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="metirish"][code]if they make Lidge a nonfactor,like they have done,..its all but over.]
I hope not and not with Oswalt going in game 3... |
Im with ya,..just feelin a lil deflated.
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SwitchHitter
Oct 23 2005 11:37 PM
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The trouble with Oswalt is sometimes he'll take a couple of innings to settle in and with these guys, that's not gonna work.
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metirish
Oct 23 2005 11:38 PM
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He's 3 - 0 in the post-season, I'll take him for game three.
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Zvon
Oct 23 2005 11:41 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Burke, Biggio (in previous years anyway), Berkman, Vizcaino, Lamb & Bruntlett have all switched at various times - and many of them on a semi-regular basis - between the big and small gloved spots.
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Cuz they are team players and gamers.
The game needs more players of that ilk.
Especially Bags and Biggs, who could have opted for the money ahead of staying in Houston.
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metirish
Oct 23 2005 11:45 PM
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| ]Especially Bags and Biggs, who could have opted for the money ahead of staying in Houston. |
Both are great guys I'm sure but Bagwell made $18,000,000 this season and for his career he has pulled down $108,765,000.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bagweje01.shtml
Biggio had made $73,015,500 from the Astros..
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Zvon
Oct 23 2005 11:46 PM
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.....that cameraman had to be running down the 3rd base line rite behind Posednik to get that back shot of him approaching the plate. Great shot, but until Pos touches the plate he should not be on the field.
I protest the game.
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 23 2005 11:48 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
As more "invincible" closers become anything but.
The label on Jenks was certainly premature.
And I could wonder if these past few weeks mean that Lidge is now "damaged goods" and someone who is "proven" to be untrustworthy for the rest of time in post-season ... but I've beat that angle into the ground too many times around here so I'll just leave it alone. . |
The Great Mariano (TM John Sterling) blew his first big postseason game as a closer
I hope no one puts Lidge in Benitez type comparisions as Benitez was blowing games for a few years with both Orioles and Mets
Steve
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Zvon
Oct 23 2005 11:49 PM
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metirish wrote:
| ]Especially Bags and Biggs, who could have opted for the money ahead of staying in Houston. |
Both are great guys I'm sure but Bagwell made $18,000,000 this season and for his career he has pulled down $108,765,000.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bagweje01.shtml
Biggio had made $73,015,500 from the Astros.. |
Both decided to take smaller $$$ deals to stay with Houston.
In the state of todays game, that still makes them some pretty BIG bucks.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2005 11:51 PM
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]Cuz they are team players and gamers.
The game needs more players of that ilk. |
It's not just a question of attitude or having "team players", it's about having guys with the sort of skills that can work in different places.
In a way it can be a sort of good news/bad news deal. The good is that it often gives you a bunch of versatility for late inning moves. The bad is that that versatility means you rarely have strong defensive players at any one spot; sort of a bunch of 'jack of all trades - master of none' types.
- Berkman doesn't really shine anywhere he's played
- Burke is a 2nd baseman playing LF and it showed today
- Biggio did them a big favor moving out to first CF and then LF when they signed Kent but he was barely competent out there and really hurt him with his arm
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 23 2005 11:51 PM
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"I think the taste is no longer there..."-McCarver just before the Walk Off homer on wheither the Pujols HR was still affecting Lidge
Mac still has a knack for these things, flashing back to 4/26/1986
[url]http://www.ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=3858[/url]
Hojo vs Worrell:
"...Mets need a long ball (Hojo tags ball into stands) AND THEY JUST MIGHT HAVE IT!"
Steve
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 24 2005 12:04 AM
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Oh and, Dennis Eckersley and Goose Gossage, both considered two of the top 3 (with Mo) "money" closers ever have been tagged with crushing postseason HRs (two WS cappers (one a true capper, the other pretty much the capper) to the same guy)
I wouldn't be putting any "choke" or "Benitiez" label on Lidge JUST yet...
Steve
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Edgy DC
Oct 24 2005 12:05 AM
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| ]I hope no one puts Lidge in Benitez type comparisions as Benitez was blowing games for a few years with both Orioles and Mets |
Yeah, also saved a couple of hundred.
It's this belief in the myth of Benitez's particular blowing quality that got us into Looper City this year.
I wouldn't be putting any "choke" or "Benitez" label on Benitez. I'm stubborn.
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MFS62
Oct 24 2005 07:09 AM
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Some insight from Jeff Brantley on ESPN overnight radio.
He said that Lidge has a great fastball and a great slider. But sometimes he "falls in love" with one and stops throwing the other. He added that (I paraphrase - I was more than half asleep) - major league hitters can catch up with even the best fastball when they know what's coming.
Later
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metirish
Oct 24 2005 09:36 AM
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That's hardly "insight" from Brantley, it's the same tired bullshit that ex-players use,you could ask ten such experts and nine would give you that cliché answer...
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Elster88
Oct 24 2005 09:39 AM
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Zvon wrote:
| ="Willets Point"]Awesome game, awesome series so far. I love baseball. |
ditto.
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Ditto.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 24 2005 09:48 AM
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Great series thus far. Too bad nobody cares since neither the Yankees or Red Sox are playing.
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sharpie
Oct 24 2005 09:49 AM
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I agree. This whole postseason has featured some great baseball.
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Willets Point
Oct 24 2005 10:04 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
Great series thus far. Too bad nobody cares since neither the Yankees or Red Sox are playing. |
Sounded like folks on the Southside cared. Didn't they say that no one cared (outside of New York) in 2000 too? It seems that they always find some way for no one to care.
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Centerfield
Oct 24 2005 10:41 AM
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Armando Benitez was not a choker.
This was something I wrote on this topic sometime early in the 2003 season.
Myth: Armando Benitez sucks.
I believe that this sentiment is more of an exclamation uttered in the heat of the moment rather than an actual criticism of Armando. Even the harshest critic will admit that since he has taken over the reigns as closer for the New York Mets, few have been more successful than Armando. During the last three years, Armando has converted 90% of his save opportunities. Only 13 pitchers have recorded 100 saves since 1999. Of that group, only Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman have better save percentages. This guys is the goods...no doubt about it.
