Nov 24 2010 07:27 PM
Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him?
Trade him and Wright while they have value ... lord knows if
Reyes is really 27 too. They've been a disappointment since
this picture surfaced anyways:
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Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him?
| A Boy Named Seo Nov 24 2010 06:09 PM |
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This Hank Schulman guy (Ed Price v2.0?) writes for the SF Chronicle, and the internet just told me that Hank tweeted the following two tweets today:
Whatchoo think, Mets fans of the Crane Pool Forum??
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| Ceetar Nov 24 2010 06:24 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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The Mets would have to be, without a doubt, clearly better _right now_ for me to consider it. And even then, probably not.
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| metirish Nov 24 2010 06:47 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I'd listen to offers and honestly for the right 3 or 4 prospects I would do it. Funny, I was talking to a guy in St Louis yesterday and he was saying that talk in St. Louis was trading for Reyes, he claimed they had the prospects.
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| Ceetar Nov 24 2010 06:51 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I'll take one prospect....and Pujols.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 24 2010 06:59 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Boatload of prospects? I'm listening.
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| A Boy Named Seo Nov 24 2010 07:00 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Side-topic:
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| Kong76 Nov 24 2010 07:27 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Trade him and Wright while they have value ... lord knows if
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| seawolf17 Nov 24 2010 07:29 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Reyes for... Lincecum, Cain, and Buster Posey.
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| Ceetar Nov 24 2010 07:32 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Joe Mauer? Posey's intriguing though. At least you're getting a stud at a sparse position.
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| Fman99 Nov 24 2010 07:58 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Another link... this one, translated badly into English, floats the idea of Reyes/Beltran to Arizona for Justin Upton and Stephen Drew.
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| Kong76 Nov 24 2010 08:08 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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It's all November internet bullshit.
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| Edgy DC Nov 24 2010 08:09 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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The whole world's been a disappointment since that photo. THE WHOLE FRICKIN' WORLD! (I like how you describe the photo as having 'surfaced,' like they'd been hiding it in their dressers... which they should have been.)
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| Ashie62 Nov 24 2010 08:18 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I would like Alderson to listen to all offers. No one, no one is untouchable.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 24 2010 09:18 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Quality thread title by the way.
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| Ashie62 Nov 24 2010 09:27 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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well... it is a Mets forum. I'm warming up the car to drive Reyes to the airport.
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| Frayed Knot Nov 25 2010 05:39 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Just make sure it's well stocked for the ride home.
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| Edgy DC Nov 25 2010 07:35 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Reyes gets a lot of such mileage.
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| Valadius Nov 25 2010 09:04 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I see no utility in trading a homegrown superstar during his peak years in NEW YORK. We're not exactly the Florida Marlins here. Unless you sign Carl Crawford I see no reason to part with him.
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| metsmarathon Nov 25 2010 09:14 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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as good an athlete as he is, i just don't know if crawford can play a good shortstop.
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| Edgy DC Nov 25 2010 09:49 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I don't want any part of trading him, but if trading is part of your game, then New York shouldn't enter into if. If the package the team gets back is more valuable, it's more valuable.
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| metirish Nov 25 2010 09:52 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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You've got to think that come trading deadline he will be a very attractive player , providing of course he is having a good season.(and that the Mets are not in contention, or they are and feel they can get back pieces to help them NOW, it's getting complicated)
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2010 10:18 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Just as a general, nonscientific observation, I'd like to say that fast young middle infielders don't seem to age all that well, relatively. I think all that diving around beats up their arms and wrists and their legs get heavier, and their range decreases, etc etc.
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| Edgy DC Nov 25 2010 10:29 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Ten years ago, you could see them pay that back those lost skills by becoming extra-base hitters as they age. But those days may have gone away with mandatory testing.
