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Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Valadius Nov 11 2010 05:19 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 15 2010 11:59 AM

We have our first trade of note this offseason, as Oakland has acquired OF David DeJesus from Kansas City for RHP Vin Mazzaro and minor league LHP Justin Marks. [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Agv0lFxUw9O.4p4icq1PjDcRvLYF?slug=ap-royals-athleticstrade DeJesus, of course, is a former Mets 43rd round draft pick out of high school in 1997 who ultimately chose to attend Rutgers instead.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2010 03:49 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

MLB.com wrote: SAN DIEGO -- The Padres landed Marlins outfielder Cameron Maybin, a former first-round Draft pick and top prospect, in a trade on Saturday. The deal will be announced after Maybin completes a physical, according to a baseball source. The Marlins, who were seeking bullpen help this winter, will receive right-handed relievers Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica in return, MLB.com confirmed.

metirish Nov 13 2010 04:51 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Marlins Dump Andrew Miller In Trade With Red Sox The Deal The Marlins gave lefthander Andrew Miller three years and 220 innings to work out the kinks, but in that time he regressed badly and bottomed out with an 8.54 ERA in 2010. Out of options next season and due a raise from his $1.79 million salary, Miller represented a bad gamble for the cost-conscious Marlins, so they dealt him to the Red Sox, who can afford to take risks with pricey, stunted prospects. Boston sent Triple-A lefty reliever Dustin Richardson, who has two option years remaining, to Florida as compensation. Perhaps the Red Sox feel emboldened to take a chance on Miller because new pitching coach Curt Young had success crafting some of the Athletics' young lefties, like Gio Gonzalez and Dallas Braden, into successful pitchers. With Boston, Miller also will team with ex-North Carolina teammate and fellow 2006 first-round pick Daniel Bard. The Marlins and Red Sox came together on a similar trade a year ago, when Florida traded arbitration-eligible outfielder Jeremy Hermida to Boston for a pair of low-ceiling lefties. Hunter Jones, one of those lefties, as well as Hermida both got released during the 2010 season

Valadius Nov 13 2010 06:35 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Cameron Maybin reminds me a heck of a lot of Lastings Milledge.

DocTee Nov 13 2010 06:47 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Oakland's adds Jays 3b Edwin Encarnacion in a waiver acquisition. Incumbent Kevin Kousmanoff has a MUCH better glove, but far less power: EE had 21 homers in something like 50 fewer games than KK played.

Frayed Knot Nov 13 2010 07:58 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Marlins getting rid of Maybin and Miller leaves them nothing to show* for their Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis trade - definitely a word of caution for the 'dump 'em for prospects' crowd. And those guys weren't just ordinary prospects either. Both were not only 1st round picks but top ten picks. Maybin was 10th overall in 2005, Miller 6th the following year and only money scares kept him from going even higher. * The entire trade was Maybin & Miller going to Florida along with Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, Eulogio de la Cruz, and Mike Rabelo - so I guess they still have Bradenhop even though he sounds more like a dance than a pitcher -- let's all do the Bradenhop !! The deal worked out great for Detroit as far as Cabrera goes. Their only mistake was almost immediately giving Willis a huge extension that they eventually had to eat.

Edgy DC Nov 13 2010 08:51 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Cameron Maybin, I get the feeling, will play for 10 teams before he's done.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2010 10:30 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Guys who get traded tend to get traded.

Ashie62 Nov 14 2010 06:14 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Valadius wrote: Cameron Maybin reminds me a heck of a lot of Lastings Milledge. Felix Pie also...

smg58 Nov 14 2010 11:05 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

The Marlins got two useful and cheap relievers for Maybin, which isn't nothing. But Maybin had a series of nagging injuries this past year, so I'm a little surprised they were so quick to get rid of him.

Frayed Knot Nov 15 2010 08:28 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Yeah, I shouldn't describe two ML relievers as "nothing" but the point was that they dealt a potential HoF-type bat for two "blue chip" prospects and didn't even get regular play from either guy when the prevailing wisdom on trades like that are that the team 'solved two positions for years to come' btw, Andrew Miller is out of options meaning that the Sawx can't send him to the minors without exposing him to waivers and he's done nothing to show that he's capable of holding down a steady ML job. It's very possible he'll be somewhere else before too long.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 15 2010 08:46 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

We got to watch Maybin play here in Grand Rapids for a year. Didn't hit for a ton of power, but we don't see too many bombs in the park here. Sure seemed like the real deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2010 08:53 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Can we change this thread title? I don't want a single thread for transactions this year. I think all transactions are Action-Packed enough to merit their own thread.

Frayed Knot Nov 15 2010 10:15 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Can we change this thread title? I don't want a single thread for transactions this year. I think all transactions are Action-Packed enough to merit their own thread. Here, here! (Where, where?) The last thing we need is around here are more mindless all-purpose threads.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 15 2010 10:18 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

"Winter Trades?"

Vic Sage Nov 15 2010 11:42 AM Re: Transactions 2010-11

"non-Met winter trades"

Valadius Nov 15 2010 12:03 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Well, if some major trade happens, you could always just start its own thread or spin it off. I'll give you "Offseason Transactions" but I do think there's significant utility in having an all-purpose repository for "minor player traded for minor leaguer" and so on and so forth this offseason.

metirish Nov 15 2010 12:08 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Valadius wrote: Well, if some major trade happens, you could always just start its own thread or spin it off. I'll give you "Offseason Transactions" but I do think there's significant utility in having an all-purpose repository for "minor player traded for minor leaguer" and so on and so forth this offseason. Jesus H Christ .....you sound like a politician

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2010 12:10 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

BOOOO!

Ceetar Nov 15 2010 02:38 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Phillies resign Contreras for 2 years. I'm shaking in my boots!

Valadius Nov 23 2010 12:38 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Aubrey Huff, he of the ridiculous radio interview a few years back, has re-upped with the World Champion San Francisco Chris Russos for 2 years and $22 million.

G-Fafif Nov 23 2010 01:12 PM Re: Transactions 2010-11

Edgy DC wrote: Cameron Maybin, I get the feeling, will play for 10 teams before he's done. But will he ever catch the final ball hit in the life of a stadium again? Delighted the teal reminder of 9/28/08 has left the National League.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 29 2010 11:28 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

And speaking of teal... yeah, were I Alderson, I would have done this... even with the no-arb stipulation. The Marlins have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with Javier Vazquez, pending a physical, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports adds that the deal will be worth $7 million, with a full no-trade clause and the Marlins can not offer Vazquez arbitration.

