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Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

soupcan Dec 03 2010 09:49 AM

Link. Francesa offers no recall for Governor PHIL MUSHNICK Posted: 1:24 AM, December 3, 2010 WHAT A JOKE: When WFAN mouthpiece Mike Francesa (right) had Gov. David Paterson as a guest on Wednesday, Francesa avoided addressing his 2008 comments, when he called Paterson “a loser” and “a joke.” The Emperor’s Same Old New Clothes: Every day Mike Francesa breaks fresh ground for public pomposity and dishonesty. That’s not easily done. But there’s no one like him. Anywhere. Wednesday, his buddy-buddy guest was Gov. David Paterson. Ahh, the perfect opportunity for Fran-say-so, who openly admonishes his WFAN inferiors for failure to practice credible, forthright, accountable journalism, to have played the 2008 tape when Francesa and Chris Russo attacked Paterson in a lengthy spew. They crushed Paterson, denigrated him as “a loser” and “a joke.” How, they asked, does such a poor excuse for a person ascend to such a position? Francesa, before or after swapping pillow talk with Paterson, might have played for him that tape on Wednesday. The least he could do was quote from it. Fat chance. What’s that? Another of those Francesa tapes that FAN seems to have misplaced; the dog ate it? No problem. It’s right there on BobsBlitz.com, a site that pays special attention to Francesa because he provides a rich, daily assortment of nationally transmitted know-it-all arrogance, rude dismissals of callers (especially those who know better than he), self-serving contradictions, relentless interruptions of guests and untruths he imperiously states as facts. Another site, mikefrancesa.com, carefully has tracked his NFL picks, this season. And while no just-for-kicks picker should take himself so seriously that he would misrepresent his record, Francesa on Wednesday, claimed to be 17-14, nothing-special, but not bad. But again, who cares? Apparently, Francesa. With video and audio to back it, the site has Francesa at 14-15-5 — or even less than nothing special. Yesterday, Francesa “hosted” new Hofstra hoops coach Mo Casera. But instead of allowing listeners to get to know Casera, Francesa granted Casera the opportunity to learn how much he, Front Row Francesa, knows basketball. He not only repeatedly interrupted Casera, he told him what to think, how to think, and provided sage coaching counsel — while dropping names to let him know how many big shot pals he has in the game. He even explained Hofstra, the school, to Casera. Self-aggrandizements that none of us would have the gall to whisper in private, Francesa says on the air — without even shifting in his throne or raising his scepter. Every day in every way, the same message: He’s a big shot, and you’re not. They even named a fish after him: the Perch. And a bird: the Giant Crow. The best hand is named in Francesa’s honor: the Royal Flush. And, of course, a holiday: Christmas.

metirish Dec 03 2010 09:57 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Francesa never fails to be what he is....I think he's claiming to have resurrected Steve Phillips career, such as that is right now. I do love though how when he has a guest on he tells them how to do this and that.....and I miss when the Dog would ask him to guess the overnight ratings on certain events, be they sports or the Oscars.

Fman99 Dec 03 2010 10:06 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I think Steve Phillips plowed that fat ESPN intern thinking it was Francesa in a wig.

seawolf17 Dec 03 2010 01:16 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Steve Pikiell was on yesterday too; Francesa was pretty fair, even laudatory. Spent a little too much time talking about UConn, but all in all, a pretty solid commercial for Stony Brook.

Ceetar Dec 03 2010 01:21 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I hate mushnick too though

metsguyinmichigan Dec 03 2010 03:54 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Fman99 wrote: I think Steve Phillips plowed that fat ESPN intern thinking it was Francesa in a wig. This is reprehensible in just about every way imaginable. Not saying I don't love it. Bad ass.

metirish Dec 06 2010 09:53 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Flipping channels yesterday morning and I happen upon Francesa on YES doing a football show......."the jets?, they've won nothing ,come back to me when they've won a Super Bowl , the Giants won a SB , Jets have won nothing"...and on it went I didn't hang around for his expert picks.

