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Red Sox win Crawford?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2010 09:40 PM

7 year, $142 M deal, acccording to SGOTI (some guy on the internet) Source: The Red Sox have a seven-year, $142 million deal done with Carl Crawford. 10 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone Retweeted by 100+ people PeteAbe Pete Abraham

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2010 09:43 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Is Crawford a $20 million hitter? Say goodbye to Jose Jose.

Ceetar Dec 08 2010 09:44 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Is Crawford a $20 million hitter? Say goodbye to Jose Jose. I hope he does $20 million of damage to the Yankees. or something. please extend Jose soon.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2010 09:47 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

MFYs will almost certainly counter with Lee, you'd think. Reyes is a goner I think.

Ceetar Dec 08 2010 09:51 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MFYs will almost certainly counter with Lee, you'd think. Reyes is a goner I think. They'll try anyway. Still not sure if I'd rather they get stuck with him sucking for 6+ years, or them not get him, Brett Pettitte really retire, and they're begging us for Oliver Perez.

MFS62 Dec 08 2010 09:58 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I guessin' this stops the Beltran to the Sox rumors. Later

batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2010 10:09 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Reyes is a goner I think. I'm not sure I follow. Are you sayin' that the Mets can't afford to spend $20M for a ballplayer? Or that the Red Sox are significantly wealthier than the Mets? Or something else?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2010 10:13 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I'm saying Reyes looks for "Crawford money" in his next deal and the new sensible Mets don't cough it up.

Valadius Dec 08 2010 10:16 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

He's not stupid. He knows he has to get back to 60+ steals to be worth it.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2010 10:17 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm saying Reyes looks for "Crawford money" in his next deal and the new sensible Mets don't cough it up. How would you feel about that? It's too early to tell, but what if Reyes returns to top-form in 2011?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2010 10:22 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I think he's very good but prolly not a top-tier salary deservin kind of guy, and I don't think he's reliable. He's no Rickey Henderson.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2010 10:27 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think he's very good but prolly not a top-tier salary deservin kind of guy, and I don't think he's reliable. He's no Rickey Henderson. Yeah. Whaddya think Rickey would command in salary today, if he were in his prime?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 08 2010 10:32 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

In-his-prime Rickey is worth about this much, I think. Though you can't really play him in center for best results either. But, yeesh... Ye. Gods.

DocTee Dec 08 2010 10:45 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I guessin' this stops the Beltran to the Sox rumors. But starts the Beltran to MFY ones. 20M? sheesh.

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 05:48 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

So now a corner OF (even though a very good one) who never hit 20 HRs and sports a mediocre OBA (.337 career - peaked at .354) is now hauling in $20mil+/yr ? Nice player - and at least he's at a good age for the signing* - but geez!! * although so was Beltran

Valadius Dec 09 2010 06:01 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Ugh. The Red Sox lost all their underdog points with me when they won the 2007 World Series.

metirish Dec 09 2010 06:36 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

So now a corner OF (even though a very good one) who never hit 20 HRs and sports a mediocre OBA (.337 career - peaked at .354) is now hauling in $20mil+/yr ? Nice player - and at least he's at a good age for the signing* - but geez!! * although so was Beltran WOW, without looking I would have thought Crawford had some monster type years...... http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ca02.shtml fucks sake like....nice player but not that nice

Ceetar Dec 09 2010 06:45 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Wonder what Angel Pagan gets if he puts up similar or slightly better (more RBI/Runs due to a better team) the next two years.

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 06:52 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Just a thought: If this was the deal Boston DID give Crawford, what kind of numbers were they hung up on that prevented them from reaching an agreement with Gonzalez? One report had it more over years (six vs eight) than money - but, aside from speed, AG is a much better offensive player and they're the same age.

metirish Dec 09 2010 06:57 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Another thought might be that the shenanigans with AG has allowed them to give Crawford this deal and AG will get a similar one next season. Crawford doesn't know it yet but his off seasons will now be spent playing for Liverpool.

attgig Dec 09 2010 07:01 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

metirish wrote: WOW, without looking I would have thought Crawford had some monster type years...... http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ca02.shtml right there with you... not the prototypical 20 mil a year type of guy... but I guess Werth upped the market? That makes me wonder, was Werth more desirable than Crawford?

attgig Dec 09 2010 07:02 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Ceetar wrote: Wonder what Angel Pagan gets if he puts up similar or slightly better (more RBI/Runs due to a better team) the next two years. He needs to up his steals like crazy to compare himself to Crawford. But, if beltran gets traded, and Pagan mans CF with great defense, that might do it too.