Myth: Armando Benitez may be a great closer, but he can’t hack it in the Post-Season.
Because of the overwhelming success he’s had in recent years, critics cannot realistically say that Armando hasn’t developed into one of the top closers in baseball. However, a good number of people believe that despite his recent success, Armando has demonstrated an inability to duplicate such success in the post-season. They argue that his strong regular seasons have been followed by meltdowns in October. True? Let’s take a look....
Now, it is important to note here that proponents of this theory often cite to Armando’’s post-season performance while pitching for Baltimore. This, of course, is a logical fallacy. If the argument is that dominant regular seasons are followed by underwhelming post-season, we should only examine those post-seasons that follow dominant regular seasons. His underwhelming post-seasons in Baltimore were to be expected, as he was, for the most part, an underwhelming regular season pitcher. Not so for his days in New York. As a Met, he’s been dominant in the regular season. Did that dominance carry over? Or was there some dropoff? To test this theory, we look at his post-seasons that followed his dominant regular seasons. Two such examples exist.
In 1999 Armando pitched 9 innings in the post-season and allowed one run. Though he was charged with a blown save, it was during a game in which he entered in the 8th inning and allowed an inherited runner to score. Armando did not allow a run in that game. All in all, it is clear that Armando’s excellent regular season was followed by an excellent post-season. The theory, does not appear to hold water in this instance.
In 2000, Armando Benitez pitched 9 innings and, this time, allowed 3 runs. Armando stumbled in this post-season as he converted only 2 of 4 save opportunities. We arrive upon the two games that provide the basis for this theory. Clearly, there has been a dropoff from regular season performance to post-season performance. Unfortunately, this “trend” is the result of two games. Now, perhaps this sample is enough to convince some that Armando has an inability to succeed in the post-season. For me, this sample is simply not large enough to be convincing.
In total, Armando has converted 3 of 6 post-season save opportunities and has an ERA of 2.00. We all remember similar arguments being made about Randy Johnson’’s inability to succeed in October...and what he did to such arguments in October of 2001. Or perhaps I am unconvinced because this “dropoff” in performance is not limited to Armando. Trevor Hoffman, Billy Wagner and Byung-Hyun Kim (closer for the 2001 World Champs) have combined to convert 6 of 11 save opportunities. Are we to believe that Armando, Trevor, Billy and BK are all chokers? Or is it possible that with more time, their numbers would even out with their peers who have had success in October? Draw what conclusions you will, but keep in mind this one nugget of information when considering small sample size. As I write this piece, Rey Ordonez’s batting average is nearly twice that of Mike Piazza’’s. Big Rey also has more HR and RBI....
Myth: Armando Benitez Sucks in September.
Fueled by the two September meltdowns against Atlanta in 2001, the theory has been offered that while Armando Benitez will mow down opponents from April through August, come September he will meltdown. This theory, is also false. Since 1999, Armando has converted 24 of 28 saves in the month of September for a save percentage of 86%. During that same period, he has converted 18 of 20 saves in April for a percentage of 90%. The big dropoff is, as the numbers indicate, simply untrue. Again, the critics seem to be basing their “trend” upon two games while ignoring the others in which Armando was successful. They have forgotten Armando’s strong Septembers during the stretch drives of 1999 and 2000. The rest of us, and the statistic books, have not.
Myth: Armando Benitez Sucks in “Big Games”.
And now, we have a last ditch effort by the Armando Critics to incorporate all of his memorable blown saves into one category...the famous “Big Game”. Essentially, the basis of all of the Armando criticism can be boiled down to four games: Game 2 of the 2000 NLDS (JT Snow HR), Game 1 of the 2000 WS (Yankees) and the two September games against the Braves in 2001. Unfortunately for the critics, since two were in the post-season and two were in the regular season, these failures of Armando do not fit nicely into one category. And so, they made one up. The ever-changing “Big Game” or alternatively, the “Big Spot”.
The problem, of course, with this theory, is that its proponents must define “Big Game” and show that Armando’s performance drops off in these types of situations. Clearly, simply blowing a save in a big situation cannot establish a trend. Even Mariano Rivera has blown saves in two series deciding games (Game 5 against the Indians in 1997 and Game 7 2001 WS)...and no one could argue he has a history of big game failures. Rather, in order to establish any sort of trend, we must find out how many big games Armando has pitched in, and what his measure of success has been.
And thus, we encounter the fatal flaw with this theory. The critics do not define their universe...they don’’t give you a number for how many “big games” Armando has pitched in. Now, I don’t contest that these four games were “big”. But how many big games have there been? And how has Armando performed in these “big” spots? Clearly, if these four games were the only ones the Mets had played in recent history, their case would be made. But such is not the case. The Mets played a bundle of big games in September of 1999...and Benitez was brilliant. In that same Braves series in 2001, Benitez has converted saves in the two prior games. Benitez has pitched in “big spots” in the post-season where he wasn’t in a position to convert a save...shouldn’t he be credited for these? Have we forgotten that neither the Grand Slam Single or the Agbayani Game-Winner would have been possible without scoreless innings from Armando? Had he allowed a run and taken the loss, wouldn’t these be offered as “Big Game Failures”?
Despite the failure of the critics to offer a number so a ratio can be measured, let’’s define “Big Game” for them for the sake of argument. It appears that the proponents of this theory are combining his post-season blown saves with his September blown saves. So, let’’s take a look at his success rate during this subset of games. Since 1999, Benitez has converted 27 of 34 save opportunities in September and the post-season for a save percentage of 79%. Now, there is some dropoff from his overall save percentage. Whether this difference is enough to be statistically significant may be up for debate. But it is clear that 79% is a far cry from the “meltdown” people have suggested.
Myth: Benitez beats up on the bad teams but struggles against the good ones.
Again, untrue. Benitez has converted 13 of 15 saves against Atlanta and the Yankees for a save percentage of 87%.
Next.
All in all, it seems as if the criticism of Armando Benitez is unwarranted. Rip into him if you like when he blows a save...it is the fan’s right to criticize. And no one can expect to be a closer in New York without hearing it from time to time. But make sure that your criticism is accurate. Don’t criticize for things that are myth. It’s tough enough to be a closer in this town as it is...they take a lot of heat for their actual failures. They shouldn’t have to take heat for failures that exist only in the minds of ill-informed fans.
