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Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 08:49 AM

Can they really re-sign Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, and Andy Pettitte as well as land Cliff Lee and Jayson Werth, and pay the luxury taxes. Really? I mean, none of those guys are likely to get better, and most of them are likely to get worse. I mean the following numbers aren't that crazy: Jeter: Four years, $70 million. Rivera: Three years, $50 mIllion. Pettitte: Two years, $25 million. Lee: Seven years, $150 million. Werth: Three years, $45 million. Am I wrong or is that the price of doing business these days? That's $340 million in commitments (again, plus the luxury taxes) and no guartantees of anything, really. I know being a Yankee fan means you wake up on Christmas morning with everything on your list under the tree and none of the parts missing and the batteries in your stocking ready to be plugged in, but holy moly, that's a heckuva list Daddy's got to fill. Cano is starting to get 'spensive, too.

Willets Point Nov 12 2010 08:55 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Yep, they'll do it. And then they will hoist trophy #28. You heard it here first.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2010 09:00 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Snooze today has them eyeing Jorge dela Rosa of COL. Not a bad idea for us guys neither

Ceetar Nov 12 2010 09:05 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

No. I don't think they get Werth. Pettittes been doing one year deals mostly, and they were reluctant to pay him what they did this year, and I can't imagine they'll pay the same next. I think they may let him walk. I heard a rumor (rumor's too nice a word, I think it was Francesa) that Rivera wants a one year deal because he doesn't want to leave a contract on the table or something. I don't believe it. I'm not sure what they'll do. They need pitching as much as we do. if they do get Lee, that's a big deal, but that's a big chunk of cash. I guess they'd try to get Pettitte cheap or go in-house for a 5th guy. They have a lot of work to do as well, on the cheaper end of things. They really need a solid backup 3B/SS, and I'm not sure how much they like what they've got there. The talk is they're promoting that catching prospect of theirs, taht supposedly isn't as far along with catching as Thole even, so I imagine they want to get a decent backup besides Cervelli...who didn't seem very good. I guess they may be casting Posada in that role when he's not DHing?

attgig Nov 12 2010 09:05 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

not sure about the years on jeter/pettite/mo, but the $/year looks right. and yeah. i can see them doing that. and there was a report about delarosa, who i'm guessing they'd take over pettitte. here's to hoping lee stays in texas.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 09:06 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Yeah, but... they've got to at least forsake Werth and go with Jesus Montero instead, right?

attgig Nov 12 2010 09:07 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ceetar wrote: They need pitching as much as we do. I don't know about that. their ace isn't questionable for 2010, and the rest of the rotation, while not lockdown isn't has full of question marks as our rotation is.

attgig Nov 12 2010 09:09 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, but... they've got to at least forsake Werth and go with Jesus Montero instead, right? for RF? not sure if Montero will be able to man the OF quite yet. I suppose he can come in as DH and occasionally playing in the field (C/OF), but not quite the same as having Werth in the OF. They can realistically have both. trade away thames or swisher and have a pretty good of.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 09:11 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Everybody needs pitching. Don't succumb to ace-lust.

metirish Nov 12 2010 09:12 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I would think Werth looks for and gets Bay money.

attgig Nov 12 2010 09:13 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metirish wrote: I would think Werth looks for and gets Bay money. I thought he turned down bay money from philly. He's looking for Holliday money.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 12 2010 09:17 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

He may just be worth Holliday money. Montero's athleticism is about as iffy as his hitting is superlative (remember Mikey stumbling around at first?)... so while you can stick him in the outfield, he's someone for whom you'll have to cover if you do. They're better off sticking with their outfield as is, methinks. Either way, I look forward to watching Montero's exploits with the glove.

Ceetar Nov 12 2010 09:30 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

attgig wrote: Ceetar wrote: They need pitching as much as we do. I don't know about that. their ace isn't questionable for 2010, and the rest of the rotation, while not lockdown isn't has full of question marks as our rotation is. I was actually referring to quantity of guys they need. But I'm not so sure CC (off surgery), Burnett, and Hughes is markedly, amazingly, better than Dickey-Pelfrey-Niese. Particularly if Burnett continues the Perez impression.

metsmarathon Nov 12 2010 09:33 AM Re: Yankee Offseason Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 12 2010 09:34 AM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: He may just be worth Holliday money. going into their respective offseasons, werth's worth is more bay than holliday.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 09:34 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Have you written off Santana?

metsmarathon Nov 12 2010 09:35 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

from a roster-building standpoint, wouldn't it be wise to?

Ceetar Nov 12 2010 09:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metsmarathon wrote: from a roster-building standpoint, wouldn't it be wise to? I'll feel better about Santana once he starts throwing and is on a timetable for return.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 12 2010 09:50 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

You really have to plan on nothing from Santana, and proceed from there. When you count on some indefinite midseason return from your injured studs, you get the last two seasons of Met baseball. metsmarathon wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: He may just be worth Holliday money. going into their respective offseasons, werth's worth is more bay than holliday. Fair enough. Then, Holliday's not really worth Holliday money.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 09:50 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Build the staff with redundancy no matter what, i say, But he's going to give them something this year, right?

Ceetar Nov 12 2010 09:59 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: Build the staff with redundancy no matter what, i say, But he's going to give them something this year, right? Yes, but I think that number can range anywhere from 10-28 starts. You gotta build the team very differently for those two extremes. The longer he's out, the better a pitcher to replace him should be.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 10:03 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I can't belive you've polluted my Yankee thread with all this Met talk.

attgig Nov 12 2010 10:06 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

oh, just realized. no talk of carl crawford in here. what if they sign both crawford and werth?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2010 10:12 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Maybe we should have taken the Jorge de la Rosa hijack. Or does a free agent Mexican lefty with strikeout stuff but some control issues scare people?

metirish Nov 12 2010 10:15 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

attgig wrote: oh, just realized. no talk of carl crawford in here. what if they sign both crawford and werth? Apparently the Angels will strike very quickly and get him.

Fman99 Nov 12 2010 10:19 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Willets Point wrote: Yep, they'll do it. And then they will hoist trophy #28. You heard it here first. Steve J. Willets

HahnSolo Nov 12 2010 10:22 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: I mean the following numbers aren't that crazy: Jeter: Four years, $70 million. Rivera: Three years, $50 mIllion. Pettitte: Two years, $25 million. Lee: Seven years, $150 million. Werth: Three years, $45 million. Four years for Jeter sounds about right, but I go lower 4/$50m. I think they will go 2 years on Rivera, something like 2/$28m, and 1 year on Pettitte for about 10M. They'll chase Lee, but I don't think they will go to 7 years. How about 6 at $125m? As to Werth, I have thought they were doing a stealth recruitment of either Werth or Crawford, despite proclamations that they really like the Gardner, Granderson, Swisher combo and were not looking to upgrade the OF. I think they will pull a Teixeira, and swoop in at the last minute to grab Crawford, since he's a bit younger. They'll be willing to give him 6 years and more than $100m, because they can. Semi-bold prediction: in addition to Mo, they grab Soriano in a 2 or 3 year deal. $8-$10 m per.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 10:26 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

You may not go, but I'm trying to anticipate where the Yanquis will go, and what the agents will demand. (I mice elf wouldn't go over two years, $10 million for Jeter, so...) C.C. Sabathia got seven years. Santana got six plus an option year that becomes guaranteed if he hits some reachable markers. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Lee look for that sort of length and land somewhere close.

HahnSolo Nov 12 2010 11:56 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Those are my predictions on what the Yanks will do (I agree with your take on Jeter's worth). Santana and Sabathia were both at least a couple of years younger than Lee when they signed their respective contracts...that's why I see them not going to a seventh year.

Frayed Knot Nov 12 2010 12:04 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

You have to remember that Jeter, Rivera & Pettitte aren't going to up the total salary as their per/year rates will probably be around where they were and maybe a bit lower. Vazquez ($11-ish) comes off the books so if/when Lee gets $20+ only half of that is "new" money as far as 2011 is concerned. Cano is going to get expensive but he signed one of those arb-eligible deals so, again, will make about the same in '11 as in '10 Granderson & Swisher are on multi-year deals that probably go up but whatever the increase it's a known quantity. They've already told Posada he's essentially the full-time DH. He'll get the occasional start I'm sure but their system is kind of catcher-happy right now and they'll probably go with a combination of Montero and some glove-first guy behind the dish. No way Montero plays OF from what I know about him and I don't think it's in his future either.

seawolf17 Nov 12 2010 12:05 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Rivera: 1 year, $15 mil - he'll go year to year until retirement Pettitte: 1 year, $15 mil - so will Andy Jeter: 4 years, $85 mil - no way he takes a pay cut Crawford: 6 years, $110 mil Lee: 6 years, $110 mil Werth: 6 years, $100 mil And they'll trade Gardner for a setup man.

