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Centerfield Nov 05 2010 08:33 AM

According to Metsblog, the Padres GM Jed Hoyer has confirmed that Alderson has asked permission to speak to Paul DePodesta. How cool would that be if we got him? I can't believe how excited I am over this. I realize that the track records of some of these deputies aren't exactly stellar, but with the Mets resources, I feel like this team could become something credible.

Ceetar Nov 05 2010 08:38 AM Re: DePodesta

Centerfield wrote: According to Metsblog, the Padres GM Jed Hoyer has confirmed that Alderson has asked permission to speak to Paul DePodesta. How cool would that be if we got him? I can't believe how excited I am over this. I realize that the track records of some of these deputies aren't exactly stellar, but with the Mets resources, I feel like this team could become something credible. You hear good things about these guys, but sometimes I wonder if they're the 'chic' pick. I mean, everybody picks people they know and like, but sometimes you wonder if it wouldn't be better to look to see if somethings better than stick to the comfortable choice. btw, 3 months ago "Why would anyone want to work for Jeff Wilpon?" and Alderson basically takes a job 'below' him to be here, and Riccardi gets out of Boston as fast as he can when he's offered a shot here. He was basically sitting in a meeting with Theo Epstein and got up and left for NY. Hasn't word got out that Jeffy's a big bad wolf?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 05 2010 08:57 AM Re: DePodesta

Ceetar wrote: Centerfield wrote: According to Metsblog, the Padres GM Jed Hoyer has confirmed that Alderson has asked permission to speak to Paul DePodesta. How cool would that be if we got him? I can't believe how excited I am over this. I realize that the track records of some of these deputies aren't exactly stellar, but with the Mets resources, I feel like this team could become something credible. You hear good things about these guys, but sometimes I wonder if they're the 'chic' pick. I mean, everybody picks people they know and like, but sometimes you wonder if it wouldn't be better to look to see if somethings better than stick to the comfortable choice. btw, 3 months ago "Why would anyone want to work for Jeff Wilpon?" and Alderson basically takes a job 'below' him to be here, and Riccardi gets out of Boston as fast as he can when he's offered a shot here. He was basically sitting in a meeting with Theo Epstein and got up and left for NY. Hasn't word got out that Jeffy's a big bad wolf? Perhaps the word got out that Sandy's a bigger and badder wolf.

metirish Nov 05 2010 09:03 AM Re: DePodesta

I like it , revisionist history is kind to DePodesta and the mess with the Dodgers; if you look back at his time there it wasn't all bad and anyway when McCourt came he fired him, some say a few of the local hacks who ere very anti-moneyball helped sway McCourt.

Gwreck Nov 08 2010 12:37 PM Re: DePodesta

Adam Rubin is reporting via twitter that Depodesta will join the Mets. http://twitter.com/AdamRubinESPN/status ... 2817662976

metirish Nov 08 2010 12:39 PM Re: DePodesta

I'm excited about this and that troubles me.....excited about execs? Giddy times to be a Mets fan

Edgy DC Nov 08 2010 12:39 PM Re: DePodesta

It'll be interesting to see what titles these guys get and how they divide up the work.

metirish Nov 08 2010 12:43 PM Re: DePodesta

Needs updating http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/team/coaches.jsp?c_id=nym http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/team/front_ ... p?c_id=nym

Ceetar Nov 08 2010 12:43 PM Re: DePodesta

KBurkhardtSNY Kevin Burkhardt Mets keep loading up the front office - Paul DePodesta the new VP Player Development and Amateur Scouting. Tehre's the title. duties? no idea.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 08 2010 12:56 PM Re: DePodesta

I take it that Omar is not going to be a member of this group.

metirish Nov 08 2010 12:58 PM Re: DePodesta

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I take it that Omar is not going to be a member of this group. If it means leaving Mensa then no

TheOldMole Nov 08 2010 01:07 PM Re: DePodesta

Who's Richard Wilpon?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2010 01:08 PM Re: DePodesta

Opposite Mets! They had to be the dumbest team in baseball for 5 years in order to realize they should have been the smartest.

