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Chris Young... no, the other one

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2010 06:19 PM

He gets his own thread, people. Rumor mill is hot hot hawt that he might become a New York Met. Got my west coast biased on for sure, but I was real fond of this guy as a Padre. 1-year incentive-laden deal? How much lettuce? I don't know. 4 starts at the end of the year. 4 very good ones, by the looks of things. Would he be one of the 5 tallest Mets? Top 3? I would bet yes.

bmfc1 Nov 29 2010 06:29 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

6'10"--gotta be the tallest, right?

Frayed Knot Nov 29 2010 06:35 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

This is the one who played hoops at Princeton. 32 y/o in May. The <100 IP over the last two years combined and the <200 over the last three are definite problems - but the stuff before that was pretty good. http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ch03.shtml

seawolf17 Nov 29 2010 06:46 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Eric Hillman was 6'10" or 6'11". I'll repeat what I said in the other thread. One year, between Maine's $2.5 million and Vazquez's $7 million would be perfect.

Gwreck Nov 29 2010 06:50 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 29 2010 06:53 PM

Edit: Hillman was 6'10." I must've been confusing him with 6' 9" Terry Bross.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2010 06:53 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

David West might be a PF on the (t)all-Mets team.

Edgy DC Nov 29 2010 07:02 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Mike Pelfrey: shrimp.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2010 07:07 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

From 2005: Short Mets Tall Mets Big Mets Small Mets

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 29 2010 07:22 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

He's a little like John Maine, right down to the attractive whiff numbers and multiple shoulder woes. Both were pretty good in 2007. I would guess Young could come cheaper at this point.

metirish Nov 29 2010 07:24 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Jeff D'Amico was surely 6'10 and more. Tweets are saying Young would be a perfect fit for CF......but can he still pitch?

Fman99 Nov 29 2010 07:33 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I like it. Change of venue, incentive laden, big park, etc. He's got good stuff, better than Maine from a raw talent perspective I'd venture.

Rockin' Doc Nov 29 2010 07:43 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I'd prefer the Mets to take a chance on Young rather than Maine. I think Young was the better pitcher of the two prior to their injuries.

Edgy DC Nov 29 2010 08:27 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Any disappointment that the first thing Sandy do is go out and recruit someone from the folders he brought with him from San Diego? I mean, Omar looked disproportionately to former Expos and occasionally old Ranger guys and Steve Phillips signed his old minor-league roommate (for Pete's sake). Both were derided as short-sighted for this.

Ceetar Nov 29 2010 08:48 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He's a little like John Maine, right down to the attractive whiff numbers and multiple shoulder woes. Both were pretty good in 2007. I would guess Young could come cheaper at this point. Last clocked throwing 85-86 too.

MFS62 Nov 29 2010 09:42 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He's a little like John Maine, right down to the attractive whiff numbers and multiple shoulder woes. Both were pretty good in 2007. I would guess Young could come cheaper at this point. Last clocked throwing 85-86 too. I'm not too concerned with fastball speed as long as the pitcher can change speeds and has decent command. I don't think Rick Reed, Bobby (righty)Jones or Steve Traschell consistently touched 90 MPH (if at all). But they were pretty serviceable or better starters. Worth an incentive laden contract, IMO. Maybe he can fool 'em until Santana returns or until Mejia or Gee is ready to step into the rotation full time. If his velocity improves, even better. Later

Valadius Nov 30 2010 06:19 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

As long as they're not throwing an 80 mph fastball with no movement like Brian Lawrence, I'm cool.

metirish Nov 30 2010 06:33 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Edgy DC wrote: Any disappointment that the first thing Sandy do is go out and recruit someone from the folders he brought with him from San Diego? I mean, Omar looked disproportionately to former Expos and occasionally old Ranger guys and Steve Phillips signed his old minor-league roommate (for Pete's sake). Both were derided as short-sighted for this. Oh yeah , it's like GM 101 at times.....

Edgy DC Nov 30 2010 07:09 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

To be fair, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing. If you know anything about undervalued assets, you know about the ones your last organizaiton wasn't valuing --- or in a position to give proper value to. The problem is when it persists over a while and you're making deals based on a crushie-wushie you got on a guy years before and not giving proper weight to later information.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2010 07:22 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I'm confused by the subject line here. Is there a more famous Chris Young that I don't know about? (I'll have to check Wikipedia, I guess.) I assume you're not talking about the Christine Young who works for the same company I do.