Edgy DC Nov 12 2010 12:11 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Not for nothing, but why should Rivera go year-to-year? Any team in baseball would sign him to a multi-year deal. Any. Team. In baseball.

Ceetar Nov 12 2010 12:21 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: Not for nothing, but why should Rivera go year-to-year? Any team in baseball would sign him to a multi-year deal. Any. Team. In baseball. Cause Mike Francessa says he's awesome and doesn't want to leave a contract on the table if he's done early. Here's a question. I read a report that Rivera gets more 'borderline' strikes than any other pitcher. If he were to go elsewhere, without the Yankees uniform, would that still be the case? Or would there be some separate from the "great rivera" of the Yankees and an older veteran on another team that onced played for the Yankees?

Frayed Knot Nov 20 2010 07:45 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Initial reports have the Yanx offering Jeter a contract of 3 x $15 sometime in the next few days - a deal which represents a pay cut both from the average per/yr rate of the just-expired contract ($18.9) and especially the last years of that deal (~$21). It also takes him just through age 39 as compared to the deal for his fellow left-side infielder which runs until he's 42. The fun part comes via rumors that are starting to come out - at least some of which have all the markings of intentional leaks from Levine or the Steinbrenner boys. One says the team wants to pay him "strictly as a ballplayer" (implication: NOT as an icon) while another suggests that this is a good deal "unless his ego gets in the way", something which sounds like a preemptive strike against higher/longer requests. One report talked about the two sides being some $45-50 million apart - implying that maybe the (officially silent so far) Jeter camp is doing some leaking of its own about wanting something closer to 5 x $18.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2010 08:29 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

One thing I read said that Jeter was looking for $20 million times six years. There's not a chance in the world that he'll be worth $20 million at age 43 (not to mention the five years preceding that). If that's really what he's asking, he's nuts.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2010 09:16 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

If the Yankees are being sincere when they say that they want to pay Jeter strictly as a player, then 3 x $15M is an exceedingly generous offer. I think that the Yankees have most of the leverage here. The few other teams that can afford to top the Yankees 3x15M offer would be crazy to do so. What's Jeter gonna do?

OlerudOwned Nov 20 2010 09:42 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If the Yankees are being sincere when they say that they want to pay Jeter strictly as a player, then 3 x $15M is an exceedingly generous offer. I think that the Yankees have most of the leverage here. The few other teams that can afford to top the Yankees 3x15M offer would be crazy to do so. What's Jeter gonna do? I think the Red Sox should blow him away with an offer, just as an astronomically expensive practical joke.

Ceetar Nov 20 2010 10:21 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

OlerudOwned wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: If the Yankees are being sincere when they say that they want to pay Jeter strictly as a player, then 3 x $15M is an exceedingly generous offer. I think that the Yankees have most of the leverage here. The few other teams that can afford to top the Yankees 3x15M offer would be crazy to do so. What's Jeter gonna do? I think the Red Sox should blow him away with an offer, just as an astronomically expensive practical joke. I think the Phillies should, and then have him play second and move Utley.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2010 10:39 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Or maybe the Mets will sign Jeter and move Jose to second base!

Ashie62 Nov 20 2010 10:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If the Yankees are being sincere when they say that they want to pay Jeter strictly as a player, then 3 x $15M is an exceedingly generous offer. I think that the Yankees have most of the leverage here. The few other teams that can afford to top the Yankees 3x15M offer would be crazy to do so. What's Jeter gonna do? Retire. Uh, no...I'm guessing when all is said and done 4 years for 80 Million.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2010 11:26 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: One thing I read said that Jeter was looking for $20 million times six years. There's not a chance in the world that he'll be worth $20 million at age 43 (not to mention the five years preceding that). If that's really what he's asking, he's nuts. I'm going to disagree. Public realitons are on his side. While the whole world thinks he's a prince, he'll certainly use that to negotiate like a highwayman. Their publicity machine made an icon of him, created this brand (Paladin of Intagnible Grace) and inextricably linked it to the Yankee brand --- which would be degraded without him. He's got them where he wants them, and I'd be unsuprised to see him get $20 million x 6 ou tof them. I'd also be unsurprised to hear insinuations that if George were alive, this would be done by now. The card they have (and I don't discount it) is "Who else is going to play you what we're offering?" And that's true, because anybody thinking it through knows that whole 'makes the whole team better' thing is horseshit. Maybe he sits out if he doesn't get what he wants. It didn't work for Bernie Williams, but he's not Bernie.

Frayed Knot Nov 20 2010 11:56 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Or maybe the Mets will sign Jeter and move Jose to second base! Heard that suggested on FAN just last night ... by a Met fan!! And he appeared to be serious too - claimed it would send attendance soaring.

Fman99 Nov 20 2010 01:32 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Good. Keep the boondoggle contracts coming (on that side of the river, anyway). They'll be paying him, A-Rod, and other assorted shuffleboarders long past their usefulness.

Fman99 Nov 22 2010 06:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Oh, the hyperbole train keeps a rollin' thanks to our moronic friend Wally Matthews. Now, Jeter is the modern-day Babe Ruth, at least according to his agent (quoting the Yankees vaguely). Like the Babe, I have something stuck in my throat. Not a tumor, just a wad of Monday vomit. The article draws an interesting parallel, documenting the slowly decreasing salaries that Ruth and Mantle faced, pre-reserve clause. It doesn't apply here, now, but still. The radio hacks like Kay make it sound like it'd be an affront to Jeter to offer him less than the $18.9 mil per year he's averaged for the last 10 years.

Ceetar Nov 22 2010 06:51 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Fman99 wrote: Oh, the hyperbole train keeps a rollin' thanks to our moronic friend Wally Matthews. Now, Jeter is the modern-day Babe Ruth, at least according to his agent (quoting the Yankees vaguely). Like the Babe, I have something stuck in my throat. Not a tumor, just a wad of Monday vomit. The article draws an interesting parallel, documenting the slowly decreasing salaries that Ruth and Mantle faced, pre-reserve clause. It doesn't apply here, now, but still. The radio hacks like Kay make it sound like it'd be an affront to Jeter to offer him less than the $18.9 mil per year he's averaged for the last 10 years. Ruth made so much more money in his day than anyone else, and prorated to modern day he'd be making less than Cervelli. But let them draw all the parallels they want, Ruth ended his career in Boston.

Frayed Knot Nov 22 2010 07:16 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Fman99 wrote: Now, Jeter is the modern-day Babe Ruth, at least according to his agent (quoting the Yankees vaguely). The point Casey Close [the agent] is making is that the Yanx were all too happy to tout Jeter's worth as more than just his ball-playing skills and bill him as "their Ruth" for this generation ... but now that it's time to actually pay him they're making sure to tell anyone with a notepad that this is "strictly a baseball contract". Mathews is saying that even though it's a different time and different rules, given the NYY track record, Close shouldn't be surprised that this is how the team plays hardball. What makes it even worse for the player/agent side is the days of a Steinbrenner bending over for an agent with a last-minute, above-market contract based on appeals to sentimentality or short-term back-page pub [George w/Bernie, Hank w/ARod] appears to be over as the bean-counters seem to be totally in charge in Yanqui-land these days. I still think Jeter winds up in the Bronx and probably gets more than the 3x$15 that's being floated about (no formal offer made so far apparently) but it's going to be interesting to see how willing to dig their heels in each side is going to get.

Edgy DC Nov 22 2010 07:19 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Frayed Knot wrote: What makes it even worse for the player/agent side is the days of a Steinbrenner bending over for an agent with a last-minute, above-market contract based on appeals to sentimentality or short-term back-page pub [George w/Bernie, Hank w/ARod] appears to be over as the bean-counters seem to be totally in charge in Yanqui-land these days. Appears to be so, but it's still an open question, I think. I'm excited to see this play out. There's two ways that Yankees can lose!