HahnSolo Nov 08 2010 01:11 PM Re: DePodesta

metirish wrote: Needs updating http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/team/coaches.jsp?c_id=nym http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/team/front_ ... p?c_id=nym Unless "Pat" is a woman, there's an overabundance of testosterone in that front office.

Valadius Nov 08 2010 01:18 PM Re: DePodesta

TheOldMole wrote: Who's Richard Wilpon? If I remember correctly, Fred has another son who lives in Japan, not sure if that's Richard though.

Edgy DC Nov 08 2010 01:41 PM Re: DePodesta

Jeff's brother in Tokyo is Bruce. Their sister is Robin. Richard is Fred's brother. Saul Katz is the husband of Fred's sister, Iris. Study up. Test tomorrow.

metirish Nov 08 2010 01:46 PM Re: DePodesta

"I am thrilled to reunite with Sandy during this exciting time for the Mets.I know first-hand the type of vision and leadership he brings to a franchise. This is a tremendous opportunity to help develop a winning culture for the Mets and our fans." Mets release

HahnSolo Nov 08 2010 01:46 PM Re: DePodesta

Edgy DC wrote: Jeff's brother in Tokyo is Bruce. Their sister is Robin. They reside in Stately Wilpon Manor.

metirish Nov 08 2010 01:48 PM Re: DePodesta

Bruce was the one who scouted Matsui

Edgy DC Nov 08 2010 01:52 PM Re: DePodesta

I'm sure more than a few scouted Matsui. It's more true to say that he helped woo Matsui.

metirish Nov 08 2010 01:56 PM Re: DePodesta

Edgy DC wrote: I'm sure more than a few scouted Matsui. It's more true to say that he helped woo Matsui. really? , my memory is that the Mets took him solely on the scouting of Bruce.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 08 2010 01:59 PM Re: DePodesta

Really hope DePodesata keeps up his blog. He's been really good about actually explaining moves to fans.

Ashie62 Nov 08 2010 02:19 PM Re: DePodesta

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I take it that Omar is not going to be a member of this group. Devodesta got the job Omar might have ascended to.

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2010 02:23 PM Re: DePodesta

metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I'm sure more than a few scouted Matsui. It's more true to say that he helped woo Matsui. really? , my memory is that the Mets took him solely on the scouting of Bruce. No. Kaz was a major talent in the JPL still in his prime and the Mets were hardly sold on him simply via Tokyo Bruce's say so - even if anti-Wilponism and revisionist history are in favor of painting it the other way.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2010 02:25 PM Re: DePodesta

Omar was named Vice President of the Pepsi Party Patrol.

metirish Nov 08 2010 02:48 PM Re: DePodesta

LOL Heyman and the rest are so funny....."this is the new moneyball...lol...mets have highest paid front office in the game" FU John

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2010 02:57 PM Re: DePodesta

Well, get used to hacky columnists making reference to "slide-rulers" and Dungeons & Dragons whenever we lose 3 in a row for the next few years.

Edgy DC Nov 08 2010 03:05 PM Re: DePodesta

Oh, man, Joe Morgan is going to be impossible, isn't he? "You see, what the Mets don't seem to realize is that baseball isn't played on a computer."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 08 2010 04:21 PM Re: DePodesta

And that's why you mute Joe Morgan. (Well, that and the convenient factual errors and fabrications he makes when recounting his career. And the Big Red Machine boasting. And the weird, random chuckling.) If not for postseason radio, I wouldn't remember the sound of his voice.

seawolf17 Nov 08 2010 06:09 PM Re: DePodesta

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Omar was named Vice President of the Pepsi Party Patrol. Cool for Omar. Some of those girls are cute.

metirish Nov 08 2010 06:47 PM Re: DePodesta

Twitter is alight with news that the Mets have hired Michael Lewis.

