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Welcome Terry Collins!

bmfc1 Nov 21 2010 03:03 PM

Tweets say it's Collins. Welcome Terry! Best of luck! The bar is low after Jerry so you won't have to do a lot to impress us. Based on what we've read, I don't think that you'll try to make jokes after a loss, so already you're ahead of your predecessor. I hope that you don't quit and the players don't quit on you. And that people smarter that me are right in thinking that it's not important that you haven't managed in the majors since '99.

metirish Nov 21 2010 03:08 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I'm chuffed , ignore the negativity from bmfc.....he's a real comedian that fella.

Ceetar Nov 21 2010 03:11 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

*yawn* can we sign a pitcher now? maybe 2 or 3?

bmfc1 Nov 21 2010 03:20 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

"I'm chuffed , ignore the negativity from bmfc.....he's a real comedian that fella." No worries. He was my 4th pick out of the Final Four but he hasn't lost a game yet so he's got a clean slate with me. I hope he's the best manager they've ever had. If the Smart Three like him, then I trust their judgement.

themetfairy Nov 21 2010 03:26 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

bmfc1 wrote: "I'm chuffed , ignore the negativity from bmfc.....he's a real comedian that fella." No worries. He was my 4th pick out of the Final Four but he hasn't lost a game yet so he's got a clean slate with me. I hope he's the best manager they've ever had. If the Smart Three like him, then I trust their judgement. Pass the Kool Aid and hope for the best....

Frayed Knot Nov 21 2010 03:31 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Rubin via ESPN.com NEW YORK -- Eleven years after he last served as a major league manager, Terry Collins again holds that title. The New York Mets have selected the 61-year-old Collins as the 20th manager in franchise history, according to a team source. Collins served as the organization's minor league field coordinator this past season. He previously managed the Houston Astros from 1994 to 1996 and the then-Anaheim Angels from 1997 to 1999, compiling a 444-434 record. He emerged from a field of 10 managerial candidates, including fellow finalists Wally Backman, Chip Hale and Bob Melvin. Collins most recently managed the Orix Buffaloes in Japan in 2007 and 2008, then China's entry in the World Baseball Classic last year. He had appeared in line to succeed Jim Tracy as Los Angeles Dodgers manager five years ago, but that unraveled when Paul DePodesta was pushed out as general manager during the managerial interview process. DePodesta recently joined general manager Sandy Alderson's staff with the Mets as vice president of player development and amateur scouting. "I was the minor league director and the field coordinator over there," Collins recalled last week. "I knew the young players, and they were starting to go young. So I thought I had a real good chance there. Certainly when Paul got let go, I was probably as disappointed as anybody." Collins had been one of three finalists the last time the Mets cast a wide search for a manager. Instead, Willie Randolph was hired by then-general manager Omar Minaya to lead the team into the 2005 season and beyond. Then-Texas Rangers hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo was the other finalist. DePodesta recently heaped praise on Collins, calling him an "absolute star in player development," and suggesting Collins' experience in Houston and Anaheim would be an asset in his third stint as a major league manager. "I think any of us who have been in these jobs in various organizations learn a lot every step of the way," DePodesta said. "I've been through four organizations now. I'm hopeful some of the things I've been exposed to over that time will be helpful to the Mets, and I think the same could be said for Terry. He's been a major league manager a couple of different times. You learn an awful lot from that. He's been in the Far East. I think, again, he's had a lot of success in player development. So I think there are a lot of things about his experiences that are worthwhile. Everyone likes different personalities. I really like Terry's intensity. I think he's a tremendous organizational guy." and so on

Ashie62 Nov 21 2010 03:37 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

themetfairy wrote: bmfc1 wrote: "I'm chuffed , ignore the negativity from bmfc.....he's a real comedian that fella." No worries. He was my 4th pick out of the Final Four but he hasn't lost a game yet so he's got a clean slate with me. I hope he's the best manager they've ever had. If the Smart Three like him, then I trust their judgement. Pass the Kool Aid and hope for the best.... I will have some also.

dgwphotography Nov 21 2010 04:02 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

bmfc1 wrote: "I'm chuffed , ignore the negativity from bmfc.....he's a real comedian that fella." No worries. He was my 4th pick out of the Final Four but he hasn't lost a game yet so he's got a clean slate with me. I hope he's the best manager they've ever had. If the Smart Three like him, then I trust their judgement. ugh. He was my fifth pick from the Final Four, but what bmfc said regarding trusting the judgment of this front office.

metirish Nov 21 2010 04:13 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Heyman saying Hale will be on the Collins staff, and this interesting, Heyman says that Dave Wallace is Collins best friend and wonders if will be back as pitching coach.

