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metsguyinmichigan Nov 04 2010 10:53 AM Charlie Samuels suspended

Adam Rubin is tweeting that the Mets have suspended Charlie Samuels indefinitely for a personal matter.

seawolf17 Nov 04 2010 10:53 AM

For a personal matter, sez twitter. http://twitter.com/DPLennon/status/29682750249

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2010 11:03 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Gimmme an R gimmee an O Gimmee an I Gimmee a D gimme an S

TransMonk Nov 04 2010 11:09 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Sandy hates the black unis too.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 04 2010 11:11 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

So he likes to put on the clothes postgame and play pretend a little bit. Who among us, given the opportunity, wouldn't want to see what it feels like to wear Henry Blanco's jock?

Centerfield Nov 04 2010 11:12 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

I heard he stole Derek Jeter's glove.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2010 11:13 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Lennon is now saying he's been fired, just that they're calling it an indefinite suspension. This and Rubin's cryptic Backman remarks the other day are very, very fishy. By the way Sandy is the worst GM in baseball history if I'm not hired to replace Charlie.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 04 2010 11:13 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

I heard he stole Derek Jeter's range -- and 30 points on his batting average. Goodness knows it can't be Derek's fault!

metirish Nov 04 2010 11:23 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Any guesses? He was caught masturbating on a Piazza jersey

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 11:35 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Pinching clubhouse items for the memoriblia market seems like a good guess. But I wonder if Sandy has some info from his MLB work.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 04 2010 11:35 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Longtime Mets clubhouse manager Charlie Samuels has been suspended by the organization, the Mets confirmed. The organization offered no elaboration beyond the following statement: "Last Wednesday, the Mets suspended Charlie Samuels indefinitely without pay. As this is an ongoing personnel matter, we have no further comment." Team comments....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 04 2010 11:40 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Perhaps he's been a prime leak source (with his tenure/relationships making him privy to a lot of information to which someone in his station normally wouldn't be)?

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 11:42 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Another (highly speculative) thought is that they had a chat and Alderson brought up the Radomski case, inquired how that hap'd on Samuels' watch, and Charlie didn't like being impugned, and maybe countered with how Canseco hap'd on Sandy's watch.

Frayed Knot Nov 04 2010 12:05 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Perhaps he's been a prime leak source (with his tenure/relationships making him privy to a lot of information to which someone in his station normally wouldn't be)? If front office decisions are getting to the clubhouse guy in order for him to then leak them then they've got bigger problems than the clubhouse guy leaking info. He's been there like forever, right?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2010 12:08 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Maybe Charlie can take those ugly black Mets uniforms with him out the door.

Edgy DC Nov 04 2010 12:09 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

1983. Predates Hernandez and Strawberry. And I think he was an assistant before that.

Vic Sage Nov 04 2010 12:17 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

how about those silver sci-fi softball jerseys?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2010 12:27 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

There seems to be a scummier edge to these clubhouse guys than I'd ever considered. The whole thing with Vinnie Russo (was that his name) who helped Rodamski with the whole steroid delivery process, just seems, dirty.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2010 01:15 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Next year will mark the 14th consecutive season for the following three Mets jersey styles, introduced for the 1998 season -- the longest running uniforms in Mets history: I'da fired Charlie years ago, just for designing those hideousities.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 04 2010 01:42 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Next year will mark the 14th consecutive season for the following three Mets jersey styles, introduced for the 1998 season -- the longest running uniforms in Mets history: I'da fired Charlie years ago, just for designing those hideousities. Did he design em? Fired for a 'personal matter', if that's accurate at all, wouldn't indicate to me theft or anything illegal against the team. I would think if he got shitcanned because of roidy stuff, the org would wanna announce that (and may yet) to show the new sheriff in town is 'cleanin' this shithole up'. Maybe he was all wrecked on absinthe and crashed his car & smacked his wife (sorry, Charlie).

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2010 01:58 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Next year will mark the 14th consecutive season for the following three Mets jersey styles, introduced for the 1998 season -- the longest running uniforms in Mets history: I'da fired Charlie years ago, just for designing those hideousities. Did he design em? I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure -- almost certain. The black uniforms were his idea.