Centerfield Nov 30 2010 07:31 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm confused by the subject line here. Is there a more famous Chris Young that I don't know about? (I'll have to check Wikipedia, I guess.) I assume you're not talking about the Christine Young who works for the same company I do. OMG! YOU WORK WITH HER?

seawolf17 Nov 30 2010 07:34 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

The other Chris Young is an outfielder for the Diamondbacks.

metsmarathon Nov 30 2010 08:43 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

it can't be long until there's a steve smith playing in the major leagues, can it? those guys are everywhere!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 30 2010 09:42 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Just looked. I can't believe there's never been a Steve Smith in the majors. Diminshed velocity or no, the problem with Chris Young isn't that he's been getting hit more-- his BABIP and HR rates have remained low or dropped even as he's gotten less effective. To paraphrase a famous campaign manager/praying mantis-human, It's the walks, stupid. He was a bit better than Maine when he was good... and for longer, too-- he put up sub-4 ERAs and 8+ K/9 for 3 straight seasons (with FIPs hovering around the mid-3-to-mid-4 range), and made thirty starts in each.

Vic Sage Dec 01 2010 09:28 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

If we're going to take a flyer on a guy who hasn't pitched a full season in 4 years, why not a Rich Harden, with higher upside? That way, if you get lucky, you get REALLY lucky?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 01 2010 11:44 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Does Harden really have much higher upside? He strikes out a few more batters, but he also walks more... and has an even longer, more varied injury history than Big Old Nassau.

Ceetar Dec 01 2010 12:04 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

It's not like they're equal 'gutshot' guys. closer evaluation may suggest Young has a better shot of contributing anything.

Edgy DC Dec 19 2010 03:07 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

So, is this courtship alive or dead?

Edgy DC Jan 04 2011 09:56 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Young has supposedly been offered a modest deal from the Mets, but for over a milliion guaranteed. Several sources are repeating it, but it appears Buster Olney is the lone parent source.

Ceetar Jan 05 2011 06:56 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Edgy DC wrote: Young has supposedly been offered a modest deal from the Mets, but for over a milliion guaranteed. Several sources are repeating it, but it appears Buster Olney is the lone parent source. I hear rumblings that they didn't in fact offer him a contract. Which for all I know, means he rejected it.

Fman99 Jan 16 2011 06:13 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Whither goest thou, Chris Young? According to sawed-off human Buster Olney, recently... ESPN MFY loving midget wrote: Chris Young is getting closer to making a decision on where he will pitch in 2011; the Mets, as we know, are interested, and the Nats may be in the running, as well. It's expected that he'll probably sign for a base salary for something in the range of more than $1 million, plus incentives of something in the range of $3 million. Upside on Young I think is not insignificantly higher than it is on Capuano, Buchholz and the 2010 leftovers in the back of the fridge.

Valadius Jan 16 2011 08:11 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

The upside on Young is that signing him makes it increasingly untenable for Ollie Perez to stick around.

Frayed Knot Jan 17 2011 04:10 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

The New York Mets are closing in on a deal with free-agent right-hander Chris Young, a source within the organization told ESPNNewYork.com. Young, 31, made three September starts for the San Diego Padres last season, after missing most of the season with a strained right shoulder. The deal will not be completed until the Mets are satisfied with Young's physical.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 17 2011 06:15 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Frayed Knot wrote: The deal will not be completed until the Mets are satisfied with Young's physical. Sources reported late Monday that although Young had turned his head, he had yet to cough.

Edgy DC Jan 17 2011 09:22 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

If I'm not mistaken, they'll need the physical period to open up some room on the roster. It looks from my perspective like Pat Misch or Luis Hernandez is going to be sucking down some waiver juice.

MFS62 Jan 17 2011 09:32 PM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

According to the ESPN radio 10 PM update, John Heyman has reported the (conditional) signing. Fill in your John Heyman credibility comments here. Later

Valadius Jan 18 2011 06:20 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Reported by AP this morning. Seriously, I see no path for Ollie Perez to stick around past Spring Training.

metirish Jan 18 2011 06:30 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I don't see a path but I do see a yellow brick road lined with $12 million . If he has a good ST maybe someone will take him with the Mets eating a large amount of that money, I just don't see them eating all of it, if they can even get a team to take on a few million then that's something.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 18 2011 06:41 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Oliver Perez has no trade value, but Oliver Perez plus $11.5 million certainly should.

