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Bobby's Boyz II Men (Name Them!)

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 10:25 AM

Another managerial hiring season has come and gone without our Valentine getting any love. Could Bobby V still manage big leaguers in 2011? We don't know for sure, but we do know that 14 players who were active in Major League Baseball in 2010 were once managed by Bobby Valentine.

Try to name them.

metirish
Nov 28 2010 10:29 AM
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Melvin Mora

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 10:34 AM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 28 2010 10:38 AM
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Jay Payton

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 28 2010 10:39 AM
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Pedro Feliciano

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 28 2010 10:41 AM
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Ty Wigginton
Gary Matthews, Jr.

metirish
Nov 28 2010 10:44 AM
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David Weathers
Darren Oliver

metirish
Nov 28 2010 10:45 AM
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Marco Scutaro

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 28 2010 10:45 AM
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Mike Hampton
Octavio Dotel
Jason Isringhausen

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 10:47 AM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver
David Weathers
Jason Isringhausen

metirish
Nov 28 2010 10:58 AM
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Weathers never played for V????

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 11:11 AM
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metirish wrote:
Weathers never played for V????


He did, but he wasn't active in MLB in 2010. Nor was Izzy.

Oliver never played for Bobby.

metirish
Nov 28 2010 11:20 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
metirish wrote:
Weathers never played for V????


He did, but he wasn't active in MLB in 2010. Nor was Izzy.

Oliver never played for Bobby.



D'oh......

Edgy DC
Nov 28 2010 11:32 AM
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Are we counting guys who played with him in Japan?

Ivan Rodriguez.

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 11:34 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 28 2010 11:43 AM

CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver
David Weathers
Jason Isringhausen

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 11:35 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Are we counting guys who played with him in Japan?


"...once managed by Bobby Valentine" would imply managed anywhere (though I can't swear that one of his waiters from the old place in Corona didn't make the majors last year).

So anyway, yes.

Edgy DC
Nov 28 2010 11:37 AM
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Jamie Moyer.

MFS62
Nov 28 2010 11:42 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Jamie Moyer.

That's not fair. Moyer has been managed by every manager since Connie Mack.
Later

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 11:44 AM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver
David Weathers
Jason Isringhausen

seawolf17
Nov 28 2010 12:10 PM
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MFS62 wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
Jamie Moyer.

That's not fair. Moyer has been managed by every manager since Connie Mack.
Later

That joke never gets old.

I know Timo Perez was still bopping around last year, but I don't know if he cracked the bigs or not. I'll guess him anyway.

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 12:16 PM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver
David Weathers
Jason Isringhausen
Timo Perez

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 12:20 PM
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HINT: Three of the remaining four players were once involved in the same trade.

Edgy DC
Nov 28 2010 12:50 PM
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A.J. Burnett

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 12:52 PM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver (not managed by BV)
David Weathers (not active in 2010)
Jason Isringhausen (not active in 2010)
Timo Perez (not active in 2010)
A.J. Burnett (not managed by BV)

Centerfield
Nov 28 2010 02:23 PM
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Jose Reyes

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 02:25 PM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver (not managed by BV)
David Weathers (not active in 2010)
Jason Isringhausen (not active in 2010)
Timo Perez (not active in 2010)
A.J. Burnett (not managed by BV)
Jose Reyes (not managed by BV)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 28 2010 02:33 PM
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Glendon Rusch?

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 02:45 PM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11.
12.
13.
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver (not managed by BV)
David Weathers (not active in 2010)
Jason Isringhausen (not active in 2010)
Timo Perez (not active in 2010)
A.J. Burnett (not managed by BV)
Jose Reyes (not managed by BV)
Glendon Rusch (not active in 2010)

Gwreck
Nov 28 2010 07:21 PM
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HINT: Three of the remaining four players were once involved in the same trade.


Scott Strickland, Bruce Chen and...um...no idea who that third player is.

Also, Tyler Walker (not to be confused with Pete Walker or Tyler Yates) was still active somewhere this past year I believe.

Edgy DC
Nov 28 2010 07:45 PM
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I just looked it up.

Given 175 guesses, I'd have gotten it.

Wow.

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 08:02 PM
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CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11. Bruce Chen (Gwreck)
12. Scott Strickland (Gwreck)
13. Tyler Walker (Gwreck)
14.

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver (not managed by BV)
David Weathers (not active in 2010)
Jason Isringhausen (not active in 2010)
Timo Perez (not active in 2010)
A.J. Burnett (not managed by BV)
Jose Reyes (not managed by BV)
Glendon Rusch (not active in 2010)

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 08:03 PM
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Gwreck wrote:
...no idea who that third player is.


