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SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield Oct 13 2010 08:56 AM

We welcome our second Melo. May he work out as well as the first. I can't stand this dead period between the end of the Mets' season and the beginning of Syracuse basketball.

Fman99 Oct 13 2010 10:01 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Hey, CF, ever consider being a fan of pro (or college) football? Solid autumn sports watching to get you to basketball season. Mets baseball -> Jets football -> SU basketball. Rinse, repeat. No break.

Centerfield Oct 13 2010 11:31 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Well, I like Syracuse football. But we haven't had much to cheer for in more than ten years and my interest has waned. I used to watch the NFL, but with the kids it's hard to watch on Sunday afternoons.

Methead Oct 13 2010 05:04 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Cuse football might actually start becoming fun to watch again. The South Florida win wasn't the most beautifully played game (by either side) but SU controlled the agenda for the most part. Looking forward to another basketball season too. Two 7-footers on the roster!

batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2010 05:54 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Two 7-footers on the roster! Doubtful

Methead Oct 13 2010 07:12 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ouch. Hadn't heard that.

Centerfield Oct 19 2010 07:44 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Identify the SU players, past, present and future. At least one guy (who is identified) is someone I've never heard of. One other guy couldn't even be identified by the reporters/photogs.

Methead Oct 21 2010 05:39 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ranked #13 in the preseason poll.

soupcan Oct 22 2010 07:30 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Identify the SU players, past, present and future. At least one guy (who is identified) is someone I've never heard of. One other guy couldn't even be identified by the reporters/photogs. Left to right: Gerry McNamara, don't know (Andre Hawkins maybe?), Dave Bing, don't know, Derrick Coleman, Boeheim, don't know, Lawrence Moten, Arinze Onuaku, Jason Hart?, Adrian Autry?, don't know, Jonny Flynn?, Pearl Washington.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 22 2010 07:46 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Identify the SU players, past, present and future. At least one guy (who is identified) is someone I've never heard of. One other guy couldn't even be identified by the reporters/photogs. Left to right: Gerry McNamara, don't know (Andre Hawkins maybe?), Dave Bing, don't know, Derrick Coleman, Boeheim, don't know, Lawrence Moten, Arinze Onuaku, Jason Hart?, Adrian Autry?, don't know, Jonny Flynn?, Pearl Washington. I'm guessing that you should've gotten two more: Rafael Addison (big guy on the left) and Howard Triche (argyle vest) were there when you were there.

soupcan Oct 22 2010 08:07 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Addison was one of my favorite players but he was a skinny malink when he played. The excess poundage threw me off. Now that I look though, I can see that its him. Also, as you can see from this picture of him in his SU days, he has a big lower lip. In CF's picture, he seems to be biting it and as a result its sort of hidden. Had it been hanging out there, I might have recognized him... Triche looks pretty good for a mid-40's guy. Looks way cooler now than he did then. As with Addison, Triche had a defining physical feature - a cheesy moustache. Good for him he abandoned that look.

Centerfield Oct 22 2010 09:25 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Identify the SU players, past, present and future. At least one guy (who is identified) is someone I've never heard of. One other guy couldn't even be identified by the reporters/photogs. Left to right: Gerry McNamara, don't know (Andre Hawkins maybe?), Dave Bing, don't know, Derrick Coleman, Boeheim, don't know, Lawrence Moten, Arinze Onuaku, Jason Hart?, Adrian Autry?, don't know, Jonny Flynn?, Pearl Washington. I'm guessing that you should've gotten two more: Rafael Addison (big guy on the left) and Howard Triche (argyle vest) were there when you were there. Addison is correct. Still missing: 1. Argyle vest is not Triche, but it's someone an SU fan should know. 2. The guy between Onuaku and Argyle is not Jason Hart. He is a current player. You should get this. Also missing: 3. the guy between Bing and Coleman (difficult, but possible I guess). 4. The guy between Boeheim and Moten (impossible. Clue: He's a current player) 5. Big guy in orange 3 from the right. 6. Guy next to Pearl (Not even the photographer knew who this was).

soupcan Oct 22 2010 10:18 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield wrote: 2. The guy between Onuaku and Argyle is not Jason Hart. He is a current player. You should get this. Doh! Kris Joseph.

soupcan Oct 22 2010 10:23 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I can't place any of the others. Not Triche looks familiar but I'm not getting anything.

Centerfield Oct 22 2010 11:16 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I'll wait for Methead to check in before giving any more clues.

Farmer Ted Oct 22 2010 01:40 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I take it we're NOT calling this the Orange Sucks thread or some shat?

Methead Oct 23 2010 01:28 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield wrote: I'll wait for Methead to check in before giving any more clues. Argyle: That's not Lazarus Sims is it? He looks really familiar. Big guy in orange: new guy Fab Melo?

soupcan Oct 23 2010 06:34 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yes - Sims! It's gotta be him. Nice job 'Head.

Methead Oct 23 2010 06:40 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Big win for the football team today as well. They may be approaching "others receiving votes" status!

soupcan Oct 26 2010 08:22 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

...They may be approaching "others receiving votes" status! Correct! First, the Orange beats West Virginia; then, it gets Top 25 votes. There is just one word for that: Wow Published: Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:38 AM Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:56 AM Bud Poliquin / The Post-Standard Syracuse, N.Y. -- That remarkable development on Saturday in Morgantown was followed by another one across College Football America on Sunday . . . and you can determine which was more stunning. Saturday? The Syracuse University Orange upset No. 20 West Virginia, a two-touchdown favorite that was playing in a stadium in which it had gone 17-1 under its coach, Bill Stewart. Sunday? Certain voters in both the Associated Press and USA Today/Coaches polls cast their ballots for the Orange, which is rated 29th in the one and 35th in the other. Remember, SU is the program that came into this season with a 30-65 record dating back to the end of the 2001 campaign and with losses during that stretch to the sorry likes of Temple and Akron and Miami of Ohio. And now it is 5-2, and the people who mold the rankings that shape the sport think it’s better than Florida and Texas. This isn’t caterpillar-into-butterfly stuff. This is a sparrow-into-hawk, eel-into-whale, mole-into-moose. At least in the here and now. And so, do we dare? With five games left on the schedule against clubs that suddenly appear beatable -- Cincinnati (3-4), Louisville (4-3), Rutgers (4-3), Connecticut (3-4) and Boston College (2-5) -- how crazy is it to imagine a final regular-season record that looks like 10-2 or 9-3 or 8-4? How ridiculous is it to envision a bowl berth, and a good one? How mad is it to forecast a final ranking in the Top 25? Now, sure. Any such contemplating means we’re getting waaay ahead of ourselves. As the Orange is still as thin as an old sock, even the slightest run of injuries could be disastrous. And, of course, SU is not nearly good enough to believe there is any major separation between it and the Bearcats, Cardinals, Scarlet Knights, Huskies and Eagles. But still . . . we smile. And why not? After eight years of football gloom around here, why not a pinch of football sunshine? Why not dream a little bit? Why not delight in watching the breaks finally fall the Orange’s way? The biggest of those breaks, certainly, was the hiring of Doug Marrone, who came from behind to land the job as the Syracuse head coach. Lane Kiffin . . . Randy Edsall . . . Skip Holtz. Each of those (and perhaps another guy or two) would have been hired ahead of Marrone if certain folks had had their way. Indeed, in some Syracuse circles -- including those that count -- Marrone was considered the consolation prize in the coaching pursuit. And now look at him. Look at this proud old lineman who used to block for Dick MacPherson's bunch once upon a time. On this day, how many coaches in America have had the profound effect on their programs as Doug has had on his? That he is 9-10 (and could actually be 11-8) -- and doing so, largely with inherited players, left over from the Greg Robinson Regime, who had been deemed unworthy by so many evaluators -- borders on the sporting miraculous. You know, in those eight years between 2002-’09 (or since Dwight Freeney made last tackle for the Orange) SU was a cumulative 20-42 in its games leading up to Halloween. And only once, in all that time, did Syracuse greet Halloween with a winning record -- 4-3 in 2003. The other numbers? In order, they were 2-6 and 4-4 and 1-7 and 3-6 and 2-6 and 1-6 and 3-4. But lookee here. This Halloween could be saluted by the Orange at 6-2 . . . which would be remarkable . . . which would be stunning . . . which would be, simply, in keeping with the developments of this past Saturday (a win in West Virginia) and Sunday (placement on the fringes of the Top 25 polls). As such, we are left to ponder the words of Captain Jack Sparrow, who once stared at the sea and said, “Now . . . bring me that horizon.” Well, first, the Bearcats. But you get the drift.

Centerfield Oct 26 2010 08:44 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Still missing: 1. Argyle vest is not Triche, but it's someone an SU fan should know. Yup. Sims. 2. The guy between Onuaku and Argyle is not Jason Hart. He is a current player. You should get this. Yup Joseph. 3. the guy between Bing and Coleman (difficult, but possible I guess). Dale Shackleford. 4. The guy between Boeheim and Moten. Matt Lyde-Cajuste. Yeah, exactly. 5. Big guy in orange 3 from the right. Yup. Fab Melo. 6. Guy next to Pearl (Not even the photographer knew who this was). Now they've identified him as Dion Waiters. Frosh this year.

Methead Oct 29 2010 08:06 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

So apparently they're #10 in the preseason poll.

soupcan Oct 29 2010 09:46 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Where'd you see #10?

Methead Oct 29 2010 10:24 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

New AP poll that came out recently. [url]http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Methead Oct 30 2010 01:44 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Maybe the Big East really sucks beyond belief, if SU can be 6-2 and only one win away from bowl eligibility. This guy right here is not complaining. It's fun to watch.

soupcan Oct 30 2010 07:43 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Not complaining here either. I was actually able to watch the entire SU - Cincinnati game today and enjoyed every minute of that 31-7 win. Wonder if they might even get into the top 25 this week.

Methead Oct 30 2010 10:12 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Wonder if they might even get into the top 25 this week. I think they'll be close. The defense looks fantastic! Kind of like the type of defense I expected when good ol' defensive guru Greg Robinson got hired.

Rockin' Doc Oct 31 2010 07:16 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

The Syracuse football team appears to be immensely improved from recent years. Good timing for the Orange, as the Big East Conference is pretty mediocre as a whole and weaker than usual this season. Syracuse controls their own destiny and has a good shot at taking the Big East title and securing a BCS bid. Meanwhile, the football landscape looks pretty bleak in the ACC also. Florida State and Virginia Tech is the only teams of note in the conference and they are far from being amid the elite teams in the nation. This is setting up to be the year that teams such as Boise State, TCU, or Utah finally get a legitimate shot at a BCS title game. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the next month. How did all this football talk in get into the Syracuse basketball thread? This probably belongs in the Freakin' Rutgers thread, but I just followed the winding path of discussion that led here.

soupcan Oct 31 2010 08:51 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I believe that #24, #25, & #22 all lost yesterday so I think the Orange may have a shot at breaking through. Amazing when you realize hoe bad they were under Robinson just 2 years ago. Robinson meanwhile is inflicting his defensive genius on Michigan these days and proving that his record at SU was no fluke. I'm glad that the ACC is down because 'Cuse has Boston College on the schedule this year and I (like any Big East fan worth their salt) would LOVE to see the comeback season include a victory over the traitorous Eagles.

Methead Oct 31 2010 12:48 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

22 votes this week, compared to 8 last week. I guess that makes them sort of the #27 team in the country which sounds completely absurd.