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Centerfield
Oct 24 2005 10:49 AM
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Brantley's an idiot. Accusing someone of "falling in love" with one pitch or another is idiotic. Let's say a pitcher throws a fastball by a hitter for strike 1. If he throws a slider on his second pitch that gets hit for a HR, he will be accused of changing pitches "even after the hitter has demonstrated he can't hit the fastball". If he throws another fastball that gets hit for a HR, he "falls in love with one pitch." The problem is usually not the pitch selection, it's pitch quality. But analysts would sound awfully boring just repeating "well, he needs to make a better pitch..."
Couple other notes...am I the only one wishing Konerko would stop hitting these post-season HR's and driving his cost up?
Am I the only one wishing Billy Wagner wasn't out there blowing saves like Jenks and Lidge and thereby driving his price down?
Exactly twice in this post-season, I got the feeling fans were too giddy in the ninth inning...as if the thought of a blown save never entered their minds....Game 5 of the NLCS and last night.
Jose Freakin' Vizcaino. As if I needed to be reminded of that. I still say Turk made a good pitch there...
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 24 2005 11:09 AM
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It seems that the media always declares a national apathy for the post season once the Yankees are eliminated. It's much like network televisions coverage of the PGA; they seem to assume the viewing public only wishes to watch and hear about Tiger Woods, no matter how far out of contention he may be.
This has been an exciting post season thus far. The first two games of the World Series have been particularly enjoyable games to watch.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 24 2005 11:13 AM
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sniff
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 24 2005 11:14 AM
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Can someone please get Scarlett a tissue? I think she has a cold.
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Elster88
Oct 24 2005 11:28 AM
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| ]Jose Freakin' Vizcaino. As if I needed to be reminded of that. I still say Turk made a good pitch there... |
Elster88 too! Elster88 was surprised it took McCarver so long (about 30 seconds) to jam that one down his throat.
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Elster88
Oct 24 2005 11:31 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
It seems that the media always declares a national apathy for the post season once the Yankees are eliminated. It's much like network televisions coverage of the PGA; they seem to assume the viewing public only wishes to watch and hear about Tiger Woods, no matter how far out of contention he may be.
This has been an exciting post season thus far. The first two games of the World Series have been particularly enjoyable games to watch. |
Ratings are 30% down. It probably is in part due to the Red Sox and the Yanks not being in it, thought that's most likely because there are less people in New York and Boston watching, not because of a larger lack of interest at the national level.
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metirish
Oct 24 2005 11:49 AM
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One of the good things about Wilma is that it's keeping Lou Piniella out of the TV Booth...Chicago is the second biggest market in the Country and Houston the fourth, this series should do ok and if it extends to seven games with the same quaility as the first two games then it will do just fine.
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MFS62
Oct 24 2005 12:09 PM
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metirish wrote:
One of the good things about Wilma is that it's keeping Lou Piniella out of the TV Booth... |
How?
Do you mean the weight of Lou's fat arse is going to keep the State of Florida from blowing away?
JK
I know, he probably stayed home to be with his family.
Later
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 24 2005 12:22 PM
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Okay, I am gulity of listening to too much talk radio when it comes to Benitez, and mostly the anti-Armando talk started after the 2001 final series of the season meltdown (and I kind of took a break from the Internet Met Community at that point for about two years)
It is possible, now that I think of it, that alot of the Anti-Benitez sentiment in the media came from what he did to Tino as an Oriole, and at that point, 2001, the media had enough of a sample size to go after him.
Now that I think of it, you never heard ANY of his Baltimore meltdowns in arguments for Benitez NOT being the closer over Franco, seemed like nearly 100% of media/callers wanted Benitez to be the official closer in 1999
But I'd rather use the Eck, Goose and Mo examples of closers considered "The Best Ever In The Big Spot" who have very epic "meltdowns" on their ledgers
Steve
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sharpie
Oct 24 2005 12:26 PM
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So ratings are down 30% from last year but the games are more than 30% better than last year's World Series which frankly was a bore.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 24 2005 02:00 PM
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"Chicago is the second biggest market in the Country and Houston the fourth"
Splitting hairs a bit here, but while they are the 3rd (Chicago) and 4th largest cities in the country, Houston only ranks as the 10th largest market (as judged by size of metropolitan area, number of TV sets available, etc.).
I don't get bent out of shape over this stuff anyway. The networks' share of the total viewership goes down every year as consumer choices go up and if people (and media types) want to miss or constantly put down the series simply for it's lack of "glamour" teams then that's their problem.
Also, that 30% number is just a comparison (and all these are just estimates anyway) of game 1 vs game 1 last year. The verdict on the whole series isn't in yet.
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Willets Point
Oct 24 2005 02:09 PM
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I don't know how tv markets are measured but according to this source Chicago is the 3rd largest metro area with 9,333,511 people and Houston the 8th with 5,075,733. Compared to last year Boston is the 11th largest metro area and St. Louis the 18th, so in the home teams areas alone there is already a bigger potential audience. Obviously both the Red Sox and Cardinals have large followings nationwide that this year's teams probably don't have.
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metirish
Oct 24 2005 02:23 PM
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Thanks for the correction FK, I knew I had that mixed up.
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Centerfield
Oct 24 2005 02:38 PM
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Btw, when Clemens wussed out in Game 1, did anyone think about the way he blew up at the ump in Game 4 of the 1990 ALCS? That was when Clemens was ejected in the second inning after giving up the lead and then left his bullpen to work their way out of the bases loaded one out situation. If I ever hear again about what a "gamer" that fuckhead is I'll lose it...
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Willets Point
Oct 24 2005 02:40 PM
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He asked out of Game 6 of the '86 World Series too.
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Edgy DC
Oct 24 2005 02:41 PM
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That's exactly what I was thinking of. Both of those instances.
I say he pitches again in this series.
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Willets Point
Oct 24 2005 02:44 PM
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He also once got in a fit of roid rage and threw a shard of broken bat at a baserunner in the first inning of a World Series game. Somehow he did not get ejected for that, although WS history may be different had the umps had the cajones to do so.