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| A Boy Named Seo Nov 25 2010 10:39 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Yeah, and I bet that goes the same for guys w/out all the niggling leg injuries like Reyes has had over the years. If he absolutely kills it this year, they'll have a fun problem on their hands. How much/how long do you go on a leggy shortstop who'll turn 30 in the first year of his big, fancy, new, $hiny contract in 2k12?? Dunno, but no trading his sorry ass. I think he's gonna /////CRUSH///// this year.
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| A Boy Named Seo Nov 25 2010 10:47 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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For sure, and he's already displayed his XBH game to us all, so we won't have to guess whether he'll 'grow into that' later or not. If he's healthy & gets a full year of PA's this year, but the pop isn't so poppy, then you might suspect 'fishy' and boot his sorry ass. 1 year & he's got everything to prove. Mets are in a good spot w/ him. For now.
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| Ashie62 Nov 25 2010 11:15 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Trading is part of every game on some level. Edgy, if you want to go another year with Reyes God bless ya. It would be ironic if Tejada is the opening day SS. Who nows, maybe Marco Scutaro.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2010 11:56 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I don't know that it would be ironic. It would, certainly, be a major step backwards.
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| Ashie62 Nov 25 2010 02:07 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Depends on what they get in return for Reyes. Tejada wouldn't be at SS by accident.
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| Edgy DC Nov 25 2010 05:51 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Still wouldn't be ironic.
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| Ashie62 Nov 25 2010 05:54 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Even on Thanksgiving? Here, have some Orange & Blue Cocktails.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 25 2010 07:25 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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But it isn't ironic.
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| Ashie62 Nov 25 2010 08:57 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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If the snakes would do this I will drives Reyes & Beltran to AZ and bring back Upton & Drew.
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 25 2010 11:40 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I think all this anti-Reyes nonsense is really just Ashie's way of saying he really, really, really wants to go on a roadtrip with the guy. Who's manning the radio? Who'll break down and ask for a pit stop first? Who'll win license plate bingo?
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| seawolf17 Nov 26 2010 05:45 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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First person who trades Reyes gets a serious smack upside the head. I'm talking to you, Sandy Alderson.
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| Centerfield Nov 26 2010 08:50 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Yeah, I'm trying to be detached and logical about this, but I find myself more and more in seawolf's camp. After he's done, I'll smack him on the other side.
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| bmfc1 Nov 26 2010 09:05 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Even if you want to trade him to improve your minor league depth and plan for '12, you're not going to get full value for Jose coming off another season with injuries. Same with Beltran. Keep them, hope they stay healthy, and if they are and you're not in contention and you don't want to resign them, then move them before the trade deadline.
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| Vic Sage Nov 26 2010 09:37 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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yeah, i'm sick of all this "buy-high-sell-low" thinking.
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| seawolf17 Nov 26 2010 09:51 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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NO NO NO NO NO NO. If Reyes is healthy and good, then he IS your plan for 2012. Resign him NOW.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 26 2010 09:56 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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One thing to consider is that speed is the first tool to go. When I say "speed", I'm not talking about bat speed, or reflex speed in getting to a grounder -- I'm talking foot speed ... running speed. As it is, Reyes is already a half a step to a full step slower than he was under Willie Small Balls. Could another leg injury strip him of more foot speed? Will he slow down regardless of any new injuries? What's Reyes' value should he lose his blazing foot speed?
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| bmfc1 Nov 26 2010 10:30 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I agree w/you seawolf17: I don't want him gone, either. My point was that if you are going to do so, something I don't want to see happen, then you certainly don't do it now when he is not at full value.
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| Ashie62 Nov 26 2010 12:32 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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it's been a long year.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 08:11 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Reyes is announcing that he won't talk extension during the season. He wants to focus on winning (and isn't that always the reason?).