Rockin' Doc Oct 31 2010 02:34 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: I'm glad that the ACC is down because 'Cuse has Boston College on the schedule this year and I (like any Big East fan worth their salt) would LOVE to see the comeback season include a victory over the traitorous Eagles. I don't personally have anything against Boston College, but I would just as soon they were in the Big East. It doesn't make sense, from a geographic standpoint, for them to be in the ACC. Miami and Virginia Tech were good fits for the conference, but I wish the two conferences could work a trade of Boston College for South Florida. I know there are numerous factors (other than geography) that go into the conference affiliations, but it never made sense for the ACC to take in BC. I know the real reason for the ACC's expansion was to reach the magic 12 teams the NCAA requires for conference championship games and the money that comes with them. Boston College also brought a large TV market and expanded the ACC north of the Mason Dixon Line, but it just never made much sense to me. South Florida, West Virginia, or even South Carolina would have made more sense to me. Unfortunately, conference alliances are constantly shifting as schools look for the most financially lucrative and advantageous situation for their respective university.

Methead Nov 02 2010 03:09 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

As for hoops, SU plays an exhibition game tonight. I kinda hope they lose it.

Methead Nov 02 2010 05:03 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Holy crap it's on SNY right now!

Centerfield Nov 03 2010 07:51 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Fab Melo has some teeth.

Methead Nov 03 2010 10:28 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Guy can play though. He didn't look like a freshman on the court last night.

metirish Nov 03 2010 10:29 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Saw some highlights on TV....they have a kid 7'1"......and he looks mobile......

Centerfield Nov 03 2010 10:38 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Guy can play though. He didn't look like a freshman on the court last night. How did they look 'head? I missed the game.

Methead Nov 03 2010 11:14 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

metirish wrote: Saw some highlights on TV....they have a kid 7'1"......and he looks mobile...... Yeah, that's the guy. As I was watching I'd see somebody make a great play, like a spin move reverse layup, and it would turn out to be him. At one point he stole a pass at mid-court, and drove it all the way to the rim for an easy two. He'll be a force in the middle for sure. And he can shoot free throws which is nice to see from a Cuse big man. Should be interesting to see how he handles tougher competition. The rest of the freshmen looked pretty good as well, CJ Fair in particular. Scoop and Triche will be fine. Rick Jackson is a big guy but he looks skinnier than he did last year. Still dominant inside, at least last night he was. Looks like it's all systems go for the Orange.

soupcan Nov 03 2010 11:22 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

The one stat I saw that jumped out at me was that the team went 13-13 from the line. Now that's smething that would make George Costanza proud.

soupcan Nov 05 2010 03:04 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I know this is the hoops thread but seeing as the football team is doing so well, let's make it all things SU sports for now. With that in mind, as I watching the SU-Cincinnati game last Saturday I noticed a player on SU with the name 'Marinovich' on his jersey. I wondered if there were any relation to forner USC and NFL QB Todd and his crazy dad Marv. I didn't figure as Todd is in his 40's by now but then I came across this today: Thursday, November 4, 2010 Syracuse's Marinovich making own name By Brian Bennett Despite being a two-year starter at defensive end for one of the Big East's best defenses, Syracuse's Mikhail Marinovich operates in relative obscurity. That's pretty amazing given his last name and family history. And that's a major reason why Marinovich came to Syracuse, which is about as far away as you can get from his Southern California home and still play major college football. "At home, I'm recognized a lot but sometimes not for the best reasons," he said. "So it was good to come out here and really make a name for myself." Mikhail Marinovich is becoming better known for his play on the field than for his famous family. His surname carries some seriously negative connotations. His father is Marv Marinovich, one of the NFL's first strength coaches who became infamous for trying to engineer the perfect quarterback with his first son -- and Mikhail's half-brother -- Todd Marinovich. Marv studied Eastern Bloc training methods and went to disturbing lengths to control every aspect of Todd's life. He forbade his son to eat any junk food, sugar or processed dairy products, began stretching Todd's hamstrings at age 1 and hired a battery of coaches to work on his every physical skill. Sports Illustrated dubbed Todd "the first test-tube athlete." Todd starred at quarterback at USC and was drafted in the first round by the Oakland Raiders, but he eventually rebelled from his strict upbringing and struggled with drug addiction for nearly 20 years. He's become a cautionary tale, and Marv has been labeled one of the worst sports parents of all time. Mikhail is 18 years younger than Todd but saw what his sibling went through. As with Todd, Marv was very restrictive with Mikhail's diet and showed no mercy as Mikhail practiced for hours at Little League sports. Mikhail Marinovich is becoming better known for his play on the field than for his famous family. "Some things were great, while other things weren't as much," Mikhail says. "He tried his best to get me the tools I need to succeed, and I am grateful for that. He lightened up on me a little. It wasn't as bad as Todd." Still, Mikhail decided that wasn't the life he wanted, and his rebellion came earlier. He left his dad's house when he was young and ended up moving in with the family of some friends in Orange County for most of his high school career. "He had no place to go, and he needed a place to stay while he and his father worked some things out," said Marc Spizzirri, a classic car dealer whose kids knew Mikhail from a local gym. "What was going to be a couple of months turned out to be four years." Marinovich needed some guidance. Spizzirri's wife worked with him every night at the kitchen table to help boost his grades. Spizzirri says the 6-foot-5 Marinovich was a "man among boys" whenever he played a sport, but no football, basketball or track and field season ever went by when he didn't earn at least one lengthy suspension. He had trouble respecting authority, and his family legacy hounded him. "Because of his last name, people wanted to see him fail," Spizzirri said. "He had to overcome coaches, other kids and parents yelling things at him. He got into a couple of fights on the basketball court because of his name. Even referees used to give him a hard time. He just couldn't catch a break." Marinovich was a standout wide receiver and linebacker who turned heads at both USC and UCLA camps. But because he didn't play enough in high school to create much game film, he went to prep school. That's how he ended up on the East Coast at Milford Academy in New York, which led him to Syracuse. His career with the Orange didn't start off so smoothly. As a freshman, he was arrested for breaking into an equipment room at Manley Field House. He also opened a hookah lounge off campus with kicker Nico Rechul. They sold the place after a wave of bad publicity and disapproval from their coaches followed. "People always talk about starting their own business, so we thought, 'You know what, why not?'" he said. "It's something I can put on my résumé. It was a good experience; it just didn't come at the right time." Lately and luckily, Marinovich has become known mostly for his play on the field. He has started every game since the beginning of 2009 and has helped form a solid pass rush along with counterpart defensive end Chandler Jones. Syracuse, which is looking for its seventh win Saturday against Louisville, has the second-stingiest defense in the Big East. Marinovich had never played end before he went to Milford. "There they just told me to run to the quarterback, and I didn't have any idea what I was doing," said the junior, who has 17 tackles and 1.5 sacks this season. "I've really molded my game here and have focused a lot in the past year on my technique." Because of the distance, Mikhail said he doesn't see his family very often. But he tries to keep in regular contact with Todd, who is now sober and working as both an artist and football instructor back in Southern California. "Most of what we talk about isn't about football," Mikhail said. "I learned a lot by seeing what happened to him and what drugs can do to somebody. But it teaches me that if you really want to succeed and do the work, anything's possible." Todd was derisively called "Robo QB" because of his upbringing, but no one would accuse Mikhail of being robotic. Besides his brief hookah lounge enterprise, he's also done some modeling. He was introduced into that by his high school sweetheart, Courtney, whom he married two weeks before fall camp started this summer. He comes across as a bright, funny and colorful guy with many outside interests -- "I don't like to live things dull," he says. "He's now become a very responsible person with outstanding character," Spizzirri said. "If you would have asked me if that was possible seven or eight years ago, I would have said the odds were strongly against that." The odds of a Marinovich going across the country to play football and not causing a media storm must have seemed pretty low, too. But Mikhail Marinovich is adding a new chapter to his family's story.

Methead Nov 05 2010 03:56 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

SU / Louisville game is on SNY tomorrow at noon.

Methead Nov 09 2010 05:26 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

SU / Lemoyne hoops on SNY at the moment. I almost forgot.

Fman99 Nov 12 2010 07:31 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Convincing win over Northern Iowa, who went to the sweet 16 last year. Not aired locally so I watched on ESPN3.com. Better than nothing.

soupcan Nov 12 2010 07:38 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Northern Iowa had that Iranian kid that shot 3s all over the place last year, right? Is he still there or did he graduate?

Methead Nov 12 2010 10:21 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

It's funny that the two meaningless exhibition games were on SNY, but as soon as the games count, they leave me hanging. I dunno if Northern Iowa's shooter is still there, but Cuse is loaded with them. Both starting the game or coming off the bench. And I may be dreaming, but it seems like Boeheim plans on using all of them. Keeping Melo out of foul trouble will be important as time goes on, but I bet he learns quickly.

seawolf17 Nov 13 2010 05:28 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: It's funny that the two meaningless exhibition games were on SNY, but as soon as the games count, they leave me hanging. Because SNY was too attracted to the lure of the Seawolves last night, kicking off our season at UConn. I really thought we had a shot, but we got into foul trouble early and then they just killed us on the boards all night. I don't think we got a single rebound in the second half.

Fman99 Nov 13 2010 06:47 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Northern Iowa had that Iranian kid that shot 3s all over the place last year, right? Is he still there or did he graduate? No, he's gone.

soupcan Nov 13 2010 07:34 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

seawolf17 wrote: Methead wrote: It's funny that the two meaningless exhibition games were on SNY, but as soon as the games count, they leave me hanging. Because SNY was too attracted to the lure of the Seawolves last night, kicking off our season at UConn. I really thought we had a shot, but we got into foul trouble early and then they just killed us on the boards all night. I don't think we got a single rebound in the second half. I watched some of that game last night (and of course was thinking of Wolfie as I watched). I think what happens in those games is that the underdog gets taken out of their game plans so early because they think they have to do different things to beat the elite teams. By the time they realize that they are better off just playing their game, it's too late. They're either in foul trouble, too far behind or both. I didn't think Stony Brook looked half bad.

soupcan Nov 13 2010 07:36 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: It's funny that the two meaningless exhibition games were on SNY, but as soon as the games count, they leave me hanging. Tomorrow's game against Canisius on TV down our way 'Head?

Methead Nov 13 2010 08:15 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Looks like it's on ESPNU, which is channel 144 on my cable box. I don't think I'm a subscriber to that package though. Today's football game against Rutgers is on ESPNU as well... I'm planning to try streaming it here - http://atdhe.net/index.html - there may be an extra plugin you have to install but it's freakin' worth it. If the football game is on that site, then I assume the Canisius game tomorrow will be too. In other news, Sacred Heart and Fairfield are playing at 4:00 today, right down the road from me.

soupcan Nov 13 2010 08:49 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I got Staples H.S. Against Trumbull here in Westport at 1:00 which my son may or may not want me to take him to. I wouldn't mind checking that game out. Staples is a monster again this year and their QB got hurt so they've been starting a freshman the last few games without missing a beat. But we digress...supposedly Joseph lit up the Dome in the second half last night.

Methead Nov 13 2010 09:30 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Beautiful day for a football game. I went to a few Staples games back when my brother-in-law played for them... must have been 1999 or 2000. Almost won the state championship that season. The QB from that team ended up with a scholarship to Temple, and I know a few other kids went on to play in college too. Joseph put up 13 points in the 2nd half last night. edit - It was 1997... wow. Doesn't seem like that long ago.

seawolf17 Nov 13 2010 05:53 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Methead wrote: It's funny that the two meaningless exhibition games were on SNY, but as soon as the games count, they leave me hanging. Because SNY was too attracted to the lure of the Seawolves last night, kicking off our season at UConn. I really thought we had a shot, but we got into foul trouble early and then they just killed us on the boards all night. I don't think we got a single rebound in the second half. I watched some of that game last night (and of course was thinking of Wolfie as I watched). I think what happens in those games is that the underdog gets taken out of their game plans so early because they think they have to do different things to beat the elite teams. By the time they realize that they are better off just playing their game, it's too late. They're either in foul trouble, too far behind or both. I didn't think Stony Brook looked half bad. I thought we were okay; this team is actually very good. We graduated the America East player of the year, but other than that, everyone's back, and we replaced him with two very good (albeit raw) freshmen. Tommy Brenton, our leading rebounder, went down with a knee this fall, though, and that was painfully obvious last night. Our big guys need to play bigger until he (hopefully) finds his way back.