Vic Sage Dec 06 2010 10:12 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

it amazes me that he could articulate syllables while sucking Belichick's dick.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2010 08:19 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Mushnick - 10/12: WikiLeaks this week will release classified documents showing the State Dept., the CIA, the FBI, and the Ramapo, N.J., Police Dept. all provided Class A Security Clearance to Mike Francesa.

metirish Dec 12 2010 09:22 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Mushnick - 10/12: WikiLeaks this week will release classified documents showing the State Dept., the CIA, the FBI, and the Ramapo, N.J., Police Dept. all provided Class A Security Clearance to Mike Francesa. Lol

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2010 10:28 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

The part about the Ramapo police dept is particularly funny because when the Lawrence Taylor rape case news started to break Francesa dismissed the seriousness of some of the early details based on contacts he claimed to have with Ramapo, NJ police; "I know things that haven't been reported yet?", he scolded at an anti-Taylor caller. Except that as the story fleshed out a bit it was revealed that Taylor had been arrested in Ramapo, New York and therefore whatever 'ins' Mikey was bragging about in NJ couldn't possibly have been feeding him info like he claimed and, more likely, he was merely being an apologist on account of LT being one of Parcell's guys.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 12 2010 10:46 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Frayed Knot wrote: The part about the Ramapo police dept is particularly funny because when the Lawrence Taylor rape case news started to break Francesa dismissed the seriousness of some of the early details based on contacts he claimed to have with Ramapo, NJ police; "I know things that haven't been reported yet?", he scolded at an anti-Taylor caller. Except that as the story fleshed out a bit it was revealed that Taylor had been arrested in Ramapo, New York and therefore whatever 'ins' Mikey was bragging about in NJ couldn't possibly have been feeding him info like he claimed and, more likely, he was merely being an apologist on account of LT being one of Parcell's guys. That's a funny story. It's unlikely that I would've caught it if not for your post because I don't listen to Francesa at all.

Ceetar Dec 12 2010 10:51 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Similiar to how people caught him lying about his football picks record this season recently? I don't know if anyone ever called him on that though.

soupcan Dec 13 2010 01:06 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Mushnick today: Prof. Mike uniquely uninformed Professa Mike Francesa was at his see-through best on Friday. Addressing the Cliff Lee hunt, he said that Lee has "fungibility." Then, His Highness's sense of noblesse oblige kicked in. He explained the word's meaning to his audience of serfs, peons, vassals and the ill-bred. Fungibility, said Fran-say-so, means "uniqueness, unique." Gong! It not only doesn't mean unique, it means almost the opposite. Fungibility means to possess such similar qualities that the items can be interchangeable. Francesa, apparently having been informed off-air of his error, later tried to re-explain fungibility, as if he knew its meaning but might have left his audience of sloggers and grunts confused -- as if we misheard and he didn't misspeak. But his protracted, contradictory explanation just dug him deeper. He might have said, "You know, my definition of fungibility, earlier, was wrong" and been done with it. Fat chance.

metsmarathon Dec 13 2010 01:46 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

i had heard that. and was bewildered.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2010 02:50 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

And the fun part about the "fungible" deal is that it's a term commonly used in the finance & investments world, a(nother) world in which Francesa fancies himself an authority to the point of once being quoted in a magazine article as saying he could host a show on one of the business channels "starting tomorrow". I think at this point it's just a matter of whether Francesa is a tremendous ass with a giant ego or a tremendous ego with a giant ass.