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Edgy DC
Oct 24 2005 02:47 PM
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What's your source?
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Willets Point
Oct 24 2005 02:49 PM
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There's a pic of the incident. The rest is my own supposition.
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Edgy DC
Oct 24 2005 02:51 PM
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Wow! What a fierce competitor!
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metirish
Oct 24 2005 02:54 PM
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It was such an honour to watch one of the great competitors of the game pitch into the second inning the other night.
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Willets Point
Oct 24 2005 02:56 PM
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Now, you cut that out!
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Centerfield
Oct 24 2005 02:57 PM
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The 2000 World Series needed Phil Cuzzi.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 24 2005 03:07 PM
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Willets Point wrote:
He also once got in a fit of roid rage and threw a shard of broken bat at a baserunner in the first inning of a World Series game. Somehow he did not get ejected for that, although WS history may be different had the umps had the cajones to do so. |
MK definitely attributes Fuckface's bat shard throwing behavior to steriods.
That kid is my source - he's very bright.
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Edgy DC
Oct 24 2005 03:11 PM
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I wasn't challenging the roidy stuff, just a-joking about Willets playfully reporting as if we missed the incident.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 24 2005 03:11 PM
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I know. I'm just playing along.
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Centerfield
Oct 24 2005 03:14 PM
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I just checked. WhereisRoger.com is no longer. A shame. It was a wonderful site.
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 24 2005 07:24 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Brantley's an idiot. Accusing someone of "falling in love" with one pitch or another is idiotic. Let's say a pitcher throws a fastball by a hitter for strike 1. If he throws a slider on his second pitch that gets hit for a HR, he will be accused of changing pitches "even after the hitter has demonstrated he can't hit the fastball". If he throws another fastball that gets hit for a HR, he "falls in love with one pitch." The problem is usually not the pitch selection, it's pitch quality. But analysts would sound awfully boring just repeating "well, he needs to make a better pitch..."
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Add that to the fact that most closers only throw one or two pitches. Mariano Rivera has built an entire legacy on just his cutter, hate to use another MFY but Sparky Lyle threw nothing BUT a slider, and I could go on, and on, and on...
That really is shoddy and lazy analysis right there.
He got beat with his best stuff, plain and simple.
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 24 2005 07:31 PM
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Wonder if that HR shut every MFY fan crying about how Posednik of all people beat out Jeter for that 32nd man voting for the AS game.
Gee, maybe he really DID deserve to be on the All Star Game...
I mean I've heard people actually claim that it was a giant Anti-Yankee, Anti-Jeter conpiracy that a White Sox won the voting
Probably was, but still leave it to MFY fans to whimper instead of ya know, DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
I'll put this on another thread as its a completely seperate topic, but I had an enitre breakdown of Yankee AS selections by fan voting since 1970, and in general, MFY fans, don't "rock the vote" so in theory, they can do something besides whining about their guys not getting voted in
Steve
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Nymr83
Oct 24 2005 07:34 PM
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| ]Gee, maybe he really DID deserve to be on the All Star Game... |
he did, but his performance now has nothing to do with that. the fan voting is what it is and theres not much you can do, but the reserves should be picked based solely on their stats up until that point of the year.
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 24 2005 07:40 PM
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Nymr83 wrote:
| ]Gee, maybe he really DID deserve to be on the All Star Game... |
he did, but his performance now has nothing to do with that. the fan voting is what it is and theres not much you can do, but the reserves should be picked based solely on their stats up until that point of the year. |
I know, I'm just poking fun at that whole Jeter vs Posednik thing, especially considering what Posednik is doing in what is considered Jeter's "domain" of October Baseball
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Johnny Dickshot
Oct 24 2005 11:03 PM
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Paul Lukas on the series:
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/051024[/url]
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Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 07:58 AM
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Paul Lukas, a lifelong Mets fan, still hasn't fully recovered from the 2000 World Series (not because the Mets lost, but because they wore their horrific black jerseys in Games 1 and 4, and didn't wear their blue caps even once).
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Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 09:19 PM
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A guy who looks like Francis Buxton from Pee Wee's Big Adventure just helped the 'Stros get a walk by legally interfering with a foul pop.
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Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 09:34 PM
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Looks like Barbara Bush is sitting behind home plate, but escorted by one of her sons (Neil?) and not her hubby.
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Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 09:52 PM
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Posting alone here.
Forced quirkiness in ballpark design is looking silly right now.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 25 2005 09:57 PM
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It always looks silly.
One day someone is going to rip up an ankle on that stupid hill.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 25 2005 10:12 PM
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Chicago has come alive in the top of the 5th and have taken a 5-4 lead.
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Zvon
Oct 25 2005 10:39 PM
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ScarletKnight41 wrote:
Chicago has come alive in the top of the 5th and have taken a 5-4 lead. |
Im kinda in shock that the Sox took the lead. I thought Oswalt was cruisin.
It coulda been way worse tho....Houstons still in it.
But 5 runs in one inning? Off Oswalt....
OUCH
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metirish
Oct 25 2005 11:24 PM
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What was the answer to the trivia question?...NY has had the most WS games, what State comes in second?.....
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Frayed Knot
Oct 25 2005 11:31 PM
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I dunno, I missed the answer too.
Missouri's had a bunch. Many for the Cards plus one (only one I think) for the old St Louie Browns.
But I figure it's gotta be California by now.
Dodgers in '59, several times in the '60s, '77 & '78, '81 & '88 (grr)
Giants just twice in SF I think: '62 & '89
Padres twice: '84 & '98
Three in a row by the A's: 72, 73, 74 -- plus '89 & '90
And the Angels in '02
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Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 11:34 PM
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Missouri was the answer. I guessed Ohio.
I was, therefore, wrong.
Dustin Hermanson? Can Timo be far behind?
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metirish
Oct 25 2005 11:37 PM
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Thnaks guys for the answer, I thought they didn't give the answer...and we have a game again...great series...
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Zvon
Oct 25 2005 11:43 PM
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metirish wrote:
Thnaks guys for the answer, I thought they didn't give the answer...and we have a game again...great series... |
Yea,another great ballgame here.