Methead Nov 13 2010 05:55 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

CUSE = eligible for a bowl game. Wasn't the prettiest win, but it still counts. And I don't care what bowl it is, it's better than none. Pretty crazy to think, if SU somehow wins the conference that they'd be playing in a BCS game.

Ashie62 Nov 14 2010 06:18 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: CUSE = eligible for a bowl game. Wasn't the prettiest win, but it still counts. And I don't care what bowl it is, it's better than none. Pretty crazy to think, if SU somehow wins the conference that they'd be playing in a BCS game. Marrone is a lock for Big East coach of the year. Road wins are always pretty.

Methead Nov 14 2010 01:16 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Hey, apparently I do get ESPNU! Not sure I ever had it before, but I'm glad the game is on.

soupcan Nov 14 2010 08:24 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And a 19 point win over Canisius brings the mighty Orange to 2-0 on the young season. Liked what I saw from Scoop but boy this team is young this year. Tuesday against Detroit at 7:00 on ESPNU I think.

Methead Nov 15 2010 08:51 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Liked what I saw from Scoop but boy this team is young this year. Definitely. But these young guys look really talented, and it seems like each game showcases a different one playing well. Melo needs to figure out how to stay on the floor though.

Centerfield Nov 15 2010 10:41 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Classic Boeheim: “We need to get realistic,’’ Boeheim said. “Right now, we’re the most overrated team that I’ve ever had. Right now. And I’m a little shocked that everybody’s bought into this whole thing. We’ve got a long ways to go. We are not a good basketball team.’’

soupcan Nov 17 2010 07:33 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

The Orange take a while to get going (trailing 25-28 at the half) but ultimately take the air out of Detroit's tires (see what I did there?) and win it by a score of 66-55. Sitting at 3-0 on the young season. Jardine with a career high 27 points and Rick Jackson pulls down 22 rebounds. Next game against William & Mary (is that Willet's alma mater?) on Sunday 11/21, 2:00pm. I believe that game willl be on SNY.

Fman99 Nov 17 2010 09:37 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Once again, the game aired only online and not on any channel, even for the locals. I missed it as I didn't feel like sitting in my office for two hours (plus I was watching obese people cry on "The Biggest Loser," a guilty pleasure of mine). SNY lists "COLLEGE BASKETBALL" at that Sunday date/time, without specifying the teams.

soupcan Nov 17 2010 11:04 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And by the way - Facebook informs me that Coach Boeheim was born on the same day and year as Tom Seaver. Happy 66th Coach.

soupcan Nov 19 2010 09:36 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Took this from another board - the SNY schedule as it pertains to Syracuse basketball: 11/21 2:00 PM William and Mary at Syracuse Nov. 21 - 5 p.m. 11/30 7:00 PM Cornell at Syracuse Dec. 1 - 1 p.m. 12/11 7:00 PM Colgate at Syracuse Live 12/18 7:00 PM Iona at Syracuse Live 12/20 7:00 PM Morgan State at Syracuse Live 12/22 7:00 PM Drexel at Syracuse Dec. 23 - 1 p.m. 1/8 12:00 PM Syracuse at Seton Hall Live 1/15 12:00 PM Cincinnati at Syracuse Live 1/22 2:00 PM Syracuse at Marquette Live - Womens Game 1/25 7:00 PM Seton Hall at Syracuse Live 2/5 2:00 PM Syracuse at USF Live 3/5 4:00 PM DePaul at Syracuse Live

soupcan Nov 22 2010 07:51 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Survives a big time scare against William & Mary - 62-60. And the only reason they won is because W&M imploded a little in the last minute. That was a tough game to watch, I've got no thumbnail left on my right hand. So far I'm not hugely thrilled with this year's edition of the Orange. I wouldn't say that I'm concerned, just a little disappointed maybe. I thought this team would be much better defensively and that scoring would not be a problem. Both Fab Melo and Kris Joseph, playing far beneath expectations have (so far) crushed that dream. I don't see Melo improving significantly over the short term but I think Kris can (and will) step it up. If Keita can continue to perform like he has and Melo can at least get a bit of a clue then they should improve as the season progresses. Everybody else seems to be giving what was expected of them at this point. I'm just a little bummed because I'm going to the game against Michigan State at MSG and I'd prefer they not be blown out of the building. Unfortunately, that looks like what's going to happen unless Coach gets this turned around quickly,

Centerfield Nov 22 2010 08:41 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Melo looks completely lost. Gotta start Waiters I think.

Methead Nov 22 2010 03:01 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I think the team will come together at some point, but yeah, it better be quick. I haven't seen Michigan State play this year, but it doesn't seem possible that SU could be anywhere near their league. Melo has disappointed thus far, but I think he should just focus on altering / blocking shots and just trying to stay out of foul trouble. I know it's not that simple, but he was the #1 rated center in the class if I'm not mistaken... and the Cuse staff has had a pretty good track record developing big men. [url]http://www.nbadraft.net/players/fab-melo

Methead Nov 25 2010 07:45 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Fun! [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-5PH70VVGo

Centerfield Nov 29 2010 11:45 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And after squeaking out a couple of very tight wins against teams with RPI's in the triple digits, Syracuse moves up to #8 in the rankings. Of course.

soupcan Nov 29 2010 12:59 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Beat me to it... AP Top 25 1 Duke (65) 6-0 2 Ohio State 5-0 3 Pittsburgh 7-0 4 Kansas 6-0 5 Kansas State 5-1 6 Michigan State 5-1 7 Connecticut 5-0 8 Syracuse 6-0 9 Missouri 5-0 10 Kentucky 4-1 11 Baylor 4-0 12 Villanova 5-1 13 Tennessee 5-0 14 Memphis 5-0 15 Minnesota 6-0 16 Georgetown 6-0 17 San Diego State 6-0 18 Florida 5-1 19 Texas 5-1 20 Illinois 6-1 21 Brigham Young 6-0 22 Purdue 5-1 23 Washington 3-2 24 UNLV 6-0 25 Notre Dame 7-0 ESPN/USA Today Coaches Poll 1 Duke (31) 6-0 2 Ohio State 5-0 3 Pittsburgh 7-0 4 Kansas 6-0 5 Kansas State 5-1 6 Michigan State 5-1 7 Syracuse 6-0 8 Missouri 5-0 9 Connecticut 5-0 10 Baylor 4-0 11 Kentucky 4-1 12 Villanova 5-1 13 Minnesota 6-0 14 Georgetown 6-0 15 Memphis 5-0 16 Florida 5-1 17 Tennessee 5-0 18 Purdue 5-1 19 San Diego State 6-0 20 Texas 5-1 21 Illinois 6-1 22 Washington 3-2 23 UNLV 6-0 24 Gonzaga 3-2 25 Brigham Young 6-0

Methead Nov 29 2010 01:11 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Lucky to escape with those wins. Doesn't look like Melo is gonna get a chance play much the rest of the year. Honestly, I thought he looked pretty good the first couple games... other than the foul trouble. But he obviously hasn't done anything useful at all since then. And next year is another big center coming in, and Riley coming back. Nice problem to have, I guess.

soupcan Dec 01 2010 07:04 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

'Rick Jackson pours in 17 points, 13 boards as Orange roll.' Ho-hum, 33 in a row over Cornell. More inportantly - Fab Melo - 8 pts, 4 blocks, 7 rebounds. 7-0 heading into MSG against Michigan State on Tuesday.

Methead Dec 01 2010 07:26 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: More inportantly - Fab Melo - 8 pts, 4 blocks, 7 rebounds. Yep. Immediately after I say he'll be riding the pine the rest of the season. Jackson is averaging a double-double so far, I'm pretty sure. He looks great. I dunno if you saw the game last night but he also grabbed a rebound and immediately threw a beautiful 30-foot bounce pass that led to a CJ Fair dunk. It was sweet. Waiters had a great game too. The guy that needs to get going now is Triche. I think he should start growing a mustache right NOW!!!!!!

Methead Dec 01 2010 02:14 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

It was farther than 30 feet, and it wasn't a rebound, but still a nice highlight. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_tHeXrIpPI Awful free throw though.

soupcan Dec 01 2010 05:45 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: It was farther than 30 feet, and it wasn't a rebound, but still a nice highlight. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_tHeXrIpPI Awful free throw though. I didn't see the game so thank you for that sir. Best part was the guys laughing at Fair's brick of a free throw (it was Fair right?).

Fman99 Dec 04 2010 06:16 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Missed most of this game as I mistakenly thought it was a 7 PM tip and not a 5:15. Got to watch the last 8 minutes or so. Still not putting all of the pieces together, for all of the talent on this roster I have NO CLUE how good these guys are. Tuesday's 9 PM throwdown with #6 Michigan State will be a good one, I hope.

Methead Dec 04 2010 10:57 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Fman99 wrote: Tuesday's 9 PM throwdown with #6 Michigan State will be a good one, I hope. I hope so too, but they better not play like they played tonight and expect to get a lucky win.

soupcan Dec 06 2010 10:03 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I just got reamed out on an SU hoops board because I lectured someone about starting a 'doom & gloom' thread. They....they called me a 'Yankee fan'.

themetfairy Dec 06 2010 01:21 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: I just got reamed out on an SU hoops board because I lectured someone about starting a 'doom & gloom' thread. They....they called me a 'Yankee fan'. The Bastages!

Fman99 Dec 07 2010 08:51 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Wow, those vuvuzela horns are annoying as fuck.

soupcan Dec 08 2010 07:21 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

"Our guys inside weren't covering anybody and that's solely on me. If the team doesn't play hard enough and is tough enough that's the coach's fault and we'll fix that. I feel like the New York Jets." "The aggressive team usually gets the advantage," Izzo said, "but we were taking it like a sissy and they took it up like men." "It's been a long time since we were manhandled like this. To be honest with you, it's been a long time." -Michigan State coach Tom Izzo after getting a beat-down last night at MSG by Rick Jackson and the Syracuse Orange Awesome game. Was there and not expecting Syracuse to even compete with State much less win by 14 points. Defense, defense, defense!

batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2010 07:28 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I watched the game on TV last night and thought to myself after just the first minute of play that it was a very winnable game for SU. SU's height advantage and potential to thoroughly dominate MSU on the inside was immediately apparent to me. That was Rick Jackson's best game. Ever. Right?

soupcan Dec 08 2010 07:31 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

It was his season-high in points (17) and he grabbed 16 boards. He's had more rebounds in games before but I don't know if he's had a better double-double.

Methead Dec 08 2010 07:59 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Awesome game. Was there and not expecting Syracuse to even compete with State much less win by 14 points. Defense, defense, defense! Yeah, same here. The defense was out there flying all over the place. They didn't shoot all that great, but it was nice to see them getting the ball inside.

Centerfield Dec 08 2010 09:07 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Rick Jackson was amazing. Amazing defense. Wish they could shoot even a little though. Why not give Mookie Jones a look?

Centerfield Dec 08 2010 09:10 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 08 2010 03:38 PM

I was five and had no idea who he was. Every memory I have of John Lennon is after his death. It was only a few years later that I connected him to that band that my father listens to. On Edit: I'm pretty sure I meant for this to be in the Lennon thread.