MFS62 Nov 22 2010 07:50 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

My Conspiracy Theory: Jeter has already agreed on a contract with the Yankees, if not already signed it. But it has not been announced yet, so the Yankee writers could have something to write about while the Mets have been searching for a manager. Later

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2010 08:11 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Frayed Knot wrote: I still think Jeter winds up in the Bronx and probably gets more than the 3x$15 that's being floated about (no formal offer made so far apparently) but it's going to be interesting to see how willing to dig their heels in each side is going to get. I'd bet anything that Jeter signs for more than the 3x$15M currently on the table. But that's only because that's how negotiations typically are: the player initially demands more than he wants and the team's first offer is for less than it's willing to pay.

metsmarathon Nov 22 2010 08:13 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

i love the notion that the yankees somehow owe jeter for all that he's done for the team, as if averaging $19M for the prior ten years wasn't due compensation.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 22 2010 09:18 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: What makes it even worse for the player/agent side is the days of a Steinbrenner bending over for an agent with a last-minute, above-market contract based on appeals to sentimentality or short-term back-page pub [George w/Bernie, Hank w/ARod] appears to be over as the bean-counters seem to be totally in charge in Yanqui-land these days. Appears to be so, but it's still an open question, I think. I'm excited to see this play out. There's two ways that Yankees can lose! I'm not sure for which I'm rooting. The wailing and gnashing that would accompany his leaving might be fun for a little bit... but after the first few months, it'll be difficult to stomach. Too much candy, y'know?

Ceetar Nov 22 2010 09:34 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

If he stays without looking like the greedy scum he is, it'll suck. However, if he leaves and fades away with the Royals or something, We're gonna get a couple of months worth of "Oh, great joy! Jeter has finally re turned to the stadium like he belongs! how wonderful life is isn't it?" some time down the road. Although the drama of maybe AJ beaning him in a game, or him hitting a walk off homer against them with that short porch (wait..the biggest problem here might be a situation where I could actually want to root for Jeter. ick. i feel dirty already) might be fun.

Edgy DC Nov 22 2010 05:37 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

"I've loved everything about beng a Yankee, but I have my self-respect and I can't accept anything less than five years, $100 million." "Derek, our offer is on the table, it's final, and if you walk away from it, we're going give number two to the bushiest bush leaguer that stumbles out of the bush, and continually re-assign it to every scrub infielder we call up, in perpetuity. We're going to take this pile of money you're so insulted by and invest it in a real shortstop that will make fans regret every cheer they ever gave you." "Now guys, let's not get... I'm just trying to say..." "We'll release the internal documents that show how we've known all along how shit your range was, how we've carefully coordinated the spinning of your obvious limitations into graces, how Fat George's accounts had been paying off the Gold Glove voters for years." "It's just that a pay cut is..." "Have fun in Anaheim, jackass. We really hope they like that stupid jumpy-throwy thing."

Fman99 Nov 22 2010 08:04 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: "I've loved everything about beng a Yankee, but I have my self-respect and I can't accept anything less than five years, $100 million." "Derek, our offer is on the table, it's final, and if you walk away from it, we're going give number two to the bushiest bush leaguer that stumbles out of the bush, and continually re-assign it to every scrub infielder we call up, in perpetuity. We're going to take this pile of money you're so insulted by and invest it in a real shortstop that will make fans regret every cheer they ever gave you." "Now guys, let's not get... I'm just trying to say..." "We'll release the internal documents that show how we've known all along how shit your range was, how we've carefully coordinated the spinning of your obvious limitations into graces, how Fat George's accounts had been paying off the Gold Glove voters for years." "It's just that a pay cut is..." "Have fun in Anaheim, jackass. We really hope they like that stupid jumpy-throwy thing." This post is so good, it has to be fattening.

Ashie62 Nov 22 2010 09:12 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

And per Star Ledger Mariano has been offered one year not two. GMS is starting to look like a softie.

Frayed Knot Nov 23 2010 06:17 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Now he's a guy who could clearly get a better deal elsewhere - at least a longer one. As long as there's a team who decides that ~$15/per for a closer is worthwhile said team would most likely be willing to take a shot at 2 years with him, even at age 41.

dgwphotography Nov 23 2010 08:04 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: we're going give number two to the bushiest bush leaguer that stumbles out of the bush, and continually re-assign it to every scrub infielder we call up, in perpetuity. Sounds like what the Mets did to Keith

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 23 2010 08:08 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Fman99 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: "I've loved everything about beng a Yankee, but I have my self-respect and I can't accept anything less than five years, $100 million." "Derek, our offer is on the table, it's final, and if you walk away from it, we're going give number two to the bushiest bush leaguer that stumbles out of the bush, and continually re-assign it to every scrub infielder we call up, in perpetuity. We're going to take this pile of money you're so insulted by and invest it in a real shortstop that will make fans regret every cheer they ever gave you." "Now guys, let's not get... I'm just trying to say..." "We'll release the internal documents that show how we've known all along how shit your range was, how we've carefully coordinated the spinning of your obvious limitations into graces, how Fat George's accounts had been paying off the Gold Glove voters for years." "It's just that a pay cut is..." "Have fun in Anaheim, jackass. We really hope they like that stupid jumpy-throwy thing." This post is so good, it has to be fattening. Gained 5 pounds LOLing

attgig Nov 23 2010 12:05 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

yahoo is reporting that the yanks offered 6 years 140 mil to Cliff Lee. Meanwhile, Lee's holding out for a 7th year. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... tove112210 unfortunately, i don't see texas beating that.

Ceetar Nov 23 2010 12:10 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

attgig wrote: yahoo is reporting that the yanks offered 6 years 140 mil to Cliff Lee. Meanwhile, Lee's holding out for a 7th year. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... tove112210 unfortunately, i don't see texas beating that. That seems like an appropriately iffy and dangerous contract. Let's see how high we can get this Yankee payroll.

Edgy DC Nov 23 2010 12:12 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

dgwphotography wrote: Edgy DC wrote: we're going give number two to the bushiest bush leaguer that stumbles out of the bush, and continually re-assign it to every scrub infielder we call up, in perpetuity. Sounds like what the Mets did to Keith Keith had less equity in the number and he and the Mets have a sense of perspective regarding such things that is absent in the Yankee numerology.

soupcan Nov 23 2010 12:19 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

We really hope they like that stupid jumpy-throwy thing." That's now my new online password. yahoo is reporting that the yanks offered 6 years 140 mil to Cliff Lee. Meanwhile, Lee's holding out for a 7th year. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... tove112210 unfortunately, i don't see texas beating that. That seems like an appropriately iffy and dangerous contract. Let's see how high we can get this Yankee payroll. I got 2 words for that contract: AWE SOME. I hope he gets the 7th year. He'll be 33 in the first year of that deal.

G-Fafif Nov 23 2010 01:15 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

This thread title happy-fies me in that it reminds me the Yankee Offseason began with the conclusion of the sixth game of the American League Championship Series.

Ashie62 Nov 23 2010 02:20 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Greg Doyel of CBS trashes Jeter.. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14342512/yankees-just-say-no-to-bailoutseeking-jeter

Frayed Knot Nov 23 2010 03:12 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ashie62 wrote: Greg Doyel of CBS trashes Jeter.. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14342512/yankees-just-say-no-to-bailoutseeking-jeter Which would be fine if he weren't mis-using the hell out of those 'Similarity Scores' Alomar & Trammel might have had careers up to that point which were most similar to Jeter, but both had already started fading before they ever got to his current age and so their mid-30s seasons were most definitely NOT most similar. In his age 34 thru 36 seasons (the last three) Jeter put up .301/.364/.414 stats while averaging 633 ABs/yr At the same age Alomar was down to .262/.331/.367 while getting 426 ABs/yr and while Trammel was a decent .299/.333/.349 he was playing barely half the time with 265 ABs/yr Which isn't to say that Jeter isn't more likely to fade than surge - or that his larger point that the Yanx offer isn't already more than market value isn't valid - only that Jeter, unlike the other two, is just one year removed from a real good season and that those are the wrong guys to be comparing him to at this point.