Willets Point Nov 08 2010 07:18 PM Re: DePodesta

metirish wrote: Twitter is alight with news that the Mets have hired Michael Lewis. The Mets official writer?

Willets Point Nov 08 2010 07:23 PM Re: DePodesta

The source of the "Michael Lewis is hired" comment is TheSportsHernia who tweets TheSportsHernia Sports Hernia Ha. Definitely a joke. RT @SI_JonHeyman @Chris_Ahlers im pretty sure thats a joke. but u better check with sports hernia Too bad. The Mets could use a good writer.

OlerudOwned Nov 08 2010 09:00 PM Re: DePodesta

Oh, man, Joe Morgan is going to be impossible, isn't he? "You see, what the Mets don't seem to realize is that baseball isn't played on a computer." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1G92VB.DTL Everything's coming up Milhouse.

MFS62 Nov 08 2010 09:41 PM Re: DePodesta

Ok, the troika is in place. Now Mets fans can stop singing If I Only Had A Brain. Later

soupcan Nov 09 2010 06:37 AM Re: DePodesta

Forget about intelligent player moves and developing a productive minor league system, the best part of this new, 'educated' front office for me is that I won't have to cringe through press conferences any more. Youknowwhatuhmsayin' Omar? No question about it, Steve.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 09 2010 12:39 PM Re: DePodesta

Although I hear Omar has lobby for president of media relations, knowwhatI'msayin?

metirish Nov 09 2010 04:06 PM Re: DePodesta

DePodesta conference call DePodesta moving beyond Moneyball By Mark Simon For those who think that the Mets espousing Moneyball philosophies will mean a strict adherence to baseball analytics and a formulaic, stats-over-scouts approach to player acquisition, some clarification may be in order. The perceptions that exist from Michael Lewis’ best-selling book, in which new Mets vice-president of player development and amateur scouting Paul DePodesta was a supporting character to Athletics GM Billy Beane, are not necessarily related to the direction the Mets front office will take in its decision-making processes. “The book itself was a bit of a caricature, not just to me, but to many of the people involved,” said DePodesta, and in fact the movie based on the book, starring Brad Pitt as Beane, changed the name of its DePodesta character at his request. “Moneyball has taken on a lot of connotations that weren’t intended. Moneyball doesn’t have anything to do with on-base percentage or statistics. It’s a constant investigation of stagnant systems, to see if you can find value where it isn’t readily apparent. It can be anything. At the time, it happened to be using statistics to make us better decisions. That’s not always the case. There are new frontiers we need to conquer.” In a conference call Tuesday afternoon, DePodesta was guarded with regards to what those frontiers are, just as he was when asked about his 20-month stint as general manager of the Dodgers in 2004 and 2005 ("I'm not at liberty to talk about my dealings with the Dodgers," he said). "Look at how we develop players and people to get the most out of someones talent," he said. "That untapped. It an area where there a lot of opportunity." There was excitement in DePodesta's voice with regards to his primary role overseeeing player development and amateur scouting. The Mets will hire directors for each, both of which will report to DePodesta. Former Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi will oversee the professional scouting side of baseball operations. "For me the draft is the best day of the calendar year, though it's certainly not the most glamorous," DePodesta said. "It's something I love getting involved in, getting out and seeing players. With my background from the last few years, I'm probably not as married to the college player as some may think. I have certain things I look for, pitching and hitting wise, but I'm open to any type or shape of player and any type of background." What’s the message that DePodesta wants to send to the statistically-inclined portion of the fan base, one that has reacted overwhelmingly favorably to the news of each of these hirings? “We’re still going to be wrong, probably often, but hopefully we’re disciplined enough in our processes to be more right than we are wrong,” he said. “The guiding principle is uncertainty. We want to try to understand and corral that uncertainty as best we can to help us narrow our choices to guide our intuition to the best choice possible. Hopefully we’re right more often that we’re wrong and hopefully we’re right when it counts.” The opportunity to be right in New York ("Moneyball with Money" as some have referred to the potential), as opposed to San Diego was half the lure for DePodesta to leave his job as executive vice-president for the Padres and build a set of front office philosophies from scratch here. "If one doesn’t aspire to be in a place of this magnitude, than he's probably in the wrong industry," DePodesta said http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/new-york/ ... -moneyball

Ashie62 Nov 09 2010 04:59 PM Re: DePodesta

It may be safe to say the Mets will not be drafting many players directly out of high school anymore.