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2010 10:18 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: I just got reamed out on an SU hoops board because I lectured someone about starting a 'doom & gloom' thread. They....they called me a 'Yankee fan'. Y'know, if you're starting 'doom & gloom' threads about a team that's 9-0 (for the third year in a row from what I heard) and is ranked in the top 10 you probably deserve to be called a Yankee fan.

soupcan Dec 08 2010 05:07 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 09 2010 08:14 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: soupcan wrote: I just got reamed out on an SU hoops board because I lectured someone about starting a 'doom & gloom' thread. They....they called me a 'Yankee fan'. Y'know, if you're starting 'doom & gloom' threads about a team that's 9-0 (for the third year in a row from what I heard) and is ranked in the top 10 you probably deserve to be called a Yankee fan. No, no, no, I wasn't the one who started the thread. I was telling the guy that did, exactly what you said - how can you start a thread like this for a 8-0 team that's ranked 7 in the country. They told me I must be a Yankee fan because I don't revel in suffering or some such nonsense. You know Syracuse did lose more than a few heartbreakers in the 80's and maybe a few more in the '90's but for at least the last 10 years, this team has consistently won big games in big spots, so anyone saying that an SU hoops fan is akin to a Red Sox fan pre 2004 (which is what the guy basically said) is being more than just a little ridiculous.

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2010 07:04 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

No, no, no, I wasn't the one who started the thread. I was telling the guy that did, exactly what you said - how can you start a thread like this for a 8-0 team that's ranked 7 in the country. They told me I must be a Yankee fan because I don't revel in suffering or some such nonsense. Yeah, I mis-read that. One danger of rooting for a big-time college sport is that fans get so used to the competition being unbalanced that they come to expect eternal success and so cries of 'THE SKY IS FALLING' as a reaction to the team winning only 85% of its games, or even winning games but not in a dominant enough fashion, become par for the course. So tell them that THEY are the ones who sound like Yanqui fans!! ... ]Oh no, we just swept Kansas City but trailed in 4 of the 27 innings ... if Cashman doesn't leave town with Greinke in pinstripes he should just stay there!!!!

soupcan Dec 10 2010 09:11 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

December 8, 2010 Former N.B.A. Center Plays to a Different Crowd By JOHN BRANCH Rony Seikaly, 45, at the controls at LIV in Miami Beach earlier this month. He has played at clubs from Las Vegas to New York to Ibiza, Spain. Video of Rony in action at da club here MIAMI BEACH — When Rony Seikaly was a young teenager in Athens, long before he grew into a 6-foot-11 all-American basketball player at Syracuse and a productive N.B.A. center, he built a small disco at home. “I took a garage and turned it into my own little club,” said Seikaly, now 45. “I would save up money and I bought the record player, then a second record player, then a mixer. I built the whole disco myself, all the electricity, and I built all these kinds of colored lights and colored bulbs, and I’d make, like, a light show. I did that all myself.” His interest in playing D.J. at the center of a party only grew, like his legs and his fame. Now Seikaly, more than a decade since his last game, has re-emerged as an up-and-coming D.J., playing a growing number of gigs at trendy clubs in places like Miami, New York, Las Vegas, Paris, and Ibiza, Spain. He is starting to record his own music, too, and released a compilation of music this year. “I’m not doing this to be a celebrity,” Seikaly said. “I’m not doing this to become famous. I’m doing this just to share the love, and to share the music.” Last Saturday night — Sunday morning, actually, at 1:25 — a huge domed nightclub called LIV was filled with a pounding beat and beautiful people. Through the thumping of a party just getting under way, a voice introduced “Mr. Rony Seikaly.” And in the D.J. booth, Seikaly went to work. There were four CD players, not two record players. There was a mixer, festooned in colored lights and covered in small dials. While a song throbbed through the club’s sound system, Seikaly listened to another in his headphones. He touched a dial, then another, then another, like a man adjusting the temperature of his bath water. He blended one song into the other, sometimes overlapping them for a minute or more, fine-tuning their beats into an electronic symphony. Seikaly, a human metronome, bobbed his long, lean frame to the beat. The building vibrated as if it had a pulse. Topless models painted in Day-Glo colors slithered on a small stage across the vast room. Laser lights and strobes shot through downdrafts of machine-made fog. Hundreds of bodies pitched and swayed, stirring the dance floor into a dark and restless sea. “I call it capturing the moment,” Seikaly had explained at his house in Miami Beach the night before. Born in Lebanon and raised largely in Greece, he has a hint of an indistinguishable accent. He explained how the night “morphs” at a club like LIV, in the Fontainebleau hotel. The first hour, he said, people get their bearings, “see who’s who, where’s where.” Loosened by drinks and music, if not the nocturnal sense that dawn is coming fast, they begin to move toward the night’s peak. “The most important thing is to capture that moment where all of a sudden everybody is in a great mood, everybody starts dancing, and all of a sudden you feel it click between you and the crowd,” Seikaly said. “And as soon as that click happens, it’s not something that anybody else can feel except that person playing the music. As soon as you feel that connection to the crowd, then you know you’ve got them. And then you can take them on any journey you want.” More than 25 years ago, Seikaly arrived in the sporting consciousness as a big, dark-haired freshman who helped Syracuse beat Georgetown and its star center, Patrick Ewing. As a junior in 1987, Seikaly led Syracuse to the national title game, which Indiana won on a late basket by Keith Smart. Seikaly’s No. 4 jersey is retired. He was the first N.B.A. draft pick of the Miami Heat, chosen ninth over all in 1988. He spent the first 6 of his 11 N.B.A. seasons with the Heat, the best coming in 1992-93, when he averaged 17.1 points and 11.8 rebounds. For his career, which took him to Golden State, Orlando and New Jersey, Seikaly averaged 14.7 points and 9.5 rebounds. And his nickname, thanks to his low-post moves, was the Spin Doctor. It had nothing to do with being a D.J. Rony Seikaly, guarding Magic Johnson, played 11 seasons in the N.B.A. Most teammates knew little about Seikaly’s love of music. If anything, they teased him for his “Euro” tastes and his penchant for disco and pop. It was part of a well-rounded musical education that included trumpet lessons as a child. Seikaly’s parents filled the house with classical music on Sundays, and Seikaly’s wide-ranging preferences in the late 1970s included Kiss, Genesis and Barry White. “Into the ’80s, believe it or not, we listened to a lot of Julio Iglesias,” Seikaly said. “More Latin, more love ballads. That was in. If your parents were cool, they’d listen to Julio Iglesias. As genres changed, I changed with it, until I found my niche, which is house music.” House music is a nebulous descendant of disco, with ever-extending derivatives. It is, generally, electronic music dominated by strong, steady percussion. Vocals, often background chants or soulful wails, rarely prompt singalongs. Adherents of house music prefer the “know-it-when-you-hear-it” definition. Those who frequent dance clubs that do not play hip-hop or dabble in standards from previous decades — no Village People here — certainly have heard it. “It’s music that you’re going to walk into a club and you’re not going to be saying, ‘Oh my God, we’ve got to get out of here,’ ” Seikaly said. “I play that music that you walk in and say: ‘O.K., I can put up with this. I may not like it, but it’s not offensive.’ ” He laughed at the sound of that. “It’s happy,” he said. “It keeps you there.” Seikaly plays and creates what he called happy underground music. As a D.J., he takes pride in uncovering little-known tracks on the Web and avoiding dance-club anthems. And his original songs are electronically built atop steady, synthesized drums. “When my mom tells me, ‘Son, your music sounds kind of all the same,’ I say, ‘That’s exactly what I thought about your classical music,’ ” Seikaly said. Seikaly, who married and had a daughter with the model Elsa Benitez (the two divorced in 2006), has invested much of his time and money into the club scene in Miami Beach. He has had ownership stakes in a number of trendy hot spots, like Mynt, Bar None and Mokai. (He has no stake, however, in LIV.) On countless nights, he and close friends would retreat to his mansion’s “playroom” — a high-tech incarnation of the home disco he built as a child. (He has another such room, in a house he built in the 1990s in Beirut, where his parents live.) The room feels like a mellow garage-size lounge, with dim lighting and a mirrored Buddha high on a shelf. The dark walls are lined with low couches. What looks like a bar holds CD players and a mixer, not drinks. The room is equipped with a hard-to-spot, club-level sound system. Friends always wanted to bring more friends. Finally, in 2008, Seikaly agreed to D.J. for an expanded audience at Mokai, which he no longer owns. “It turned out to be an amazing night,” Seikaly said. Now he keeps a steady schedule at clubs around the world. He is scheduled to play at Lavo in Manhattan on Saturday; in Marrakesh, Morocco, later this month; and back in Miami Beach on New Year’s Eve. He is focused on making his own music, too. Erick Morillo, one of the best-known house-music D.J.’s and founder of Subliminal Records, produced Seikaly’s first CD, “House Calls.” “It’s a passion,” Seikaly said of his music career. “It’s a hobby. It’s a hobby on steroids because it’s no longer a hobby. You’ve crossed a line when you’re starting to make it into a business.” The next night — morning, really — Seikaly was at work in that same D.J. booth, a 20-foot-long bar a few feet above one end of a dance floor increasingly crammed with bodies. He wore jeans and a long-sleeve T-shirt with the sleeves pushed above the elbows. His body bobbed and his fingers fondled the dials. In front of him, hundreds danced. Every once in a while, he pumped his fist to the beat and smiled. Seikaly was working the crowd again.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2010 09:33 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

(pukes)

soupcan Dec 10 2010 09:40 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: (pukes) I take it you watched the video...

Methead Dec 10 2010 03:03 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Rony should throw "Shut It Down" into the mix at some point. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQyvHRIC3e0

Methead Dec 11 2010 05:54 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Cuse leads Colgate 46 - 8 at the half. Boeheim took the starters out after something like 7 minutes. Colgate's not making any shots at all... but SU has also blocked 10 already. 8 points is the fewest 1st half points allowed in Dome history, shattering the previous record of 11.

soupcan Dec 11 2010 07:28 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

100 - 43 is your final. I felt sort of guilty watching that game. First walk-on comes in with 9:33 to play and with a full 3:00 left, there were FIVE walk-ons on the court for SU. I've never seen either of those things before.

Ashie62 Dec 11 2010 07:42 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: 100 - 43 is your final. I felt sort of guilty watching that game. First walk-on comes in with 9:33 to play and with a full 3:00 left, there were FIVE walk-ons on the court for SU. I've never seen either of those things before. Enjoy it!

Methead Dec 11 2010 08:26 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Not sure why Fab Melo only got a few minutes tonight. EVERYONE played. Dion Waiters is looking like the prize in this year's freshman class. No question.

soupcan Dec 13 2010 01:11 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Top 5.... Associated Press Top 25 1 Duke 2 Ohio State 3 Kansas 4 Connecticut 5 Syracuse 6 Kansas State 7 Tennessee 8 Pittsburgh 9 Baylor 10 Villanova 11 San Diego State 12 Illinois 13 Missouri 14 Michigan State 15 Georgetown 16 Brigham Young 17 Kentucky 18 Memphis 19 Purdue 20 Louisville 21 Minnesota 22 Texas 22 UNLV 24 Notre Dame 25 Texas A&M Coaches Poll 1 Duke 2 Ohio State 3 Kansas 4 Connecticut 5 Syracuse 6 Kansas State 7 Tennessee 8 Pittsburgh 9 Baylor 10 San Diego State 11 Villanova 12 Missouri 13 Georgetown 14 Illinois 15 Michigan State 16 Kentucky 17 Purdue 18 Brigham Young 19 Memphis 20 Minnesota 21 Louisville 22 UNLV 23 Notre Dame 24 Florida 25 Texas

Centerfield Dec 13 2010 02:00 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Not sure why Fab Melo only got a few minutes tonight. EVERYONE played. Dion Waiters is looking like the prize in this year's freshman class. No question. Sore achilles. Two of them.