Ceetar Jan 18 2011 07:02 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Oliver Perez has no trade value, but Oliver Perez plus $11.5 million certainly should. No it won't. the Mets have 41 guys for a 40 man roster, and everyone know the Mets want him off the team. Why give the Mets anything if you can have him April 1st for free? well, not for free. I guess it might be worth giving the Mets a crap MI filler not to ahve to have Boras tell you you should give him more than league minimum?

Centerfield Jan 18 2011 07:57 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I wish I had more confidence in Young, but I get the feeling he's not going to be very good. He missed the season that was supposed to be his bounce back season. Kind of mysterious shoulder injuries and decreased velocity...not good signs. I'd love if he were to work out, but I'm not that optimistic.

Edgy DC Jan 18 2011 08:50 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Understood, and considering the magnitude of his size, any impingment on his motion can have a devastating effect on his mechanics. But at that price, I'll consider a 50% chance of him becoming a solid, stable part of the rotation as a good deal.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 18 2011 08:59 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I think the odds are fairly good that either Capuano or Young will be able to start 20 or more games. Signing both of them is better than just signing one of them. (The eggs/basket thing.)

Ceetar Jan 18 2011 09:02 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think the odds are fairly good that either Capuano or Young will be able to start 20 or more games. Signing both of them is better than just signing one of them. (The eggs/basket thing.) And the hope is that Santana will be back for the last 12-15. So that bridges that gap, and maybe someone in Buffalo shows something to fill in when the other gets hurt.

attgig Jan 18 2011 09:35 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Oliver Perez has no trade value, but Oliver Perez plus $11.5 million certainly should. No it won't. the Mets have 41 guys for a 40 man roster, and everyone know the Mets want him off the team. Why give the Mets anything if you can have him April 1st for free? well, not for free. I guess it might be worth giving the Mets a crap MI filler not to ahve to have Boras tell you you should give him more than league minimum? do the 41 guys include krod? because he's still in the disqualified list. not on the 40 man. that'll be another person that needs to leave assuming that krod gets back on the 40 man on opnening day which is to be expected.

Ceetar Jan 18 2011 09:44 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

attgig wrote: Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Oliver Perez has no trade value, but Oliver Perez plus $11.5 million certainly should. No it won't. the Mets have 41 guys for a 40 man roster, and everyone know the Mets want him off the team. Why give the Mets anything if you can have him April 1st for free? well, not for free. I guess it might be worth giving the Mets a crap MI filler not to ahve to have Boras tell you you should give him more than league minimum? do the 41 guys include krod? because he's still in the disqualified list. not on the 40 man. that'll be another person that needs to leave assuming that krod gets back on the 40 man on opnening day which is to be expected. no, K-Rod would be 42. I've mentally assigned K-Rod Santana's spot, who likely can be transferred to the 60 day DL the same time Frankie needs to be activated.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2011 08:47 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

It's official: Adam Rubin wrote: Chris Young passed his physical with the New York Mets on Thursday, clearing the way for him to sign his one-year deal with the team. The Mets are scheduled to announce the deal with the right-handed starter at 1 p.m. ET. Sources say that Young can earn up to $4.5 million if he reaches all his incentives, a deal similar to the one left-hander Chris Capuano signed, sources said. Capuano received a base salary of $1.5 million and can approach the maximum if he throws 200 innings and makes 32 starts. Sources said that Young's incentives are a bit easier to reach.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2011 08:52 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Whoa. Are they gonna have a press conference and jersey-try-on and everything? I don't think they've had one of those this year other than Collins. I think maybe they should with Young, Capuano, Paulino, etc.

Ceetar Jan 20 2011 08:53 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's official: Adam Rubin wrote: Chris Young passed his physical with the New York Mets on Thursday, clearing the way for him to sign his one-year deal with the team. The Mets are scheduled to announce the deal with the right-handed starter at 1 p.m. ET. Sources say that Young can earn up to $4.5 million if he reaches all his incentives, a deal similar to the one left-hander Chris Capuano signed, sources said. Capuano received a base salary of $1.5 million and can approach the maximum if he throws 200 innings and makes 32 starts. Sources said that Young's incentives are a bit easier to reach. Once a deal is 'official' do they have to 'officially' add him to the 40 man roster? So the real news would be the cooresponding move.

Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 09:00 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

Gotta get Hu in on that press conference, just to keep the Asian Times at bay. Yeah, I await an announcement of a correllative waiver move.

Valadius Jan 21 2011 09:18 AM Re: Chris Young... no, the other one

I want to read Asian lady's exclusive interview with Hu. AL - "What will you do to bring more Asian players to the Mets?" CLH - "That's the job of the general manager. I just play baseball."