Ceetar Dec 09 2010 07:14 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

attgig wrote: Ceetar wrote: Wonder what Angel Pagan gets if he puts up similar or slightly better (more RBI/Runs due to a better team) the next two years. He needs to up his steals like crazy to compare himself to Crawford. But, if beltran gets traded, and Pagan mans CF with great defense, that might do it too. Obviously he's got some improving to do, but not even that much. he did produce more WAR than Crawford last year even. Lots of long contracts going out. Makes you wonder. Conspiracy theory wise (It's the offseason, let's conspire away), Could owners sense that a salary cap may be emminent and are either looking to prolong the date that it could happen (after the last expiring contract?) or maybe try to preempt a competitive advantage by having guys grandfathered in?

Edgy DC Dec 09 2010 07:23 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

There ain't gonna be no salary cap.

Ashie62 Dec 09 2010 07:53 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Well, I guess Anaheim or the MFY's are the next to belly up. Reyes is not necessarily a goner. After the Mets win the WS in 2011 and Reyes goes apeshit maybe he gets paid. If its "Hammy" Reyes shows up in 2011 then maybe the Mets can do better at SS.

MFS62 Dec 09 2010 08:54 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Back to Crawford. I remember reading in his fifth year that he had a chance to become the first player in major league history to improve in BA, HR and RBI in each of his first five years. He just missed (RBI in his fifth year). Since then, his power has leveled off and he is predominantly a player who has speed as his biggest asset. The legs can either be good for a long time (Rickey Henderson) or start to decline earlier (Luis Castillo). There aren't too many Rickeys around. Of course, he won't have as much ground to cover in Fenway Park, saving his legs a bit. But once that speed starts to go, and he has nothing else to provide, those Boston fans may begin to get real nasty. Later

seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 08:59 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Nine years, $165 million for Reyes. Make it happen, Sandy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2010 09:01 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

seawolf17 wrote: Nine years, $165 million for Reyes. Make it happen, Sandy. Loco.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 09 2010 09:04 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

DocTee wrote: 20M? sheesh. Makes me wonder just how much money the richest teams are actually earning. The Red Sox are a smart organization.

attgig Dec 09 2010 09:19 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I would think 5 years at anual jeter money could sway reyes... he's what, 28? gets him through 33. and if he keeps himself healthy, could set him up for a final contract till 40....

Edgy DC Dec 09 2010 09:20 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic.

metirish Dec 09 2010 09:24 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Edgy DC wrote: Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic. Or totally falling asunder . No way Alderson goes beyond five years on any player, at least that's what I think form listening to him.

seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 09:27 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic. Or totally falling asunder . No way Alderson goes beyond five years on any player, at least that's what I think form listening to him. Fine. Five years, $110 million.

Edgy DC Dec 09 2010 09:31 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Well, part of what I'm driving at is that --- if Crawford is really a relevant comp --- Alderson has some time to chew on it. I remember feeling all mopey when Jeter signed his (insane) ten-year deal, wondering how the Mets could possibly afford Edgardo Alfonzo. Two years later, Alfonzo's contract was up and Steve Phillips came in low. Wisely or not, it was the correct move.

Ceetar Dec 09 2010 09:37 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

attgig wrote: I would think 5 years at anual jeter money could sway reyes... he's what, 28? gets him through 33. and if he keeps himself healthy, could set him up for a final contract till 40.... I think he might sign for less money a year than that this Spring. Before other teams can call him and tell him how much they think he's worth.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2010 09:46 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

seawolf17 wrote: metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Markets have a wy of correcting themselves if you're not the first one in and you don't panic. Or totally falling asunder . No way Alderson goes beyond five years on any player, at least that's what I think form listening to him. Fine. Five years, $110 million. Loco

A Boy Named Seo Dec 09 2010 09:49 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

metirish wrote: Another thought might be that the shenanigans with AG has allowed them to give Crawford this deal and AG will get a similar one next season. Crawford doesn't know it yet but his off seasons will now be spent playing for Liverpool. Funny.

