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Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

bmfc1 Nov 09 2010 01:47 PM

Well deserved Derek! I'm sure that it has nothing to do with your aura or reputation. And only 3 MFYs out of 9! What were the voters thinking at the other six positions? http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetSpot/post/ ... d-as-usual

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2010 01:52 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Amazing! Even his fans are admitting by this point that his defense has slipped and the only questions that remain about position change is when and where not if. Elvis Andrus might have to wait until Jeter dies because he may still be winning these things years after his retirement. I have no problem with any of the other AL picks C - Mauer 1B - Teixeira 2B - Cano 3B - Longoria OF - Crawford, Suzuki, Gutierrez P - Buehrle

seawolf17 Nov 09 2010 01:54 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Holy hell, that's fuckin' insane. Admittedly, he only made six errors this year, but holy hell.

Edgy DC Nov 09 2010 01:59 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

I think it's great that he cares so much about the game's history. I assume he won this Gold Glove by placing a winning bid at an auction of Vic Power's estate. Correct?

metirish Nov 09 2010 02:08 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Quite simply the greatest player ever to lace them up.

themetfairy Nov 09 2010 02:08 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

metirish wrote: Quite simply the greatest player ever to lace them up. Them being ballet shoes?

metsmarathon Nov 09 2010 02:14 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

tex and cano have decidedly mediocre UZRs, per fangraphs. jeter's is not good, but still slightly ahead of jose's. top UZRs belong to the following al'ers: 1b daric barton 12.7 | lyle overbay 0.1 | 5 of 8 mark teixiera -2.9 2b mark ellis 9.8 | orlando hudson 9.7 | 5 of 8 robinson cano -0.6 ss alexei ramirez 10.8 | cliff pennington 9.9 | 7 of 9 derek jeter -4.7 3b kevin kouzmanoff 16.1 | adrian beltre 11.8 | 3 of 8 evan longoria 11.1 rf ichiro suzuki 15.6 | j.d. drew 3.8 cf julio borbon 8.9 | franklin gutierrez 7.3 lf brett gardner 22.3 | carl crawford 18.5 well, the voters did better in the outfield at least...

Valadius Nov 09 2010 02:15 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

The Gold Gloves are almost never handed out on defensive merit. Transparency, please!

metsmarathon Nov 09 2010 02:17 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

gold gloves are very much an offensive award.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 09 2010 02:19 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Yabbut... Jeter kinda sucked this year with the bat, too.

Edgy DC Nov 09 2010 02:21 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

tex and cano have decidedly mediocre UZRs, per fangraphs. jeter's is not good, but still slightly ahead of jose's. top UZRs belong to the following al'ers: 1b daric barton 12.7 | lyle overbay 0.1 | 5 of 8 mark teixiera -2.9 2b mark ellis 9.8 | orlando hudson 9.7 | 5 of 8 robinson cano -0.6 ss alexei ramirez 10.8 | cliff pennington 9.9 | 7 of 9 derek jeter -4.7 3b kevin kouzmanoff 16.1 | adrian beltre 11.8 | 3 of 8 evan longoria 11.1 rf ichiro suzuki 15.6 | j.d. drew 3.8 cf julio borbon 8.9 | franklin gutierrez 7.3 lf brett gardner 22.3 | carl crawford 18.5 well, the voters did better in the outfield at least... Wait a minute, Derek Jeter had a worse UZR than Seven of Nine?

Gwreck Nov 09 2010 02:37 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Baseball Reference has a fielding statistic called "Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average" which is a combination statistic that measures the number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made. That statistic suggests that Franklin Gutierrez was 15 runs above average for AL centerfielders, which was best among all players that played there full-time in 2010. Same statistic has Jeter at 10 runs below average for AL shortstops. That would be LAST among all players at shortstop in the AL.

DocTee Nov 09 2010 02:41 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Damn, Oakland has a solid defensive infield!

SteveJRogers Nov 09 2010 03:13 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

[url]http://www.baseball-reference.com/ Awesome sauce!

SteveJRogers Nov 09 2010 03:18 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

metsmarathon wrote: gold gloves are very much an offensive award. See Ratty Palmeroid, who played a total of 28 games at first one year and won a gold glove!

Ashie62 Nov 09 2010 04:54 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Yabbut... Jeter kinda sucked this year with the bat, too. Correct, and one bad season cost David Wright a string of Gold Gloves.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 09 2010 05:40 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Ashie62 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Yabbut... Jeter kinda sucked this year with the bat, too. Correct, and one bad season cost David Wright a string of Gold Gloves. Well, that, and the fact that David Wright isn't a fantastic defensive third baseman.

MFS62 Nov 09 2010 09:35 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

tex and cano have decidedly mediocre UZRs, per fangraphs. jeter's is not good, but still slightly ahead of jose's. top UZRs belong to the following al'ers: 1b daric barton 12.7 | lyle overbay 0.1 | 5 of 8 mark teixiera -2.9 2b mark ellis 9.8 | orlando hudson 9.7 | 5 of 8 robinson cano -0.6 ss alexei ramirez 10.8 | cliff pennington 9.9 | 7 of 9 derek jeter -4.7 3b kevin kouzmanoff 16.1 | adrian beltre 11.8 | 3 of 8 evan longoria 11.1 rf ichiro suzuki 15.6 | j.d. drew 3.8 cf julio borbon 8.9 | franklin gutierrez 7.3 lf brett gardner 22.3 | carl crawford 18.5 well, the voters did better in the outfield at least... Wait a minute, Derek Jeter had a worse UZR than Seven of Nine? As Gwreck pointed out, Jeter was 59th out of 59 shortstops in Total Zone Rating. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagu ... elding::13 This year he showed the range of a manhole cover. This was tuchus licking of the highest (or is it lowest?) magnitude. Later

Rockin' Doc Nov 09 2010 10:13 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Rob Neyer had this to say on ESPN regarding Jeter winning a Gold Glove for 2010. "It's his fifth, which means he's now won at least four more Gold Gloves than he's deserved."