It would be ashame if the Asstros end up on the short end of this one......
How about that strange outfield wall configuration they have,with the yellow crime tape running all up and down and over the wall out there.
Who the hell came up with that layout?!
The hill in center was silly enuff,lol.
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metirish
Oct 25 2005 11:47 PM
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IIRC the Mets have been involved in a few weird calls at MMP since it opened because of that yellow line....and that hill is the dumbest thing ever, and it's dangerous..
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Zvon
Oct 25 2005 11:52 PM
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metirish wrote:
IIRC the Mets have been involved in a few weird calls at MMP since it opened because of that yellow line....and that hill is the dumbest thing ever, and it's dangerous.. |
I agree....ever see a player run up and down one a those warm up mounds they have in some stadiums,off on the side in foul territory.
You can see how it effects a players stride and how one could get easily injured in that area.
But at least thats foul territory.
I like a ballpark with quirks, but that hill is just plain stupid.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 25 2005 11:55 PM
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The one thing I pray for above all else in the new Shea is that the layout doesn't lend itself to ambiguous Home Runs.
'Yellow Lines' are stupid and even moreso when they're vertical ones like they have in parts of LF in Houston.
Shea actually did have lines in the corners until they adjusted the fences sometime (mid '70s ??)
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Zvon
Oct 25 2005 11:57 PM
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="Frayed Knot"] when they're vertical ones
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lmao,...really. Theres no vertical in baseball.
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Zvon
Oct 25 2005 11:58 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Shea actually did have lines in the corners until they adjusted the fences sometime (mid '70s ??) |
You mean around standing room?...that area?
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 25 2005 11:58 PM
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For safety reasons alone, i think the hill in CF should be taken out. I'm also not a fan of 315 foot home runs. Most high school fields I have seen are longer down the line than LF in Houston.
I would imagine the amenities at Minute Maid Park are far greater than those at the Astrodome. I definitely prefer the real grass field over Astroturf, but I'm just not crazy with the outfield configuration of the Astros new home. The silly hill in CF, the short dimensions down the lines, and home runs over lines (rather than over fences) that rebound onto the playing field are all facets that I personally don't like about Minute Maid Park..
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 12:04 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
For safety reasons alone, i think the hill in CF should be taken out. I'm also not a fan of 315 foot home runs. Most high school fields I have seen are longer down the line than LF in Houston.
I would imagine the amenities at Minute Maid Park are far greater than those at the Astrodome. I definitely prefer the real grass field over Astroturf, but I'm just not crazy with the outfield configuration of the Astros new home. The silly hill in CF, the short dimensions down the lines, and home runs over lines (rather than over fences) that rebound onto the playing field are all facets that I personally don't like about Minute Maid Park.. |
Yep. The Orange Crate aint no Camden Yard.
WOW
Burke steals 3rd...thats huge
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 12:06 AM
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"You mean around standing room?...that area?"
Yes. The "shell" of the stadium served as the wall in the corners where the standing room is. Later on they continued the fences and set them 3 ft in front. The orig distance was 341' to each corner - plus the line designating an HR was a few feet higher than the otherwise uniform fence.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 12:10 AM
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No way I would pitch to Berkman in this situation. I'd make Ensberg be the guy to beat me if I'm the Sox.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 12:15 AM
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="Frayed Knot"]"You mean around standing room?...that area?"
Yes. The "shell" of the stadium served as the wall in the corners where the standing room is. Later on they continued the fences and set them 3 ft in front. The orig distance was 341' to each corner - plus the line designating an HR was a few feet higher than the otherwise uniform fence. |
Yep..I remember how it was set up. The area behind left of that (facing it) ,..the corner of the bullpen area, but the fence further back_ thats where we used to scale the fence and sneak into ball games in the early 70's.
Never got busted doin that once (only did it probly a dozen times),...and sometimes cops saw us,...they just turned their backs.
Thats the same way everyone snuck out on to the field during the overnight stay waiting on the ticket line for playoff tickets in '73.
.......afew did get busted that night tho.lol.
We were playin football in centerfield in the dark.
Good times :)
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 12:16 AM
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Wow! Ensberg goes down swinging with the bases loaded to end the Astros ninth.
Another great game. On to extra innings.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 12:18 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
No way I would pitch to Berkman in this situation. I'd make Ensberg be the guy to beat me if I'm the Sox. |
they did and he didnt.
Why am I feeling angst?
This aint a Met game.....
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 12:19 AM
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FREE BASEBALL!!!!
Sox def have a deeper staff that'll help them in games like this. Houston might have a better top 3 (arguable) but in 4th starters (Backe v Garcia) and 5th (El Ducky vs Rodriguez) the Sox rool. Plus I think they have a deeper pen.
One the other hand, games like these are really tough on the road team.
Once you don't score in the top of the inning, you realize you have to hold them in the bottom half ... then score in yours ... then hold them again. It's very mentally draining.
The home team though knows that each and every pitch could be a game winner for them ... particularly with the Crawford Boxes out there.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 12:23 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 26 2005 12:28 AM
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Geraldo at Large
Among dumb and insulting ideas from FOX, I guess it ranks behind When Animals Attack, but not much else.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 12:26 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Geraldo at Large
Among dumb and insulting ideas from FOX, I guess it ranks behind When Animals Attack, but not much else. |
lmao...
and how can u take a training coach serious if he's built like Fatty Arbuckle......
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 12:29 AM
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I missed the Widger/Piersynski swap.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 12:46 AM
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Isn't this great?
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 12:48 AM
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The Astros guess right, but Podsednik still steals second base despite the pitch out.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 12:50 AM
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ya gotta walk Kernerko here......
hey!
TIMO TIME!
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 12:51 AM
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Yup.
It's up to Timo.
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SI Metman
Oct 26 2005 01:17 AM
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speaking of that horrid Game 1, this one is about to pass it for longest World Series game in time length.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:19 AM
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ya know,..I was watching the game over my buddy's place earlier and around 10 oclock he says "hey dude,..I gotta crash."...and I was all "WHAT?!,..this is the World Series!" and he was like: "this aint the Phils" (he's a Philly fan).