metirish Dec 21 2010 07:03 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Raissman Mike Francesa lets Giants off the hook for Sunday meltdown against Eagles on Ch. 4's 'Pope'd Up' Wonder what Mike (Sports Pope) Francesa would've said if the Jets gagged on a lead the way the Giants did Sunday in PSL Stadium? That hook His Holiness let the Giants off of Sunday night, during his audience with the unwashed masses on Ch. 4's "Pope'd Up," grew bigger by the second. The fire and brimstone Francesa reserves for Rex Ryan, the kind of stuff he torches the Fat Man with on a daily basis, was nowhere to be found. It must have been locked in a Big Blue safe under the pulpit. The pontiff called the Giants' 38-31 choke job at the hands of Philly, and the feet of Michael Vick, "stunning," and "almost impossible to fathom." Francesa said, "You cannot have the mistakes." He called it "an anatomy of a disaster," but never jumped to the dark side, never afforded Tom Coughlin Rex-like treatment. On Sunday night the Pope didn't take off the holy gloves. If this were a Jets opponent coming back on a Gang Green team up three touchdowns with eight minutes to play, Francesa would've come out swinging. Loud and ranting, he would have pinned the disaster on the "loose" operation Ryan runs, or Rex's big mouth, or "Hard Knocks," or cheeseburgers, or "needless" Santonio Holmes celebrations, or Sal Alosi and his chorus line (by the way, the Giants could've used Alosi when DeSean Jackson was running to daylight)." Yeah, you can just hear Francesa saying: "They haven't won anything and they continue to talk. After choking on a three-touchdown lead, what's Rex got to say now?" In the Pope's world, no 2010 Giants do any trash talking or boasting. Perhaps one of Francesa's lackeys should've told him about David Diehl's appearance on Ch. 9's postgame show. Even after the embarrassment Diehl, showing he has chutzpah and a lot of Ryan in him, said: "We have a goal in mind and that's winning a Super Bowl." No, on Sunday night, Francesa didn't go as far as he's capable of going on any of the Giants players or coaches. Why not single out the four Giants who whiffed on Jackson, or the players who, like robots, peeled back aiding and abetting the Eagles successful onside kick. As for the coaches, if discipline or fear were part of the equation, Matt Dodge would not have dared kick a low liner to Jackson. That Dodge vapor-locked is not just on him, it's on the coaches, too. If the staff can't get through to Dodge at this point in the season, why is he still on the roster? There were plenty of Giants targets. Francesa shot blanks. The Pope has never been shy about shining a light on Ryan and his assistants, who he once referred to as "renegades." On Sunday night, when it came to the Giants, Francesa never used the word "choke" or "gag," or another set of adjectives he directed toward the Jets when they went to New England and were crushed by the Pats. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... z18krmqXj3

Edgy DC Dec 21 2010 07:18 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Dodge is getting too much shit here. The snapper put the hike over his head, keeping him from reading if a blitz was coming at him and he rushed the kick. And then the coverage failed terribly, allowing the return man to deke through the middle without hitting his stride until five tacklers over-ran him.

Ceetar Dec 21 2010 07:19 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

It's one thing to have limited options in the car and listen to him, but why do people turn him on the TV on Sunday Nights? Carton overcriticizes the Giants and Eli and coddles the Jets enough to balance it out. Well, at least to swing the scales back a little. I agree though, Dodge is getting too much blame, because it was the three touchdowns before that that were the real problem.

metirish Dec 21 2010 07:21 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Edgy DC wrote: Dodge is getting too much shit here. The snapper put the hike over his head, keeping him from reading if a blitz was coming at him and he rushed the kick. And then the coverage failed terribly, allowing the return man to deke through the middle without hitting his stride until five tacklers over-ran him. True , and it's not like they scored 20 points on that one play right?

HahnSolo Dec 21 2010 07:23 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I've seen the replay enough to confidently say that the snap wasn't that bad. So, kick it out of bounds. But somebody make a tackle!

metsmarathon Dec 21 2010 07:27 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

they'd already blown the lead at that point. if it went to overtime, its not like they were guaranteed to win.

HahnSolo Dec 21 2010 07:30 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I agree that the lead was blown and that Dodge is deflecting attention away from other culprits (looking at you, defense that gave up 21 points in 6 1/2 minutes). I just don't buy the excuse that he couldn't punt it out of bounds because the snap was too high.

Edgy DC Dec 21 2010 07:32 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I certainly don't mean to excuse his failure, only to say that there's plenty to go around.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2010 07:40 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

HahnSolo wrote: I agree that the lead was blown and that Dodge is deflecting attention away from other culprits (looking at you, defense that gave up 21 points in 6 1/2 minutes).. I didn't see the game, or any of the replays, so I may not know whereof I speak, but this is reminding me of Bill Buckner. He's gone down in history as the goat, and Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley have escaped the great majority of the blame.

Ceetar Dec 21 2010 07:42 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I agree that the lead was blown and that Dodge is deflecting attention away from other culprits (looking at you, defense that gave up 21 points in 6 1/2 minutes).. I didn't see the game, or any of the replays, so I may not know whereof I speak, but this is reminding me of Bill Buckner. He's gone down in history as the goat, and Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley have escaped the great majority of the blame. Don't forget clemens for supposedly asking out of the game! ;-)

Edgy DC Dec 21 2010 07:51 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Clemens has done a great job carefully constucting a reputation as a serious post-season gamer, when a reasonably close analysis of the evidence could easily dispel that myth. Congress should investigate that!

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2010 07:58 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Clemens is a titan, remember?