Ceetar Nov 29 2010 11:34 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: And speaking of teal... yeah, were I Alderson, I would have done this... even with the no-arb stipulation. The Marlins have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with Javier Vazquez, pending a physical, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports adds that the deal will be worth $7 million, with a full no-trade clause and the Marlins can not offer Vazquez arbitration. Are the Marlins "going for it?" or is this their yearly transaction to make sure they don't get yelled at for stealing money again? Seems pretty lose-lose for them. Either Vazquez continues to suck like I expect, or he has a good year and will depart for a more lucrative deal and the Marlins don't even get picks out of it.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2010 11:50 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Dodgers stay busy, get new SS in Juan Uribe for $21 mils over 3 years. If he was older and crappier and more intangiblerier, he could've gotten another 10-14 million per year, easy.

smg58 Nov 29 2010 11:52 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Well the Vazquez signing suggests that the market for pitchers not named Lee is pretty small, and that's encouraging as we still need starter #5. It looks like Juan Uribe is about to get 3 and 21 from the Dodgers, though, so the same can't be said for middle infielders. If I was sure we presently had $7M in payroll room, I might feel worse about the situation. The deal produces no long-term benefit, though, and the Marlins aren't in any better short-term shape than we are.

seawolf17 Nov 29 2010 12:10 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ceetar wrote: Are the Marlins "going for it?" or is this their yearly transaction to make sure they don't get yelled at for stealing money again? The latter. I suppose they'll likely try to deal him midseason to a contender.

Ashie62 Nov 29 2010 12:14 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Dodgers stay busy, get new SS in Juan Uribe for $21 mils over 3 years. If he was older and crappier and more intangiblerier, he could've gotten another 10-14 million per year, easy. Well played McBain.

Frayed Knot Nov 29 2010 12:25 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Dodgers stay busy, get new SS in Juan Uribe for $21 mils over 3 years. If he was older and crappier and more intangiblerier, he could've gotten another 10-14 million per year, easy. And they're doing what exactly with Raffy Furball - who is signed for another year (at $12 mil) plus an option for 2012? My guess is that Uribe plays somewhere other than SS - which, if so, would make his signing less attractive than it looks at first blush. I mean, we are talking about a 31 y/o guy whose .310 OBA in 2010 was 10 points higher than his career average.

smg58 Nov 29 2010 01:26 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The Dodgers have quite a bit of money locked up in infielders. I think Ryan Theriot becomes a non-tender candidate, unless they can arrange a deal for Furcal or Blake.

Edgy DC Nov 29 2010 01:46 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

You know, if the Yankees acquired Rafael Furcal, it would scare the pants of Jeter's negotiating team. They would literally walk into the negotiating room pantless. After they capitulate, the Yankees could flip the guy again, or wind up stuck with a high-priced backup for a season.

Ceetar Nov 29 2010 01:57 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Edgy DC wrote: You know, if the Yankees acquired Rafael Furcal, it would scare the pants of Jeter's negotiating team. They would literally walk into the negotiating room pantless. After they capitulate, the Yankees could flip the guy again, or wind up stuck with a high-priced backup for a season. It's funny, just signing Furcal and releasing him after Jeter caved would probably save them money.

bmfc1 Nov 29 2010 05:40 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 29 2010 05:52 PM

Olney says that the Mets "are closing in on a deal with veteran right-hander Chris Young, who would fit their park perfectly." http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ch03.shtml (corrected because I sometimes can't tell them apart.)

Ceetar Nov 29 2010 05:45 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

bmfc1 wrote: Heyman says that the Mets "are closing in on a deal with veteran right-hander Chris Young, who would fit their park perfectly." http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ch03.shtml Was Olney that said 'fits the park perfectly' I believe. I wonder how much? He had a 8.5 million option declined by the Padres. does he take peanuts so early? He was 85-86 on the gun when he returned last season after shoulder surgery. A lot like John Maine actually, with a lot more upside. Interesting though.

seawolf17 Nov 29 2010 06:23 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Tall, smart, strikes guys out. I like it. If we can get him for somewhere between Maine's $2.5 and Vazquez's $7, that's a good deal.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 30 2010 09:19 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I suppose if I can root for ex-Braves, ex-Phils and ex-MFYs, I can root for a Princeton guy. But it won't be easy. /Hurrah, hurrah, Pennsylva-nye-ah

TransMonk Nov 30 2010 02:12 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I hadn't realized that Troy Tulowitzki was good enough to be locked up for the next 10 years. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=a ... tulowitzki I'm still not sure he's good enough.

metirish Nov 30 2010 02:13 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

That's just nuts.... recession my arse

Frayed Knot Nov 30 2010 02:23 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

TransMonk wrote: I hadn't realized that Troy Tulowitzki was good enough to be locked up for the next 10 years. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=a ... tulowitzki I'm still not sure he's good enough. That's interesting stuff - both because Tulo was pre-FA plus already locked up for the next three years, and because, aside from ARod, you just haven't seen contracts that go out that far in recent years. One of the last that did is actually the Rockies w/Todd Helton - an 11 yr deal IIRC which is slated to end in 2011. Rox got their money's worth in the early years there but Helton, while still decent, has been much closer to average in recent seasons and is simply old and slow now. The obvious comparison here is Jeter because of the position and age as Tulo is one year younger than Jeter was when he signed his just-ended 10 yr contract.

TransMonk Nov 30 2010 02:30 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

ARod, Helton and Jeter were all better than this guy at the time they signed their contracts. Hell, Jeter had a handful of rings. Tulowitzki has already had 40% of his seasons shortened due to injury.

metirish Nov 30 2010 02:33 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Reyes must be thinking , " hey I'll have me some of that".....good times ahead....Pujols is surely worth 3 times this contract ....fucks sake......does Charles Wang now own the Rockies?

Ceetar Nov 30 2010 02:37 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Didn't the Brewers sign ....... to a 10 year deal? or at least a really long one? why can't I remember his name?

Edgy DC Nov 30 2010 02:40 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

TransMonk wrote: ARod, Helton and Jeter were all better than this guy at the time they signed their contracts. Hell, Jeter had a handful of rings. Tulowitzki has already had 40% of his seasons shortened due to injury. But the money's right, right? And it'll only get righter.

TransMonk Nov 30 2010 02:46 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

It's not my money...but it looks to be OK for the talent. The injuries scare me. A LOT. I wonder what prompted them to extend a guy who was already under contract for 3 more years.

Ceetar Nov 30 2010 02:47 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ceetar wrote: Didn't the Brewers sign ....... to a 10 year deal? or at least a really long one? why can't I remember his name? Braun. 8 years actually. and when I searched for his contract i found this thread about a random Gammons rumor about trading him. Mimics the Reyes rumors in a lot of ways. http://brewersfandemonium.yuku.com/topi ... tml?page=1

Frayed Knot Nov 30 2010 03:51 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Edgy DC wrote: TransMonk wrote: ARod, Helton and Jeter were all better than this guy at the time they signed their contracts. Hell, Jeter had a handful of rings. Tulowitzki has already had 40% of his seasons shortened due to injury. But the money's right, right? And it'll only get righter. When a contract calls for an average of $19mil/yr and doesn't even begin for another 4 years it's not a done deal that the money is right and certainly not that it's going to be righter by the time 2020 rolls around.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2010 04:08 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Well, I didn't read the fine print closely, but the bottom line I got was "With the new contract, which includes a club option for 2021, Tulowitzki is guaranteed $157.75 million over 10 seasons, according to contract information obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press." So I'm reading $15.7 million average over ten. I guess the first few years were already locked in and it doesn't actually slice up that way.