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 08:14 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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As is normal, the quote is being twisted to fit the story. I believe Reyes didn't say he "won't" but that "he doesn't want to". That he wants to focus on baseball and not deal with distractions and non-baseball dicussions. Makes sense, but it sounded like if Sandy wanted to sit down and discuss it in May, he wouldn't turn him away. But I still dont' see any reason this can't and won't happen in February.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 08:19 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I can think of 29 reasons he'd prefer to wait on this.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 08:20 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I certainly don't mean to twist anything, but I really don't think there's a particuarly meaningful distinction between "I won't" and "I don't want to." It's a (very typical) negotiating ploy either way.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2011 08:22 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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He did, but the difference this time is that free agency is beckoning. Sandy has said (or at least strongly suggested) that he doesn't want to sign Jose until he sees what he can do on the field. That would seem to rule out February, but perhaps not March. But it's not clear how much Sandy needs to see. Would two strong weeks in spring training really be enough? Or does he want to see two or three solid months? If it's the latter, then obviously it would have to be an in-season deal. I wonder how distracted players are by this kind of stuff? They're generally not at the negotiating table. The real distraction would be from the press, I'd think. If the negotiations happen quietly, and get resolved quickly, the fact of the signing should make things less distracting, since things would no longer be up in the air. I do think it's possible that they'll sign him in-season. There are really five possibilities: Sign him in the spring, sign him during the season, sign him after the season, trade him, or let him sign elsewhere. I don't have any clear sense which of those options are more likely than any of the others.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 08:27 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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This is stupid. Sign an extension now when his value is not great. Sure, in the worst case scenario, you may dodge a bullet if he tanks this year, but barring an unmitigated disaster, there is little to gain. The scenarios as I see them are:
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 08:28 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I'm with Sandy (and Jose Jose) on this one, and it behooves both to wait on this.
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 08:29 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I just don't take throw away questions in interviews in events focused on something else (kids) to be ultimatums about "You better not talk to me during the season!" It's the most mundane of responses. I want to focus on baseball. I'm going to work hard. I just need to make my pitches. We have the players to win. I like our team's chances. I'm in the best shape of my life. As far as I can see, Sandy only made the one comment "Let's see how he plays" to Boomer and Carton one morning. But what does that really mean? All season? That he shows up healthy? That he hasn't actually thought about it much yet because he was focused on 2011? (despite what some people would like to think) No one's ruled out mid-season negotiations. And even if Reyes says he won't negotiate, would that even stop the media from asking him at every juncture? "Hey Jose, you went 15/20 this week with 2 HR, 5 SB and a game winning Balk! How do you think this affects your contract situation?" It may just be my opinion, but I think Sandy takes one look at Jose tearing around the bases and affecting the game in the Spring and thinks to himself "Do I raelly want to invision a team without this guy? W hat am I waiting for?"
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| metirish Jan 20 2011 08:33 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Reyes is a player I would hate to see playing elsewhere , still , I agree with Alderson here and Reyes actually.....it's his shot at FA and it's Alderson's chance to get a good look at him. I have little doubt if Alderson thinks he can get something done in season then he will.
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 08:36 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Aldy's buzzword has been flexibility. You get an incredible discount by doing Reyes' contract now. That creates more flexibility going forward. Even if he puts up a 2010 standard year, the demand will be greater with other teams involved. and even if the idea is to see him play healthy, all you're doing is having the same injury risk in 2012 at a greater value because it'll be more money.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 08:38 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Can I ask a simple question here? Why does Alderson need to see how he plays this season to get a good look at him? Does he not have access to game tapes? Is SNY blocked in his neighborhood for some reason? I mean, if he needs me to compile his stats and put together a little video montage, I'm happy to do so.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 08:40 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Yeah, OK. And what makes you guys think Reyes will agree to a cheap deal?
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 08:41 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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They aren't, I think. "I don't want to be distracted" is code for "I want to put my team's feet to the fire NOW!!!!"
I'm sure his agent would tell him to that they are so taking advantage of him, and advise him to ignore any lowballs, play out the season, and protect his thyroid.
I certainly didn't include "better not," nor an exclamation point. Let's not get twisty. You've clarified that he said he "doesn't want to." Understood.