Ceetar Dec 21 2010 08:01 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Clemens is a titan, remember? That the name of the prison team he'll be looking to unretire to play for?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 21 2010 10:11 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I agree that the lead was blown and that Dodge is deflecting attention away from other culprits (looking at you, defense that gave up 21 points in 6 1/2 minutes).. I didn't see the game, or any of the replays, so I may not know whereof I speak, but this is reminding me of Bill Buckner. He's gone down in history as the goat, and Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley have escaped the great majority of the blame. Good analogy. The reason Dodge is getting thrown under the bus? Because his coach threw him there-- first with the on-field confrontation before the play was over, THEN with the passive-aggressive press conference ("I told him to kick out of bounds, but the loss is my responsibility").

metirish Jan 11 2011 01:34 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Francesa's dial isn't Jet-set Mike Francesa was fresh off another verbal sparring session with Jets fans, but he sounded energized and ready to go another four rounds. That was a good thing for him, seeing as how it was only Monday. "Jets fans feel I'm anti-Jet, and I'm sure the Jets feel I'm anti-Jet,'' the WFAN host said on his way home. "But the Jets are clearly anti-me. Do I feel the Jets are anti-me? Absolutely.'' So it has gone for the Emperor of New York sports radio, whose year-old feud with the Jets has added another ring to the Rex Ryan circus recently. On one hand, the story line has been invaluable fodder for Francesa's show. "The fact the Jets fans feel it's them against me I think has increased the intensity of the program,'' he said. On the other, he risks straining listeners' patience and hurting his credibility if he is perceived to have a bias against the team. To many listeners, that already is self-evident. Francesa said he strives to be "very fair'' in his analysis. But he admitted the Jets get no benefit of the doubt from him. "They have sided with my competitor to try to hurt me,'' he said. "I don't think that's going to make me feel very warm and fuzzy about them.'' Francesa was referring to the Jets' policies for 1050 ESPN, their programming partner, relative to WFAN. More about that later. First, this: The team insists it has no problem with Francesa. "I feel like he's a person that has an opinion and he's entitled to share it and he's well respected in the marketplace and that's his obligation to his listeners,'' Jets media relations chief Bruce Speight said. "There's not a feud from our perspective.'' Said Francesa: "Baloney.'' The trouble began last January when the Jets told WFAN the players would be limited to 1050 during the playoffs. Speight called it a "mutual decision'' between the team and station. Francesa saw it as an inappropriate means of helping a partner that has fared badly in the ratings and a step the Knicks and Rangers, also 1050 partners, declined to take. ESPN doesn't allow its personalities on WFAN, which Francesa said he understands. "But no way a team should ever agree to something like this,'' he said. The Jets loosened the policy after last season's playoffs, making some players available to WFAN on a limited basis, plus Ryan once in the offseason and once in November. After the Jets assured the station in the fall they had not blackballed Francesa - "There is not a ban against Mike Francesa's show," Speight reasserted Monday - WFAN operations manager Mark Chernoff offered Ryan to Francesa. "I said, 'Absolutely not. Put him on midday,' '' Francesa said. Since then, Jets players have appeared on other WFAN shows, but Speight said Francesa has not requested one all season. Francesa confirmed that. Francesa said he does not like being told whom he can interview and when. "I said, 'You can take your guests; I have no interest in them.' '' The strains have affected his once-close relationship with general manager Mike Tannenbaum. "The guy I saw on 'Hard Knocks,' I don't even know who that Mike was, to be honest with you,'' Francesa said. "I didn't know who that buffoon was.'' The Jets are the talk of the town, but the talk comes with a sharp edge to it on WFAN each afternoon. "They can say what they want, but they agreed with the plea of their rights-holder to see if they could help them and hopefully injure me,'' Francesa said. "I've never heard of a team doing that. What team would do that to the biggest sports show in town?'' Sound bites

soupcan Jan 11 2011 02:52 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Say it with me...'a s s h o l e'.

Fman99 Jan 11 2011 03:53 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Little girls murdered in AZ and Francesa lives on. There's no justice in the world.

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2011 03:59 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Where's that piece from?

metirish Jan 11 2011 04:05 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Sorry, thought I linked it.....Neil Best at Newsday. His flippant put him on midday when offered Ryan is so Francesca, arrogance personified.