Ha....good thing he did make me run home then.
ITS FREAKIN 1:20am!
Lmao.
Still,...he's a wuss.
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Willets Point
Oct 26 2005 01:20 AM
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Bottom of the 12th. If the Astros don't score here, under new MLB rules the teams go to a homerun hitting shootout.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:27 AM
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Willets Point wrote:
Bottom of the 12th. If the Astros don't score here, under new MLB rules the teams go to a homerun hitting shootout. |
:) :) :)
.......Im afraid they just might try that someday.
Well,...1st theyll go back to a 154 game season and add 2 more playoff rounds.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:29 AM
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...I do like that in hockey tho.
But Im not as attached to the game as I am with baseball.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:41 AM
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Vizciano was the one who ended that game,...now officially the old record for longest game time wise in WS history.
He draws a no out walk in the 13th.
Maybe he's involved in the end of this one too.
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SI Metman
Oct 26 2005 01:49 AM
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on to the 14th. My lord.
I don't know how much longer I can go..
Astacio coming in. I think the Sox will make a rush here with the heart of the lineup.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 01:50 AM
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On to the 14th we go. I can't believe I'm still up, but this is too good of a game to just give up and go to bed.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:50 AM
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no go.....we go to the 14th.
And the Sox have the meat of the order up......
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:53 AM
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OMG!
what a play by Ensberg....WOWZERS
that was huge
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 01:55 AM
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Jeff Blum goes deep for the White Sox!
Sox lead 6-5 in the top of the 14th.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 01:55 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 26 2005 01:57 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Sox def have a deeper staff that'll help them in games like this. |
I think FK made the call here. (i think he typed that yesterday....)
Geoff Blum goes yard in the White sox half of the 14th.
6-5, Chicago
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SI Metman
Oct 26 2005 01:55 AM
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and of course the next guy homers. Who didn't see that one coming?
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SI Metman
Oct 26 2005 01:57 AM
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It's the 14th inning. Does Houston still have Billy Hatcher on the bench?
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 02:00 AM
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| ="SI Metman"]It's the 14th inning. Does Houston still have Billy Hatcher on the bench? |
lol....
you force me to give out another baseball card....
 
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Willets Point
Oct 26 2005 02:02 AM
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Crap, SI, I was just going to ask who would be the Billy Hatcher that will tie this game up again. Stop reading my mind. :)
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 02:04 AM
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Awwwwww..
Astacio walks in a run. How anti climactic. :(
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 02:06 AM
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Astacio walks Widger to force in a run.
The Sox lead 7-5 and are still batting with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the 14th.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 02:08 AM
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what the hell is the deal with Astacio's face!????
Yikes.
Its not Halloween for afew more weeks.....
K...i shouldnt joke....
But wtf ?
Maybe its these glasses. They are really only for reading.
They tend to make faces on TV look,......blotchy.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 02:11 AM
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cripes,...all these Sox pitchers can bring it.
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Willets Point
Oct 26 2005 02:14 AM
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C'mon 'Stros! (Yeah, I'm switching sides for the sake of the Series).
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Willets Point
Oct 26 2005 02:17 AM
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Is Ausmus a Hatcher? The Astros hope so.
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SI Metman
Oct 26 2005 02:17 AM
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holy crap.
E6.
Mark Buerhle in to get the final out against Adam Everett.
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 02:19 AM
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Astros are tryin their best to keep it alive ....
And errors,...they kill. !st & third on a walk and an error, 2 out, and the Sox are bringin in Buehrle.
Am i counting this right.....both teams together have used 17 pitchers?
Wowzereeno
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 02:21 AM
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SOX WIN!............ .dagnabbitt.
great game!
very enjoyable.
Sure looks bleak for the Stro's tho.
Im running for the exit to beat the traffic out of the parkin lot........
*Z takes off>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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SI Metman
Oct 26 2005 02:21 AM
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Game 3 to Chicago.
Goin for the sweep later tonight.
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Willets Point
Oct 26 2005 02:24 AM
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The Astros seem to good to be swept, but it may just happen I guess.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 08:22 AM
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I fell asleep.
Did Mrs. Bush outlast me?
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metirish
Oct 26 2005 09:45 AM
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[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-bbo-world-series-changing-diversity,0,355559.story]Astros have no Black Players[/url]
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 10:10 AM
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Tough to win when you only get [u:0940597d92]one hit after the 4th inning[/u:0940597d92] - Lane's 2RBI double in the 8th. And if that hit gets into the corner instead of taking the funky bounce it probably scores another run and Houston wins (assuming the fallacy of pre-determined conclusions theory).
Lane's "HR" in the 4th was the 2nd to last hit.
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sharpie
Oct 26 2005 10:14 AM
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Hadn't realized that Houston has no black players. Joe Morgan's been speaking out on this for some time - good for him.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 10:21 AM
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You didn't realize it because Joe Morgan is wrong. Willy Taveras isn't exactly a Dutchman.
And Pedro Astacio sure looked Sub-Saharan African-complected when he played for the Mets.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 26 2005 10:22 AM
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What a gamer!
(excuse me while I barf.....)
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sharpie
Oct 26 2005 10:33 AM
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| ]And Pedro Astacio sure looked Sub-Saharan African-complected when he played for the Mets. |
Pedro is a Padre. Ezequiel Astacio is a 'Stro.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 10:46 AM
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How about that? I'm way wrong, but right, because, Zeke still qualifies in my dirty little race-conscious book, even if he's, you know, not Pedro.
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Rotblatt
Oct 26 2005 11:14 AM
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Please, for the love of God, win a game, Houston.
They're already starting their "the American League is SO much better than the National League" talk over at SoSH, which annoys me to no freaking end. I mean, for Christ's sake, these games have all been close and could easily have gone either way.
At this point, I'm rooting for the Astros to win it all, because not only would it silence those "AL uber all" jackasses, but it would ALSO push the Red Sox's comeback last season into the background.
Show a little pride, Houston, and win tonight.
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sharpie
Oct 26 2005 11:19 AM
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I think the point they're making is that there are no African Americans on the 'Stros. Taveras and Astacio are Dominicans.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 11:26 AM
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To which I'd reply that AP (and not really Morgan) is using a pretty narrow and insulting definition of the word "black."