Frayed Knot Nov 30 2010 05:08 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

And even at that, saying that you're going to get $16mil worth out of a ballplayer a decade from now is risky enough.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2010 05:26 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Oh, sure, but I was comparing it to Jeter's $18.9 million x 10 a decade ago and... and that's about as far as I went.

smg58 Dec 01 2010 05:23 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Theriot gets traded to the Dodgers. In keeping up the Ollie comparisons, De la Rosa has resigned with his current team for more than he's worth.

metirish Dec 01 2010 06:05 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

smg58 wrote: Theriot gets traded to the Dodgers. In keeping up the Ollie comparisons, De la Rosa has resigned with his current team for more than he's worth. Didn't he get traded by the Dodgers to the Cardinals?

smg58 Dec 01 2010 11:46 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: smg58 wrote: Theriot gets traded to the Dodgers. In keeping up the Ollie comparisons, De la Rosa has resigned with his current team for more than he's worth. Didn't he get traded by the Dodgers to the Cardinals? Duh, my bad.

metirish Dec 05 2010 08:06 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Rosenthal reports that Iwakuma to the A's looks dead as he is supposed to be in the Bay area tomorrow for his physical but he's still in Japan. A's would get back their $19 million posting fee. No one wants to play there.

metirish Dec 06 2010 10:02 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Mark Reynolds traded from the D-Backs to the Orioles.....

Valadius Dec 06 2010 10:21 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: Rosenthal reports that Iwakuma to the A's looks dead as he is supposed to be in the Bay area tomorrow for his physical but he's still in Japan. A's would get back their $19 million posting fee. No one wants to play there. Move them to Sacramento, please.

attgig Dec 06 2010 11:47 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: Mark Reynolds traded from the D-Backs to the Orioles..... dbax signs melvin mora...

metirish Dec 06 2010 11:50 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

attgig wrote: metirish wrote: Mark Reynolds traded from the D-Backs to the Orioles..... dbax signs melvin mora... Two years for four mils , Melvin will have made over 40 million in his career , well worth it too.

Valadius Dec 06 2010 03:13 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

News from the winter meetings, the Mets have apparently been looking at Russell Martin and Fred Lewis.

metirish Dec 06 2010 03:26 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Are the players paraded around a paddock?, because I can see Alderson looking thoughtful with a pipe hanging from his mouth and wearing a tweed cap while his lieutenants do his bidding.

themetfairy Dec 06 2010 03:48 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: Are the players paraded around a paddock?, because I can see Alderson looking thoughtful with a pipe hanging from his mouth and wearing a tweed cap while his lieutenants do his bidding. Maybe there's a swimsuit competition ;)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 06 2010 06:36 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Fred Lewis wouldn't be a bad thing to have. Reserve corner OF with good wheels, decent glove and a little power.

Ashie62 Dec 06 2010 07:49 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Where did this 6 million dollar addition to Mets payroll cap come from.? Are the Mets broke?

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2010 08:16 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ashie62 wrote: Where did this 6 million dollar addition to Mets payroll cap come from.? Are the Mets broke? Huh?

Valadius Dec 07 2010 08:54 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Wiggy to the Rockies, 2 years, $7.5 million.

Valadius Dec 07 2010 08:59 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Also, looks like the Nationals, after radically overspending for Jayson Werth, are going to over-bid everybody for Cliff Lee. I think Werth was a mistake, but it's nice to see the Nats acting like the big-market team they are for the first time.

smg58 Dec 07 2010 09:37 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Valadius wrote: Wiggy to the Rockies, 2 years, $7.5 million. The Rockies have lefty bats on the infield corners, so he's a good fit there.

Ashie62 Dec 07 2010 12:47 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The Mets sign Sid Fernandez pictured with his wife

Valadius Dec 08 2010 02:42 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

George Sherrill to the Braves, 1 year, $1.2 million.

Edgy DC Dec 08 2010 02:42 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Boo.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2010 02:59 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Scott Downs - 35 y/o reliever gets a 3-year deal from the Angels. Nice couple of years recently but ...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2010 08:55 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Frayed Knot wrote: Scott Downs - 35 y/o reliever gets a 3-year deal from the Angels. Nice couple of years recently but ... 3/15, no less.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 12 2010 08:43 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Scott Downs - 35 y/o reliever gets a 3-year deal from the Angels. Nice couple of years recently but ... 3/15, no less. Plus 2yrs/$8 mils given to Takahashi. Angels not scared of signing aging, lefty bullpenners.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2010 03:38 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Minor deal involving 2B Brendan Ryan going from the Cards to Seattle where he'll probably take the starting job and move Chone Figgins back to 3B - and I only bring it up because the price was pitcher Maikel Cleto, the now 21 y/o RHP who was a NYM prospect (supposedly the diamond in the rough) who went in the big 3-way deal for JJ Putz et al. Cleto, 21, was added to the Mariners' 40-man roster on Nov. 19 to protect him from the Rule 5 Draft. The right-hander went 4-9 with a 6.16 ERA in 23 games for Class A High Desert last season and was 2-1 with a 7.91 ERA in six starts for Peoria in the Arizona Fall League.

seawolf17 Dec 12 2010 06:06 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Parnellian numbers for young Cleto there.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2010 06:32 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Yeah, although in his defense, the high-A California League is the biggest hitter-happy circuit in the minors and High Desert specifically (because it's in like the high desert) is maybe the king among pitchers graveyards in that league.

smg58 Dec 13 2010 07:44 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I'd have thought that after how last season went, the Mariners would de-emphasize defense a little and go for some bats. So what's the first thing they do? Trade for a plus defensive shortstop who had a .573 OPS last season, and pencil him in at second base.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2010 09:23 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Yeah, but can you put a dollar value on this kind of tonsorial* acumen? *Funnily enough, he actually looks like an old-timey barber.

Valadius Dec 13 2010 12:56 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

He ought to do a guest spot on Boardwalk Empire.

DocTee Dec 17 2010 06:52 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Orlando Hudson to Sandy Eggo: 2 years, $11.5 million

Benjamin Grimm Dec 17 2010 07:03 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Wait... does that mean he's not gonna be a free agent next year? I didn't know that was possible!

