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Mets and Reyes

metirish Nov 03 2010 03:51 PM

@AdamRubinESPNMets exercise $11 million option on Jose Reyes. Will not prevent contract talks about longer-term deal. Discuss

attgig Nov 03 2010 03:55 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

woohoo!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 03 2010 03:57 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Buttoffcurse.

smg58 Nov 03 2010 04:03 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Last year's injury kept Reyes from even reaching Type B status, so this is the wrong year to let him walk. I kind of like not being committed for more than a year at this point, though.

metirish Nov 03 2010 04:09 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Money wise he's not woth it, I can't see him pulling down this kind of twine per year in any new contract.

Ceetar Nov 03 2010 04:19 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Sandy's been busy, and will be busy. things like extensions can be worked out during a slower time.

Fman99 Nov 03 2010 04:58 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Good stuff.

metirish Nov 03 2010 06:29 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Rubin says if he were a betting man he would bet that Reyes will not sign an extension during the season and go to free agency. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... -long-term

Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2010 07:22 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

That would suck.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2010 07:56 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

metirish wrote: Rubin says if he were a betting man he would bet that Reyes will not sign an extension during the season and go to free agency. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... -long-term Edgy says that Rubin isn't the reporter he used to be, when he would go out and work to uncover hard-to-find facts rather than engage in idle and provocative speculation.

Ashie62 Nov 03 2010 08:49 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

So the Mets will have Reyes in a walk year? Could get funky around 7/31/2011.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2010 08:53 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Rubin also bet that Backman would be skipper back in July before cryptically retreating. Although, if I were Jose Jose, I might wanna see what I'm worth too.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2010 09:05 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Ashie62 wrote: So the Mets will have Reyes in a walk year? Could get funky around 7/31/2011. I ain't lookin' to see that. The only funk I'm focused on in late July is the funk the rest of the division is in looking at thier double-digit defecit in the standings. If you were Jose, would you put all your chips on this season, knowing the seasons you've lost to long-term injuries? If the Mets offer me a generous mid-term package, I take a good long look at it if I'm a Reyes.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2010 09:06 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Jose turns 28 next season and is currently coming off an OK season preceded by a missed/injured one. He'd almost be a fool not to think that he stands a pretty good chance at being in a better contract position a year from now.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2010 09:13 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

His pretty good season was interrupted also. I don't think there's anything particularly foolish in being concerned that one injury could ruin his long-term security. What would you offer him?

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2010 09:22 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

I honestly don't know at this point. Originally I thought he'd be underpaid by the time this option rolled around but that's not so clear right now. What's good is that at his age you'd be less worried about the years of the contract than the dollars. Usually I'm the other way around on that. And speaking of short-stops and contracts, the Yanx let it leak today that the Jeter negotiations "could get messy". Don't know if that's just before-the-fact public relations or if it means that the sides have exchanged preliminary figures and they discovered that they're several football fields apart.

Gwreck Nov 03 2010 11:15 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: His pretty good season was interrupted also. I don't think there's anything particularly foolish in being concerned that one injury could ruin his long-term security. What would you offer him? 5 years, $45 million.

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 06:12 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

I don't think that's gonna get it done. That's still lining up behind Oliver Perez on payday. If that's what he's being offered, yeah, I guess he does play out his walk year.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2010 06:30 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

I would think that any contract that Jose gets would have some incentives, based on games played, built in. Reduces the risk somewhat if he's injury plagued, but rewards him for the upside if he isn't.

seawolf17 Nov 04 2010 07:19 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: His pretty good season was interrupted also. I don't think there's anything particularly foolish in being concerned that one injury could ruin his long-term security. What would you offer him? 5 years, $70 million, option for the sixth year at big dollars.

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 07:31 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Yeah, I think negotiations are going to hover around there (though I'm not sure how tolerant Reyes will be of the delayed pay boost), and I think it'll be a test of Alderson's philosphy whether he has the stomache for that kind of commitment.

metsmarathon Nov 04 2010 07:52 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

per fangraphs: [table:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]year[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]WAR[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]value[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2006[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]5.7[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$21.1M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2007[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]5.5[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$22.7M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2008[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]6.0[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$27.2M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2009[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]0.9[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$3.9M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2010[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2.8[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$11.1M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][/table:11kwsvod] i don't think he'll be overpaid at 11 mil if he's fairly healthy next year. and he's still got the potential to be significantly underpaid relative to his production. granted, i'm not sure how much i buy into the WAR-equivalent salary thing, but it's still something to look at. (its not that i think it's total bullshit, its just that i think that its a much more complicated dynamic than the method they are using to approximate it.)

metirish Nov 04 2010 08:00 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

I love Jose and if I was his agent I would be telling him that other teams would likely value him more in FA than the Mets , does Boston have a SS?