Methead Dec 13 2010 08:23 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield wrote: Sore achilles. Two of them. Ah. Missed that. The women's team is now ranked #24, after knocking off (then) #6 Ohio State last week.

Fman99 Dec 13 2010 08:41 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Centerfield wrote: Sore achilles. Two of them. Ah. Missed that. The women's team is now ranked #24, after knocking off (then) #6 Ohio State last week. Call me when they lower the rims.

soupcan Dec 19 2010 06:57 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Your #5 Orange Beat Iona 83-77. Looked like world-beaters at times - never trailing in the game and leading by as much as 15 late in the 2nd half, and worm eaters at other times - getting beat routinely on the baseline and ultimately coughing up that big lead. No matter - now 11-0. Iona looks like a team to be reckoned with in the MAAC. Their monster forward Mike Glover was everywhere, doing everything. Gave Rick Jack more than he could handle. -Fab Melo - not just sore achillae, but a partially torn calf muscle as well. -C.J. Fair may miss the miss the next game or two due a twisted and swollen ankle suffered in the first half. -Dion Waiters and James Southerland with some impressive minutes.

Methead Dec 20 2010 09:14 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Waiters is growing on me, definitely. Morgan State tonight... makes me a little nervous. Game on SNY at 7:00.

soupcan Dec 20 2010 12:44 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

'Cuse remains at #5. There are 5 Big East teams in the top 10 in both polls. AP 1 Duke (64) 10-0 2 Ohio State (1) 10-0 3 Kansas 10-0 4 Connecticut 8-0 5 Syracuse 11-0 6 Pittsburgh 11-1 7 San Diego State 12-0 8 Villanova 9-1 9 Missouri 10-1 10 Georgetown 10-1 Coaches Poll 1 Duke (31) 10-0 2 Ohio State 10-0 3 Kansas 10-0 4 Connecticut 8-0 5 Syracuse 11-0 6 Pittsburgh 11-1 7 San Diego State 12-0 8 Villanova 9-1 9 Georgetown 10-1 10 Missouri 10-1

Methead Dec 20 2010 07:20 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I'm not sure what I was so worried about.

soupcan Dec 21 2010 07:46 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I know, right? They looked crazy good again last night. Southerland looks like he's got it all. Wasn't he the guy that they put in for Onuaku last year in the last games after Arinze got hurt in the B.E. tourney? And Southerland looked lost and helpless. Certainly not the same player he is now. 12-0, Drexel up next and then Providence gets to smell what the Orange are cooking.

Centerfield Dec 21 2010 07:55 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That was Dashonte Riley, who is out with some sort of injury all year. Southerland was the guy who lit it up during pre-season last year but wasn't heard from again. He's got a great shot and can jump through the roof. If Syracuse can get that kind of play from Southerland, they're in good shape. Triche looks like a different player these last few games. My ideal team would have two sharpshooters, and a monster inside. Rick Jackson looks to be that monster, and between Southerland, Waiters and Triche, it looks like there may actually be a few shooters on this team. Good to see Melo moving a little better. I hope that injury will be a non-factor by Big East time. Some encouraging minutes from Mookie Jones as well. I don't know if this was discussed here before, but it looks like Brandon Reese (little white guard) was awarded a scholarship at some point. Good for him. I learned last night, that they have a new walk on. A guy who is shorter and skinnier than Reese. Meet Nolan Hart. http://suathletics.syr.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=7862

soupcan Dec 21 2010 08:15 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Riley, right. Thanks. I'm seeing and learning more about the walk-ons this year than I ever did before - I suppose that's a good thing. Looking at Hart's bio, two things come to mind - Why doesn't a kid like that go to a school that offers him a scholarship and a starting spot? You gotta figure he got offers. And, damn, the walk-ons on the SU squad have pretty good resumes.

soupcan Dec 22 2010 07:33 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Apparently, SNY has decided that UConn-Harvard is a better game to broadcast tonight than Syracuse-Drexel. Can't seem to find the SU game listed anywhere else tonight. Booooo.

themetfairy Dec 22 2010 08:20 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Apparently, SNY has decided that UConn-Harvard is a better game to broadcast tonight than Syracuse-Drexel. I wonder whether Harvard draws in better advertisers than SNY's usual ones.

Methead Dec 22 2010 12:05 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Apparently ESPN Full Court is carrying it, which shows up as pay per view on channel 447 on Cablevision. I'm going to try streaming it online but I haven't seen a link yet. Drexel is the team that beat SU back in '06 (along with 2 other non-conference foes) and was part of the reason they got left out of the NCAA tournament despite a 21-10 record or something like that. Payback time tonight.

soupcan Dec 23 2010 09:12 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

13-0 after slaying the Drexel Dragons 93-65. Rick Jack with his 9th double-double, Kris Joseph, career high 25 pts. Bring on the Big East.

Centerfield Dec 23 2010 09:45 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That was a real quality win last night. Great effort all around. Feeling good about this team.

Methead Dec 23 2010 01:09 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yeah. Took 'em a while to get going, but it looks like they've figured out how to play together. Hopefully they stay focused on tough defense / rebounds, and generating fast breaks / points from that. It's really fun to watch this team run.

Fman99 Dec 23 2010 02:37 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

They looked great, they were on TV here locally as they are every game from here on out. One perk to living in the fucking Tundra.

soupcan Dec 27 2010 12:52 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Okay, enough time off. Time for some games guys, I'm getting antsy. In other news: Seton Hall senior Jeremy Hazell got shot the other day in a mugging attempt, will most likely miss the rest of the year (after already being out due to wrist surgery) and will probably be red-shirted and play next year.

Fman99 Dec 27 2010 05:18 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Big East sked kicks off for the 'Cuse tomorrow night with a 9 PM home tip against Providence. Being aired on "ESPNU," whatever that is.

Methead Dec 28 2010 09:08 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Cuse wins! I was home in Syracuse for a few days, but I came back to CT today. I totally should have stayed another day and gone to the game tonight. Total fail. On the plus side I completely dodged the blizzard.

Fman99 Dec 29 2010 06:56 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Cuse wins! I was home in Syracuse for a few days, but I came back to CT today. I totally should have stayed another day and gone to the game tonight. Total fail. On the plus side I completely dodged the blizzard. Yeah I was tempted too but the late tip, combined with the lack of a babysitter that meets Fwife's stringent qualifications, meant we were forced to "settle" for tall drinks and a 55" TV viewing instead.

soupcan Dec 29 2010 07:05 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I too watched from the comfort of my living room. Was frustrated with the inability to just put PC away but cannot be unhappy with the win. Joseph lightin' it up, Jardine dishin' & swishin' and Rick Jack puttin' Windex to shame.

Centerfield Dec 29 2010 11:39 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

If Syracuse is hitting their outside shots, they're going to be a real tough team to handle. Fun game to watch last night. Good to see a nice quality win over a Big East team even with Rick Jackson having a relatively quiet night. If Fab Melo can ever get going, this team will be pretty dangerous. Last night's game had a banked free throw, and a banked 3 pointer. That's not something you see often.

soupcan Jan 02 2011 01:20 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

The #15 Notre Dame squad comes into the Dome are handled nicely, 70-58, by our still undefeated (15-0) Orange squad. Look for #5 Syracuse to jump a spot in the rankings tomorrow. Jardine, Jackson & Joseph are looking sharp and the rest of the team is stepping up big time. Next game is Saturday, 1/8 against Seton Hall at The Rock in Newark. I will be in attendance for that one as well as the following game against St. John's at MSG on 1/12. Looking to go at least 17-0.

Fman99 Jan 02 2011 02:46 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

They really turned it up in the second half yesterday, they are a fun team to watch. If Southerland can develop a consistent outside shot he can earn himself minutes, after Triche/Jackson/Jardine/Joseph there is still plenty of playing time left over.

Centerfield Jan 03 2011 07:48 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Agreed about Southerland. He could end up being a big difference maker this year.

soupcan Jan 03 2011 08:18 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Just saw this at TNIAAM: "Three of the previous four Syracuse squads to go 15-0 either won a National Title or played for one."

soupcan Jan 03 2011 01:02 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

"Connecticut dropped five spots to ninth in the ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll and 3 spots to 8th in the AP poll Monday after the Huskies' first loss of the season. But Cincinnati's addition at No. 25 (24 in the AP) helped the Big East fortify its dominance in the Top 25. Duke remained atop the poll with all 31 first-place votes and also had all 65 No. 1 votes in The Associated Press' Top 25 poll. The Blue Devils (13-0) on Monday were among seven undefeated NCAA Division I teams, all of which are represented in the both polls with the appearance of the Bearcats (14-0), who entered after beating Seton Hall 70-53 at home on Friday. Duke remained the unanimous No. 1 for the sixth straight week and has been the nation's top team all nine weeks since the preseason poll was released Nov. 8. Ohio State (14-0) and Kansas (13-0) remained second and third behind Duke. Connecticut (11-1) and Cincinnati are among eight ranked Big East teams, including No. 4 Syracuse (15-0), No. 5 Pittsburgh (13-1), No. 7 Villanova (12-1), No. 13 Georgetown (12-2), No. 15 Notre Dame (12-2) and No. 23 Louisville (11-2). The Hoyas look to bounce back Monday night against St. John's (7 p.m. ET, ESPN2), having fallen four spots after a loss to Notre Dame in their Big East opener."

Fman99 Jan 05 2011 10:11 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Just bought tix for 1/25 SU v Seton Hall for Fwife, Fboy and I (Fgirl to hang out with my SIL). Fboy's first trip ever to the Dome.

soupcan Jan 09 2011 10:28 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

16-0, 3-0 after coming out on top over Seton Hall 61-56 in a battle of two teams having a bad day at the offense. SU went 17-36 at the stripe and Seton Hall was just horrendous all around. A Big East road win is a Big East road win however and I'll take it. On to St. John's and MSG on Wednesday night. Hoping the performance against Seton Hall serves to refocus the Orange offense and we see a more successful effort against the Johnnies. On a personal note: this was my first visit to The Rock and I thought it was a very nice arena. There is no question as to who the main tenant is - they might as well have painted the place red and put big horns on the roof. Don't know what they're gonna do when the Nets move to Brooklyn and they've only got one team using the place full-time. Maybe the place is already paid for and that's all they need. Honestly though - nice place. Really no reason for the Nets to go anywhere.

Methead Jan 12 2011 10:52 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yeah, let's hope they bounce back against St. John's. They won't be a pushover. The nice thing is, MSG is pretty much a home game at this point.

Methead Jan 12 2011 08:50 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: They won't be a pushover. Wrong again. Once 'Cuse started making shots, it was done.

Fman99 Jan 12 2011 08:51 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

God damn, these guys are fun to watch. Southerland hitting shots from the outside seemed to get the ball rolling, and then forget about it.