HahnSolo Nov 04 2010 02:25 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Did he design em? Fired for a 'personal matter', if that's accurate at all, wouldn't indicate to me theft or anything illegal against the team. I would think if he got shitcanned because of roidy stuff, the org would wanna announce that (and may yet) to show the new sheriff in town is 'cleanin' this shithole up'. Maybe he was all wrecked on absinthe and crashed his car & smacked his wife (sorry, Charlie). Metsblog quoting Lennon wrote: Lennon corrected himself, he meant to say ‘ongoing personnel matter,’ not ‘personal.’ Linkie here [url]http://www.metsblog.com/2010/11/04/mets-suspend-charlie-samuels-indefinitely/

Gwreck Nov 04 2010 03:57 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

He's linked to a Federal investigation re: illegal gambling, likely on football. NY Times: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/0 ... e-manager/

metirish Nov 04 2010 04:11 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Gwreck wrote: He's linked to a Federal investigation re: illegal gambling, likely on football. NY Times: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/0 ... e-manager/ 27 years down the tubes like that, foolish man

A Boy Named Seo Nov 04 2010 04:41 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Damn it. I was readying the Paddy Power odds. Early projections were: 15:1 - addicted to blow/smack/meth? 4:1 - long-time tax evasion/fraud? 25:1 - busted for sexing up a 2-bit, dirty dish-rag street walker 8:1 - running a clubhouse sports book with K-Roddie as his 'muscle'

metirish Nov 04 2010 04:52 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Just got a call from my man in Ireland 1/2 odds were for as he said " cock in hand and up to no good"

duan Nov 04 2010 05:11 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

were you talking to someone about Neil Prendeville

metirish Nov 04 2010 05:23 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

duan wrote: were you talking to someone about Neil Prendeville Is he blaming the drink yet? http://www.radio-info.com/news/an-irish ... on-the-air

Fman99 Nov 04 2010 06:32 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Hotel room full of hookers, porn stars and blow. Duh.

Frayed Knot Nov 04 2010 09:21 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Fman99 wrote: Hotel room full of hookers, porn stars and blow. Duh. No silly, that's only major TV stars.

dgwphotography Nov 05 2010 06:06 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

it could be even worse... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... n_sus.html

duan Nov 05 2010 07:14 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

metirish wrote: were you talking to someone about Neil Prendeville Is he blaming the drink yet? http://www.radio-info.com/news/an-irish ... on-the-air and three neurofen plus! best bit is trying to 'cover' himself with Cara Magazine!

Edgy DC Nov 05 2010 07:18 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

dgwphotography wrote: it could be even worse... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... n_sus.html Very unhappy to have apparently guessed right in this quiz.

soupcan Nov 05 2010 07:21 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Yowzers! From the article Edgy linked: Samuels, who has not been arrested, is believed to have told Major League Baseball that he bet on baseball games, a strict violation of baseball rules. Samuels, the Mets' clubhouse manager for 27 seasons, was described by a source as a "spider who sat in the middle of a money web," a man who earned about $80,000 a year from the Mets but whose tax returns showed about $600,000 to $700,000 in income. He has homes in Huntington, L.I., and Port St. Lucie.

G-Fafif Nov 05 2010 07:29 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Irresponsible speculation: Samuels put itching powder in Gl@v!ne's uniform and then bet the Marlins heavy.

Frayed Knot Nov 05 2010 07:31 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

soupcan wrote: Yowzers! From the article Edgy linked: Samuels, who has not been arrested, is believed to have told Major League Baseball that he bet on baseball games, a strict violation of baseball rules. Samuels, the Mets' clubhouse manager for 27 seasons, was described by a source as a "spider who sat in the middle of a money web," a man who earned about $80,000 a year from the Mets but whose tax returns showed about $600,000 to $700,000 in income. He has homes in Huntington, L.I., and Port St. Lucie. Ballplayers are sure good tippers.

G-Fafif Nov 05 2010 07:33 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Hard to think of Samuels as an itsy bitsy spider at any rate.