I didn't say otheriwise, but it's a statement that speaks to his negotiating stance so I thought It a propos to revisit this thread about José Reyes' contract status.
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| metirish Jan 20 2011 08:42 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Well I am sure he knows all the stats and can view all the tape, I don't think it's at all unreasonable that he has stated he wants to see him for himself.....
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 08:43 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Because his condition and his ability are perhaps best viewed through the most current snapshots.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 08:44 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Don't forget to include the highlight reels of Wilson Delgado and Alex Cora, and be sure to highlight that OBP from last year too.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 08:47 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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And who is "Aldy"? "Sandy" isn't a twee enough endearment?
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 08:52 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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It depends on if Reyes is actually serious about wanting to stay here. If he's like Cliff Lee or A-Rod and drooling over big paydays, then sure he's gonna hit free agency and let everyone else tell him what he's worth. But right now those teams aren't allowed to tell him they'll give him 22 million a year. a modest raise would still be a lot of money, but probably significantly less than he'd make on the free agent market. On the other hand, there is the whole "Guys play better in walk years" thing. In which case, I expect to go to the playoffs because walk year numbers from Beltran and Reyes would pretty much beat the rest of the league into submission.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 08:57 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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That's fine. Those things should absolutely be part of the equation, which is why it makes sense to talk to him now. Take that into account, make him an offer that reflects his performance these past few years, the years before those, and what you reasonably expect from him in the future. If Jose rejects it, then it's on him. But at least you try. Taking the stance that you want to wait until next year, in my opinion, is not worth the gamble. Like I said before, it seems far more likely that you will end up paying more. The notion that Sandy needs to watch him play in person (and I don't think he actually said this, but it's been used as a justification by others for the wait and see approach) makes no sense. That logic is almost Omarian.
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| Gwreck Jan 20 2011 09:03 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I would expect that anyone referring to "wait and see" or "see how he plays" refers to "seeing" (in the general sense) how Jose does in 2011: can he stay healthy; how does he perform; etc. I'm fine with signing him to a contract extension but I think there's an awful lot of presumption that Jose would want to do so.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 09:04 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I'm sure he's serious. I'm sure he's also serious about getting paid top dollar or thereabouts for his services.
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 09:12 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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'thereabouts' is where I'm at here. Until the other teams can call him up and say "We'd pay you XXX for XXX" that is all theoretical. the Phillies can't call him up and show him how much he destroys the ball in their tiny park. His agent can tell him "I think you'll get paid like Crawford." but that doesn't mean he will, or that he compares himself to Crawford. He could squash it alltogether and just say he's got a contract, he'll play out the contract, and then he'll get a new contract. If he's serious about top-dollar, free agency is the way to go, even if he wants to resign. Have a killer year and milk it. It's all on him really. But I think his desire to stay is more than his desire for every last cent. At least right now.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 09:23 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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His agent has a clue. And so does he.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 09:43 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 20 2011 10:48 AM |
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The reason he'd want to sign now? He's played a combined 169 games the last two seasons. 2/22-27M or 3/30-33M gives him some security AND some flexibility should something happen (whether it be leg-based, immune-system-based, or holy-shit-I-need-a-dual-kidney-transplant-based) or should his health/level of play increase his value over the next year or two; it does the same for the team. It's also more than he'd make on the open market right now, given his last two seasons.
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| TheOldMole Jan 20 2011 10:40 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Sign him. Keep him.
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| smg58 Jan 20 2011 12:42 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Reyes can regain his full value, or he can lose more of it in another injury-plagued season. The Mets will be in a financially advantageous position next offseason, which means they'll be able to outbid other suitors if they decide that they want to, or move on if they decide that they want to. Reyes and his agent know that a full healthy season will boost his value significantly, and the Mets know that committing right now to 3+ years at an annual salary close to or greater than the $15M Reyes has been worth total over the past two years is foolhardy. So this will take a while.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2011 12:54 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I have this nagging feeling that the Phillies will sweep in and sign Reyes, and the Mets, facing a void at the position will sign Rollins.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 01:14 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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And that is largely my point. Even if he has just an ok 2011, his value will rise simply by the threat the Philadelphia (or any other team) will come in and swoop him away. And if he walks, there is such a paucity of viable options. I don't want Rollins, and Jeter, unfortunately, will be unavailable.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 01:16 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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What's our current thinking?