Fman99 Dec 18 2010 06:31 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

DocTee wrote: Orlando Hudson to Sandy Eggo: 2 years, $11.5 million Dang.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2010 11:18 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 18 2010 11:44 AM

First, there was that rough Benoit deal with Detroit. Then, of late: Matt Guerrier to the Dodgers for 3/$12M. Jesse Crain to the South-Siders for 3/$13M. Bobby Jenks to Boston for 2/$12M. Hell, Dan Wheeler grabbed a 1-yr deal with fairly easy vesting player option that equates to 2/$6M. With those same Sawx. The Carrasco deal looks better and better. (Though I do wish we'd made a play for Choate, though, who took a reasonable Carrasco-y 2-year deal to dish for the Fish. Late-blooming flameballer Joel Peralta for 900K to the Rays was also mildly jealous-making.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2010 11:36 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

And speaking of Fish... The Marlins and arbitration-eligible right-hander Ricky Nolasco have hit a stalemate in their talks about a long-term contract extension, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. We heard that "a significant gulf exists between the two sides" back in September. Morosi says they've been exchanging three-year proposals. If the Marlins and Nolasco are unable to agree to a long-term deal, they could simply allow the arbitration process to play out, settling on a one-year contract around $6MM (he earned $3.8MM in 2010). Nolasco is arbitration-eligible for the third time as a Super Two, so the Marlins still control him through 2012.

Edgy DC Dec 18 2010 09:00 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: (Though I do wish we'd made a play for Choate, though, who took a reasonable Carrasco-y 2-year deal to dish for the Fish. Late-blooming flameballer Joel Peralta for 900K to the Rays was also mildly jealous-making.) I was kinda hoping we'd take a stab at Sherrill. (Or, you know, Feliciano.)

bmfc1 Dec 20 2010 09:21 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Rick Ankiel to the Nationals.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2010 09:00 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

- More multi-year middle-relief madness as Jesse Crain gets a three-year/$13mil deal from the ChiSox - Ricky Nolasco gets an extension with Florida (3/$26.5) In the world of more sane one-year contracts -- - Austin Kearns goes back to the Injuns after soiling himself w/the Yanx over the final eight weeks of last season - Bill Hall to Houston, apparently play 2nd base (you never know where he'll wind up) - Rick Ankiel to Washington presumably as the LF replacement for Willingham

smg58 Dec 21 2010 11:43 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I'd have considered Hall as a platoon option at 2B who could help out at other positions, but the Astros gave him decent money and a full-time gig. He's a bit like Ty Wigginton, in that he has to choose between being a very useful platoon player/10th man on a good team or starting for a non-contender. Nolasco's peripherals always suggest better results than he's actually shown to this point. I would not be that comfortable paying a premium for upside when he's coming off two seasons with an ERA above 4.50 in an NL pitchers' park.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 21 2010 11:57 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

In front of a defensive team that's been bottom-five in the league in runs saved for the entirety of his career. Dude, he's like Javy Vazquez but in his arbitration years. The strand rate/BABIP rate with men on has been funky during the last two years. But the peripherals and underlying talent are such that I would wedgie my mama to pay Nolasco that much.

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2010 06:56 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Rockies acquire Matt Lindstrom from the Astros for two minor league arms, neither of which looks all that young (23 & 24) or all that good.

Ashie62 Dec 24 2010 04:48 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Lindstrom had quite a few Astros saves last season. easy come easy go I guess..

Frayed Knot Dec 27 2010 07:54 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Brandon Webb to the Rangers for one year. Not quite an adequate replacement for Cliff Lee these days, but maybe a decent gamble.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 04 2011 11:13 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Chad Cordero for a minor-league deal to the Blue Jays. Good thing we didn't hold onto a guy who pitched in the system last year, can get both righties and lefties out, has little-to-no signing leverage, is now a full 2 years past shoulder surgery and put up 9.1 K/9 and 3+ K/BB ratios in last year's rehab action (35 2/3 IP). No use for that around these parts.

Edgy DC Jan 05 2011 05:33 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

It's not like, with Collins and Oberkfell on the staff, they didn't get a good look at him. One has to be careful of over-Chadding.

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2011 07:03 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Adam LaRoche to man 1B for the Nats - two years + a year 3 option. Also big deals signed by Carlos Gonzalez in Colorado - a 7 year deal which will buy out multiple arb years plus the first few of his FA seasons, $80mil and Dan Uggla recently acquired by Atlanta - locking hisself up for the next 5 years instead of being a FA this coming off-season, $62mil

Edgy DC Jan 05 2011 07:26 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I wonder if they're planning to move him to third?

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2011 07:43 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Edgy DC wrote: I wonder if they're planning to move him to third? As in, after Chipper departs? ... didn't think of that. Depends on who they've got coming up I suppose. Meanwhile the Rangers are supposedly hot on Adrian Beltre's trail - ESPN Deportes says so although no one else seems to confirm - meaning another bumping for Michael Young, this time with nowhere else to go but DH. He's already bounced from 2B to SS and back before winding up at 3rd all due to the acquisitions/promotions of the likes of Alfonso Soriano, Ian Kinsler, and Elvis Andrus. Just turned 34, it seems premature to relegate him to the DH graveyard but he's apparently going to be a good soldier about it.

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2011 12:25 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Beltre to Texas apparently official via a news conference this afternoon - six years for the man who turns 32 opening week.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2011 02:35 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Frayed Knot wrote: Beltre to Texas apparently official via a news conference this afternoon - six years for the man who turns 32 opening week. Just don't give him a pat on the head by way of congratulations.

Frayed Knot Jan 06 2011 10:02 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Edgar Renteria = Cincinnati Red One year deal.

Edgy DC Jan 06 2011 10:46 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

And Derrek Lee is an Oriole.

DocTee Jan 07 2011 11:35 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Matt Garza to Cubs for a boatload of prospects.

metirish Jan 07 2011 11:36 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

DocTee wrote: Matt Garza to Cubs for a boatload of prospects. FU Omar

Edgy DC Jan 07 2011 11:40 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I don't get it.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2011 11:42 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I'll take a guess here... Omar depleted the Mets farm system, which prevented the Mets from being able to trade for Garza?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 07 2011 11:44 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I laughed. He was mocking a dumb Met fan reaction.

Edgy DC Jan 07 2011 11:49 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Oh, Okily. Me dense man. I thought... we at least have enough to get Garza. Omar, for all his whatever, was really restrained at two consecutive trade deadlines and last offseason --- even with the BayPayDay. You can say a lot about recent drafts (cough! Matz! cough!), but the last year and a half he seemed to be less to be a man desperate to save himself (as feared), but more of a man getting his house in order, and sort of allowed the Alderson era to begin before it began. With a few smart moves, a lot of things can come ripe for the Mets at the same time.

smg58 Jan 07 2011 12:10 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The Garza deal boots Tom Gorzelanny out of a role for the Cubs, so don't be surprised if he becomes the subject of more Met-related rumors.

Edgy DC Jan 07 2011 12:20 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I was getting set for Zito rumors.

metirish Jan 07 2011 12:22 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I laughed. He was mocking a dumb Met fan reaction. And of course it wasn't just the fans but the media for a time seemed to always reference any trade with a "Mets never stood a chance because.....".