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MFS62
Oct 26 2005 01:39 PM
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This reminds me of the pre-Jackie Robinson days when major league teams tried to bring in Black players and pass them off as Latin-American (I think many were called "Cuban").
The book "Only the Ball Was White" , I think the author was named Peterson, talks about this. I read the book about 20-30 years ago when it first came out, so I can't quote chapter and verse.
Later
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 02:00 PM
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I was up too late last night. I have a point to make and I'm making it all wrong.
The real problem, which the AP article only hints at, isn't really the fault of Houston. Yeah, they can do something about it, so can MLB. But the greater forces are societal forces outside of their control.
Joe Morgan seems to know that, but that's not the angle that the writer, or, more particularly, his editor headlline writer.
And the headline writer is probably from Newsday and not AP at all.
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SwitchHitter
Oct 26 2005 03:07 PM
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It's not like the Astros have never had African-American players on the 25-man roster. They just don't right now. And the reason people are noticing is because they're in the World Series. There shouldn't be racial quotas in baseball so I'm not even sure why people are bringing it up. And I'm certain there are some AA players on the 40-man roster--they just happen to play in the minors. (Charlton Jimerson leaps to mind, waving both arms--I saw him go yard in Corpus Christi.)
This is Charlton Jimerson at AAA Round Rock.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 03:57 PM
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The point of Morgan's comments and the article in general isn't to demean the Astros org for intentionally dodging black ballplayers; it's that the absence of black-Americans from their current roster serves as a symbol for the shrinking presence of blacks in baseball.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 04:04 PM
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Agreed for the large part (and I said as much above), but misleading are the headline, "Astros Roster Has No Black Players" and the writer's statement, "The Astros are the first World Series team in more than a half-century with a roster that doesn't include a single black player"
Misleading or just wrong, and it's further exacerbated by pointing out that there are hispanics on the roster, without noting that some of them are Afro-hispanics.
The story is also 20 years old. The eighties Mets were widely criticized for their lack of blacks after Kevin Mitchell disappeared after 1986 and Raffy Santana after 1987. Of course many of those criticisms didn't count Santana as black either.
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sharpie
Oct 26 2005 04:10 PM
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Spike Lee mentioned Mets lack of black players in one of his movies (either Do the Right Thing or Jungle Fever). Then he switched sides to the evil empire. And he moved out of Brooklyn. I used to live near him and he always said hi to my kids when they were in strollers. He is dead to me now.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 04:11 PM
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Jungle Fever.
He played a guy with a gambling problem but he refused to bet on the Mets because he thought they were dodging blacks.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 08:49 PM
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I see Mrs. Bush is being escorted by ol' 41 himself tonight.
Didn't think she'd have it in her to come back out tonight.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 09:50 PM
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Backe pulling changes out of his ear and whiffing the side.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 10:08 PM
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Backe has a clinic going on.
Struck that last guy out twice, for five in a row.
Freddy Garcia, of all people, stops him from getting a share of the World Series record.
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mlbaseballtalk
Oct 26 2005 10:33 PM
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And the "experts" pegged this to be the game that the Sox had the decided, overwhelming edge starting pitching wise!
To borrow what has become John Sterling's favorite line to describe such things as Randy Johnson getting lit up for 4 HRs in an inning or the Yanks getting swept by the Royals and the Devil Rays
"You can't figure baseball out! heh heh heh!"
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 10:54 PM
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Wow, Rowand just pulled a Timo, of sorts.
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seawolf17
Oct 26 2005 10:58 PM
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Is there no one in this country who can actually sing "God Bless America"? I think it's time to retire this song gracefully during ballgames; I'm done with it.
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metirish
Oct 26 2005 11:03 PM
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] fell asleep.
Did Mrs. Bush outlast me? |
Yes she did, Joe Buck said she stayed for the whole game, bless her..I'm with seawolf...can the singers just sing the song ...Ronan Tynan does a good job but he's a MFY and he's over-used in that role...although not this year thankfully.
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metirish
Oct 26 2005 11:06 PM
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Backe is out, Bagwell is hitting for him, Backe was brilliant...
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 11:14 PM
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The last thing I expected tonight was an 0-0 tie going into the 8th.
Another great ballgame.
I would really hate for this to be the last game of 2005.
Come on Astros......
Put something together.
Lidge,..hold em.
As I type the Sox get a lead off single and bunt the runner over.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 11:15 PM
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Backe is an energetic little bastard innt he?
Lidge in for a tie game in the 8th ... must be 'no tomorrow' time
I find Everett hitting for Iguchi a bit odd - he grounds out.
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metirish
Oct 26 2005 11:19 PM
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Sox take the lead....Dye has had a great series, Ozzie making all the right moves..
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Zvon
Oct 26 2005 11:19 PM
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son
of
a beeatch.
Sox play small ball and put something together.
Off Lidge too,....damn.
damn.damn.damn.damn.damn.damn.
1-0 Chicago. 2 more innings for the Astros to work with.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 26 2005 11:34 PM
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Lidge has had a rough post season.
Ensberg has had a nightmare of a World Series offensively. Not a good time for slumps from your stars.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 11:34 PM
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A timely hit ot two could have turned any of the first 3 games in Houston's favor.
Here's comes another spot now that'll likely either make this interesting or kill the series.
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metirish
Oct 26 2005 11:38 PM
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And it's our old friend Vizciano...and this time he fails....I was hoping for a seven gamer..
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 11:45 PM
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So, is Lidge a choker or worthy of a Benitez label yet?
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 11:51 PM
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Jenks in to face Lane, Ausmus & Everett.
One or both of Ausmus/Everett will be PH'd for I'm sure.
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Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 11:54 PM
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Lane flares a single to center.
Looks like the Chicago secondbaseman pulled up too soon.
He's bifled to second.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2005 11:58 PM
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C'mon fans, you can't let him catch that!!!
Helluva play though.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 27 2005 12:02 AM
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We may have just seen the closest 4-game sweep ever.