MFS62 Nov 05 2010 07:33 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 05 2010 07:34 AM

There is a sign right inside every major league baseball clubhouse door that clearly spells out the prohibition against gambling. As Clubhouse Manager , he must have walked past that sign thousands of times. Maybe he was the person who hung the sign in the first place. How [crossout:2xertob6]ironic[/crossout:2xertob6] stupid would that be? Later

metirish Nov 05 2010 07:34 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

fucks sake man The Mets suspended the 53-year-old Samuels last week after an internal probe that began in midseason revealed that he may have written checks on Mets accounts and cashed them out to cover his own bills and later repaid the "loans" in two to three weeks, the sources said. It is unclear how much of the "loans" were never paid back. Samuels is also under scrutiny for possibly skimming money on the hotel rooms he ordered for players as the team's traveling secretary and for Mets property that went missing from the clubhouse, including hundreds of bats, balls and jerseys. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z14PmIN5f7

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2010 07:38 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Boy that's a lotta shit since the Racing Final I picked up this morning. Charlie has always been a figure of respect and unpenetrable mystery, reports mbtn.net. [url]http://mbtn.net/you-never-can-tell

themetfairy Nov 05 2010 07:42 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

I'm just shaking my head. It's such a betrayal.

HahnSolo Nov 05 2010 07:45 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

the team's traveling secretary and for Mets property that went missing from the clubhouse, including hundreds of bats, balls and jerseys. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z14PmIN5f7 Shortly thereafter, this man's resume turned up in Sandy Alderson's in box.

Ceetar Nov 05 2010 07:51 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

From a Mets standpoint..who's watching the books? What other skimming is going on, went on, that they just don't notice? Do they just see "we spent $$$ in the clubhouse this month." and go with it? Not notice the traffic? not think that's high? I mean, $500,000 extra barely pays for Ike Davis, but it's still a nice chunk of change that shouldn't be able to just slip through cracks right? Or is he just taking those extra cents that are truncated off transactions and putting it into a bank account? You wonder how long he's been doing it too. Maybe stole $1000 or two back in Keith's days, realized no one was noticing, and gradually got greedier and greedier?

themetfairy Nov 05 2010 07:56 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

the team's traveling secretary and for Mets property that went missing from the clubhouse, including hundreds of bats, balls and jerseys. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z14PmIN5f7 Shortly thereafter, this man's resume turned up in Sandy Alderson's in box. LOL Han

metsmarathon Nov 05 2010 08:13 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

i wonder how many mets fans are hoping to learn that oliver perez is somehow involved?

Edgy DC Nov 05 2010 08:42 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Boy that's a lotta shit since the Racing Final I picked up this morning. Charlie has always been a figure of respect and unpenetrable mystery, reports mbtn.net. [url]http://mbtn.net/you-never-can-tell Crazy thought, but reading the justoposition of your two stories, I got the idea that the sordid mysteries of Backman and Samuels may be connected. Maybe the Mets asked Backman, before we continue supporting your career, is there anything we need to know about, and he said something along the lines of, "There's an illegal gambling ring that's been operating under your noses for 25 years, centered around your equipment guy, and if you don't want me in your clubhouse, you sure don't want that guy." Way back in the ugly eighties, Backman's old dude Dykstra was under serious investigation by MLB for incurring heavy gambling losses that didn't exactly occur at Vegas tables. When I heard John Dowd speak, he said the Pete Rose banishment had an effect throughout baseball, that Dykstra had been stonewalling the invetstigation, but after the banishment went down, he sat down and told Dowd everything. But, you know, maybe he didn't tell Dowd everything. You gotta think that a guy as smart and chummy and scummy as Keith would have a clue. More than a few players must've.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2010 08:46 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Interesting thought. Of course, if such a thing happened, we should clarify that this would have been when Wally got the Brooklyn job, not more recently as part of whatever consideration he may be getting for the Flushing position.

Willets Point Nov 05 2010 08:59 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

metsmarathon wrote: i wonder how many mets fans are hoping to learn that oliver perez is somehow involved? Or K-Rod.

seawolf17 Nov 05 2010 09:13 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Willets Point wrote: metsmarathon wrote: i wonder how many mets fans are hoping to learn that oliver perez is somehow involved? Or K-Rod. Yes and no on Frankie. At least I think he can be a productive member of the 2011 roster.