Ceetar Nov 24 2010 06:51 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Isn't Cashman's "shop elsewhere" suggestion to Jeter an empty promise without offering arbitration? Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the Yankees could lose by offering it. The same with Rivera.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2010 06:57 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ceetar wrote: Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the Yankees could lose by offering it. Well, they could end up having to pay him $20 million for 2011. If that's more than they want to spend, then they "lose."

Ceetar Nov 24 2010 07:03 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ceetar wrote: Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the Yankees could lose by offering it. Well, they could end up having to pay him $20 million for 2011. If that's more than they want to spend, then they "lose." I guess that's true, they usually base it off your existing salary right? then again, it's a one time hit, he'll probably get his 3k hits and you'd think he'd command even less money and years after another poor season.

seawolf17 Nov 24 2010 07:37 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFS62 Nov 24 2010 07:46 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

seawolf17 wrote: I'd love to see that picture happen. Michael Kay erupt in a ball of flames. And Suzyn Waldmann would wish she were a Red Sox fan again. (Yes. kiddies, she grew up in Boston) Later

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2010 07:47 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

The Daily News had Photoshopped images of Jeter in the uniforms of the Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, and Dodgers. The pictures accompanied a column by Mike Lupica that I tried to read but couldn't get past the second paragraph.

Ashie62 Nov 24 2010 07:53 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFS62 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I'd love to see that picture happen. Michael Kay erupt in a ball of flames. And Suzyn Waldmann would wish she were a Red Sox fan again. (Yes. kiddies, she grew up in Boston) Later That would be the tits.

Valadius Nov 24 2010 08:14 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I would actually love to see His Intangibleness go to the Dodgers to play for the Yankee Outcast.

seawolf17 Nov 24 2010 08:22 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Valadius wrote: I would actually love to see His Intangibleness go to the Dodgers to play for the Yankee Outcast. That would be interesting. Mattingly and Jeter in Dodger uniforms. Sports Guy in yesterday's chat: If the Red Sox offered Jeter 4 years for $75 million to play 3B, and it was like a fantasy auction in which the Yankees laughed and said, "Fine, you can have him," I would talk myself into it in 48 hours. "He just had an off-year, it happens, now he's going to change his training regimen, you can't count Jeter out, he's going to be a 9.8 on the Vengeance Scale" and so on. I'm that big of a homer. Don't bet against me.

seawolf17 Nov 24 2010 08:31 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Okay, someone needs to call Joe in for a little whack upside the head.

HahnSolo Nov 24 2010 08:36 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I listened to Francesa on my drive home last night for the teeth-gnashing, hysterical Yankee fans and they didn't disappoint. Francesa, amazingly, admitted he was wrong that there'd be no issues with this contract negotiation, was convinced that the Yanks would "take care of Derek". Now he actually could see him looking elsewhere, in fact saying that if he were Jeter he would absolutely seek out other offers. Of course, Francesa had to bring the stupid with his assertion that if he were the Mets, he'd sign Jeter "tonight". Because the Mets need to sell tickets and Jeter would do that with his quest for 3000 hits (!). So I'm thinking, wow, would Jeter go to the Mets to play second, because Mike would surely agree that is the only spot the Mets could play him. Oh, no, "put Jetah at short and move Reyes to second, or, put Jetah at third and move Wright 'somewhere'." Jesus, does he even watch baseball, or know anything about the Met fan? My wild guess if he were to wind up elsewhere: Don't think Jeter would sign with Boston or NYM (nor do I think either team would offer him) Could see him with Mattingly and LAD, but not with their ownership in flux. How about an owner and manager who would love to stick it to the Yanks and are trying to revive a flagging franchise: Derek Jeter, shortstop for your Baltimore Orioles.

seawolf17 Nov 24 2010 08:38 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

How about an owner and manager who would love to stick it to the Yanks and are trying to revive a flagging franchise: Derek Jeter, shortstop for your Baltimore Orioles. Considering they got oogatz out of their SS position last year, aren't winning anything anyway, and could promote a Ripken-Jeter "legendary shortstop" connection if they wanted to, that'd be a good fit, actually.

metirish Nov 24 2010 08:43 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

This whole "saga" is delicious , oh and I love the idea of him in Baltimore. So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 24 2010 08:46 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metirish wrote: So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch. Why? Does Jeter kickback a portion of his salary to Klapisch, et. al.?

metirish Nov 24 2010 09:15 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

batmagadanleadoff wrote: So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch. Why? Does Jeter kickback a portion of his salary to Klapisch, et. al.? I liked you more when you picked on edgy :)

batmagadanleadoff Nov 24 2010 09:25 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metirish wrote: metirish wrote: So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch. Why? Does Jeter kickback a portion of his salary to Klapisch, et. al.? I liked you more when you picked on edgy :) I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on Klapisch. And Lupica. I'm on your side, man. Didn't you read my post to you in the iPod thread?

metsguyinmichigan Nov 24 2010 09:57 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

And Verducci! Don't forget Verducci! There's no way they're going to let Jeter walk, and his media buddies are aiding and abetting his negotiating.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 24 2010 10:01 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

At least the News opted to show Jeter the black jersey. No cream-colored jersey for him!

HahnSolo Nov 24 2010 10:12 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metsguyinmichigan wrote: And Verducci! Don't forget Verducci! There's no way they're going to let Jeter walk, and his media buddies are aiding and abetting his negotiating. I think it is about 95-5 that he stays, but up until yesterday I always thought it was 100% that he wasn't going anywhere.

Fman99 Nov 24 2010 10:38 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Thank God the Mets are going to be skinflints this winter and therefore there is no chance that THE HERO ends up in Flushing. I do love the pic in the Daily News of him in the different uniforms. Ol' George must be spinning around on his rotisserie right now.

soupcan Nov 24 2010 10:46 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

HahnSolo wrote: Of course, Francesa had to bring the stupid with his assertion that if he were the Mets, he'd sign Jeter "tonight". Because the Mets need to sell tickets and Jeter would do that with his quest for 3000 hits (!). So I'm thinking, wow, would Jeter go to the Mets to play second, because Mike would surely agree that is the only spot the Mets could play him. Oh, no, "put Jetah at short and move Reyes to second, or, put Jetah at third and move Wright 'somewhere'." Jesus, does he even watch baseball, or know anything about the Met fan? I feel better knowing Alderson is in charge and making these decisions now rather than Omar.

Frayed Knot Nov 24 2010 10:53 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

The whole concept of "not letting him walk" assumes a couple of things: 1 - that he's going to get a better offer elsewhere 2 - that the team won't come off their stance and top that offer 3 - and/or that Jeter will get so pissed off at his "treatment" that's he'll take a better, or even a comparable, offer and play elsewhere My take is: - #1 isn't going to happen. As already mentioned, $15mil until age 40 is already more than generous (maybe 2x more) and it's coming from the team that has both the most money and the most reasons to want him. - If #1 does happen (assuming it's not too ridiculous) the Yanx will swallow their pride and up the contract but at least for now their whole strategy is betting that, unless and until that happens, they'd merely be bidding against themselves. They're not numb to your charms Derek, they just don't see the need to pay for them if they don't have to. - and I don't think it'll come to #3 either. He has as many reasons to want the Yanx as they do to want him so, unless his Alex-hatred is so high at this point that he refuses to step on the same field knowing they're paying that bum until he's 83 years old but suddenly got fiscally smart (or at least closer to it) when his turn came around, it'll be his turn to swallow pride like it was an ice-cream soda. The media, as always, are simply rooting for the best story and the best story involves Jeter sticking around NYC.

Edgy DC Nov 24 2010 10:53 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

But Francesa was definitely my second choice.

soupcan Nov 24 2010 11:28 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Francesa opened the show with 'The Jetah Situation' again today. The guy is such a transparent shill its embarassing.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2010 11:30 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all.

Centerfield Nov 24 2010 11:47 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

The Yankees should step up here and pay him $150 million over the next five. Anything less is insulting to the Captain. You can't put a price tag on clutch, but it's worth at least $27,874,332.87 per. Jeter on the O's would be horrible for baseball. (God forbid he should walk and the MFY's use that $15 million on a player actually worth it.) In fact, I think paying Jeter but leaving out all the other Yankee greats is pretty fucking shitty of the team. Mantle, DiMaggio and the Babe all deserve $40 million per year for everything they've done.

Ashie62 Nov 24 2010 11:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all. Thank you.