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2011 01:29 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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By "our" do you mean us, here in the forum, or Sandy and his boys?
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 01:31 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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The current thinking appears to be that Sandy wants to wait and see how he does this season before having any discussions. Certainly he's not talking to him now.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 01:32 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Are you talking to me or Edgy? I don't think the forum has a consensus. Some want him locked up now, I see some want to wait.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 01:35 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I was just trying to clarify the last phrase of your previous post, wich you did, but Alderson's stated clearly that he's waiting until spring to get an offer on the table, not until fall.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 01:38 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I think it behooves both parties to reach an agreement including a decent raise for the guy now. It makes sense for the Fightin' Aldersons, as he's unlikely to find an upgrade at/around Reyes' asking price. Plus, Reyes has a budding family and signficant time missed in half of his seasons in the majors so far. Risk aversion (in terms of being comfortable with one's workplace and the sure money) should be a little closer to the front of his brain.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 01:40 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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My feeling is that if you're really going to offer Reyes a deal that's fair -- given his recent injury troubles and the fact that his game may be in decline -- you're only going to insult him. I think he could still have an excellent year or three, don't get me wrong, but I'd feel better about that possibility if he shows he can continue to rebound while you still have him at a good price.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 01:47 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Gentlemen, let's see some numbers. You sit down with Jose Reyes right now knowing every thing you know about him. What's your offer?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 01:55 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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To start?
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 01:57 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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10 per year, 3 years.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 01:58 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Oh did he? I didn't know that. Good for Sandy then. Lock him up in Florida.
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| metirish Jan 20 2011 01:59 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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five years $90 million
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 02:02 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I wish that could get it done. But I think that's the offer that gets us an unhappy shorstop. I imagine he's going to be asking for something more like six and $108 million. I'd be surprised if we could get him for six and 90.
Really? See you in the fall!
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 02:03 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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He's on Twitter right now, someone could ask him what he wants.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 02:08 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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As an opening offer! I'd go to 3/33-36M or 4/44. (He's not getting 15-plus or 5+ years, methinks, from ANYONE.)
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| metirish Jan 20 2011 02:10 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Dude , you start high and go lower , not low and then high.....fucks sake like.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 02:10 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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 "We have a sacred duty to uphold the Yankee Brand."
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 02:13 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Oh, you bastard.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 02:17 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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It's about respect. By the time you get that second offer on the table, Reyes' reps have walked out on you and he's ripped you to pieces in the press.
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| Vic Sage Jan 20 2011 02:23 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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did reyes suffer another injury i'm unaware of? Did he finish the season relatively healthy (for him), or stumble to the finish? I really don't remember, because i've blacked last season completely out of my memory.
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 02:33 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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heh, on Twitter:
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 02:37 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Seriously? The guy has posted an OPS over .800 only twice, is coming off a down year, and was injured for the majority of the prior year. Do you really think he's going to be asking for 6 years, 18 per? I guess if he does that, then you have to walk. But I'd at least start the conversation.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2011 02:38 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Really? I don't think I caught where he said that. If that's true, though, I'm pleased. My guess at a contract would be $72 million over five years.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 02:40 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Greenberg doesn't seem to go that route that quickly. Besides... COUNTERPOINT: Past two seasons. 169 games played. Three different ailments (including one apparently recurrent one). Lowest on-base percentage since his first year.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 02:42 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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I don't know if the debate is now vs. spring training so much as before the season vs. after. One thing not being acknowledged is that he's already signed for this year.