Nymr83 Jan 12 2011 09:29 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I was there tonight, the crowd was pretty tame and maybe 50/50 cuse fans at a st johns "home" game. they didnt sell tickets in the 400 sections but seem to have the rest of the place at about 90% full. there was a st johns vs, uconn women's game after it ended, i dont think more than 500 people stayed, pretty weird to make that part of the same ticket AND so late on a weeknight

soupcan Jan 13 2011 06:56 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I completely disagree. I was there too and it seemed like it was at least 60% if not 70% orange in the crowd AND it was a good loud crowd. Maybe because I was sitting in the midst of them it seemed louder to me but still. I didn't stay for the women's game, but that was mostly because I didn't have a horse in that race. Can't imagine why SJU fans wouldn't stay to watch their team take on UConn. Oh - and Duke loses, so unless the voters feel that the Blue Devils shouldn't slip more than one spot, and 'Cuse beats Cincy on Saturday, the Orange could be as high as #3 in the next poll.

metirish Jan 13 2011 07:31 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I tired watching some of the game, incredibly boring.....sorry. I guess I don't have a stake in either college so maybe that's why...and can the commentators stop with the redundant " worlds greatest arena" bullshit.....

Methead Jan 13 2011 03:18 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

metirish wrote: I tired watching some of the game, incredibly boring.....sorry. Well, I can see why. It went from "why can't either team score" to "holy shit it's a blowout" pretty quickly.

Ashie62 Jan 15 2011 11:28 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Syracuse pulls away from soon to not be #25 Cincy

Methead Jan 15 2011 01:22 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Nice work today, holding Cincy to 30% shooting. Rick Jackson remains a beast. Fab Melo had 4 blocks in just 15 minutes. He's improving bit by bit.

soupcan Jan 17 2011 08:14 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Tough one tonight against #5 Pittsburgh. I'm seeing the betting line as Pitt giving 7 right now and I think that's about right. Pitt has beaten Syracuse the last 7 games in a row and they are close to unbeatable at home. Syracuse's leading scorer, Kris Joseph is out with a concussion and did not make the trip to Pittsburgh. It's true that the Orange may be ranked as high as #3 today, but Pitt would be #4 with only one loss and that was of the 'wtf' variety to Tennessee. I had this one marked on my calendar as a loss at the beginning of the year. Gotta say though, there are no other teams that I root for that come up big in big spots like the Orange routinely do. I'm expecting a loss but a 15 point victory wouldn't surprise me either. Let's go Orange!

Methead Jan 17 2011 08:47 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

It should be a slugfest. I hope Melo doesn't foul out in the first half. Gonna be tough without Joseph, but who knows. Maybe Southerland can hit a couple from long range and open things up. I'd love it if SU could get a bunch of turnovers and fast break points, but we'll probably be sweating out free throws at the end. I'll be watching and probably won't even sit down until halftime.

Centerfield Jan 17 2011 09:48 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I don't think the Joseph loss will be fatal to the Orange. If Southerland gets going, he can make up for the loss. It will be a very tough game nonetheless. Pitt routinely carves up the 2-3 zone. Likely our first loss tonight, but hopefully it will be a tightly fought game. One thing I wanted to mention, I think it's cool how great SU fans have been to Melo. It's very possible that it could have gone the other way, and that he could be getting booed. Instead, nice to see everyone support the kid.

Frayed Knot Jan 17 2011 10:27 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

[u:1izi1fez]At[/u:1izi1fez] Pittsburgh ... is this the first time Syracuse is crossing the state line this season?

Methead Jan 17 2011 11:00 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Frayed Knot wrote: At Pittsburgh ... is this the first time Syracuse is crossing the state line this season? Well, they played a couple games in Atlantic City earlier this year, but they haven't traveled far.

Centerfield Jan 17 2011 12:00 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yup. And a lot of them went home for Christmas. Who says Boeheim's guys don't travel?

soupcan Jan 17 2011 12:25 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Frayed Knot wrote: At Pittsburgh ... is this the first time Syracuse is crossing the state line this season? Played in Newark against Seton Hall.

Frayed Knot Jan 17 2011 04:13 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: At Pittsburgh ... is this the first time Syracuse is crossing the state line this season? Played in Newark against Seton Hall. Probably packed their passports for that one, eh? I don't mean to pick on 'Cuse, just the silliness of the pre-conference part of the sked where the good teams can not only cherry-pick their opponents but dictate that the majority of those games are at their home court as well.

Methead Jan 17 2011 05:51 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yeesh... not off to a good start at the Zoo. That place is crazy, they cram students into the first 15 rows all the way around the court.

Methead Jan 17 2011 06:24 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Cuse claws their way back into it, down by 4 points at the half after falling behind 19 to nada.

Methead Jan 17 2011 07:53 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 18 2011 09:45 AM

Ah well. Can't expect to go into Pitt and win, although the way they fought back into the game was encouraging. Missed free throws, missed layups, missed rebounds. Big night for CJ Fair... Rick Jackson remains a beast, yada yada yada. Up next is Villanova at the Dome, should be another good one.

Centerfield Jan 18 2011 07:48 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

A few things: 1. That arena is an incredibly hard place to play. The students are right on top of you. 12,000 sounds like 40,000 the way that place is built. I think that has a lot to do with Pitt's home record, and probably means that they are not quite as good a team as they appear to be when playing at home. 2. That being said, Pitt was much better than Syracuse tonight. Even better than what the score suggested. Every time they needed a big play or stop, they came up with it. Syracuse could never get over that hump. That's a sign of a very good team. 3. A big part of that was the defense. Pitt, whether it's their personnel or Jamie Dixon, has absolutely figured out the zone. They know exactly how to attack it. Boeheim has said in the past that you need two defenses to win. You have to try the man-to-man against Pitt. Even if it's just to shake it up. That's a bad job by Boeheim not to make any adjustments. 4. The centers have to play better. There is too much pressure on Rick Jackson. But as Methead says, Jackson is awesome. 5. They missed Kris Joseph more than I thought. I though Southerland could have a big game tonight, but he seemed to be forcing some of his shots. 6. Good job making it a game after being down 19-0. Great effort to make it a game, and there's no shame in losing at Pittsburgh. I really think if they shook it up on defense and had Kris Joseph, they still could have won in that building.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 18 2011 08:03 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Yeesh... not off to a good start at the Zoo. That place is crazy, they cram students into the first 15 rows all the way around the court. A few things: 1. That arena is an incredibly hard place to play. The students are right on top of you. 12,000 sounds like 40,000 the way that place is built. I think that has a lot to do with Pitt's home record.... That sounds like the setup for SU's old home court --Manley Field House-- one of the most notoriously difficult venues for visiting teams to play in the history of college BB. I think that every school ought to give the student body first crack at the best seats in the house. That's what Duke does. Apparently, so does Pitt. I've been to SU basketball games at the Carrier Dome, and I was appalled to learn that most of the students (I'm guessing about 60 - 65% of the students in attendance) sit behind one of the baskets. I was especially bothered by this because of how many available seats there are at the Dome. As everyone probably knows, the Carrier Dome is the largest capacity on-site college basketball venue that's owned by the host school. SU leads the country in basketball home attendance every season -- easily. But when you watch an SU basketball game on TV, and you see the fans sitting on the side of the court behind where the team benches are -- those seats go to non-students.

Frayed Knot Jan 18 2011 08:18 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I think that every school ought to give the student body first crack at the best seats in the house Absolutely!! One of my bigger objections to college sports is when coaches & ADs plus the quasi-connected booster clubs and the like act as if being connected to a college is an oft-annoying impediment to their larger dream of being a pro team, albeit a pro team with that nuisance of having to actually pay the talent or give them any rights whatsoever. Students being a big part of a (supposedly) student team ... what a concept!

soupcan Jan 18 2011 02:11 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yeah - great job by SU to get back in that game after being down 19. Would love to get another shot at Pitt in the BET. When I was a student I had seats center court on the opposite side of where the players sit. The student sections were that entire section and behind one of the baskets. Now it appears that its just behind the basket. Unfortunate.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 18 2011 05:45 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 20 2011 10:59 AM

soupcan wrote: When I was a student I had seats center court on the opposite side of where the players sit. The student sections were that entire section and behind one of the baskets. Now it appears that its just behind the basket. Unfortunate. Yeah. When I wrote that 60 or 65% of the students sit behind one of the baskets, I left out that the rest of the student section was where you sat. But only half of that side was ever for students -- from half-court to the end closest to the student section basket (from #125 to the midway point between #123 and #124, charts below). According to the two charts below, that other section is no longer student seating. Given the large number of available seats at the Carrier Dome, it's a disgrace the way that SU allots basketball seating for its own students. From the seating charts, it looks like almost one third of the student section is an obstructed, or at least crappy, view. Those kids (their parents) are spending over $100 grand to go there. They should get to sit in the best seats for a basketball game.

soupcan Jan 19 2011 08:19 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That's lousy. Bad job by the university there.

Fman99 Jan 20 2011 08:07 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I've sat in section 320 before. The view from that side blows. We're sitting in 311 next Tuesday for the Seton Hall game.

Centerfield Jan 22 2011 06:44 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

BIG GAME today. Fman, get your butt over there.

Fman99 Jan 22 2011 01:58 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield wrote: BIG GAME today. Fman, get your butt over there. I saw this too late! If only I had known (and wanted to sit in the suck-ass seats behind the curtain).

Ashie62 Jan 22 2011 08:17 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield wrote: BIG GAME today. Fman, get your butt over there. He didn't miss anything, Nova was in control wire to wire.

Methead Jan 25 2011 05:58 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Down by 13 to Seton Hall at the half... at home. What, Kris Joseph hurts his head and the whole team falls apart?

Fman99 Jan 25 2011 07:51 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That sucked.

Ashie62 Jan 25 2011 09:58 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Even Rutgers beat the Hall.

soupcan Jan 26 2011 06:54 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

SU beat the Hall too - two weeks ago. That did suck. But hey man, as 'Nova showed on Saturday and The Hall showed last night - you hit your threes, you extend the zone, you can beat SU. Boeheim banks on the fact that teams won't hit those consistently enough to win. There's 2 games when they did. I don't like 2 home losses in a row, but I'm going to chalk this one up as this year's 'Freakin' Rutgers' and move on.

Ashie62 Jan 26 2011 07:54 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

You will be in the Elite 8, feel better?

Methead Jan 29 2011 07:36 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Apparently SU has never lost 5 straight games under Boeheim. Well, it's more possible than ever with UConn coming up next.

Ashie62 Jan 29 2011 11:06 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Conference play can humble any team quickly. In other news Stony Brook romps and RU scares Pitt.

soupcan Jan 30 2011 08:49 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: Apparently SU has never lost 5 straight games under Boeheim. Well, it's more possible than ever with UConn coming up next. Yup- fast approaching unfamiliar territory. I still have faith that these guys can win in a big spot. The UConn game fills that bill.

Methead Jan 30 2011 09:29 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Wow, St. John's pounded Duke today. I wish I'd taken the time to watch it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 31 2011 07:21 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Manhattan U won on a 65-foot buzzer beater yesterday. Vid: [url]http://espn.go.com/video/clip?DB_OEM_ID=12500&id=6074275

batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2011 09:22 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Manhattan U won on a 65-foot buzzer beater yesterday. Who'd they beat? Syracuse? (ba da bump)

batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2011 11:27 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

The rankings for week 13. Syracuse drops to #17 in both polls. Ouch. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Centerfield Jan 31 2011 11:36 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

You'd have to expect that going 0-2 against non-ranked opponents. Tough game against UConn on Wednesday. Very real chance this could be 5 in a row.

Centerfield Feb 03 2011 07:43 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That was a big win. After struggling against Seton Hall and Marquette, they walk into Connecticut and control the game the entire second half. Crazy shit this college basketball.

soupcan Feb 03 2011 07:46 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

It was nice to see. Living in CT it is no picnic when they lose to UConn. At USF on Saturday.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2011 09:16 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I had no horse in the race, but that was fun to watch; classic bangin' Big East ball. Methead wrote: Wow, St. John's pounded Duke today. I wish I'd taken the time to watch it. Happened to tune in just in time for tipoff, and stuck around through the half. Just a crisp, beautiful, bruising, fundamentally-sound asskicking.