Ceetar Nov 24 2010 11:52 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all. I was marginally excited about Glavine. He'd been building up Mets stats to being tolerable. I didn't know he was saving up so he could set it all on fire at once. There was a point I thought Delgado might get to 501 home runs faster than Sheffield. The only thing that would make me 'excited' about Jeter's 3000th hit as a Met is if it came @ Yankee Stadium off Rivera during the subway series and went through the new SS's legs to do so and win the game.

HahnSolo Nov 24 2010 12:27 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all. I was marginally excited about Glavine. He'd been building up Mets stats to being tolerable. I didn't know he was saving up so he could set it all on fire at once. It also allowed us to see Mrs. Glavine giving Guillermo Mota a death stare.

G-Fafif Nov 24 2010 12:38 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Centerfield wrote: The Yankees should step up here and pay him $150 million over the next five. Anything less is insulting to the Captain. You can't put a price tag on clutch, but it's worth at least $27,874,332.87 per. Amen! Reading Richard Ben Cramer's bio of DiMaggio presently and history continues to repeat itself. The Great DiMag got screwed by MFY ownership back when being screwed wasn't 3 years at $15 mil per after raking in $189 mil over a decade -- and when testing the open market meant going back to Fisherman's Wharf and crabbing for a living. Joe wanted $40,000 a year after leading the world in everything his first two seasons and being almost universally adored for doing so. MFYs painted him as an ungrateful, unproven bastard and the press played along. After holding out through spring training and the first few days of the season, DiMaggio was forced to settle for $25,000 and was docked every day that he had to train on his own (and had to pay his own travel expenses until he could rejoin the team at full strength). And he was booed for the next three months. He remained bitter about it for the rest of his life, which was only another six decades at that point.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 24 2010 12:51 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

You just can't win with this bastard Jeter. If he played for another team, as soon as the Yankees failed to win a WS, the press hacks would attribute that to Jeter's absence.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 24 2010 12:53 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

The Glavine Wins 300 hype for me was the crystallizing moment of the Mets' complete loss of touch with its fans, and its disturbing inward focus. I mean, this was obviously all a show for Glavine, and had nothing to do with the fans, nor the team, yet was fed us like some kind of treat. --Hooray for round numbers ac heived as a Met despite the vast majority coming withour biggest rival! --Hooray for us! We committed more money and more resources than anyone else for a veteran pitcher to head up a shitty team going nowhere!

Ceetar Nov 24 2010 01:08 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Glavine Wins 300 hype for me was the crystallizing moment of the Mets' complete loss of touch with its fans, and its disturbing inward focus. I mean, this was obviously all a show for Glavine, and had nothing to do with the fans, nor the team, yet was fed us like some kind of treat. --Hooray for round numbers ac heived as a Met despite the vast majority coming withour biggest rival! --Hooray for us! We committed more money and more resources than anyone else for a veteran pitcher to head up a shitty team going nowhere! shitty team going nowhere? That game should've been a iconic moment on the World Series DVD. A flashback from him hoisting that World Series trophy after a season in which he got his 300th win, and pitched a gutsy game to get the Mets to a playin game. It was the precipitus of winning as much as a Met as he did as a Brave.

G-Fafif Nov 24 2010 01:28 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

The Mets were going nowhere when they signed Glavine, though to his credit (which I acknowledge through clenched teeth), he helped get them somewhere before utterly imploding (both he and them). The extravaganza celebrating his 300th win (the buildup as well as the gala they held for him when they got back to Shea) could have been billed as Cognitive Dissonance Day, complete with the DiamondVision blaring extended congrats from such Mets fan favorites as John Smoltz, Leo Mazzone and Bobby Cox. Glavine taking the mic and telling the fans, in so many words, "you didn't like me and I didn't like you," was, quite honestly, the moment I liked him best. As for Gary Sheffield's 500th home run, you can still go to mets.com and wear a piece of history from that momentous occasion. I rather enjoyed watching Lenny Harris achieve his all-time pinch-hit record as a Met despite many of those safeties being collected in a slew of other uniforms.

Frayed Knot Nov 24 2010 02:32 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

The Lenny Harris PH record may have touched off its own record for greatest gap between over-the-top on-field celebration vs importance of the feat. I mean, I understand that Lenny was a fun-loving & popular guy with his teammates but it was hardly a reason for an empty-the-dugout, back-pounding moment. Compared to the Sheffield 500th, the Franco 400th, the Piazza catcher HR record, and the Lenny PH record, the Glavine 300th was probably more in proportion than to actual accomplishment than the Mets have 'hosted' and promoted in a long while.

G-Fafif Nov 24 2010 02:45 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Frayed Knot wrote: Compared to the Sheffield 500th, the Franco 400th, the Piazza catcher HR record, and the Lenny PH record, the Glavine 300th was probably more in proportion than to actual accomplishment than the Mets have 'hosted' and promoted in a long while. Oh, I don't know. I thought Julio Franco reaching his 400th birthday was pretty momentous.

Ashie62 Nov 24 2010 08:23 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

I am satisfied that Francessa and MFY fans are going through their own personal hell at the moment. Happy Thanksgiving!

Edgy DC Nov 24 2010 08:27 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Anti-clamactic Met milestones... Glavine's 300th win Sheffield's 500th homer Lenny Harris' stupid pinch hit Lee Mazzilli's 1,00th hit (just made me feel bad about how good he almost was) Gary Carter's 300th homer (drained the life out of that summer) Was Willie Mays 650th homer treated as a big deal?

Ashie62 Nov 24 2010 08:30 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

I don't remember May's 650th being that big a deal. The game was stopped for a moment. Having said that, for me, the Mays milestone rings Blue and Orange for me, not so much the others.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2010 08:41 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: Garry Carter's 300th homer (drained the life out of that summer) It sure did. How long was he stuck on 299? I seem to remember it was something like five or six weeks.

Frayed Knot Nov 24 2010 08:48 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Garry Carter's 300th homer (drained the life out of that summer) It sure did. How long was he stuck on 299? I seem to remember it was something like five or six weeks. Looking it up ... WOW!! it was even worse than I remember. He only hit 11 that season (1988) but 7 were in April. #299 came on May 16 -- and #300 not until AUG 11 - and there doesn't appear to be a large injury gap where he wasn't playing in between. He hit #301 three days later, but then only one more after that for the rest of the season. The following season saw him get just 150 ABs and 2 HRs - his last as a Met He went on to hit 20 more across three seasons.

Kong76 Nov 24 2010 08:57 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Still he always seemed to be in front of a camera after the games regardless.

Frayed Knot Nov 25 2010 08:06 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

For those thinking Boston might make a big play for Jetes: Marco Scutaro: .275/.333/.388 -- 695 PAs, 49 XBHs -- Age 34; Salary for 2011 = $5 mil, commitment for 2011 only plus 2012 club/player option for $6m/$3m w/$1.5m buyout Derek Jeter: .270/.340/.370 -- 739 PAs, 43 XBHs -- Age 36; Salary for 2011 = at least $15 mil (figuring they'd have to more than meet the NYY offer) with a commitment thru 2013 at the minimum But of course there is that jump throw thing to take into account. Jeter-ites can complain all they want about how the Yanx are being hard-asses here - although if the Yanx were REALLY interested in being hard-asses they'd tell him to go shop around the league all he wants but after one week their $15x3 offer becomes $10x2 plus a club option. And then a week after that it becomes $8x2 w/no option.

MFS62 Nov 25 2010 08:19 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Frayed Knot wrote: Marco Scutaro: .275/.333/.388 -- 695 PAs, 49 XBHs -- Age 34; Salary for 2011 = $5 mil, commitment for 2011 only plus 2012 club/player option for $6m/$3m w/$1.5m buyout Derek Jeter: .270/.340/.370 -- 739 PAs, 43 XBHs -- Age 36; Salary for 2011 = at least $15 mil (figuring they'd have to more than meet the NYY offer) with a commitment thru 2013 at the minimum Dammit! Y'know, I had ths feeling when the Mets got rid of Scuttaro that one day he would become as least as good as Derek Jeter. Later

metirish Nov 25 2010 08:31 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2

batmagadanleadoff Nov 25 2010 08:43 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Following the Heyman links leads to a Joe Posnanski article and this chart, listing the highest cumulative WARs in MLB over the last 10 seasons: The legend of Carlos Beltran continues to grow..... Also , Albert Pujols average season is MVP caliber (as if no one knew this). Barry Bonds' typical season (last 10 years) is an all-time one for the ages season.