Edgy DC Nov 21 2010 04:23 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I think we'll all find this one a lot more palatable if we get past the "he lost his team(s)" tag and think that he, you know, did pretty well by them before he lost them.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 21 2010 04:26 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Edgy DC Nov 21 2010 04:27 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Jeez, he's already got a brick up his ass. Nice.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 21 2010 04:41 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

We've assembled an All-Star front office, so I have to give the benefit of doubt. Welcome, Terry, now get this mess straightened out!

Frayed Knot Nov 21 2010 04:57 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I'm optimistic ... at least in the short term. His track record suggests wearing out his welcome by year 3 or so but I'm not going to pre-worry about 2013 now.

HahnSolo Nov 21 2010 05:03 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Welcome, Terry, and good luck. Not an easy situation to come in to. Now let's get your staff together and play some ball.

metirish Nov 21 2010 05:04 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Oberkfell being talked up as bench coach. agree with FK

Fman99 Nov 21 2010 05:25 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I like it. He's not retarded, so that's a bonus.

MFS62 Nov 21 2010 05:50 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I'm whelmed. I wish him luck. Later

Ceetar Nov 21 2010 06:02 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Okay, so apparently they live in Jersey. what's his daughter do? lets get with the stalking people.

Frayed Knot Nov 21 2010 06:20 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Reportedly a [u:3d7krm5v]Two-Year Deal[/u:3d7krm5v] - which means I can really put off worrying about that third year players' revolt.

Rockin' Doc Nov 21 2010 06:27 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I'm just glad that a decision has been made so that the management team can now concentrate on acquiring the players needed to fill some holes in the team personnel.

Kong76 Nov 21 2010 07:08 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

. [bigpurple:3vnure8p]**yawn**[/bigpurple:3vnure8p] It was going to be him from the start, why did it take so long? I hat the Mets right now, but it's late November.

G-Fafif Nov 21 2010 11:35 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

For Melvin I was ready to drink the Kool-Aid. For this guy, it's Coll-Aid. And boy is it well-prepared!

The Second Spitter Nov 22 2010 04:32 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

From a list of uninspiring candidates, he was the most inspiring. (But I'm uber-excited at Dave Wallace's candidacy as pitching coach.....are Warthen and HoJo officially boned?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 22 2010 05:40 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

seawolf17 Nov 22 2010 06:08 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Okay, fellas. Now let's win some effin' games.

metirish Nov 22 2010 06:19 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 22 2010 06:36 AM

Heyman says Wharten to stay as pitching coach and also mentions that someone called Debus is in the mix for a roll on the staff.\ Debus is Jon Debus http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Jon_Debus

metirish Nov 22 2010 06:35 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Heyman Collins prefers catching guy as bullpen coach so Niemann goes back to minors....

Ceetar Nov 22 2010 06:41 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

metirish wrote: Heyman says Wharten to stay as pitching coach and also mentions that someone called Debus is in the mix for a roll on the staff.\ Debus is Jon Debus http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Jon_Debus Please please please let the Warthen thing be one of Heyman's false rumors.

metirish Nov 22 2010 07:05 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

A not surprisingly negative reaction in the local media about Collins, still I wonder if some of these writers are not a little worried about there own place in the order of things, they might bethinking no more laughs like we had with Jerry and Omar, change is coming.

Edgy DC Nov 22 2010 07:10 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I think it's more like no hardy backslapping, tales about the ol' days, and stories that write themselves from Backman.