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2011 04:46 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

Lots of these talk show guys take a certain amount of pride in making it known that one of the teams or head-honchos in town that they cover doesn't like them. Dropping names by saying that '_____ won't even come on MY show' is a great way to imply that you're too tough or critical for his/their liking without actually saying it in so many words. Francesa is hardly the only one who does it, just, as usual, the biggest and loudest. Benigno does it a lot too as if doing so allows him to retain his "cred" with the bar-stool type fans even despite his overt fandom for all his teams. 'I'm a fan of the Jets', he'll say, 'but they're not a fan of me'

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2011 09:32 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

If the Jets don't mind their step pissing off Francesa, he won't be accommodating once "Miked Up" is outdrawing live Jets games in the ratings.

Edgy DC Jan 13 2011 07:33 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

So, LT pleads guilty. Can we get Francesa as an accessory after the fact?

Frayed Knot Jan 13 2011 07:41 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

My mind is a little hazy on this, but didn't MF say something about how he knew for a fact that there was no sex involved?

Ceetar Jan 13 2011 07:49 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I turned on the radio for my usual 20-25 minute drive after work. Francesa was freaking out because a bakery sent him green and white "black and white" cookies and he seemed worried they were poisoned. That took up a good portion of that time so I flipped to Michael Kay who was almost verbatim repeating the same boring Cromartie "Gonna piss off the Patriots and make them work harder" story he was going on about on Wednesday. If they didn't mention that Don had to go to the Ranger game, I might've thought they'd just literally taken the day off and replayed Wednesdays show.

MFS62 Jan 17 2011 08:48 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

I can't wait (well, maybe that's a bit sarcastic) to hear the opening of Mike's show today. He'll open by saying "Some of you will say that I've been rooting against the Jets. That's not true. I have been ............ (my bullshit meter is pegged and my radio explodes)". Later EDIT: RATS! Devils hockey matinee today. He probably won't be on until tomorrow.

HahnSolo Jan 17 2011 01:29 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

He's due on after the Devils.

Ceetar Jan 17 2011 01:30 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

HahnSolo wrote: He's due on after the Devils. Expect him to break down the Devils first.

soupcan Jan 21 2011 11:12 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Francesa?

More! More! More! Today's entire article here Phil Mushnick wrote: Living out his big Green Fran-tasy Mike Francesa's sustained rancor toward the Jets has little to do with the Jets and a lot to do with Mike Francesa. This is a fellow who referred to the team's late owner, Leon Hess, as "a senile old fool" -- until 1997, when Hess hired Francesa's semi-imaginary pal, Bill Parcells, as Jets coach and general manager. At that point, Francesa used this column (and this sucker columnist) to issue his "Kinder, gentler me" proclamation, while he flipped to respectfully refer to Leon Hess as "Mr. Hess." Slightly delusional, Francesa began to fancy himself the Jets general manager -- or GM in waiting -- even parading about in a Jets team jacket. While I didn't notice whether "Staff" was embroidered on the front, so much for those stern, on-air lectures about fundamental journalism he delivers to the serfs at WFAN. With Parcells' departure, Francesa's unrequited desire to run the team was spoiled, and it was back to knocking the Jets, especially when the team demonstrated colossal gall by not sucking up to him. Still, he has not offered his official resignation as Jets GM. To that end, his door remains open. "Francesa's semi-imaginary pal" - Love it!

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2011 10:10 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Mushnick this morning: Reader Steve Sherman of Secaucus was thinking about inviting Mike Francesa to Passover Seder, but then he figured that when they reached the Four Questions, Francesa would ask the same one four times.

HahnSolo Apr 15 2011 01:25 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Mushnick this morning: Reader Steve Sherman of Secaucus was thinking about inviting Mike Francesa to Passover Seder, but then he figured that when they reached the Four Questions, Francesa would ask the same one four times. Now that is funny.

MFS62 Apr 15 2011 08:25 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

He really went off on the Mets today. He said he watched both games yesterday. I really can't disagree with most of the things he pointed out that were going wrong with the team. But it was just the way he said them - with an "I told you so" smirk. And then he always complains that the callers think he's anti-Met. Gasbag. Later

Edgy DC Apr 15 2011 09:21 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

When somebody is losing, nobody needs an analyst to say they're not playing well.

soupcan Apr 16 2011 08:23 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Edgy DC wrote: When somebody is losing, nobody needs an analyst to say they're not playing well. Exactly, and he's the worst kind of 'analyst' to do that because of what MFS said - the goddamned 'I told you so' attitude.