Edgy DC Nov 25 2010 09:18 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2 He is so helping matters. American matters.

Ashie62 Nov 25 2010 11:09 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Following the Heyman links leads to a Joe Posnanski article and this chart, listing the highest cumulative WARs in MLB over the last 10 seasons: The legend of Carlos Beltran continues to grow..... Also , Albert Pujols average season is MVP caliber (as if no one knew this). Barry Bonds' typical season (last 10 years) is an all-time one for the ages season. Very interesting. I'm not surprised to see Helton there. He has quietly been very very good. I see him as an HOF candidate but I believe many will think of him as a compilier.

Ashie62 Nov 25 2010 11:10 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metirish wrote: This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2 Maybe Boras wants Jeter to fire his agent.

seawolf17 Nov 26 2010 05:44 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ashie62 wrote: This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2 Maybe Boras wants Jeter to fire his agent. LOL that would be epic. Could you imagine what Boras would be asking for Jeter?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 26 2010 05:47 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Back page of the Daily News today says that Jeter wants $25 million per year over six years.

Edgy DC Nov 26 2010 06:19 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Keep over-reaching, and you'll be playing for twelve million over two years for the Hiroshima Carp.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 26 2010 06:27 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Back page of the Daily News today says that Jeter wants $25 million per year over six years. YES. Go Derek Go! However this turns out is OK with me: The MFYs pay too much ... Jeter gets dissed ... MFYs lose Jeter ... some other team gets Jeter ... fans get tortured ... Cashman gets fired ... etc etc. All good.

metirish Nov 26 2010 06:38 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Cappy should really ask for more and then settle for the 6 years at 25 mils...

Ceetar Nov 26 2010 06:44 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Which would be more damaging to the "Jeter Allure?" Him bolting for another team, or him having 3+ bad seasons that have Yankees fans calling into WFAN wondering why the Yankees aren't "forcing him into retirement?"

Benjamin Grimm Nov 26 2010 06:48 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Here's how it can turn out bad for us: Jeter leaves, Yankees sign Reyes to replace him. Jose wins three rings with the Yankees.

metirish Nov 26 2010 06:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ceetar wrote: Which would be more damaging to the "Jeter Allure?" Him bolting for another team, or him having 3+ bad seasons that have Yankees fans calling into WFAN wondering why the Yankees aren't "forcing him into retirement?" As much as I would love the outcry if he went to another team I am taking the long term view that him playing absolute crap for the MFY's is better.....stay old you yankees

Edgy DC Nov 26 2010 06:56 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Here's how it can turn out bad for us: Jeter leaves, Yankees sign Reyes to replace him. Jose wins three rings with the Yankees. The Mets have their business to take care of, no doubt, but they have another year to figure that one out. The Jenkees have the gun to their heads now.

MFS62 Nov 26 2010 07:12 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metirish wrote: As much as I would love the outcry if he went to another team I am taking the long term view that him playing absolute crap for the MFY's is better.....stay old you yankees Absolutely agree. I want to hear three (hopefully more) years of anguished Luis Castillo or Ollie Perez-type calls to WFAN moaning about "why the Yankees ever re-signed this turd". Later

Ashie62 Nov 26 2010 11:33 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Jeter's request of 150 Million for 6 years is the least he is willing to take. Joe Dimaggio didn't get a Yankee Icon deal, Reggie was let go and it looks like Jeter very well may have played his last game for the MFY's.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 26 2010 08:51 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Jeter being middling-to-pretty-good for a few years in Marlin teal or Padres pajamas would be sorta fun, but his being awful in pinstripes at a Pujolsian salary would be much more ultimately enjoyable. Although it does seem that he's-- somewhat improbably-- among the best alive at overestimating the worth of Derek Jeter.

Vic Sage Nov 26 2010 09:30 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: However this turns out is OK with me: The MFYs pay too much ... Jeter gets dissed ... MFYs lose Jeter ... some other team gets Jeter ... fans get tortured ... Cashman gets fired ... etc etc. All good. this.

Frayed Knot Nov 27 2010 06:04 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ashie62 wrote: Jeter's request of 150 Million for 6 years is the least he is willing to take. Seeing as how no team is going to even approach that number, I somehow doubt it. Besides, the NYDN has him "lowering" his demands to 5 x $22-24 range citing sources to his agent dismissing the 6x$25 reports as "inaccurate". Joe Dimaggio didn't get a Yankee Icon deal, Reggie was let go and it looks like Jeter very well may have played his last game for the MFY's. Only if you see him taking the same or less to play elsewhere.

Fman99 Nov 27 2010 10:48 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I think I'd rather see him limp into the sunset, overpaid and overfed and in pinstripes, sucking down another big slice of Yankee income and having the YLDBs debating the least embarrassing place to put his aging mitt, and arm, and bat. Seeing him in a Mariners uniform would be funny too. The real winners here are us, can we all agree on that?

smg58 Nov 27 2010 02:57 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Fman99 wrote: The real winners here are us, can we all agree on that? No argument from me.

Frayed Knot Nov 29 2010 09:40 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

ESPN saying (or repeating from elsewhere) that the Uribe defection from SF to LA has prompted the Giants to contact Jeter's agent. Not that that means some sort of offer is imminent or that they're going to top the 3/$45 Yanqui deal if they do, but it is the first team mentioned since they told Derek that he should act like Smokey and 'Shop Around'

MFS62 Nov 29 2010 09:51 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Frayed Knot wrote: Not that that means some sort of offer is imminent or that they're going to top the 3/$45 Yanqui deal if they do, but it is the first team mentioned since they told Derek that he should act like Smokey and 'Shop Around' Actually, the Yankees have listened to Jeter's agent's demand, and told Derek to act like a (an?) hermaphrodite and go fuck himself. Later

Frayed Knot Nov 30 2010 02:32 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

The rumor that the Jeter (and Mariano & Cliff Lee) negotiations have caused Yanqui GM Brian Cashman to jump off a high building is only partially true

Centerfield Dec 01 2010 07:06 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Dress as a what? Fuck no...

metirish Dec 03 2010 09:26 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

STFU Strawberry , he sounds like a complete tool Darryl Strawberry sure George Steinbrenner wouldn't approve of Yankees' treatment of Derek Jeter Derek Jeter's contract saga is as delicate a subject as it polarizing, which is why most everyone connected to Yankee Universe has avoided expressing a strong opinion - for fear of offending one side or the other. But such considerations have never stopped Darryl Strawberry from having his say, especially when he's angry. So here he was, on the phone Thursday, speaking from the heart as always. Basically Straw can't believe the hard-line stance management has taken, and he thinks it is only because George Steinbrenner is no longer around to run the Yankees. "George would roll over in his grave if he knew the way they're treating Jeter," Strawberry said. "The Boss never would have let this happen. "If the Boss was alive, there's no question they'd pay Jeter. I got to know George personally, and I know how much he cared about his players. And Jeter was like a son to him. I'm telling you, this wouldn't be happening." To be fair, Strawberry was conveniently forgetting that The Boss fought with plenty of players - publicly and privately - about money, from Thurman Munson to Reggie Jackson to Don Mattingly. He could be ruthless when he felt he wasn't getting his money's worth, embarrassing someone like Reggie by demanding that he undergo an eye exam when Mr. October wasn't hitting. So who really knows how George would have reacted to Jeter's subpar 2010, and how much he would have used it against his shortstop. Strawberry, after all, only saw George's good side. The Yankee owner took a personal interest in reviving Strawberry's career in 1995, after his drug problems, when no other major league team would go near him, and the former Met and Yankee slugger remains forever grateful. Furthermore, Strawberry admitted he is biased on this subject because he remains a friend of Jeter's. Still, he is convinced that Jeter had a special place in Steinbrenner's heart, based on the way he handled himself on and off the field, as well as what he meant to the franchise. "Jeet's one of a kind," said Strawberry. "Maybe him and Cal Ripken. What he's meant to baseball and the Yankees, and what he's accomplished in this game. He's the only guy I ever knew in baseball that I never heard say anything bad about anybody. "I know George could be tough on players, but he cared about them, and he loved Jeet. That's why he made him a captain. Come on, this is frustrating to me to see they think he's not worth the money he's asking. "He had one bad year - he's still a great player. And for all the intangibles he brings to the clubhouse, and what he means to the Yankee brand. He's going to get his 3,000th hit next season - that's history. George knew what he meant to the franchise." There's another side to the argument, as you might have heard by now. The Yankees were putting the word out Thursday that they were upping their offer a bit, but even at the original $45 million for three years they are willing to pay Jeter more than he is worth on the open market. So far there seems to be more fan sentiment for the ballclub's position than for Jeter getting the $22 million to $23 million he wants for four or five years. And while you have to believe Alex Rodriguez's contract sticks in Jeter's craw, no doubt making it all the more difficult for him to cave on his demands, the shortstop would be true to his own pristine legacy by taking the deal without complaint. It's hardly a shock that Strawberry, who walked away from the Mets over money while still in his prime, thinks his former teammate is in the right here. Yet he makes good points, the best being that the Yankees were wrong to publicly challenge Jeter to find a better offer - essentially daring him to leave. "Jeet knows it's a business, but he shouldn't have to hear that from the Yankees," Strawberry said. "He's been nothing but class. "I'm quite sure he's been hurt by some of the things they've said. He won't say anything about it, that's just his way. Me, I'd have been up in people's faces, but not Jeet. "I'm sure they'll get this done eventually and he'll still be a Yankee, but this wasn't the way to do it." Too bad we'll never know if Strawberry was right - if The Boss, were he still alive and active, would have done it differently. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z174C9Fayx