Ashie62 Feb 03 2011 03:20 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Syracuse wins and covers! Thanks Scoop!

soupcan Feb 03 2011 07:32 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ashie62 wrote: Syracuse wins and covers! Thanks Scoop! Thanks incarceratedbob!

Ashie62 Feb 03 2011 08:12 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Syracuse wins and covers! Thanks Scoop! Thanks incarceratedbob! A can't believe the reporter in Rochester got this out there. SU ain't no bettin college.

Ashie62 Feb 09 2011 09:43 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Rutgers knocks off #10 Villanova on a 4 point play at the buzzer. That should help the Orange.

soupcan Feb 11 2011 09:35 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

It's not like they need help - I think they are tournament locks at this point. It's just frustrating seeing them lose to teams that a month ago I was confident they'd be able to beat. The thing that's killing me is the success teams are having from beyond the arc. It does not bode well - again - for this Saturday's game against Louisville which always beats the Orange in that specific manner - raining threes.

Frayed Knot Feb 11 2011 10:42 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ashie62 wrote: Rutgers knocks off #10 Villanova on a 4 point play at the buzzer. That should help the Orange. I saw that play on highlights about a day later. What a bullshit call!

batmagadanleadoff Feb 11 2011 12:23 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: It's not like they need help - I think they are tournament locks at this point. It's just frustrating seeing them lose to teams that a month ago I was confident they'd be able to beat. The thing that's killing me is the success teams are having from beyond the arc. It does not bode well - again - for this Saturday's game against Louisville which always beats the Orange in that specific manner - raining threes. I don't think that this team is dominant. Do you like Jardine and Triche? I think they're too inconsistent. It's a problem because they start and any starter on a Boeheim team is going to get most of the minutes, barring foul trouble. I don't see this backcourt capable of winning games against the elite teams.

soupcan Feb 11 2011 01:49 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I'm not a huge Scoop fan. I think of him as a stop-gap until we get our next elite guard (Michael Carter-Williams perhaps?). That being said, he definitely impressed me earlier this season with his Sherman Douglas/Stevie Thompson type slashes to the hoop and scoring amidst the trees down in the paint. Haven't seen a whole lot of that lately though. Triche I liked right from the beginning. I guess subconsciously I compared him to his uncle and since Brandon is a MUCH better player than Howard was it was easy for me to like him. I like him a lot more as a shooting guard rather than running the point though. I agree that they probably don't have the backcourt that can take them deep into the tournament but I've been really impressed with Fair and Waiters.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 11 2011 02:13 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: I'm not a huge Scoop fan.... That being said, he definitely impressed me earlier this season with his Sherman Douglas/Stevie Thompson type slashes to the hoop and scoring amidst the trees down in the paint. Haven't seen a whole lot of that lately though. When they were playing against Cornell? They lack consistent outside shooting. The bigger teams exploit this by collapsing their defenses, thus putting even more pressure on SU's best offensive threat -- their inside game. Chalk up two more McDonald's All Stars for the Orange (incoming for 2012-13). http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebasketba ... asket.html

soupcan Feb 21 2011 07:40 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Suck it 'Nova!

Methead Feb 22 2011 05:47 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Big win. That was a crazy game, fun to watch at times... mindblowingly frustrating at other times. I'm starting to feel the same way about college refs as a lot of people felt about MLB umpires last year. I'm not sure what games these guys are watching. And I know I've said it a million times, but I can no longer tell what's a foul and what isn't. I get the sense that the officials are kinda guessing too. http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebasketba ... nal_f.html

Methead Feb 26 2011 12:50 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I like beating Georgetown... another big win on the road.

soupcan Feb 26 2011 07:12 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Suck it Georgetown!

Fman99 Feb 26 2011 08:31 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Fuckin' A. Another big road win. All that's left is a week off, then Depaul (last in the conference) and on to the Big East tourney. They've got a nice shot at a two-day BE tourney bye.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 26 2011 10:07 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Fman99 wrote: They've got a nice shot at a two-day BE tourney bye. They may have a shot, but it's not a gimmee. Assuming SU beats Depaul, then for SU to get that double bye, one of the following two must happen: 1. St. John's has to lose one of their two remaining games (@ Seton Hall or hosting USF); or 2. Louisville has to lose two of their remaining three (hosting Pitt and Providence, then @ W.Virginia)

soupcan Feb 27 2011 10:49 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

If I'm not mistaken (and I very well may be), there's a third scenario: If Notre Dame loses it's last two (home vs. Villanova and at UConn) and Syracuse beats DePaul, then ND and SU both finish 12-6 with SU getting the tie-break having beaten the Irish in their one match-up this year.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 27 2011 11:19 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: If I'm not mistaken (and I very well may be), there's a third scenario: If Notre Dame loses it's last two (home vs. Villanova and at UConn) and Syracuse beats DePaul, then ND and SU both finish 12-6 with SU getting the tie-break having beaten the Irish in their one match-up this year. That'll do it, too.

soupcan Feb 27 2011 03:26 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

L'ville beats Pitt in OT today. I don't see the Cardinals losing to both Providence and WVU so that second scenario is looking just a little bleaker.

Methead Feb 28 2011 12:30 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Back up to #12 in the polls. The conference has 8 teams in the top 25, including St. John's at a well-deserved #15.

soupcan Feb 28 2011 01:01 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

15? Wow, that is HUGE for them. Agreed - well deserved.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 28 2011 01:47 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

What's that, six ranked teams in the last month? I think you guys are rooting for a Notre Dame backslide, really.

soupcan Mar 01 2011 08:15 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And Notre Dame clobbers 'Nova by 21 pts - 93-72 so that backslide ain't gonna happen. SU fans wanting that double-bye are left hoping that St. John's has gotten too full of themselves and will understimate USF and Seton Hall. Highly doubtful but ya nevah know.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 01 2011 09:50 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That loss to Seton Hall at the Carrier Dome is looming large right now.

soupcan Mar 03 2011 07:14 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And St. John's loses to the Hall 84-70. All the Orange have to do now to get the double bye is to beat the league's worst team (DePaul) at home in the Dome. I'm optimistic.

Fman99 Mar 03 2011 08:46 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: And St. John's loses to the Hall 84-70. All the Orange have to do now to get the double bye is to beat the league's worst team (DePaul) at home in the Dome. I'm optimistic. Sweet.

Methead Mar 04 2011 07:01 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Also makes the home loss to Seton Hall look a little less terrible. Hey, you guys remember when Depaul put up 100 points against us a few years ago? That can't possibly happen again, right? RIGHT?

Centerfield Mar 04 2011 08:18 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

That never happened. Ever.

soupcan Mar 04 2011 08:28 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And DePaul almost beat us last year.

soupcan Mar 05 2011 07:45 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

New York Post has Syracuse giving 19 & 1/2 points against DePaul today. I mean, I think they'll win but wow that's a huge line for a conference game this late in the season with something at stake (the double-bye).

soupcan Mar 05 2011 09:11 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Meanwhile Syracuse wins by 49 points, 107-59. Shows you how much I know.

Centerfield Mar 06 2011 05:22 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I don't know which was worse for DePaul, losing by 49 points, or the CJ Fair dunk. How about 10 points for Fab Melo?!?

Methead Mar 06 2011 07:21 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Depaul clearly has a few talented players, but nowhere near enough to compete against the top teams in the league. Yeesh. Nice to see Rick Jackson able to break loose again after being double and triple teamed for the past month. And yeah, Melo had a nice game. Hopefully next year he's able to do that against the good teams. They were making every shot, and should be very confident heading to MSG. Anyone going to the games? Cuse plays Thursday at 2 pm against Rutgers, Seton Hall, or St. John's.

soupcan Mar 06 2011 07:53 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I don't have tix yet but I usually find myself at one or two sessions of the Big East tourney. Haven't been to a Final since the '80s. If 'Cuse gets there though, I'll find a way to get myself into MSG.

soupcan Mar 08 2011 08:40 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Looking to watch some Big East Tourney games today while at work, I remembered that Methead had posted this site, channelsurfing,net, as a way to watch games online. Alas

Methead Mar 08 2011 02:39 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Yeah. I'm pretty sure they just changed their domain name to .me and carried on as usual. ATDHE.me is also a good option. Jeremy Hazell just drained a three to tie Rutgers with a second on the clock.

Ashie62 Mar 08 2011 04:53 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

RU takes down the Hall it OT, bring on the Johnniecakes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 09 2011 03:30 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And Rutgers just got sent home... but not before a good rutting from the officials. Good Lord.

Ashie62 Mar 09 2011 05:08 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I don't begrudge a very good St. Johns team the win but....Mitchell did not knock the ball out of bounds, it should have been an over the back on SJU SJU stepped out of bounds with 2 seconds left when they threw the ball in the air. I got home abit ago and I'm still pissed.

Methead Mar 09 2011 05:33 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

They did get completely fucked there, huh? It's insane to me that they can't review that situation... they stop games all the time to look at the monitors. They'll clear students off the court to play until the final buzzer. Shoulda had the ball at midcourt with about 1.7 on the clock at the very least. I'm not sure if they could have called a technical there or not. Games have been won with less time on the clock for sure.

Ashie62 Mar 09 2011 05:51 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Refs wanted nothing but to get in the locker room. RU AD Pernetti tried to get all back on the court..alas

soupcan Mar 10 2011 07:43 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Connections come through and I'll be in the building today for Syracuse-St.John's. Go Orange!

Ashie62 Mar 10 2011 07:46 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Please spank St. Johns with prejudice.

Centerfield Mar 10 2011 07:49 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Wow that was some horrible officiating. Poor Freakin' Rutgers.

Centerfield Mar 10 2011 02:38 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Back and forth game. Hopefully soupy leaves happy.

Centerfield Mar 10 2011 03:05 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And 'Cuse toughs it out. St. John's looks like a much better team than they were the first time they met. 12 points for Fab Melo! Soupcan, what did you think?

Ashie62 Mar 10 2011 03:10 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Congrats to the Orange..Nice win to say the least.

Methead Mar 10 2011 03:28 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

FAB MELLOOOOOO

soupcan Mar 10 2011 03:49 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Centerfield wrote: And 'Cuse toughs it out. St. John's looks like a much better team than they were the first time they met. 12 points for Fab Melo! Soupcan, what did you think? Fun, exciting game. Thought the officiating was uneven and biased towards St. John's. Did you get the same impression from TV? Triche was The MAN and Fab was a nice surprise. MSG seemed to be 50-50 SU-SJU. I think we caught a big time break when Kennedy went down but the same thing happened to us last year with Onuaku in the G'Town game. Thems the breaks.

Frayed Knot Mar 10 2011 04:43 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Is there actually a player named Fab Melo?

soupcan Mar 10 2011 06:16 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Frayed Knot wrote: Is there actually a player named Fab Melo? All 7'0", 244 lbs of him.

Methead Mar 10 2011 06:28 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

I'd appreciate saying "Fabricio de Melo" a lot more but I guess we have to Americanize it. Everything has to fit within 140 characters these days. As for the officiating... I did find myself wondering what the story was on a few fouls, but then again I always do. Had this shirt on today, I guess I'll have to wear it tomorrow too. Hoping for 7 overtimes!

Frayed Knot Mar 10 2011 06:56 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

'd appreciate saying "Fabricio de Melo" a lot more but I guess we have to Americanize it. Ahh, a Brazilian (now that I look it up). I thought for a time that it was some kind of made up name which was a play on Fabulous and former Orangeman Carmelo.