G-Fafif Apr 18 2011 04:10 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

I'm telling ya, folks, this night's not that different from all the rest. It's not. They ask what makes this night different, but it's basically the same night. It's the same night. They can ask, but it's the basically the same night. 'What makes this night different...?' It's not different. It's the same. It's the same basic night. It's not different. This night is not that different from all other nights. Are there differences? There might be some small differences. Some very small differences. But it's basically the same night you've been getting your whole life, so if they wanna say this night is different from all other nights, technically, they're entitled to, but it's really not. I can tell you that. It's a fact. It's not that different. This night is basically the same night as all other nights. Four-forty, here's Mink.

MFS62 Apr 18 2011 04:45 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Very well done. And don't forget to add five style points for posting it as a quote. Later

Edgy DC Apr 18 2011 05:01 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Mushnick would read that and say, "I'm not needed anymore."

Ceetar Apr 21 2011 09:35 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

I'm curious if the Terry Collins interview makes it the entire season. Francessa was nasty yesterday and it felt like Collins wanted to punch him a couple of times. Especially when he goes into one of his non-question rants "so that situation was just tough I mean you have to win games and things.. right?"

Frayed Knot May 13 2011 07:23 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Mushnick mentions in this morning's column that we don’t want to miss Francesa's show today. - First, he says, Mike is going to replay the tape where he ridiculed a caller for suggesting that the Mavericks had a decent chance to beat the Lakers. Then, because the Mavs swept the Lakers, he’s going to apologize to that caller. - And then he’s going to issue millions of dollars in tax rebates to Connecticut residents after authoritatively stating on Wednesday's show that Connecticut, which instituted a state income tax 20 years ago, has no state income tax.

Edgy DC May 13 2011 07:38 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Sounds more like billions. So how is Lupica doing now that he's back on the air? He's a smug jerk too, but he can't help but sound like an improvement over Francesa.

metirish May 13 2011 08:08 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Edgy DC wrote: Sounds more like billions. So how is Lupica doing now that he's back on the air? He's a smug jerk too, but he can't help but sound like an improvement over Francesa. still an asshole apparently http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/05/s ... upica.html

soupcan May 13 2011 08:30 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Mushnick mentions in this morning's column that we don’t want to miss Francesa's show today. - First, he says, Mike is going to replay the tape where he ridiculed a caller for suggesting that the Mavericks had a decent chance to beat the Lakers. Then, because the Mavs swept the Lakers, he’s going to apologize to that caller. - And then he’s going to issue millions of dollars in tax rebates to Connecticut residents after authoritatively stating on Wednesday's show that Connecticut, which instituted a state income tax 20 years ago, has no state income tax. Saw that - very funny. Mushnick also had this in his May 6th column: Hard to ignore this boorish, bombastic blowhard Help me out here. What would you do? You're assigned to write your point of view about sports TV and radio for a New York daily. The radio and TV guy in town who regards himself the biggest big shot, an expert on everything, is a self-smitten, dishonest, rude, name-dropping braggart who mistreats callers and co-workers while he authoritatively and pompously gets everything wrong. Within seconds of tuning in, he'll be heard pretending, and in the most self-impressed terms and tones, to know something and/or someone you couldn't possibly know because he's the ultimate insider/big shot -- and you're only you. So how would you handle this? Write it every time he shows himself to be full of it? But that's every day, 10 times per day! Write it once in a while, giving him a pass on most of his nonsense? Write it only when he goes way over the line? But he's so full of it so often, where does one draw that line? Or would you ignore him? But given your job description, could you, should you? What would you have done with this? Wednesday on Mike Francesa's WFAN/YES simulcast, a riff about Osama bin Laden's last home address -- remember, there's nothing Francesa doesn't know -- led to his claim that a 3,500 square-foot house is the average size of a local home. When a caller, "Chris in Jersey," tried to tell him that he's way off -- that 3,500 square feet is far from average -- Francesa dismissed him as a know-nothing, angrily shouting over him. Naturally. In Francesa's regal world, 3,500 square is a shed, but in the real one that's roughly four bedrooms, 2½ bathrooms, dining room, living room, kitchen with eating area and den. The other time I heard Francesa this week, he was interrupting a caller -- never allowed him to make his point -- to lecture about Ponzi schemes as per the Madoff/Wilpon affair. Francesa, however, again provided evidence that he has no clue about this case or Ponzi schemes. He seems to think that Madoff paid the Mets' owners millions from investment-money profits, when it's far more likely that Madoff paid them with other clients' investment money. Until it ran out. It all kinda made me miss Chris Russo, for years the "Gilligan" to Francesa's "Skipper." After the 9/11 attacks, Russo asserted, "It's gonna take one, maybe two years to get bin Laden." Francesa, also a foreign-affairs expert, agreed. Given my job, what am I supposed to do? Forget that? Or just ignore it? Read more: [url]http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/no_horse_sense_9JaZeLNEd5LsBMrJ5wcW8M#ixzz1MF7uJJm2