Centerfield Nov 05 2010 09:15 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

My first thoughts upon seeing this thread: Charlie Daniels was suspended? From what? What does that have to do with... Oh, oh. Charlie Samuels. Of course. The Phillies manager. Nice.

Ceetar Nov 05 2010 09:28 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

My first thoughts upon seeing this thread: Charlie Daniels was suspended? From what? What does that have to do with... Oh, oh. Charlie Samuels. Of course. The Phillies manager. Nice. Charlie Daniels made a deal with the devil to manage the Braves or something.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2010 10:18 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

The investigation has apparently been up and running since early in the season, no? That makes Backman involvement-- as well as some of the other speculation up in hyeah-- a little less likely, no?

Edgy DC Nov 05 2010 10:23 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Well, I am merely speculating, but my speculation was more about suggesting that he maybe knew what Charlie Hustle was up to back in the eighties, and still had enough connections to know that Samuels was still at it and moreso, but not necessarily that he was ringed in himself these days. (But maybe.)

smg58 Nov 05 2010 12:18 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

The speculation can go crazy if you're not careful. Especially when what we do know is more than damning enough.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2010 01:58 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

smg58 wrote: The speculation can go crazy if you're not careful. Especially when what we do know is more than damning enough. Which reminds me... did anyone else hear something about Wally having mercury-poisoned Sparky Anderson?

Ashie62 Nov 05 2010 03:17 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

The world of Illegal gambling is a small one. Eventually, the real players on each side are aware of each other.

Ashie62 Nov 05 2010 04:09 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Charlie bet on baseball and football. He embezzelled to do it. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14246494/mets-clubhouse-manager-admits-to-betting-on-baseball

TransMonk Nov 05 2010 04:12 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

This is bad. Worse than punching your father-in-law bad. Gah.

G-Fafif Nov 05 2010 04:16 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

TransMonk wrote: This is bad. Worse than punching your father-in-law bad. That's the tagline that will appear on the billboard with K-Rod's face as part of the Mets' 2011 ad campaign: IT COULD BE A WHOLE LOT WORSE.

HahnSolo Nov 05 2010 04:18 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

It is bad...but could be worse. What if he's not the only one...and he starts implicating players? Because at some point he is gonna talk.

Edgy DC Nov 05 2010 04:55 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

He clearly is talking. That's 34 years of Met employment --- 500 or so Mets he's come into contact with.

Willets Point Nov 05 2010 05:31 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

But it could be better. After all, when the Mets are in town he's too busy washing uniforms and shit. But when the Mets are on the road he hangs out with his gambling buddies Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.

SteveJRogers Nov 05 2010 06:19 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Wasn't there some disgruntled ex-Met employee some time ago that was seemingly blathering about something was brewing in the Met organization? Something that would have been on this kind of level?

metirish Nov 05 2010 07:05 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

NYT reports that K-Rod lived with Samuels after the judge barred him from his family home.

Edgy DC Nov 05 2010 07:15 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Willets Point wrote: metsmarathon wrote: i wonder how many mets fans are hoping to learn that oliver perez is somehow involved? Or K-Rod. metirish wrote: NYT reports that K-Rod lived with Samuels after the judge barred him from his family home. Well, we're at the "strange as fiction" level now. "Stranger still" yet appraoches.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 05 2010 07:18 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

metirish wrote: NYT reports that K-Rod lived with Samuels after the judge barred him from his family home. NYTimes I remember the really young girl at the nightclub. I remember the PED stuff. But I didn't remember this bit about LoDuca. The team has had to deal with similar revelations over the past decade relating to gambling and organized crime. In 2006, Major League Baseball investigated allegations that a man reportedly stood behind home plate at Shea Stadium during batting practice and yelled at catcher Paul Lo Duca about the gambling debts Lo Duca supposedly owed him. Lo Duca was not disciplined in that matter. Wish I could party w/ PLD.