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| Ceetar Jan 20 2011 02:44 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Oblique was so minor, that at worst it was a 15 day DL stint. that's barely worse than getting the flu. He's healthy, I don't knwo that we worry about the Thyroid that much, especially as it hasn't recurred and he had weekly blood tests all year. given the no spring training and the mismanagement with the oblique in the middle and his timing because of it, I think 2010 represents his "roll out of bed" numbers, and frankly, was still one of the top 5 SS in the game.
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| seawolf17 Jan 20 2011 02:46 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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This is closer to what I'm thinking, yes.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 02:49 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Sure, but if it starts with an offer that alienates him, you get a season-long drama. Delicate shit, this.
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| Centerfield Jan 20 2011 03:44 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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No doubt about that. But if a fear of offending the other side prevents you from beginning negotiations, then not a lot of business would get done.
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| smg58 Jan 20 2011 05:23 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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The Mets will have far more money to spend than Philadelphia, so unless Rollins ends the season the more valuable commodity of the two, the likelihood of them switching teams is close to zero and at any rate would be initiated by the Mets. It's possible that somebody will offer more money for Reyes than Alderson thinks he is worth, but Philadelphia does not seem likely to be one of them.
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| Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 05:55 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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To me it's a question of that old chestnut, whoever names a figure first in a negotiation loses. So they're both playing an age-old game that has a value in numbers. Waiting until spring training plays into the Mets hands. A player is a lovely abstraction until he gets on the field, and then he is what he is. He's not so different from a car that loses value the moment you drrive it off the lot. Reyes' people come back to the Mets by putting their feet to the fire. You want to wait until late February --- force our man to hit the field without long-term security? Then you better be ready to come at us hard, because we're shutting the door April first, and those other competing bidders stop becoming a lovely abstraction for us but a hard reality for you. These are exactly the steps played out in many negotiations. I imagine Pujols and the Cardinals are coming to the same head. Googling...
It's a shame that players are unallowed to own shares in baseball. If the Cards were an investment firm, architecture firm, or law firm, a player who had assumed so much value as Pujols, and become identifiable with the company's success would be rewarded with a partnership stake.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jan 20 2011 06:14 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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This is a well known dance danced by dance partners who've danced the dance and studied the dance ad nauseum. Both sides know every step of the dance and every variation. No one is shaking in their boots when the player's side declares that negotiations will end on such and such a date.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 20 2011 07:00 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him? |
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Yup!
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| Centerfield Jun 12 2011 09:48 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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Bump.
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| Ceetar Jun 12 2011 09:54 AM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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I'm enjoying watching Jose Reyes change the narrative. It's rare that a player can do that.
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| Ashie62 Jun 12 2011 03:02 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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Rest assured the Mets will find a way to fuck this up.
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| metirish Jun 12 2011 03:15 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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I just read over it , it's a great thread btw.....
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| Ceetar Jun 12 2011 03:19 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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I'm sure we'll be debating for years if it should be 37 14 41 42 5 7 37 14 41 42 7 5 37 14 41 5 7 42 37 14 41 7 5 42 (of course, there will be a 31 in there somewhere too)
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| MFS62 Jun 12 2011 03:26 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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I have this feeling that they won't be the fuckers, they will be the fuckees. Two days after the Mets sign Jose to a long term contract, MLB will put his thyroid medication on the banned substance list. EDIT: BTW, I'm really pissed. My cable provider has had outages of SNY for over 24 hours. Later
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| metirish Jun 13 2011 01:21 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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AdamRubinESPN Jose Reyes passes Jimmy Rollins, trails Tulo in ASG balloting. Details: http://es.pn/j... #mets #phillies
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 13 2011 02:20 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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I got an email from mets.com asking me to vote for Reyes for the 2011 All-Star team.
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| Ashie62 Jun 13 2011 03:03 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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Suduko?
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| seawolf17 Jun 13 2011 07:24 PM Re: Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade |
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Not for nothing, but if the Mets need that $50,000, I'd rather Jose stay home for three days.
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