Frayed Knot Jan 07 2011 02:11 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Not a done deal yet - but as things stand now it's looking like a [u:2t67mdl7]eight player deal[/u:2t67mdl7] where minor leaguers RHP Chris Archer, OF Brandon Guyer, SS Hak-Ju Lee, C Robinson Chirinos and part-time MLer OF Sam Fuld go to Tampa in exchange for Garza and two minor leaguers, one of whom looks to be OF Fernando Perez. Archer appears to be the most promising of the bunch. HJ Lee is a defensive specialist with a questionable bat.

Ceetar Jan 13 2011 07:46 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The former Baltimore Orioles (1901-1902) apparently signed Rafael Soriano 3 years 35 million. Nothing like getting desperate and over paying a middle reliever..unless they don't have real faith in Rivera holding up all season? Their pen, provided we didn't wear out Pedro and Rivera remains one of the few successful pitchers at that age, their pen looks pretty good, which might be a way of masking that their rotation is a head case, and Ace that had knee surgery, and Hughes with the possible addition of Brett Favre...err, Andy Pettitte..later on. cue the "Joba should be a starter" tirade on WFAN.

Gwreck Jan 13 2011 07:52 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I guess Brian Cashman was just flat-out lying when he claimed he would not sign a Type-A free agent.

Frayed Knot Jan 13 2011 08:40 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ceetar wrote: ... Rafael Soriano 3 years 35 million. HOLY GET THE HOOK BATMAN!! That's a lotta scratch for a set-up man. They didn't pay Mariano that kind of cash until about four years ago. Or, put another way, $27 mil/year invested just to get through the 8th & 9th innings. Oh well, at least Yanx fans can feel confident in Cashman's excellent track record for signing multi-million dollar set-up guys: - Steve Karsay -- 4 yrs/$21mil at age 30 ... pitched one full season and then a total of 12 innings over the next three - Kyle Farnsworth -- 3 yrs/$17mil at age 30 ... ~ 170 IPs; 4.50 ERA; 1.45 WHiP - dealt away before the deal ended - Damaso Marte -- 3 yrs/$12 + option at age 34, 1 year (plus option) still remains ... so far: 31 IPs; 6.39; 1.36 WHiP - LaTroy Hawkins -- 1 yr/$3.75mil at age 35 ... 41 IP; 5.71 ERA; 1.44 WHiP - paid Houston to take him by the end of July - Luis Vizcaino -- 1 yr/$3mil at age 32 ... 75 IPs; 4.30 ERA; 1.45 WHiP - Tom Gordon -- 2 yrs/$7.25 at age 36 ... ~ 170 IPs; 2.40 ERA; 1.00 WHiP - Paul Quantrill -- 2 yrs/$6mil at age 35 ... ~ 125 IPs, 6.00 ERA, 1.60 WHiP Gordon worked out well while he was there. The others, not so much.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 13 2011 09:58 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

They must have hired Omar as an advisor.

Ashie62 Jan 14 2011 07:56 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Frayed Knot wrote: ... Rafael Soriano 3 years 35 million. HOLY GET THE HOOK BATMAN!! That's a lotta scratch for a set-up man. They didn't pay Mariano that kind of cash until about four years ago. Or, put another way, $27 mil/year invested just to get through the 8th & 9th innings. Oh well, at least Yanx fans can feel confident in Cashman's excellent track record for signing multi-million dollar set-up guys: - Steve Karsay -- 4 yrs/$21mil at age 30 ... pitched one full season and then a total of 12 innings over the next three - Kyle Farnsworth -- 3 yrs/$17mil at age 30 ... ~ 170 IPs; 4.50 ERA; 1.45 WHiP - dealt away before the deal ended - Damaso Marte -- 3 yrs/$12 + option at age 34, 1 year (plus option) still remains ... so far: 31 IPs; 6.39; 1.36 WHiP - LaTroy Hawkins -- 1 yr/$3.75mil at age 35 ... 41 IP; 5.71 ERA; 1.44 WHiP - paid Houston to take him by the end of July - Luis Vizcaino -- 1 yr/$3mil at age 32 ... 75 IPs; 4.30 ERA; 1.45 WHiP - Tom Gordon -- 2 yrs/$7.25 at age 36 ... ~ 170 IPs; 2.40 ERA; 1.00 WHiP - Paul Quantrill -- 2 yrs/$6mil at age 35 ... ~ 125 IPs, 6.00 ERA, 1.60 WHiP Gordon worked out well while he was there. The others, not so much. When I first saw this I thought Alfonso Soriano was in LF again. This Soriano can be the Yankee closer in the future.

metirish Jan 14 2011 07:59 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Heyman via twitter has proclaimed this the best bullpen in the majors.....in the middle of January no less.....

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2011 08:06 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They must have hired Omar as an advisor. Particularly since the Snooze reports that Soriano can opt out of the deal after each of the first two seasons. That's almost as good as a vesting option. Meanwhile, the Rays are losing half their team but are already inito the restocking plan. While their 1st place finish this past year means their own pick in June's draft isn't until #32, they will pick up selections #24 & 38 for losing Carl Crawford, #31 plus another supplemental (not sure which one yet) for Soriano, plus sandwich picks #50, #54 & #57 for the likes of Joaquin Benoit, Randy Choate and Brad Hawpe (Randy Choate?!?). There are also remaining TB FAs like Grant Balfour (Type A) and Chad Qualls (B) which will net them 3 more picks if/when they sign with another club. In all, they could net 11 picks in a 35 or so player span starting with selection #24. They also have what John Sickels describes as the best RH pitching prospect in baseball (Jeremy Hellickson) and the best LH pitching prospect (Matt Moore) not named Aroldis (Hellickson will pitch this season, Moore is still a ways away); an OF prospect ready to replace Crawford in Desmond Jennings; a young likely closing option (Jake McGee), and just landed five prospects of varying quality from the Cubs in exchange for Matt Garza. THAT is how you reload and stick to a budget.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 14 2011 08:10 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: Heyman via twitter has proclaimed this the best bullpen in the majors.....in the middle of January no less..... I mean who here can't be reminded of the unstoppable-on-paper combination that was going to turn every game the Mets played into a 7 inning lockdown? What folly to even think it's possible. The best thing the MFYs did here was give themselves an experienced backup for a 40-something closer, but half the closers in the league theoretically come on the market every July. They're idiots,. and here's hoping they get exactly what they deserve. Soriano by the way was known to be a douchebag who didn't get along with Maddon.

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2011 08:17 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Established closers [registered trademark] who are potentially on the market next winter: - Heath Bell, Jonathan Papelbon, Francisco Rodriguez, Jonathan Broxton, Matt Capps, and Ryan Franklin. - Plus, if team options are declined, Joe Nathan and Francisco Cordero.

Ceetar Jan 14 2011 08:24 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

In a way, I wonder if the Yankees are worried about Rivera. But they paid a whole ton for someone who's gonna pitch 60 innings. Plus, coupled with CC, they're totally up in the air in terms of long term planning, with these guys being able to pretty much opt out at whim. And no matter how good your bullpen is, you gotta have a lead when you get there to save it. in other news, apparantly Jeff Francis to the Royals.