Edgy DC Dec 09 2010 09:51 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract.

duan Dec 09 2010 10:06 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Edgy DC wrote: Well, part of what I'm driving at is that --- if Crawford is really a relevant comp --- Alderson has some time to chew on it. I remember feeling all mopey when Jeter signed his (insane) ten-year deal, wondering how the Mets could possibly afford Edgardo Alfonzo. Two years later, Alfonzo's contract was up and Steve Phillips came in low. Wisely or not, it was the correct move. that's the bit where I realised that people who you think know nothing still sometimes know more then you.

seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 10:17 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Edgy DC wrote: I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract. Well, we don't "know" anything. I say identical five year, $110 million contracts for each of them.

metirish Dec 09 2010 10:20 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract. Well, we don't "know" anything. I say identical five year, $110 million contracts for each of them. Pretty white boy gets more.....

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 01:31 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

The one good thing about Crawford going to the Sox is that he was supposedly the back-up plan for the Yanx if they fail to land Lee. The idea is that they'd sign Crawford and then package Brett Gardner up with C/DH Jesus Montero or maybe one of their other minor league catchers and go trolling for pitchers through the trade route: Grienke, Garza, etc.

smg58 Dec 09 2010 07:02 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Fangraphs has Reyes' performance over the past two season as being worth $15M total. Yeah, he lost time to injury, but he's done so in the past as well, and do you really want to bank that much on injury history not repeating?

metirish Dec 09 2010 07:39 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Frayed Knot wrote: The one good thing about Crawford going to the Sox is that he was supposedly the back-up plan for the Yanx if they fail to land Lee. The idea is that they'd sign Crawford and then package Brett Gardner up with C/DH Jesus Montero or maybe one of their other minor league catchers and go trolling for pitchers through the trade route: Grienke, Garza, etc. Of course now they are trying to sell the idea that " they were never really in for him anyway"....

Edgy DC Dec 09 2010 08:03 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I mean, we know David Wright is worth 15-20% more than Reyes... keep in mind that the Reyes precedent is going to inform the Wright contract. Well, we don't "know" anything. I say identical five year, $110 million contracts for each of them. Sure we do. By every reasonable measure, Wright has outplayed and outhealthed Reyes all along, and he's worth more than his teammate. He knows it and his agents sure know it.

Ashie62 Dec 10 2010 12:25 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

smg58 wrote: Fangraphs has Reyes' performance over the past two season as being worth $15M total. Yeah, he lost time to injury, but he's done so in the past as well, and do you really want to bank that much on injury history not repeating? What happens if the Mets sign Reyes for 5 years at a big number and Jose goes down? Thats a big Matzoh ball hanging out.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2010 04:46 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

I didn't know Jose Reyes was Jewish! Oh, and any multi-year contract carries a risk of injury. Maybe Jose is more of a risk than some others, but overall, he's been on the field a lot more than he's been off.

Vic Sage Dec 10 2010 08:07 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I didn't know Jose Reyes was Jewish! Oh, and any multi-year contract carries a risk of injury. Maybe Jose is more of a risk than some others, but overall, he's been on the field a lot more than he's been off. "maybe"? and "on the field alot more than off"? Is that really the criteria?

86-Dreamer Dec 10 2010 10:27 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Coco Crisp was younger than Carl Crawford when he arrived at Fenway, and played a fine centerfield if I recall correctly. Carl may work out better than Coco, but I would not bet that much money on it.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2010 09:37 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Another thought might be that the shenanigans with AG has allowed them to give Crawford this deal and AG will get a similar one next season. Crawford doesn't know it yet but his off seasons will now be spent playing for Liverpool. Funny. From the tweets: pgammo Peter Gammons Carl Crawford wanted to wear a red tie to his presser . COO Sam Kennedy gave him a Liverpool FC tie, thus merging MLB and Premier League

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2010 10:03 AM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Funny. If they grab Upton in a couple of years, he'll be excited about wearing a Liverpool tie... or, actually, maybe not at all: TheRealBJUpton You guys know I am a huge soccer fan so please support the Didier Drogba Foundation - Please follow @FondationDrogba About 10 days ago A fellow Blue-Loving Douchebag?

bmfc1 Dec 11 2010 04:14 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

Tom Boswell says the the Red Sox got the a leftover when they signed Crawford instead of Werth: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06172.html Frankly, it came across as if it was written by an Nationals fan. Werth isn't close to the player that Crawford is.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2010 05:00 PM Re: Red Sox win Crawford?

It's more like he's trying to claim that Crawford is simply a bad fit for Fenway, something the (selected) stats seem to bear out. I tend to not like to over-rely on those situational stats although, for an in-division player with most of nine seasons in the bigs and over 300 ABs in Boston, the sample size is decently large to where there probably is at least some truth to it particularly since the 'vs BoSox' stats are very different in Boston as opposed to in St Pete.