HahnSolo Nov 10 2010 06:29 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Boomer and Carton on WFAN absolutely embarassing themselves this morning with their ignorant defense of Jeter's win. "He had the best fielding percentage and the fewest errors." That's an exact quote from Carton. They also threw in a complaint about the "bloggers" who worry about range, etc.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2010 06:37 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

HahnSolo wrote: Boomer and Carton on WFAN [are] absolutely embarrassing. I fixed your quote for you.

HahnSolo Nov 10 2010 06:41 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

I know, shame on me for even listening. But I was hoping someone, anyone, would call in and confront them.

Edgy DC Nov 10 2010 07:31 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Let 'em go. Really, if folks want to inflate the notion of what Jeter is accomplishing with his glove, bat, grace, and gentle mannerisms, and even give him awards for it, perhaps we should stand back and let them. It only inflates the price of his contract and extends the length of time they're going to foolishly stick with him. Seriously, imagine the Yankees with A-Rod at short and $19 million worth of athlete at third base. How many championships has he cost them already? Two?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 10 2010 07:50 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Amazinly, the Snooze made the Jeter Injustice the back-page story today. FOOLS GOLD The problem is the article is a typical wishywashy John Harper piece, focusing on the voting process and lacking the courage to come out and say what a joke it was.

Ceetar Nov 10 2010 07:55 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

hard not to love the picture though.

Vic Sage Nov 10 2010 12:35 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Derek Jeter is the key to Yankee glory. If they don't re-sign him for 10years/$250M, they'll rue the day. Hee Hee Hee. :)

Willets Point Nov 10 2010 01:07 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Ceetar wrote: hard not to love the picture though. What is the Mets' Little Secret?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2010 01:12 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Brett Favre sent them texts, too? (It's the Samuels bit, about how he undermined Manuel and Randolph, and how his off-field player ties are still potentially problematic.)

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2010 02:03 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

NL Gold Gloves: P - Bronson Arroyo C - Yadier Molina 1B - Albert Pujols 2B - Brandon Phillips SS - Troy Tulowitski 3B - Scott Rolen OF - Micahel Bourne, Carlos Gonzalez, Shane Victorino

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2010 02:39 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 10 2010 03:09 PM

BOO! MIDWESTERN BIAS! UZR 1B Ike Davis 11.9 Adam LaRoche 4.8 Derrek Lee 2.3 Joey Votto 2.2 Albert Pujols 1.1 OF Andres Torres 21.2 Jay Bruce 20.2 Michael Bourn 17.6 Angel Pagan 15.1 ... Shane Victorino 2.6 ... ... Carlos Gonzalez -2.7

metirish Nov 10 2010 02:42 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Is that our Carlos Gomez?, who is he playing for?(not minny?)

Valadius Nov 10 2010 02:47 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

No, Gonzalez, from Colorado.

Gwreck Nov 10 2010 02:57 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

According to that "Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average," Michael Bourn was the best outfielder in the National League, saving 23 runs above the league average. The second best? Angel Pagan, at 21 runs. Victorino was 9th. Carlos Gonzalez was 117th (!), at 2 runs BELOW average. As for the other NL positions: Arroyo and Molina were tops at their respective positions. Adrian Gonzalez, Chase Utley and Chase Headley have some legit gripes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2010 03:40 PM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Gwreck wrote: According to that "Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average," Michael Bourn was the best outfielder in the National League, saving 23 runs above the league average. The second best? Angel Pagan, at 21 runs. Victorino was 9th. Carlos Gonzalez was 117th (!), at 2 runs BELOW average. As for the other NL positions: Arroyo and Molina were tops at their respective positions. Adrian Gonzalez, Chase Utley and Chase Headley have some legit gripes. BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Average favors Ike (then Aubrey Huff, then Berkman).

seawolf17 Nov 11 2010 06:46 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Someone on ESPN remarked that it was too bad that Davis and Pagan didn't get more love. He posited that it was mostly because of the fact that they were Mets, which I take to mean either that other managers really don't like us, or this team was too forgettable overall. Either way... ugh.

Edgy DC Nov 11 2010 06:59 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

Rob Neyer, as noted in the other thread. The Mets are fashionable to hate, even among their supporters.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2010 07:21 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

I don't think Neyer is talking about anti-Met bias per se. More likely he's: a) being a bit snarky/sarcastic with that comment and b) saying that the coaches who vote on this stuff rarely put a lot of time into it so one way to short-cut things is to only concentrate on those guys from winning teams The votes for GG are never released, but, if they were, it wouldn't surprise me to see the good fielder/bad team types who fans and analysts think were snubbed not be anywhere near the top. Throw that attitude on top of the ones where legacy and hitting are factored in and the whole thing is a real mess.

metsmarathon Nov 11 2010 07:48 AM Re: Jeter Wins 5th Gold Glove!

metsmarathon wrote: gold gloves are very much an offensive award.