Edgy DC Jan 14 2011 08:26 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

You know, the best thing about Mariano is that they somehow escaped from the rigid defeatest thinking that ninth innings must be handled by name-brand closers, They had a perfectly good season from John Wetteland and said, fuck it, our setup guy was even better. Rather than fret over whether to use a new guy in the ninth unless they had to, they let Wetteland walk as a free agent and promoted Rivera and the rest is history. Probably got a couple of juicy treats from the compensation picks for Wetteland also.

TransMonk Jan 14 2011 08:40 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ceetar wrote: in other news, apparantly Jeff Francis to the Royals. I guess that makes Chris Young becoming a Met a little more likely.

Ceetar Jan 14 2011 08:43 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

TransMonk wrote: Ceetar wrote: in other news, apparantly Jeff Francis to the Royals. I guess that makes Chris Young becoming a Met a little more likely. Or less depending on how you feel about the Mets finances. You wonder if his price will go up with more demand? Also, depending on w hat Francis got, which i haven't seen anywhere yet.

metirish Jan 14 2011 08:48 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Jeff Francis took a low deal just to play with Francoeur.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 14 2011 09:19 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The MFYs spent $43 million dollars on bullpen upgrades, and they'll be spending about $16 million this year alone! What dopes! Why, they could buy a Perez and most of a Castillo with that money!

smg58 Jan 14 2011 10:24 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Was another offer for Soriano anywhere close? Of course, the Yankees have loads of cash and didn't have anybody else to spend it on. And naturally, anything higher than the 1.73 ERA that Soriano gave the Rays last year will be proof that he can't hack it in New York. Sure it's a big paper improvement for the only team who could shrug off $25M+ per year to two relievers, but since one is over 40 and the other is injury prone, there's potential entertainment value for the rest of us as well.

metirish Jan 14 2011 10:34 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Heyman via twitter has proclaimed this the best bullpen in the majors.....in the middle of January no less..... I mean who here can't be reminded of the unstoppable-on-paper combination that was going to turn every game the Mets played into a 7 inning lockdown? What folly to even think it's possible. The best thing the MFYs did here was give themselves an experienced backup for a 40-something closer, but half the closers in the league theoretically come on the market every July. They're idiots,. and here's hoping they get exactly what they deserve. Soriano by the way was known to be a douchebag who didn't get along with Maddon. had problems with Cox too right? His career numbers leave a lot to be desired, this deal is nuts. http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ra01.shtml

Edgy DC Jan 14 2011 10:35 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The Rays lose the guy, but win multiple other ways. 1) They get the Yankees first-round pick, 2) The Yankees lose their first-round pick, 3) They get a sammich pick, 4) They get that much more luxury tax $$ from the Yankees, and 5) They're not the ones paying the guy if and when the worm turns. But the Yanks.. get the guy. And he's good.

Ceetar Jan 14 2011 02:06 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Oh by the way, because of the luxury tax Soriano's $35M is really $49M.

Ceetar Jan 14 2011 06:15 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Woah. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/columns/story?columnist=matthews_wallace&id=6020636 Now, grain of salt because It's Matthews (and the column itself is gag worthy), but remember when certain Mets players were criticized for possibly getting involved in making decisions about prospects and personnel? Just because it's Rivera doesn't make it better does it?

metirish Jan 14 2011 06:40 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Mets sign catcher Raul Chavez. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkmets/po ... her-chavez

Ashie62 Jan 14 2011 06:46 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: Mets sign catcher Raul Chavez. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkmets/po ... her-chavez Well, if Hugo wasn't available........

metirish Jan 16 2011 06:52 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Bruce Chen gets a $2 million one year deal from KC and could rise to $3.5.......Chen actually won 12 games for KC last season to lead the team....the last two seasons were minor league deals with KC....fair fucks to him.

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2011 09:52 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Soriano by the way was known to be a douchebag who didn't get along with Maddon. According to Bill Madden -- The 31-year-old [Soriano's] makeup is - and should be - of great concern. Despite his league-leading 45 saves and 1.73 ERA, Soriano was hated by almost everyone in Tampa Bay last year. His periodic hissy-fits over being brought into games in non-save situations, or being asked to pitch more than one inning wore thin on Rays manager Joe Maddon. The final straw was the last game of the season - Game 5 of the ALDS versus Texas - when Maddon asked Soriano to pitch the ninth inning with the Rays trailing, 3-1. After throwing a tantrum in the bullpen in front of all his fellow relievers, Soriano trudged into the game and promptly gave up a single to Nelson Cruz and a game-breaking homer to Ian Kinsler.

Ceetar Jan 16 2011 10:04 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

and Girardi has not exactly been known to manage a bullpen well.

metirish Jan 16 2011 10:23 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Heyman had a tweet the other day saying that Cashman did not want Soriano but was overruled by Steinbrenner, " Cashman the team player went along". No link was provided.

Ceetar Jan 16 2011 10:35 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: Heyman had a tweet the other day saying that Cashman did not want Soriano but was overruled by Steinbrenner, " Cashman the team player went along". No link was provided. I posted a link up above regarding some of that. Rivera had a 'big influence'.

Valadius Jan 16 2011 11:26 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Well now, won't this be delicious? I can just imagine a backstabbing, tantrum-throwing Soriano moving to undercut Rivera and undermine Girardi all season long on some ego-driven quest to take the closer's job for himself.

metirish Jan 17 2011 01:31 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Grozelanny to the Nationals, I guess Young probably won't be going there. This trade should be good news for the Mets such as that is.

attgig Jan 17 2011 03:30 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

pending physical, Chris Young is finally a met...

smg58 Jan 17 2011 05:38 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The Cubs got three prospects for Gorzelanny, none rated higher than C+ by Sickels. A fair haul for a guy who isn't great but will likely outperform his salary. Alderson appears to have chosen signing the guy with upside over dealing for safe mediocrity. And why not?

Frayed Knot Jan 18 2011 07:23 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

- Jon Rauch - the 6' 11" "Wookie" (according to Keith) - bucks the multi-year reliever trend and accepts a 1-year deal with Toronto - Alex Cora hooks up with the Nationals on a minor league contract. He gets 900K + another possible 600K if he makes the squad. The deal doesn't appear to have any vesting options. - Jason Giambi re-ups with the Rockies although on a minor league contract

metirish Jan 18 2011 10:52 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Scott Hairston to the Mets on a minor league deal says Rubin.