Kong76 Nov 05 2010 07:18 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

It's gonna take some time for this to unravel and it's already a giant cluster fuck of story. This could get ugly(ier). It would be funny if Jeffie is mixed up in some shenanigans, but I guess that would be asking for too much drama.

Edgy DC Nov 05 2010 07:20 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

It will get uglier.

metirish Nov 05 2010 07:22 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Kong76 wrote: It's gonna take some time for this to unravel and it's already a giant cluster fuck of story. This could get ugly(ier). It would be funny if Jeffie is mixed up in some shenanigans, but I guess that would be asking for too much drama. I don't doubt this at all, more to come.

Ashie62 Nov 05 2010 10:05 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Seo beat me to the possible Loduca connection. Again, Citifield was built on an Indian burial ground. Samuels was "borrowing" money from team accounts and the restoring it. Who the hell is the team accountant? The same guy that signed up Madoff? Geezuz.

G-Fafif Nov 06 2010 12:01 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Man, does the Post ever know how to write to titillate. Gambling Mets clubhouse manager comped mob bookies with Citi seats By LARRY CELONA, IKIMULISA LIVINGSTON and DAN MANGAN Last Updated: 9:48 PM, November 5, 2010 Disgraced Met clubhouse manager Charlie Samuels, who has confessed to betting on baseball games, comped his mobbed-up bookies prime $400 seats at Citi Field, sources told The Post. Samuels’ shameless actions, which led to his unpaid suspension and a criminal probe, came to light yesterday as The Post learned he had been playing house with another troubled Met figure — pitcher Francisco "K-Rod" Rodriguez. The reliever, who faces his own criminal charges for attacking his girlfriend’s dad in the clubhouse in August, has been crashing at Samuels’ home in the Rockaways while under a restraining order, the sources said. Samuels, 53, is likely to be canned from his $80,000-a-year post for his gambling, which was captured on wiretaps. Samuels placed wagers ranging from several hundred dollars to $5,000 on horse races and NFL games and has admitted betting on baseball games, the sources said. Probers are looking into whether he gave mobbed-up associates dope about the team or they were able to glean useful info from his wagers. Photos show Samuels gave some of those bookies — Gambino crime-family associates from Howard Beach — comped seats at Citi Field that normally sell for $400 each, sources said. "I’m shocked," one Met player said today. Another player said, "If anything happened, it was pretty stealthy." Samuels has worked for the Mets since 1976 and has been the clubhouse manager for 27 seasons. He is also associate travel director and equipment manager. On other teams, several individuals usually hold those posts. Major League Baseball began eyeing Samuels last season after getting a tip that he was gambling with illegal bookies. MLB soon notified the Mets, telling the team that it should audit its financial records because Samuels’ several jobs gave him control over large amounts of money, a source said. The Mets, who refused to comment yesterday, suspended Samuels indefinitely without pay on Oct. 27. Neither Samuels nor K-Rod emerged yesterday from Samuels’ Queens townhouse, where a Mercedes SUV and a Range Rover registered to the 28-year-old fireballer were parked outside. Samuels’ ex-wife, Charlene, yesterday said, "I don’t believe" the allegations. "His job at the Mets means everything to him," Charlene said. "I don’t think he would ever take a chance on jeopardizing that. He would never, ever bet on baseball."

Ceetar Nov 06 2010 12:16 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Ashie62 wrote: Seo beat me to the possible Loduca connection. Again, Citifield was built on an Indian burial ground. Samuels was "borrowing" money from team accounts and the restoring it. Who the hell is the team accountant? The same guy that signed up Madoff? Geezuz. What, the books are off every month? eh, It's less than Alex Cora makes anyway, probably just petty cash.

Ashie62 Nov 06 2010 06:56 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Ceetar wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Seo beat me to the possible Loduca connection. Again, Citifield was built on an Indian burial ground. Samuels was "borrowing" money from team accounts and the restoring it. Who the hell is the team accountant? The same guy that signed up Madoff? Geezuz. What, the books are off every month? eh, It's less than Alex Cora makes anyway, probably just petty cash. I assume you are taking the piss...right??

Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 06 2010 08:30 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

FWIW (and it ain't W all that much, I suppose), my father-in-law spends his weekends at the Race Palace OTB in Plainview (yeah, he spends EVERY WEEKEND there), and he's been seeing LoDuca there since 06.

Valadius Nov 06 2010 04:44 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Lo Duca became an analyst for the horse racing network TVG in 2009, if you can believe it. He must really love the ponies.

Edgy DC Nov 06 2010 09:28 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Good news: this story didn't get worse today. Love those weekends.

G-Fafif Nov 07 2010 04:32 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Matt Artus of Always Amazin' follows Charlie through the years. Like mining the subconscious of the Mets fan who reads the "notes" portions of spring training stories.

G-Fafif Nov 10 2010 10:01 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 10 2010 10:54 AM

More flattering stuff on Charlie, his empire, his seaside mansion, his connection (real estate, not gambling) to two Mets of recent vintage (one current), his informant ways and his chokehold on the Metsmorablia market in the News here.

Edgy DC Nov 10 2010 10:39 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

That's impressive that two of the three guys associated with him in recent years are felonious relievers. Some guys just know how to make themselves a flame to the moths.

G-Fafif Nov 10 2010 10:40 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

And Feliciano makes an appearance in this story because Feliciano always makes an appearance.

metirish Nov 10 2010 10:44 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

What a mess he is in , after Pedro and K-Rod's appearance we need someone for mob up duty.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2010 10:51 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

metirish wrote: What a mess he is in , after Pedro and K-Rod's appearance we need someone for mob up duty. What's Johnny F. up to, again?

Valadius Nov 10 2010 11:18 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

As I said at the start of this little saga, there's no way John Franco didn't know what was going on.

metirish Nov 10 2010 11:24 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Valadius wrote: As I said at the start of this little saga, there's no way John Franco didn't know what was going on. Elaborate please Pizza and his dad were tight with Samuels IIRC, in fact there was a time that Vince Piazza enticed Samuels to lose weight by offering to buy him a fancy car of he reached a goal weight , he reached it and got the car.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 10 2010 11:54 AM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Well, the Piazza family wasn't exactly squeaky. I forget the details, but MLB rejected Vince Piazza's bid to buy the Marlins because owners didn't like Piazza's background.

Edgy DC Nov 10 2010 12:00 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

I understand being suspicious of Franco, but there's no cause to jump ahead from suspicion to certainty. The details suggest that his chums tended to be relievers. I wonder if the clubbies have more access to them because of their surfeit of down time while most of the coaches' eyes and minds are elsewhere. That whole arrangement where the clubbies are in the clubhouse but don't answer to the manager --- that has to be generally problematic, no?

seawolf17 Nov 10 2010 12:07 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Valadius wrote: As I said at the start of this little saga, there's no way John Franco didn't know what was going on. Because he's Italian, and therefore a mob guy.

Valadius Nov 10 2010 12:12 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

seawolf17 wrote: Valadius wrote: As I said at the start of this little saga, there's no way John Franco didn't know what was going on. Because he's Italian, and therefore a mob guy. No, because he was in that clubhouse for a decade and a half. How the hell could he not have known something?

metirish Nov 10 2010 12:27 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

The prosecution now calls Peter Flynn.

Edgy DC Nov 10 2010 12:38 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Valadius wrote: Valadius wrote: As I said at the start of this little saga, there's no way John Franco didn't know what was going on. Because he's Italian, and therefore a mob guy. No, because he was in that clubhouse for a decade and a half. How the hell could he not have known something? I don't know. But how many years does it take to count as unimpeachable evidence? Because we and the organization are in dangerous territory right now.

Ashie62 Nov 10 2010 05:41 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

Charlie Samuels was stealing Mets Jerseys, Gloves and other memorabilia to support his gambling. [url]http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/10/charlie-samuels-screwed-up-the-mets-clubhouse/

Kong76 Nov 10 2010 05:49 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

metirish wrote: The prosecution now calls Peter Flynn. Can't trust them mics ... especially the red headed ones.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 10 2010 08:39 PM Re: Charlie Samuels Suspended

G-Fafif wrote: And Feliciano makes an appearance in this story because Feliciano always makes an appearance. BAM! Bullet of cool!