Edgy DC Dec 03 2010 09:35 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I love it. Put more heat on the team just when Jeter's ready to cave. Let's throw more stealth agents in there. Can David Cone call them cheapskates? Can Al Leiter accuse Jeter of picking New Yorkers' pockets. Can Rafael Santana make some snide crack about how he wouldn't use Jeter's golden glove to wipe his ass?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 03 2010 09:47 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Or better yet, have Torre call Jeter, casually mentioning that Cashman was laughing about this on the phone with Mr. Tea the other day... and that he hears from people who know that the Giants are interested. Oh, and Mariano's down for a reported 2 yrs/30 million, it seems.

Edgy DC Dec 03 2010 05:37 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Bob Klapisch wrote: The Yankees are reportedly willing to raise their initial three-year, $45 million offer slightly, but Jeter's camp isn't going to come close to getting what they allegedly were looking for. Thankfully, it looks like this will all be over soon. Thankfully, nothing. This is one of the most gratifying passages in the Yankee drama since Stump Merrill. Carry on.

metirish Dec 03 2010 05:43 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

I think Bob the Bollox is thankful that his Christmas might not be ruined because of this , it's been weighing heavily on him no doubt.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 04 2010 09:55 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Reports that Jeter and MFY's agree to three year contract averaging $17M per year -- much closer to the team's initial offer than to Jeter's demand. Option for fourth year at < $17M. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/40506560/ ... ayer_news/ From the New York Times: The agreement, the person said, will include a “creative hybrid-type option” for a fourth year. The person said the option is “not vesting and is highly unusual.” http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/0 ... ?src=twrhp

Frayed Knot Dec 04 2010 10:54 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Seeing as how "demands" from Jeter's agent were never official but only rumors & estimates, I'm sure the Jeter camp will now deny that they were ever asking for anything like 5 or 6 years at $20+/per and therefore this in no way represents a settlement or capitulation on their part. Bottom line is that there was simply no interest by any other team to even match what the Yanx were offering much less top it so there was little reason for them to go wild with additional years/dollars. It was probably the Tulowitski deal that prompted the team to even go up as much as they did as this now affords him the face-saving claim that he's still the highest paid SS in MLB on a per year basis. Be interesting to see what Chinese arithmetic of an option kick-in they've come up with.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 04 2010 06:11 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Some details on Jeter's new contract, according to Jon Heyman -- Jeter signs for 3 years/$51M. -- $51M includes a $3M buy-out after the third season. -- Jeter has an option to extend the contract for a fourth season. The fourth season might be worth anywhere from $8M to $17M, depending on how many points Jeter will have earned during the life of this contract, as per performance/point system structured by Jeter and the Yankees. -- technically, the first three years are for $48M ($51M - the $3M buy out) or $16M per season, just $1M more per season than the team's initial offer. -- other sources have reported that some of the money is deferred. Unanswered is whether the $48M is present value (better for Jeter) or a future value (better for the team).

G-Fafif Dec 07 2010 12:39 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFYs having self-congratulatory presser, in Tampa. Cuts down on likelihood of questions regarding "Where's the Chinese ballplayers at?"

G-Fafif Dec 07 2010 12:55 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Over quickly. Even Fran-say-so called it a "colossal waste of time".

Edgy DC Dec 07 2010 01:19 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

He. Oughta. Know.

metirish Dec 07 2010 04:42 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Heyman saying that Lee has two 7 year offers for $20 million plus , and not from the yankees or Rangers.....this is swell so far.

metirish Dec 08 2010 01:39 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Yankees met with Feliciano's agent today.

Ashie62 Dec 08 2010 02:20 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

metirish wrote: Heyman saying that Lee has two 7 year offers for $20 million plus , and not from the yankees or Rangers.....this is swell so far. Anaheim or the Nats?

Vic Sage Dec 08 2010 02:43 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

C'mon Cashman, go 8! 8 for $25m per! yeah, baby!

Ceetar Dec 08 2010 02:47 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Vic Sage wrote: C'mon Cashman, go 8! 8 for $25m per! yeah, baby! For Feliciano? That'd be _awesome_

seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 09:24 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ceetar wrote: Vic Sage wrote: C'mon Cashman, go 8! 8 for $25m per! yeah, baby! For Feliciano? That'd be _awesome_ You know Old George would have already signed Feliciano to some insane contract.

Edgy DC Dec 09 2010 09:33 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

My private (now public) hope is that Lee slips away and somebody quotes Cashman as saying something along the lines of any extra money he had to offer Lee went to Jeter.

metirish Dec 09 2010 10:02 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: My private (now public) hope is that Lee slips away and somebody quotes Cashman as saying something along the lines of any extra money he had to offer Lee went to Jeter. That would be delicious....the other option is the price keeps going up....Newsday 7 years The total package could be in excess of the seven-year, $161-million deal CC Sabathia received from the Yankees two years ago.

Ceetar Dec 09 2010 10:16 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

How's C.C.'s knee? Imagine he gets off to a slow start AND they don't get Lee?

metirish Dec 09 2010 10:17 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Ceetar wrote: How's C.C.'s knee? Imagine he gets off to a slow start AND they don't get Lee? The "comeback" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdtn0Z4o8cM

Willets Point Dec 13 2010 10:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I'm really ashamed that this happenedin the city I used to call home.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2010 12:50 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFYs sign Russell "Mama's Boy" Martin. Take that, Cliff Lee!

HahnSolo Dec 14 2010 02:52 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

I guess they don't think Jesus Montero is the shit anymore.

MFS62 Dec 14 2010 09:29 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

HahnSolo wrote: I guess they don't think Jesus Montero is the shit anymore. I'm guessing he will be used as trade bait for a pitcher. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2010 10:07 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

I think they're doing all they can to make sure Posada never catches again.

Frayed Knot Dec 15 2010 06:38 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I'm sure the plan is to have Martin and some young'un/defensive guy do the catching while Posada DHs full (or mostly full) time. They've got a bunch of decent-to-good catching candidates in their system so it'll be interesting to see what they do with Montero. He's going to have a monster bat by all accounts but no one really thinks he'll be a catcher at the ML level when all is said and done. Plus 1B in Yankee-town is blocked until like forever and he's slow enough to be an honorary Molina brother meaning there's no chance he plays the OF. So either he becomes a 22 y/o DH starting in 2012 (or whenever Whore-Hay gets hurt) or he's trade bait. Remember they already dealt him once for Lee ... or at least they thought they did. btw, they also inked Mark Prior to a minor league deal.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2010 08:55 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFS62 wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I guess they don't think Jesus Montero is the shit anymore. I'm guessing he will be used as trade bait for a pitcher. Almost definitely this. Whether it's Greinke or-- pleasepleaseplease-- the off-brand Greinke, because they don't want to take a risk on his Not Being Able to Handle the City TM Mike Francesa.