Edgy DC May 13 2011 09:07 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

After a while, I would start to do some digging into the enablers, the long-time listeners, the radio station, the sycophants. Present them with the shining evidence of how Francesa makes everyone stupider and spreads the sportsfan culture that the most obnoxious is always right. (Was it always that way? I don't recall it always being that way.) Ask them why they prop this clown up. Don't they think we can do better, even by accident?

Ceetar May 13 2011 09:18 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Edgy DC wrote: After a while, I would start to do some digging into the enablers, the long-time listeners, the radio station, the sycophants. Present them with the shining evidence of how Francesa makes everyone stupider and spreads the sportsfan culture that the most obnoxious is always right. (Was it always that way? I don't recall it always being that way.) Ask them why they prop this clown up. Don't they think we can do better, even by accident? Francessa won't be on today, but maybe that was Mushnicks point? This is radio today though. It needs a workover but they don't realize it. Much the same way newspapers don't realize it. They do have access to numbers. they know what the ratings are today versus yesterday when Joe and Evan are on instead. They supposedly don't pay very well, but they must realize they could pay just about anyone out of school minimum salaries and get roughly the same ratings right? Or is it not about ratings? Does KARS 4 KIDS pay them more because it's Francessa and a 'name' versus some schmo? Or are they just spending all their money to guys like Heyman to read MLB Trade Rumors to Francessa on the air?

Edgy DC May 13 2011 09:22 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

it seems to me you can get perfectly sound name recognition by throwing some ex-jock backslapper like Joe Flaherty next to a tabloid reporter like Rubin and you're in bidness.

Ceetar May 13 2011 09:26 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Edgy DC wrote: it seems to me you can get perfectly sound name recognition by throwing some ex-jock backslapper like Joe Flaherty next to a tabloid reporter like Rubin and you're in bidness. So the YES broadcast team you mean? you would think that right? Maybe I'm just in the minority. I didn't love Tierney and Jody Macdonald but I thought they were decent. the guys they replaced them with seem worthless. (or are they national guys versus a local show? The national stuff is rarely worth a listen. Mike and Mike in the morning is incredibly boring to me)

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 13 2011 09:54 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

You might never kill Francessa, but I think a nimble competitor could take a bite out of him because he (and almost all the entire sportsradio format IMO) tries to cover way too much ground. It fosters the kind of sloppy thought and opinion that rules the air. I don't think I'm all that unusual in that I don't give a rat's ass about hockey, boxing, racing, college football etc but offer me all day relevant discussion on the Mets and baseball and I'd probably give it a listen. I guess the question is whether you can get by with narrowly focused, niche-y radio today, but obviously this kind of subdivision happened with music radio long ago. If sports were music (and I know it's not), Francessa's show would be playing classical, rock, dance, hispanic songs, back to back.

metsmarathon May 13 2011 10:20 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

i had tuned in during the 3500 average home square footage discussion. the best part was, after their research determined that the real number was at about 2600 square foot (and i'm still a little unsure if that's new construction or nationwide average of all existing single family residences - most likely the latter, as older suburban houses trend way smaller), he played it off like, "oh well, i'm only off by 850 square foot. that's not much. ergo i was mostly right, and whatever points i was making in relation to this fact still must stand." yeah, mike, you were only over by 33%. that's hardly a thing. it's like, an extra closet, and maybe a powder room's worth of difference. no biggie. i felt bad exposing minimm to the dumbth that came through the airwaves that day, and was glad to have refrained from shouting exacerbated profanities.