Elementary, my dear...BLANK.

Remember, Bobby Valentine had to manage him somewhere in this world.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 28 2010 08:07 PM
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Matt F. Watson

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 08:33 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 28 2010 08:43 PM

CORRECT
1. Melvin Mora (Metirish)
2. Jay Payton (batmagadanleadoff)
3. Pedro Feliciano (batmagadanleadoff)
4. Ty Wigginton (batmagadanleadoff)
5. Gary Matthews, Jr. (batmagadanleadoff)
6. Marco Scutaro (Metirish)
7. Mike Hampton (bml)
8. Octavio Dotel (bml)
9. Ivan Rodriguez (Edgy)
10. Jamie Moyer (Edgy)
11. Bruce Chen (Gwreck)
12. Scott Strickland (Gwreck)
13. Tyler Walker (Gwreck)
14. Matt Watson (JCL)

INCORRECT
Darren Oliver (not managed by BV)
David Weathers (not active in 2010)
Jason Isringhausen (not active in 2010)
Timo Perez (not active in 2010)
A.J. Burnett (not managed by BV)
Jose Reyes (not managed by BV)
Glendon Rusch (not active in 2010)
Saul Rivera (not active in 2010 and never managed by BV)

Ashie62
Nov 28 2010 08:36 PM
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Saul Rivera of the Gnats...

G-Fafif
Nov 28 2010 08:42 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Matt F. Watson


Technically, Matthew Kyle Watson of the 2003 Art Howe Mets, the Bobby Valentine Chiba Lotte Marines of 2006 and 2007 and the 2010 Oakland Athletics, managed by Bob Geren.

Possibly revealing factoid: Watson, Strickland, Chen, Walker, Payton, Hampton and Feliciano have not played in the majors in a straight line, each missing from MLB for at least one entire season since their debuts. Watson and Strickland were big leaguers in 2010 after not having been since 2005. Most of them have faced the end of the line yet pushed back from it, marking them as successful reclamation projects given that they reclaimed their major league status. Coincidence or something about having played under a manager who resuscitated a fistful of overlooked/underappreciated 4-A types in his time?

You decide.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 28 2010 08:47 PM
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What I remember about Matt Watson was his being suddenly "demoted" to to the New York Penn League just as the Cyclones coincidentally reached the playoffs.

themetfairy
Nov 28 2010 08:50 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
What I remember about Matt Watson was his being suddenly "demoted" to to the New York Penn League just as the Cyclones coincidentally reached the playoffs.


What I remember was that after Watson was called up I wrote something about him in Monday Morning Mets, and his mother e-mailed me to tell me just how much she enjoyed the piece. It was the only time I ever heard from a player's mom.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 28 2010 08:59 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
I just looked it up.

Given 175 guesses, I'd have gotten it.

Wow.



I looked up the answers sometime after you got Jamie Moyer, leaving four answers on the table. I still couldn't solve the end of this quiz.

Gwreck
Nov 28 2010 11:08 PM
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I would've forgotten these people but I recall G-Fafif recently remarking about he always forgot (or confused) Tyler Walker, and I think metirish was discussing Strickland recently. But I could've never gotten Watson.

G-Fafif
Nov 29 2010 08:30 AM
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Gwreck wrote:
I would've forgotten these people but I recall G-Fafif recently remarking about he always forgot (or confused) Tyler Walker, and I think metirish was discussing Strickland recently. But I could've never gotten Watson.


"Smithers, who is that young righthanded dynamo with the robust earned run average?"
"That's Tyler Walker, sir. He's one of your relief pitchers in Sector 7G."
"Tyler Walker, eh? I'm going to remember that name!"

Tyler Walker does bump up against Tyler Yates on conflationary impact but mostly he's become The Met I Have No Memory Of. I was at his only two Shea appearances in 2002 but I must've been out taking up smoking or needlepoint or something because the name meant nothing to me whenever it kept popping up in later years with other teams and it was mentioned he was once a Met.

He was?

Tyler, too, has the distinction of making his Shea bow in the one game in my Log that I also have zero recollection of -- though I've no doubt I was there since I had Friday tickets that year and it was a Friday. Surely they were wearing the alternate unis that night, for Tyler Walker must be one of the Men In Black. How else would have he erased my memory of everything about him so thoroughly?

Edgy DC
Nov 29 2010 08:44 AM
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Tyler Walker sticks with me because he was the starting pitcher in the first Mets minor league game I ever attended. (Fell in love with junior Mets and have been to many since.) Yates was a flakey Hawaiian who somehow opened a Mets season as the number five starter.