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 08:03 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Well, I wouldn't tell him that if the Mets are ponying up impressively. Let's let the Mets get to the table before we start advising Jose. The option is locked in so Alderson can get on with assembling his staff and his field staff before wrestling aggressively with this later in the offseason.

seawolf17 Nov 04 2010 08:11 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

metirish wrote: I love Jose and if I was his agent I would be telling him that other teams would likely value him more in FA than the Mets , does Boston have a SS? Well, that's his/her job as an agent. (I'm glad George is dead, because he'd have a seven year, $150 million offer in Jose's hands at 12:01 am the day he becomes eligible.) Jose (or David) leaving would be Darryl all over again. /shudder

Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 04 2010 08:36 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

How's about 5 years/ $50 million guaranteed with an extra million for every 100 PA's past the first 100 each season? If that's not enough, you could throw in cumulative PA bonuses (boni?), say, 1.5 or 2 million for each 1000 PA's. Something like that.

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 08:45 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

I think that asks him to assume most of the risk. Players of his stature are getting the high side of $15 mills.

Ashie62 Nov 04 2010 10:14 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: I think that asks him to assume most of the risk. Players of his stature are getting the high side of $15 mills. He would have to put up a stellar full season to demand that coin.

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 10:22 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

He's put up three of them.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 04 2010 10:29 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: I think that asks him to assume most of the risk. Players of his stature are getting the high side of $15 mills. Well, that contract would be at least $50 million with a shot to make it as much as $86 or so. If that's not enough, maybe you make the floor $55 million? 60? I think anything past that would be close enough to his market value that it would negate the need for crazy incentives.

Ashie62 Nov 04 2010 10:31 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: He's put up three of them. Out of how many? Do really believe he can get an extension averaging 15 million now? I don't see it.

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 10:42 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Here's Hanley: 09:$5.5M, 10:$7M, 11:$11M, 12:$15M, 13:$15.5M, 14:$16M That's with one or two of those years being pre-FA-eligibility. Rollins is a good measuring stick, but he signed back in 2006 and left them with an $8.5 million option this year, which was even more of a no-brainer than the Mets' option with Reyes. Suffice to say that their agents will be watching the other guy's negotiating. But we know Jeter's going to get crazy dollars, and Reyes may not be Jeter, but he is a name on the marquee/face on the media guide/franchise identity player, and his agent is going to bring Jeter into the picture. Reyes is going to get paid.

metsmarathon Nov 04 2010 11:22 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Ashie62 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: He's put up three of them. Out of how many? Do really believe he can get an extension averaging 15 million now? I don't see it. i think it's totally meaningful that it took him until he was 23 to show that he was a star.

Ashie62 Nov 05 2010 11:33 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Mets have picked up Reye's option for 2011 but won't talk extension now. Reye's per his agent, will not talk extension during the season. Wouldn't this suggest a Reye's trade before 2011 season ends?

Ashie62 Nov 05 2010 11:35 AM Re: Mets and Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: Here's Hanley: 09:$5.5M, 10:$7M, 11:$11M, 12:$15M, 13:$15.5M, 14:$16M That's with one or two of those years being pre-FA-eligibility. Rollins is a good measuring stick, but he signed back in 2006 and left them with an $8.5 million option this year, which was even more of a no-brainer than the Mets' option with Reyes. Suffice to say that their agents will be watching the other guy's negotiating. But we know Jeter's going to get crazy dollars, and Reyes may not be Jeter, but he is a name on the marquee/face on the media guide/franchise identity player, and his agent is going to bring Jeter into the picture. Reyes is going to get paid. Not so much outside of NY.

metsmarathon Nov 05 2010 12:46 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Ashie62 wrote: Mets have picked up Reye's option for 2011 but won't talk extension now. Reye's per his agent, will not talk extension during the season. Wouldn't this suggest a Reye's trade before 2011 season ends? only if they don't intend on bringing him back for 2012.

Ceetar Nov 05 2010 12:55 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

metsmarathon wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Mets have picked up Reye's option for 2011 but won't talk extension now. Reye's per his agent, will not talk extension during the season. Wouldn't this suggest a Reye's trade before 2011 season ends? only if they don't intend on bringing him back for 2012. I suspect it means Alderson has a billion things to do right now. But an extension could be worked out in a slow period, or in Spring Training.

Valadius Nov 05 2010 01:52 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Is anyone else stunned to think that we're entering Reyes' ninth season with the Mets?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2010 01:53 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

I kinda like that we'll have Reyes singing for his supper this summer.

metirish Nov 05 2010 01:57 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Valadius wrote: Is anyone else stunned to think that we're entering Reyes' ninth season with the Mets? No more stunned than to think you are in fucking Washington shaping the future for us.....

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2010 01:58 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Ka-POW!

Ashie62 Nov 05 2010 03:13 PM Re: Mets and Reyes

Waiter, Check please!