TransMonk Jan 18 2011 12:14 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Pelf avoids arbitration and signs 1 year $4M deal: An organization source said the deal will pay Pelfrey $3.925 million during the upcoming season. He can earn $50,000 extra in performance bonuses. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkmets/po ... ets-settle

smg58 Jan 18 2011 12:30 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Gil Meche announces his retirement due to lingering shoulder issues, walking away from $12M in the process. I like Hairston as a pickup. He'd be one injury or trade away from getting a call-up, and if last year was an aberration he'll have some value. After playing most of his home games at Petco, he won't be intimidated by Citi.

attgig Jan 18 2011 02:19 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Armando Galarraga DFA'ed by tigers... could be a possibility for the Mets...no?

metirish Jan 18 2011 02:20 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

attgig wrote: Armando Galarraga DFA'ed by tigers... could be a possibility for the Mets...no? The guy who threw the no -no-hitter?

Ceetar Jan 18 2011 02:24 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: attgig wrote: Armando Galarraga DFA'ed by tigers... could be a possibility for the Mets...no? The guy who threw the no -no-hitter? yeah, that one. numbers aren't taht great otherwise. He'd have to be paid the 2.3 million i believe...and perhaps traded for as well? (preseason waivers confuse me) The idea here being that they'd rather him starting in AAA and are trying to get him off the 40man? Sorta like the Mets did with Igarashi?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 18 2011 02:26 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Wow. They had a lot of surplus in the rotation with Penny coming aboard, but... wow. Iffy peripherals, though. I would have liked Jon Rauch for a year. Guys who can strike out guys who bat from either side, and who don't walk a lot of guys? We can use those guys.

Valadius Jan 18 2011 04:39 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I feel like we've had the Jon Rauch discussion every year the past five years running. We did just get 6'10" Chris Young.

DocTee Jan 18 2011 05:21 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Gil Meche announces his retirement due to lingering shoulder issues Bullet dodged there. Wasn't he linked to the Mets? Perhaps for Ollie? I like Hairston as a pickup, too.

metirish Jan 18 2011 05:23 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

DocTee wrote: Gil Meche announces his retirement due to lingering shoulder issues Bullet dodged there. Wasn't he linked to the Mets? Perhaps for Ollie? I like Hairston as a pickup, too. IIRC Bucket wanted to throw a bucket load of money at him back then....right JCL?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2011 06:47 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I wanted his brother Jerry, IIRC. (more versatile). And it wasn't that we had to throw money at him, he signed cheaply with the Reds as I recall. It was that we instead spent on stiffs like Cora and Tatis. Anyway, Scott seems to have more sock than his big brother but not as much all-aroundness.

metirish Jan 18 2011 06:55 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

No no , I mean Meche.....for a few seconds I was going Jerry Meche....who the fuck it that....a reliever?....

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2011 06:59 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

metirish wrote: No no , I mean Meche.....for a few seconds I was going Jerry Meche....who the fuck it that....a reliever?.... Ah. I was willing to roll the dice on Meche as the kind of guy the Mets could get just for daring to pay his salary. He used to be very tuff on the MFYs and I think it warped my judgment a little.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 18 2011 07:56 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Valadius wrote: I feel like we've had the Jon Rauch discussion every year the past five years running. We did just get 6'10" Chris Young. Yes, but if we'd gotten Rauch, we could start him at the pivot and Young could spend more time working for midrange stuff and banging the boards.

Frayed Knot Jan 20 2011 06:57 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Carl 'The American Idle' Pavano, the last remaining 'Type A' FA, re-ups with the Twins on a 2-year deal. Three 'Type B' FAs remain on the market: reliever Chad Qualls; reliever/wannabe starter Aaron Heilman; and infielder Felipe Lopez. If/when Qualls signs with a team other than the Rays it will give Tampa its [u[seventh sandwich pick and [u:30g597wb]11 of the first 77[/u:30g597wb] choices in next June's draft. Or they could re-sign him themselves and make do with only 10 of those picks.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2011 07:16 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

I thought Heilman signed with Arizona?

Frayed Knot Jan 20 2011 07:41 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

He's a FA from Arizona but I don't believe he's re-upped there and anywhere else at the moment.

Ceetar Jan 20 2011 07:44 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I thought Heilman signed with Arizona? I thought I saw that he resigned as well.

Frayed Knot Jan 20 2011 08:03 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Looks like he re-signed w/Az two days ago.

Valadius Jan 21 2011 05:34 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Vernon Wells to the Angels for Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera.

smg58 Jan 21 2011 06:56 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Hmm. If the Angels would take Wells (owed $86M over the next four years), then presumably they'd have taken Bay as well.

Frayed Knot Jan 21 2011 07:03 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 22 2011 08:29 PM

Valadius wrote: Vernon Wells to the Angels for Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera. That qualifies as a WOW!! Deal not official yet and the Jays are reportedly picking up at least some of Wells's contract, one which was pretty much modeled on the Beltran contract but still has $86 million to go over the next four years. Wells can opt out after the 2011 season when he draws $23 million but there's no way he's doing that when he can earn $21 million each in '12, '13 and '14.

Valadius Jan 21 2011 07:08 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Also, the Rays get a pair of aging bats, as Manny Ramirez and Johnny Damon will reunite, heading to Tampa Bay.

Gwreck Jan 21 2011 10:14 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

smg58 wrote: Hmm. If the Angels would take Wells (owed $86M over the next four years), then presumably they'd have taken Bay as well. Interesting point. I guess Bay can't play center field but still.

Ashie62 Jan 22 2011 08:19 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Gwreck wrote: smg58 wrote: Hmm. If the Angels would take Wells (owed $86M over the next four years), then presumably they'd have taken Bay as well. Interesting point. I guess Bay can't play center field but still. Would you take Bay?

metirish Jan 22 2011 08:27 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 22 2011 08:47 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: when he can earn $21 million each in '12, '13 and '14. Fucking hell.....

Ashie62 Jan 22 2011 08:44 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Professional sports-The theater of the Absurd.

smg58 Jan 23 2011 10:57 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ashie62 wrote: Gwreck wrote: smg58 wrote: Hmm. If the Angels would take Wells (owed $86M over the next four years), then presumably they'd have taken Bay as well. Interesting point. I guess Bay can't play center field but still. Would you take Bay? No, but who would have thought before Friday that anybody would have taken Wells and that contract?

attgig Jan 24 2011 01:51 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: attgig wrote: Armando Galarraga DFA'ed by tigers... could be a possibility for the Mets...no? The guy who threw the no -no-hitter? yeah, that one. numbers aren't taht great otherwise. He'd have to be paid the 2.3 million i believe...and perhaps traded for as well? (preseason waivers confuse me) The idea here being that they'd rather him starting in AAA and are trying to get him off the 40man? Sorta like the Mets did with Igarashi? they're saying he's going to arizona now. not official, but that's the talk anyways.

Ashie62 Jan 24 2011 02:40 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Gil Meche has been signed by the Mets to a minor league contract per Rubin/Twitter

seawolf17 Jan 24 2011 02:44 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ashie62 wrote: Gil Meche has been signed by the Mets to a minor league contract per Rubin/Twitter Except that he retired last week. (Meche, not Rubin.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 24 2011 02:55 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Ashie62 wrote: Gil Meche has been signed by the Mets to a minor league contract per Rubin/Twitter ?