Walker was built on the Roger Clemens model: chunky middle, strong legs, drop-and-drive, fastball/splitter/slider repetoire, frequently hurt. Walker's nickname is "The Gobbler." I know, right? But it supposedly stems from his appreciation for Wild Turkey.

G-Fafif
Nov 29 2010 08:54 AM
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Yates I remember clearly, at least his mysterious earning of a slot in my favorite team's pitching rotation despite my being murky in real time on how got it and his much celebrated (by Fran Healy if no one else) Hawaiian background.

Tyler Walker could walk in here right now doing shots of Turkey while sporting his (I had to MBTN it) No. 46 Mets uniform and I'd be more alarmed than welcoming. Neil Allen, Brian Bohanon, even Ollie walks in wearing No. 46, I'd offer them something.

themetfairy
Nov 29 2010 10:19 AM
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I think of Tyler Walker as Albert Brooks anchoring the weekend news in Broadcast News. I remember watching him pitch against Philly on the TV, and the amount of flop sweat he produced was incredible. From that point on, D-Dad and I referred to him as Mr. Sweaty.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 29 2010 11:27 AM
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Jim Duquette blew Yates smoke up our asses all winter long. I desperately hoped Duke knew something everyone else didn't.

One more Matt Watson nugget: He slugged better than 500 in AA and AAA that year, but upon his recall to the Mets he lost ABs to another callup, also a lefty, Mike F. Glavine.

G-Fafif
Nov 29 2010 12:03 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Jim Duquette blew Yates smoke up our asses all winter long. I desperately hoped Duke knew something everyone else didn't.

One more Matt Watson nugget: He slugged better than 500 in AA and AAA that year, but upon his recall to the Mets he lost ABs to another callup, also a lefty, Mike F. Glavine.


Mike Glavine...fuuuuck.

Centerfield
Nov 29 2010 12:05 PM
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I have no memory of Tyler Walker or Matt Watson.

None.

At first I thought you guys were talking about Allen Watson.

Centerfield
Nov 29 2010 12:12 PM
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By the way, Tyler Walker joins fellow Met Pete Walker (and a host of others) and Grant Balfour as poorly named pitchers.

The best, A's pitcher Josh Outman.

Edgy DC
Nov 29 2010 12:36 PM
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The Mets were losing so consistently then, I doubt Glavine was appearing in many games that Watson didn't show up in.

That team needed lefty stick. If you recall, it was the team that prompted a doomed Bobby Valentine, when told he should play out the end of the season "like it was the World Series," to respond, "Well, then, can I have a lefthanded pinch-hitter? --- everyone else has one."

G-Fafif
Nov 29 2010 12:45 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
The Mets were losing so consistently then, I doubt Glavine was appearing in many games that Watson didn't show up in.

That team needed lefty stick. If you recall, it was the team that prompted a doomed Bobby Valentine, when told he should play out the end of the season "like it was the World Series," to respond, "Well, then, can I have a lefthanded pinch-hitter? --- everyone else has one."


Glavine (both of them, actually) and Watson (Matt, not Allen) were not on Valentine's watch. They were part of the Art Howe's Rich Pageant.

Edgy DC
Nov 29 2010 12:54 PM
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Shit, you caught me conflating.

Well we went into more than one September, it would seem, wanting for lefthanded pop off the bench.

G-Fafif
Nov 29 2010 01:01 PM
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Tyler Yates and Tyler Walker. Jason Roach and Jeremy Griffiths. Orber Marino and Edwin Almonte and Jason Anderson. Pat Strange and Jason Middlebrook. Matt Watson and Matt Ginter. Joe DePastino and Joe Hietpas.

Conflation was spiraling out of control from 2002 to 2004.

Edgy DC
Nov 29 2010 01:41 PM
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Mark Little/McKay Christensen/Raul Gonzalez.

Mike DeJean/Rickey Bottallico.

Bartolome Fortunato/Vic Darensbourg.

G-Fafif
Nov 29 2010 01:52 PM
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Those rosters...it was like somebody decided to update "Van Lingle Mungo," got depressed and looked to see what was on TV.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 29 2010 04:53 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 29 2010 07:39 PM

Bruce Chen is still out there pitching. I know he played for the Mets, I think it was under Bobby V. Did Glendon Rusch pitch in the majors last year? If so, he would be one of Bobby V's guys.




Upon edit: Somehow, I went from page 1 to page 3 when reading this page. By somehow skipping over page 2, I missed that Gwreck had already added Bruce Chen and JCL had missed with Glendon Rusch. The old RMPL (or at least read better before posting) wouild have been a good idea for me.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 29 2010 07:09 PM
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Mets who didn't play in 2010 (but did play in 2009)