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metirish
Oct 27 2005 12:05 AM
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Yeah you could be right FK..congrats to the Sox, no more are they the second team in the second City..
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Edgy DC
Oct 27 2005 12:06 AM
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Uribe should get MVP on those last two plays alone.
And applause to the Houston fans for letting him go in and get it.
And hey, Joe Crede, don't go running to tell everybody he caught it. Help him get off his face while there's a runner lookin' to go a-runnin'.
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metirish
Oct 27 2005 12:09 AM
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I think I heard Buck say Dye is the MVP...but yeah Uribe made two special plays, that's big time .
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Zvon
Oct 27 2005 12:11 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
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yea,all the games were good baseball.
No more baseball tho.....
woe is me.
I guess Ill fire up EA-MVP baseball on playstation.
Dye gets the MVP.
He did deserve it.
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Zvon
Oct 27 2005 12:16 AM
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HEY!..im George Theodore today!
and I am honored.
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Zvon
Oct 27 2005 12:17 AM
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say goodnight Gracie...
Goodnight Gracie.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 27 2005 12:30 AM
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So when's Opening Day?
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SwitchHitter
Oct 27 2005 01:25 AM
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I just want to take a moment to say y'all Mets fans are a classy bunch. No one here is gigging me because my team lost. That is not true in other non-Astros forums I frequent. I love y'all.
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ScarletKnight41
Oct 27 2005 07:06 AM
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We love you too, Annie.
I wasn't rooting for your team (solely because of Clemens), but I know you're a true baseball fan and that you're hurting today. Take pride in the fact that your team made it to the Show - they done good!
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seawolf17
Oct 27 2005 07:12 AM
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Annie, two things: one, your team fought well and it was a good series, and two, Mets fans aren't usually ones to needlessly blast other team's failures... unless those other teams are the MFYs and Braves.
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KC
Oct 27 2005 07:24 AM
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It was a nice run Annie and a remarkable season considering how dead
the 'stros looked earlier in the year.
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MFS62
Oct 27 2005 07:38 AM
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I like the Sox - They remind me of all winning teams - they have defense and timely hitting.
Incidentally, Edgy, Mike amd Mike (ESPN radio) were talking about a great column in today's Washington Post about how in the last 365 days, baseball has repaid most of its outstanding "debts".
Was it as good as they said it was?
Later
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Willets Point
Oct 27 2005 07:54 AM
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Fuck! I fell asleep during the game! And now baseball season is over. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Congratulations to the White Sox. 11-1 in the postseason is pretty dominant even if it doesn't indicate how close many of those games were. All the more impressive that they managed to win all but one.
Annie, your Astros have nothing to be ashamed of. For a sweep this was a highly competitive and exciting series and the Astros were in every game unlike the Cards last year who were pretty much shut down after game one. And those Houston fans are awfully polite to allow Uribe in there.
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Willets Point
Oct 27 2005 08:19 AM
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Edgy was the first here to give props to the the White Sox back in August.
Where's Farmer Ted now for the report from Chicago?
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Johnny Dickshot
Oct 27 2005 08:57 AM
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]Fuck! I fell asleep during the game! And now baseball season is over. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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Me too.
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Edgy DC
Oct 27 2005 09:32 AM
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My props came from a PoV of ignorance, though.
Even cooler in that, during Cleveland's amazing run, the writers were starting to write the stories about the Sox accomplishing the biggest tank job since 1964.
Not quite.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 27 2005 09:46 AM
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The only thing wrong from my intitial "scouting report" on that linked post:
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- They pitch well. Real well.
- Ozzie loves the small ball better'n Willie ever dreamed of.
- Posednik's running wild but gets thrown out alot.
- This Rowland guy can play the heck out of CF and their defense overall is good
- No one in the lineup hits .300
- Their 2nd sacker Iguchi is what we hoped Kaz would be
- Big Hurt is likely out for the season with another ... well, big hurt of some kind
- I'm not sure if they'll hit enough. They don't have a ton of power so they need their hits in bunches and when they don't get 'em they'll lose while out-hitting the Yanx 9-4 like they did tonight.
- Who's older: El Ducky or Contreras?
- Dustin Hermanson was terrible closing for the Giants last year but is good this year. Can he be trusted in October?
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... is that they hit for more power than I credited them for. Only 1 true top HR hitter (Konerko) but a bunch of mid-power guys surrounding him.
And then as Jenks stepped in where Hermanson had been their bullpen became even stronger. Not often that you see a manager with 5 deep in the pen that he trusts in all kinds of spots. Relative unknowns like Politte & Cotts had some terrific numbers.
And so while 'Conventional wisdom' had them as paper tigers during much of the year as ALCentral winners had been in the past, including the end of the reg season they finished up 17-1 which is enough to be considered legit in any season.
So how big a share does Shinjo Takatsu get??
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Frayed Knot
Oct 27 2005 10:41 AM
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[url=http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/a-pennant-flies-in-chicago/]Nice Summary[/url] of the cast of characters who made up the ChiSox season.
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Elster88
Oct 27 2005 10:42 AM
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| ]For the first time in four years, a Wild Card team didn’t win the World Series. |
Weird.
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Edgy DC
Oct 27 2005 11:13 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 27 2005 10:38 PM
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Ozzie, by the way, is a big kid. Every time he gave a shout-out to Venezuela, he seemed to laugh to himself like he just got away with something.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 27 2005 09:28 PM
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This was one of the better and most closely contested World Series in years. This World Series was what championship baseball is supposed to be like. A wonderful seriesfor fans of the game. It's too bad it had to come to an end.
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Willets Point
Oct 27 2005 10:14 PM
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It's not over for the White Sox as Fox has scheduled another series.
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OlerudOwned
Oct 27 2005 10:21 PM
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Willets Point wrote:
It's not over for the White Sox as Fox has scheduled another series. |
I wonder if that's the work of sportspickler DJ Gallo
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Centerfield
Oct 28 2005 03:58 PM
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Oh and before I forget...what on earth is wrong with Aaron Neville? Did anyone else hear that version of "God Bless America"? Good lord Aaron sucks.
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metirish
Oct 28 2005 03:59 PM
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It looked to me that he had a dose of the shakes, nerves?..
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