Edgy DC Dec 15 2010 09:01 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I'm hard-pressed to come up with who "off-brand Greinke" would be. Anibal Sanchez?

Ceetar Dec 15 2010 09:03 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Edgy DC wrote: I'm hard-pressed to come up with who "off-brand Greinke" would be. Anibal Sanchez? Carl Pavano? Ted Lilly? Lots of former Yankees they can try again. Like Vasquez.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 15 2010 09:11 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: ... because they don't want to take a risk on his Not Being Able to Handle the City TM Mike Francesa. This perception goes well beyond Francesa. I'm not saying it's true that he wouldn't be able to "handle" New York, but he does have a diagnosed anxiety disorder, and it seems to be a commonly held opinion that Greinke needs to stay in a smaller market.

Ceetar Dec 15 2010 09:28 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Benjamin Grimm wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: ... because they don't want to take a risk on his Not Being Able to Handle the City TM Mike Francesa. This perception goes well beyond Francesa. I'm not saying it's true that he wouldn't be able to "handle" New York, but he does have a diagnosed anxiety disorder, and it seems to be a commonly held opinion that Greinke needs to stay in a smaller market. Better the guy with the diagnosed, and theoretically treated, anxiety than the unproven though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2010 09:35 AM Re: Yankee Offseason Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 15 2010 09:40 AM

Nolasco? Still no big extension in Florida. (Not comfortably enough off-brand, though, for my taste.) And granted.... many, many others are of the Can't-Handle-The-City mindset. But Greinke's an adult who's been diagnosed with a very treatable emotional disorder, has been handling it fine for the past two years, and is made of a sterner porcelain than most think. He's no more a spookable horse/other injury risk than any other very good young starting pitcher... which is to say that he, like they, would present a pretty sizable risk.

Ceetar Dec 15 2010 09:39 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

About Cole Hamels? weakens the Phillies, and I put it at even money he's a diaster in the Bronx.

Edgy DC Dec 15 2010 09:56 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nolasco? Still no big extension in Florida. (Not comfortably enough off-brand, though, for my taste.) And granted.... many, many others are of the Can't-Handle-The-City mindset. But Greinke's an adult who's been diagnosed with a very treatable emotional disorder, has been handling it fine for the past two years, and is made of a sterner porcelain than most think. He's no more a spookable horse/other injury risk than any other very good young starting pitcher... which is to say that he, like they, would present a pretty sizable risk. That's the rub though. There's any number of reasons why he could fail or slip back toward the mean. Good pitching is ephemeral. (Say it ten times before you go to sleep and ten times when you wake up. I'm sure Sandy Alderson does.) But if he does (fail or regress to the mean while pitching in the "big city"), it will surely be blamed on the "big city" and that tag will hang on him like a dead albatross the rest of his career.

Frayed Knot Dec 15 2010 10:12 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

No doubt Yanqui fans will flood the airwaves for trades with one or several of the Giants hurlers (at highly discounted prices of course) ... 'how 'bout Kei Igawa, Brett Gardner and a coupla prospects for Cain & Lincecum?' Speaking of irrational yanqui fans, the one call I heard to FAN last night was from the stereotypical obnoxious YLDB 'Joe D from Brooklyn' who wanted an MLB investigation into why Lee wound up with the Phils when the Yanx offered the most money. Other speculation will turn towards the Pacific northwest and Felix Hernandez but I don't see any reason why they'd want or need to deal him now. Matt Garza is rumored to be available but I don't know if Tampa trades him in-division.

metsmarathon Dec 15 2010 12:17 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

oh, come on. why would they want felix hernandez? that guy doesn't know how to win.

Ceetar Dec 15 2010 01:13 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Unless they trade like Hughes and Cano for him, King Felix on the Yankee would piss me off to no end. Although it would be interesting to see if guys like michael kay, when Felix puts up much better numbers than CC again, AND wins 20 games, if they'll concede the point on win totals..

Edgy DC Dec 15 2010 02:49 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Yeah, right.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 02 2011 12:42 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFY trade for MFer Justin "Slammy" Maxwell of Nats. Now we have more reason to hate him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2011 02:16 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Also, Freddy Garcia on a minor-league deal, no? OE: Si.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 03 2011 10:47 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Pettitte hanging them up.

bmfc1 Feb 03 2011 10:53 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pettitte hanging them up. This will lead to an endless, and nauseating, debate about whether or not he's a HoFer.

Edgy DC Feb 03 2011 10:56 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

It's going to be hard to continue after he's compelled to testify in the Clemens trial.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2011 10:58 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

bmfc1 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pettitte hanging them up. This will lead to an endless, and nauseating, debate about whether or not he's a HoFer. Those career numbers, coupled with his being the Most Aggressive Balker ever, are tough to deny.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 03 2011 10:59 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

bmfc1 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pettitte hanging them up. This will lead to an endless, and nauseating, debate about whether or not he's a HoFer. I'll end the debate by saying he's not.

bmfc1 Feb 03 2011 11:03 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Damn, I just realized that we won't have any new close-ups of Pettitte's face with his glove over his mouth while he looks at the catcher.

seawolf17 Feb 03 2011 11:04 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pettitte hanging them up. This will lead to an endless, and nauseating, debate about whether or not he's a HoFer. I'll end the debate by saying he's not. That pretty much settles it for me. Let's break for lunch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2011 11:05 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

But we haven't discussed Bernie yet!

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2011 11:22 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

MLB.com: Andy Pettitte reportedly has informed the Yankees of his intention to retire and will announce that decision on Friday. Pettitte's decision was initially reported by Michael Kay [citing] an unidentified source [might I suggest that source as "pillow talk"]. The Associated Press said a news conference will be held Friday at Yankee Stadium. Neither the Yankees nor Pettitte has confirmed or commented on the reports.

G-Fafif Feb 03 2011 11:26 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

He won't be missed.

Edgy DC Feb 03 2011 11:33 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Yanks and Pettitte hard at work assembling a leak that says he walked away from a $13 million offer, so all can celebrate that he was more enbiggened than Gil Meche.

metsguyinmichigan Feb 03 2011 11:33 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Andrew Marchand drinking the Kool-Aid and not getting it. He tweets: It is a credit to Pettitte's demeanor that he is retiring and I haven't seen one thing about HgH. #Yankees Ah, no, Andrew. It's a disgraceful sign that the New York media are shameless Yankee hacks.

Valadius Feb 03 2011 11:54 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Here Lies Andy Pettitte's Career He Took It Up The Butt

Ashie62 Feb 04 2011 08:53 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

240 Wins, a .635 Winning Percentage, all but one season in double digit wins. Multiple needles in the ass.

metirish Feb 04 2011 09:07 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Andrew Marchand drinking the Kool-Aid and not getting it. He tweets: It is a credit to Pettitte's demeanor that he is retiring and I haven't seen one thing about HgH. #Yankees Ah, no, Andrew. It's a disgraceful sign that the New York media are shameless Yankee hacks. seriously , how could you retain any credibility with manure like that?, didn't he admit to using hgh?

Edgy DC Feb 04 2011 09:23 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Yes but only once. That time he got caught was the only time he used it. Except for that other time he got caught. Twice. Twice, OK?

Vic Sage Feb 04 2011 09:26 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

Andy & Boomer Wells (see sim scores) can waltz into the hall together... if they buy tix.

Edgy DC Feb 04 2011 09:49 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

I tell you, though: it's a good life to have a career that runs concurrently with Mariano Rivera's. Herb Pennock: 241 wins 247 complete games Andy Pettite: 240 wins 25 complete games

Fman99 Feb 04 2011 08:10 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Pettitte can go back to his original job, shilling for Froot Loops.

Ashie62 Feb 06 2011 12:13 PM Re: Yankee Offseason

Eric Chavez and Ronnie Bellaird report to Tampa.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 25 2011 09:57 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

MFYs trade Sergio Meat Tray to Milwaukee.

seawolf17 Mar 25 2011 10:00 AM Re: Yankee Offseason

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MFYs trade Sergio Meat Tray to Milwaukee. For Prince Fielder, Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun, Corey Hart's sunglasses, the Italian Sausage, and Gorman Thomas' mustache. I don't know how they do it.