Ceetar May 13 2011 10:28 AM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

metsmarathon wrote: i had tuned in during the 3500 average home square footage discussion. the best part was, after their research determined that the real number was at about 2600 square foot (and i'm still a little unsure if that's new construction or nationwide average of all existing single family residences - most likely the latter, as older suburban houses trend way smaller), he played it off like, "oh well, i'm only off by 850 square foot. that's not much. ergo i was mostly right, and whatever points i was making in relation to this fact still must stand." yeah, mike, you were only over by 33%. that's hardly a thing. it's like, an extra closet, and maybe a powder room's worth of difference. no biggie. i felt bad exposing minimm to the dumbth that came through the airwaves that day, and was glad to have refrained from shouting exacerbated profanities. I live in an apartment roughly 850sq feet. And I imagine a large section of his listeners live in apartments in and about the city as well. If i had to pick one thing that Francessa is completely off about, it'd be money. Whether that applies to rent or travel or ticket prices and whats affordable/secondary market and that kind of thing.

HahnSolo May 13 2011 12:31 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

850sq feet is Mike's pantry. - Too easy obligatory Mike is fat joke

metirish May 13 2011 12:37 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: You might never kill Francessa, but I think a nimble competitor could take a bite out of him because he (and almost all the entire sportsradio format IMO) tries to cover way too much ground. It fosters the kind of sloppy thought and opinion that rules the air. I don't think I'm all that unusual in that I don't give a rat's ass about hockey, boxing, racing, college football etc but offer me all day relevant discussion on the Mets and baseball and I'd probably give it a listen. I guess the question is whether you can get by with narrowly focused, niche-y radio today, but obviously this kind of subdivision happened with music radio long ago. If sports were music (and I know it's not), Francessa's show would be playing classical, rock, dance, hispanic songs, back to back. I'm with this but then I'd miss Mike dissing the NHL and then taking a call from Gary Bettman and telling him how to run his league , or acting like such a horse expert/person when Saratoga comes around, used to be more fun when Russo was with him. Does he still do the TV ratings for various shows?, used to love that, he is beyond arrogant.

Benjamin Grimm May 13 2011 12:53 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

I don't see how anyone listens to him.

Ceetar May 13 2011 12:56 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't see how anyone listens to him. There's going to be an epic argument between him and Collins one of these weeks, if the Mets have a losing streak anyway. It almost got there a couple of weeks ago and that was April.

Benjamin Grimm May 13 2011 12:58 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

I also don't know why anyone talks to him.

Frayed Knot May 13 2011 02:01 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I also don't know why anyone talks to him. In Collins's case, for money. Does he still do the TV ratings for various shows?, used to love that, he is beyond arrogant. That schtick died with Russo's departure. It all began because Russo, being a true child of the sports-TV age, was obsessed with TV ratings and with all related periphery (like which announcing team was assigned to which game, etc). Now match that obsession with Mike, who not only got his start in TV but, as he does with so many subjects, prided himself on being able to assess all the factors involved; like teams playing, time of day, weather, competing shows, etc., and determine the audience each would draw. That's why it was always a one-way quiz: Chris would do the asking because he always ran first thing Mondays to get the info, and Mike would answer as proof that he could divine the correct rating.

G-Fafif May 13 2011 04:36 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

In the post-Bin Laden "where were you?" conversation that inevitably developed regarding 9/11, Francesa talked about being in second grade when JFK was assassinated. Someone called in and said hey Mike, you seem to be taking a couple of years off your age -- you and I are the same age and I was in fourth grade. After protesting that he was in second grade, Mike started counting his fingers and toes: '60-'61, I was in first grade; '61-'62, I was in second grade; '62-'63, I was in third grade...I was in third grade. Only if he was left back, given that November 22, 1963, fell squarely in the '63-'64 school year. So yes, his memory was infallible about this (which was his point), and he got it wrong twice.

Frayed Knot May 13 2011 08:54 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

A quick check of Wikipedia puts young Mikey at just short of 10 years old at the time of the JFK assassination - so he better hope he wasn't still in 2nd grade. btw, one of the topics on which Francesa is a self-declared authority ... that's right, John Fitzgerald Kennedy. On the topic of 9/11, he was on the air that afternoon (starting just after noon IIRC) and took very little time in authoritatively declaring that there was no doubt that the Pennsylvania plane was brought down by the government once the hi-jacking was discovered and it was only a matter of time until the truth about what he already knew would become public knowledge.

Edgy DC May 14 2011 12:34 PM Re: Have I mentioned how much I love Mushnick and hate Franc

See, I thought it was the Pentagon plane the government brought down. That was before I realized it didn't exist at all!