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2010 05:09 PM Re: DePodesta

I don't think that's safe to say at all. For one thing, the Mets in recent years have been drafting almost exclusively out of colleges so it'll be tough to tilt that any further. But also the 'Moneyball' philosophy of drafting out of college was, at least in part, largely due to Oakland's specific needs rather than it was from a view that college players make for better picks. The A's with their money limitations and in the midst of that good run they were having in the early 2000s simply didn't want to wait for, and couldn't afford the risk of, tougher to figure HS players.

Edgy DC Nov 09 2010 05:15 PM Re: DePodesta

"I'm probably not as married to the college player as some may think."

Ashie62 Nov 09 2010 05:16 PM Re: DePodesta

Ok, my thought was beyond the specific needs of the A's, picking College players offered less financial risk and presented them closer to be major league ready. Fine by me either way.

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2010 05:29 PM Re: DePodesta

Yeah, it was specifically the 'closer to ready' part that Beane wanted for those A's. But there's certainly not only one way to draft and a team like the Braves have for the most part kept a well-stocked farm system doing almost exactly the opposite of Moneyball-style drafting; they pick HS & JuCo players almost exclusively and even rarely seem to leave the South East in doing so.

metirish Nov 09 2010 05:45 PM Re: DePodesta

DePodesta all over Collins DePodesta praises Collins By Adam Rubin Paul DePodesta heaped praise on managerial candidate Terry Collins on Tuesday. DePodesta was GM of the Los Angeles Dodgers when Collins served as fielder coordinator and farm director of that organization. Collins reportedly was DePodesta's choice to become manager of the Dodgers when DePodesta himself got pushed out. “I think very highly of Terry,” DePodesta said. “I thought he was terrific. I thought he was a rock for us in player development. You know, Omar [Minaya] actually asked me about him about a year and a half ago, when the Mets were out here visiting San Diego. He had known Terry and asked me what my experience with him was. I told him I thought Terry was an absolute star in player development and was a huge help to the Dodgers organization. I think he was really helpful in the development of a lot of those young kids who are the core of their major league team right now.” Asked specifically about what happened with the Dodgers with respect to Collins being his choice to become Dodgers manager, DePodesta said he contractually could not answer that question. “Unfortunately, I’m not permitted to talk about anything regarding my time with the Dodgers -- not because of any deal I have with the Mets, but my deal with the Dodgers,” DePodesta said. As for Collins' skills as a potential manager, DePodesta added: "First of all, he's done it before. I think any of us who have been in these jobs in various organizations learn a lot every step of the way. I've been through four organizations now. I'm hopeful some of the things I've been exposed to over that time will be helpful to the Mets, and I think the same could be said for Terry. He's been a major league manager a couple of different times. You learn an awful lot from that. He's been in the Far East. I think, again, he's had a lot of success in player development. So I think there are a lot of things about his experiences that are worthwhile. Everyone likes different personalities. I really like Terry's intensity. I think he's a tremendous organizational guy."

Edgy DC Nov 09 2010 06:11 PM Re: DePodesta

"I loved Terry when he was with the Dodgers." "You did?" "Yeah, I'd've liked him to manage the Dodgers." "What did you like about him?" "He was a rock in player development for the Dodgers." "Who did he help bring along?" "The core of the current Dodger team." "And why didn't he become mananger?" "Of the Dodgers? I'm sorry, I can't talk about the Dodgers."

Ashie62 Nov 09 2010 06:44 PM Re: DePodesta

Interesting