Ceetar Jan 24 2011 02:56 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

seawolf17 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Gil Meche has been signed by the Mets to a minor league contract per Rubin/Twitter Except that he retired last week. (Meche, not Rubin.) you got my hopes up. I thought Gil needed surgery? I know it's always better to play for a contender but why would someone walk away from that contract to sign a crappy gutshot deal with the Mets?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 24 2011 03:54 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

the real question is why the post was made in the first place.

seawolf17 Jan 24 2011 06:02 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

And I can't find it anywhere in Rubin's tweets.

Ashie62 Jan 24 2011 09:24 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

It was an odd attempt at humor...at best..

metirish Jan 25 2011 01:36 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Napoli gets flipped to Texas for Frank Francisco

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 25 2011 03:10 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

They've got young Arencibia and some flotsam at catcher, the Angels do. Francisco's good, but... he's a bullpen arm. Napoli's an underappreciated power-hitting catcher. Seemingly odd move. So not only do the Angels get the gift of Wells for four years of his contract, but they've just facilitated an offensive upgrade for their main division rivals? Nice.

smg58 Jan 25 2011 07:05 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

It's a better move for Texas than Toronto, although Napoli wasn't a great fit it Toronto because of Arencibia. Napoli's no Piazza, but I can't see how his glove hurts more than his bat helps.

seawolf17 Jan 26 2011 10:31 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Bartolo Colon to the Yankees. Between him and Sabathia, they're going to owe luxury tax just on their clubhouse catering bills alone.

metirish Jan 26 2011 10:49 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

seawolf17 wrote: Bartolo Colon to the Yankees. Between him and Sabathia, they're going to owe luxury tax just on their clubhouse catering bills alone. What does Cashman think of the move?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 26 2011 12:39 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

MORE PINSTRIPES ON THE UNI BY SEASON'S END? WHO YA GOT? C. Sabathia EVEN B. Colon 3:1 Depressed, Eating-His-Feelings R. Martin 20:1

Edgy DC Jan 26 2011 12:43 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Still here:

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 26 2011 02:13 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Revised. MORE PINSTRIPES ON THE UNI BY SEASON'S END? WHO YA GOT? C. Sabathia EVEN B. Colon 3:1 Lord Chamberlain of Yellboro 7:2 Planetary Romulo Sanchez: 8:1 Swisher: 12:1 Depressed, Eating-His-Feelings R. Martin 20:1

FIELD: 15:1

Frayed Knot Jan 26 2011 03:03 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The hell with a salary cap, how 'bout a team weight limit?

Vic Sage Jan 26 2011 03:29 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

25-man roster should not exceed 3 tons. If they tip the scale, they start getting limbs amputated.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2011 10:22 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Elbow and hip injuries in the last two years... but with a career 3.13 ERA, 139 ERA+, 2.87 K/BB ratio, and good experience in both the rotation (32 starts, 3.01 ERA, 1.10 WHIP) and the pen (where he's had three separate seasons of 1.5+ WAR). He's 32, and there was a depression issue the last year or two. But he's damn good, and damn versatile... and can probably be signed for a fairly budget-friendly 1-2 year deal. Why isn't Justin Duchschereron Team Alderson's radar?

seawolf17 Jan 27 2011 11:37 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Wasn't he originally looking for a big-time payday? If he'd take a Chris Young deal, I'd be all over it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 31 2011 02:36 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

And a "Chris Young deal"-- 700K guaranteed, 1.1M if he makes the roster, up to 3.4M in bonuses--was what he took. With Bawl'mer.

Ceetar Jan 31 2011 02:45 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Elbow and hip injuries in the last two years... but with a career 3.13 ERA, 139 ERA+, 2.87 K/BB ratio, and good experience in both the rotation (32 starts, 3.01 ERA, 1.10 WHIP) and the pen (where he's had three separate seasons of 1.5+ WAR). He's 32, and there was a depression issue the last year or two. But he's damn good, and damn versatile... and can probably be signed for a fairly budget-friendly 1-2 year deal. Why isn't Justin Duchschereron Team Alderson's radar? I've always liked that guy, thought Omar should've looked into getting him last year even. With the talk of maybe Capuano to the pen, he could have the fifth spot with Gee being wing-eating depth.

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2011 11:37 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Lastings Milledge: minor league deal w/ST invite from ChiSox

Valadius Feb 03 2011 11:56 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Frayed Knot wrote: Lastings Milledge: minor league deal w/ST invite from ChiSox [youtube]EELpNGhpuvU[/youtube]

Rockin' Doc Feb 04 2011 07:44 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Big Bad Vlad is an Oriole. Vladimir Guerrero agrees to a one year ($8 mil.) deal to be the Orioles clean up hitting DH.

Valadius Feb 04 2011 07:53 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

The Orioles look like they're going for... something this year. But that's certainly an improvement over nothing.

Fman99 Feb 04 2011 08:06 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Frayed Knot wrote: Lastings Milledge: minor league deal w/ST invite from ChiSox Wow. The luster's come off of this penny. He had one good second half in Washington in '08 and not much else. Peace out, L'Millz.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2011 11:05 PM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Beltre to Texas apparently official via a news conference this afternoon - six years for the man who turns 32 opening week. Just don't give him a pat on the head by way of congratulations. Oh, that's just great.

Edgy DC Apr 09 2011 07:25 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Amazin'. Athletes have just got to keep poking the bear. They've just got to.

metirish Apr 09 2011 07:28 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Beltre to Texas apparently official via a news conference this afternoon - six years for the man who turns 32 opening week. Just don't give him a pat on the head by way of congratulations. Oh, that's just great. that is just so funny......he has a thing huh?

themetfairy Apr 09 2011 07:37 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LOL!

smg58 Apr 09 2011 09:33 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Edgy DC wrote: Amazin'. Athletes have just got to keep poking the bear. They've just got to. Right. I just don't see how the pro of the humor value outweighs the rather large con of antagonizing a teammate.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 09 2011 09:38 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Maybe he, like, Hulks out once you agitate him enough. (Might explain 2004's and 2010's performance spikes.) If not, now that he's a Ranger, he's got to be fair game. I wonder, though... I'd imagine unwanted touching of any kind that's out of game-flow (i.e., not tagging, sliding) is against the book, but is, say, playing "I'm not touching you" with a runner's scalp legal?

smg58 Apr 09 2011 10:02 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Maybe he, like, Hulks out once you agitate him enough. (Might explain 2004's and 2010's performance spikes.) I figure last year had to do with playing in a friendly park for the first time, and 2004 was the result of juicing in a contract year. Then again, last year was a contract year as well.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 09 2011 10:23 AM Re: Offseason Transactions 2010-11

Or maybe they were rubbing his head a bunch! /Prefers his speculation painted in whimsical, four-colored swaths