Ashie62 Mar 11 2011 07:05 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Clutch 3 by Jardine makes it 68-68.

Methead Mar 11 2011 07:59 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ashie62 wrote: Clutch 3 by Jardine makes it 68-68. Yeah, they were definitely lucky to force OT in this one. Obviously I feel like they got screwed by the refs a few times, but I'm sure UConn fans could say the same. That's the way it is in the Big East I guess. SU didn't do themselves any favors though, even when (and if) they got to the line. Didn't seem like SU took a good shot all night.

Fman99 Mar 11 2011 08:03 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Eh, they'll save their legs for the big dance. They won a game in the Big East tourney, showed that they're one of the top four teams in their conference, it's all good. I don't like seeing them lose to UConn either but this is just the warm-up.

soupcan Mar 11 2011 08:05 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Foul shots, foul shots, foul shouts. Fuck it - let's go dancing.

Methead Mar 11 2011 08:19 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

soupcan wrote: Foul shots, foul shots, foul shouts. SU did a horrible job getting to the line in the first place. I felt like UConn had no answer for Rick Jackson down low, and they just didn't get the ball to him. I dunno.

Ashie62 Mar 12 2011 06:42 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

So Syracuse gets an extra day rest and maybe slips to a 4 seed. The BE tournament is so physical it has to be hard to ref it. Notre Dame blew a big lead to Louisville and we have Uconn v. Louisville in what should be a goodie..

Ashie62 Mar 12 2011 12:18 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ticky tac foul scuttles Stony Brook.

themetfairy Mar 12 2011 02:52 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Sorry Seawolf. (But go Terriers!)

Methead Mar 13 2011 05:26 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

SU remains a #3 seed, and gets placed in the East region. I like it.

soupcan Mar 13 2011 06:49 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Methead wrote: SU remains a #3 seed, and gets placed in the East region. I like it. Possible Sweet Sixteen match-up with North Carolina. I'll take that.

Methead Mar 13 2011 07:38 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

And to think I was all pumped up about coming in here to bitch about SU dropping to #4 and getting shipped out west. In 2003 we were a 3 seed and stayed home. And we have a Melo.

Elster88 Mar 13 2011 10:50 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 13 2011 11:04 PM

Huskies!!! The Big East got their eleven teams. 1991 is still the standard bearer for the most impressive season for tournament entrants from a single conference. 7 out of 10 is better than 11 out of 16…long term Big East fans will note that only 6 of the 11 below are “real” Big East basketball teams. It looks like the committee threw their hands in the air and said "Fuck it" as far as keeping the teams away from each other. Four Big East teams in the east bracket. Two potential Big East match-ups (Marquette-Syracuse and Cincinnati-UConn) in the second round. (I've seen it called the third round on some networks... it's the second round). One idiot’s thoughts on the Dancing Big East Teams: Pittsburgh - #1 seed in the southeast. Pittsburgh is one of only two teams left that I dislike. During one game 12 and a half years ago, I saw a bunch of assholes throwing bottles and batteries at a pudgy kid on my team and have hated them since. Even though I know that they were not the first or last college kids to act like assholes, even though I too was at least part-asshole in college (arguably still am), and even though it was 12 AND A HALF FUCKING YEARS AGO they have a special place in my dark, soulless heart. I'm working through this with my therapist. Kemba's shot on Thursday was a lot of fun. I think they deserved the #1 seed. They always seem to fall just short of the Final Four but they have a soft region this year and I think they could finally make it. I would enjoy Pittsburgh and St. John’s matching up in the round of eight. Notre Dame - #2 (southwest) – Didn’t realize they were this good until I looked up at the end of the year and they were beating UConn for the second time to finish 14-4. Lots of slow developing plays and everyone on their team can both handle the ball and shoot jays. Athletic too…in the Louisville game some dude (Martin) dribbled from the circle and dunked on top of two guys as MSG made the shocked sound you still hear when a white guy shows why he is a Division 1 athlete. In the tight games, I still think they'll go as far as Ben Hansbrough will carry them. When he is leading the right way, they can get up 17 on Louisville. When he’s screwing up, they’ll collapse down the stretch…and he looked awful late in the Louisville game. He can get in foul trouble too. The other guys on his team are probably more capable of stepping up than I realize. Purdue, and then either Kansas or Louisville will make it hard for them to get out of the region. Connecticut - 3 (west) - Last week I thought UConn would be one of the best picks to get upset in the first round by an 11 or 12 seed. After an incredible run in the Big East Tournament my expectations are inflated way beyond reality. I see Cincinnati in the second round and San Diego State as the two seed and will now be disappointed if they don't make the Elite Eight to play Duke. Duke is the only other team I can't stand, and that's because a young boy was devastated by a Christian Laettner buzzer beater. Fuck the Duke-Kentucky game, an overtime play with 2.6 seconds left on the clock a year prior broke my heart (if Tate George hadn’t trimmed his fingernails that day he would’ve knocked the pass away), and then a beating the following year in the Sweet Sixteen left me bitter and angry. Even though my team has since beaten them in the title game and in the Final Four I still can't get over those games in the early nineties. That is next week's topic with my therapist. The idea of losing to Duke in the Elite Eight terrifies me, though any UConn fan knows losing in the second (or first!) round is not entirely out of the realm of possibilities. If they do lose early I’ll blame it on five wins in five days (fuck yeah!). All year long I told myself I wouldn’t pick with my heart when filling out my bracket, and now I’m buying an extra bracket at work just so I can pick them to go all the way. Sports shouldn’t mean this much. Syracuse - 3 (east) - You guys know way more than me. Thoughts? Enough teams must run the 2-3 zone that it’s not a shock for non-Big East teams when they see Syracuse in the tournament. I enjoyed the missed free throws on Friday, but hope they can make them now that they’re playing anyone else. Is Triche really a terrible player or have I caught the bad moments? I like Jim Boeheim, though I wish he would go back to wearing the glasses that he borrowed from Martina Navratilova in the eighties. Someone please explain why they changed their nickname. I thought Orangemen was great, especially back when the Redmen existed. Is it a Title IX thing? Louisville – 4 (SW) – Something about Old Pitino creeps me out. Peyton Siva is the most annoying player in the Big East and he leads the most annoying team in basketball. If the threes are falling and they’re pressing poor ball-handlers they will win by 30. If the opposite is true they can get down by 20, but will always have a chance to turn it around. If they can drill enough shots against Kansas in the Sweet 16 then they might face Notre Dame again in the Elite Eight, so a Final Four run is in play. West Virginia – 5 (E) – Strange days when a 5 seed has 11 losses. I was surprised that they were this high but then realized I have no memory of watching them this year. I guess Bob Huggins is a good coach . It was touching and very uncomfortable when he cradled an injured player in last year’s tournament. How many players are left from that Final Four team? It can’t be that many. Joe Mazzulla is scary looking. They have a play-in winner in the first round, and then a Kentucky team that’s on a nice run after winning the SEC tournament. Maybe a young Kentucky team will self-destruct against them for the second consecutive year, but they don’t have a prayer against Ohio State. Cincinnati – 6 (W) – If I had to pick one tourney team from the Big East that UConn had to play, I’d pick Cincy or Nova. Cincy doesn’t frighten me in the least. My impression is that they beat up on a weak schedule this year and lost to all the good teams. A quick glance at their schedule shows two good wins: at St. John’s and Xavier at home. I think both times they beat Georgetown was when Wright was out. Definitely too high a seed. UConn will crush them. Georgetown – 6 (SW) – Chris Wright is supposed to be back for the first round. They looked awful without him. UConn kicked their ass in the BET, but that may have been as much due to Wright’s absence as any improvement from UConn. How quickly can he get back in form? They also play a play-in winner in the first round (maybe the selection committee making up for pitting Big East teams in the second round?), but if they take advantage of that they’ll get smashed by Purdue in the second round. Other thoughts: JT III seems like a nice man. Georgetown isn’t a tenth as scary as they were in the eighties. I feel old. St. John’s – 6 (SE) – I happily bet against the Johnnies all year and got my ass handed to me. They fit the decent-to-good-team mold perfectly: they kicked the crap out of a lot of teams at home this year, Duke(!!) and UConn among them, but I don’t think their road/neutral record is as good. But with BYU losing their best non-Jimmer to sex I can see them making the Sweet 16. It’s fun to have St. John’s in the mix again; it brings back memories. I still think Red Storm is a gawd-awful nickname. Were the Native Americans really that offended? Villanova – 9 (E) – Have played terrible the second half of the year. It’s all about their guard-play and if they stay to their recent form they’ll get murdered in the first round. I like Jay Wright despite his connections to Francesa. Steve Lappas was on TV today talking about the bracket and he’s as weasely-looking as ever. Marquette – 11 (E) – Supposedly one of the last at-large teams to get in not counting the play-in teams. A lot of good shooters on this team too, and Johnson-Odom is a really nice player that seems capable of carrying them. I figure Marquette beats Xavier (all I know about Xavier is that Cincinnati crushed them) and loses to ‘Cuse. One other impression: Buzz Williams sometimes appears to be out of his mind. In a good way. CANT WAIT. edit: errrr, Kentucky is in the SEC

Elster88 Mar 13 2011 10:53 PM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

themetfairy wrote: Sorry Seawolf. Agreed. I was hoping to make the "Seawolf has Stony Brook going all the way" joke again, this time with them in the tournament.

soupcan Mar 14 2011 08:17 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Syracuse - 3 (east) - You guys know way more than me. Thoughts? Enough teams must run the 2-3 zone that it’s not a shock for non-Big East teams when they see Syracuse in the tournament. I enjoyed the missed free throws on Friday, but hope they can make them now that they’re playing anyone else. Is Triche really a terrible player or have I caught the bad moments? I like Jim Boeheim, though I wish he would go back to wearing the glasses that he borrowed from Martina Navratilova in the eighties. Someone please explain why they changed their nickname. I thought Orangemen was great, especially back when the Redmen existed. Is it a Title IX thing? The 2-3: In 2003, 'Cuse beat a bevy of Big 12 teams to win the whole ball of wax on the strength of the 2-3 (and the original 'Melo) and the belief that teams that do not play Syracuse on a regular basis (ie: non-Big East teams) do not see the zone. I'm pretty certain that Syracuse is alone in it's exclusive use of the zone in Div. 1 college hoops. Although other teams may practice playing against it, facing a team like Syracuse that executes it as well as they do doesn't really prepare a team for it. Triche - No idea why Triche had such limited minutes in the second half against the Huskies. I like him a lot. Although I wouldn't go as far as the announcers did on Friday night calling him Syracuse's best player, I do think he is very good and am very comfortable with the ball is in hands. He may not have a flair for the dramatic like Scoop but I like his consistency. Nickname: Not a Title IX thing as the women used to be called 'Orangewomen' and nobody seemed to ever have an issue with it. Was changed to 'Orange' for the same reason that the Redmen are now the Red Storm. Native American sensibilities. Original team name was The Saltine Warriors, paying homage to both the upstate region's salt mines as well as the indiginous Onandagan Indians. Over the years, the nickname 'Orangemen' evolved presumably from the skin color of the make-up of the Indian mascot.

Ashie62 Mar 14 2011 08:34 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

George Mason takes out Nova and Louisville makes a serious run. Saltine Warriors is homage to a cracker.

Fman99 Mar 14 2011 10:22 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Ashie62 wrote: Saltine Warriors is homage to a cracker. What, the kid at BYU?

Methead Mar 15 2011 05:56 AM Re: SU Basketball 2010-2011

Boeheim takes us down memory lane: [url]http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index.ssf/2011/03/poliquin_jim_boeheim_had_thing.html