HahnSolo Nov 22 2010 08:20 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Is the two-year deal thing confirmed? If so, why only two years?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 22 2010 08:25 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I expect Terry's reign to be relatively brief. He's 61 years old, and he hasn't shown staying power in his other jobs. This is one of the reasons I was hoping for Chip Hale. Chip, at least, if things go well, can stick around for 10 or 15 years. That seems a lot less likely with Terry. One thing I read today said that Chip was a close second. That may or may not be true, but perhaps the plan is for Terry to groom Chip to take over in 2013?

seawolf17 Nov 22 2010 08:27 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I expect Terry's reign to be relatively brief. He's 61 years old, and he hasn't shown staying power in his other jobs. This is one of the reasons I was hoping for Chip Hale. Chip, at least, if things go well, can stick around for 10 or 15 years. That seems a lot less likely with Terry. One thing I read today said that Chip was a close second. That may or may not be true, but perhaps the plan is for Terry to groom Chip to take over in 2013? Or Wally, even. I was thinking the same thing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 22 2010 08:34 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Madden today was trying to say that Wally was so balls-out to win, he'd have been a bad fit for thegradual ascent to greatness that Sandy has in mind. Of course Madden was quick to refer to Collins as "Twice-Fired" and "Tightly Wound" within the first few grafs. I think TF/TW/TC has the makings of a a good nickname.

metsmarathon Nov 22 2010 08:40 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

twice tightly terry

RealityChuck Nov 22 2010 08:58 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This is one of the reasons I was hoping for Chip Hale. Chip, at least, if things go well, can stick around for 10 or 15 years. How many managers stick around for 10 years? Bobby Cox did, but he's the only Braves manager who ever did. The Dodgers had three (out of thirty), and they're renowned for their long managerial tenures. The Yankees also had three (out of 34), but they were extremely successful on the field. The Reds, Indians and White Sox never had any. Thinking about whether a manager will be around ten years from now is a waste of time in a hiring decision: he won't, and that's that.

Edgy DC Nov 22 2010 09:00 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

You know, Terry Collins was fired by the Anaheim Angels. Wally Backman was fired by the Joliet Jackhammers. People lose jobs (except for shit-stirring sportswriters, apparently). That's how they become available. Does it make a difference that his boss with the Angels was miserable when he fired him and publickly expressed that he would have fired the team if he could have? I'm feeling a little tightly wound myself.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 22 2010 09:13 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Madden today was trying to say that Wally was so balls-out to win, he'd have been a bad fit for thegradual ascent to greatness that Sandy has in mind. Of course Madden was quick to refer to Collins as "Twice-Fired" and "Tightly Wound" within the first few grafs. I think TF/TW/TC has the makings of a a good nickname. Any jewelers here? Can we get make a nice Memphis-Mafia-style keychain outta this?

smg58 Nov 22 2010 09:35 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I'm fine with him until the Mets' performance on the field gives me a reason not to be.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 22 2010 11:31 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I hope I'm wrong about this.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 22 2010 11:37 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I don't see any reason to worry. 2011 is likely to be fairly sucky anyway. If Terry screws up as badly as some fear, there will be someone else in place in 2012.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 22 2010 11:43 AM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

The press conference will be at 11 a.m. tomorrow. Looks like the Mets are confirming that Warthen and Hale will retain their coaching positions from last year.

metirish Nov 22 2010 05:32 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

ESPN reporting that Bowa is a "strong possibility" for bench coach.

G-Fafif Nov 22 2010 05:35 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

metirish wrote: ESPN reporting that Bowa is a "strong possibility" for bench coach. Thus explaining, perhaps, the "Terry'd be a great manager!" quotes from...Larry Bowa! Also, Collins can play bad or insane cop to Collins's less bad or insane cop. Alderson's brilliant.

metirish Nov 22 2010 05:44 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

I'm pretty sure that Bowa is Riccaridi's idea......you are right , Alderson is brilliant...

metsmarathon Nov 22 2010 06:55 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

i just wish we woulda got ourselves a manager who's already won a world series. cos we all know that once you win one world series, you keep winning them wherever you manage. right? right?

Ceetar Nov 22 2010 07:14 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

metsmarathon wrote: i just wish we woulda got ourselves a manager who's already won a world series. cos we all know that once you win one world series, you keep winning them wherever you manage. right? right? We did..as long as you measure time backwards anyway.

metirish Nov 23 2010 07:48 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Good article here from Tyler Kepner who covered the Angels when Collins was there http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=702469&f=119

Edgy DC Nov 29 2010 02:39 PM Re: Welcome Terry Collins!

Heyman: D-.