Oct 23 2011 07:34 PM
Re: Rule 5 Draft
Oh, and since he was on the 25-man roster all year, he got a major league salary. Nice.
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Rule 5 Draft
| bmfc1 Dec 09 2010 06:37 AM |
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Will the Mets draft a player and then immediately trade him (like last year)? Will the Mets draft a player and then give him away because of inept roster management (Darren O'Day)? Met property Edwin Ramirez is supposed to be the first player taken in the draft: http://www.metsblog.com/2010/12/08/rubi ... e-v-draft/
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| G-Fafif Dec 09 2010 06:41 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I can't believe I slept through the Rule 9 draft at 5 AM.
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| Ceetar Dec 09 2010 06:47 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Last year they snatched a player away from the Phillies and traded him to the dodgers, which must have been some sort of backdoor deal with the Dodgers, but I'm not sure what the other end of it was. I thought it was just poor decision making on O'Day? because he came out sucking? edit- Wasn't O'Day that was sucking. I'm confusing him with that other guy..the free agent they signed, pitched like three innings, gave up a game winning homer and then got injured..
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| bmfc1 Dec 09 2010 06:57 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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The way I remember it, O'Day was cut because Omar didn't want to put Pelfrey on the DL. As it turned out, he could have been put on the DL, only missed one start (because of the timing) and then they could have kept O'Day. Of course, it worked out for O'Day as he ended up pitching in the WS.
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| Ceetar Dec 09 2010 07:02 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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So what's the likely thinking here with the Ramirez guy? He just doesn't really have what it takes, in the Mets eyes? They'd rather take a gamble on other guys Rule 5's? Or they're going to sign enough guys to fill those 40 man slots?
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| bmfc1 Dec 09 2010 07:08 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 09 2010 07:13 AM |
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Brad Emaus, 2B/3B. 25. Toronto thought enough of him to send him to the AFL in '09.
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| metirish Dec 09 2010 07:12 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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This from a Rubin tweet Rubin and others reporting that the mets "may very well lose RHP Elvin Ramirez in Rule 5 draft. No control , but hitting 97 mph in DR with scouts watching". You'd like to keep a guy like that right?, how does this work again, the Mets expose X amount of players that can be taken by other teams?
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| bmfc1 Dec 09 2010 07:16 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Pedro Beato, P, 24:
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| Ceetar Dec 09 2010 07:17 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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They'd have to add him to the 40 man to have protected him, which means, I guess, that they'd have to think he was ready this year or he's just wasting a spot.
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| Ceetar Dec 09 2010 07:19 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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good article on him by Joe Janish: [url]http://www.metstoday.com/5899/10-11-offseason/mets-could-get-beato-back/
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| bmfc1 Dec 09 2010 07:21 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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They have to keep these guys in the majors all year or offer them back them back to their prior organization. Perhaps Emaus can stick as the back-up MI (unless Luis Hernandez or someone else stands out) and Beato can stay in the bullpen (16 saves last year for Bowie).
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| Ceetar Dec 09 2010 07:22 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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they offered 750, slot was 800, he wanted a million. http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/ny_ ... ss__b.html
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2010 07:24 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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A middle infielder who was at AAA last year seems to have a reasonable chance at staying in the big leagues for a full season with the Mets.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2010 07:27 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Is there a difference between "Pass" and "No pick"?
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| The Second Spitter Dec 09 2010 07:32 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Given his high walk rate in the low minors, I'm apprehensive whether he could stick around on a MLB 25 man roster, even if its the Nats roster.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2010 07:33 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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So the Nats took our flamethrower.
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| The Second Spitter Dec 09 2010 07:42 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Career whip in the minors 1.4something - He'll be back in the org at the end of ST.
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| Edgy MD Dec 09 2010 07:44 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Outside of height, weight, birthday, and stats, I can't find one fact about Bradley Emaus.
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| Valadius Dec 09 2010 07:45 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Might as well merge this thread with this one.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2010 07:47 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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He definitely doesn't live up to his nickname, Bradley "Famous" Emaus. Wikipedia reports Pedro "Neato" Beato enters to "Mr. Roboto" by Styx.
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| G-Fafif Dec 09 2010 07:49 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Thinking Beato rhymes with Roboto more than Neato.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2010 07:55 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Yeah, I'm thinking it's "Bee AAH Toe"
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| MFS62 Dec 09 2010 07:57 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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The guy who watches the minors for "Inside Pitch" (subscription site) says that velocity comes as news to him. He says the guy's fastball tops out around 94. Later
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2010 08:00 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I'm not sure I got Emaus pronounced right either.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 09 2010 08:02 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I was always curious about this: How is Joe Grzenda pronounced? Is the Z silent? (Grenda?)
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| smg58 Dec 09 2010 08:26 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Parnell also had options.
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| smg58 Dec 09 2010 08:37 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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The PCL is considered a hitters' league, but Emaus posted a .298/.395/.495 line at Vegas with an even 50/50 BB/K ratio in 309 ABs. And he'll turn 25 in March. I have no idea what his glove at 2B is like (did he play so much at third last year simply because Aaron Hill was blocking him?), but I'd give him an excellent shot at sticking around.
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| seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 08:50 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I'd think "No Pick" means their 40 is full and therefore can't pick. Ceetar, you're thinking of Matt Wise. I thought I remembered Beato being a Met at one point. It's possible they'll both stick; worth a shot, I guess.
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| Edgy MD Dec 09 2010 08:58 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Took two more in the AAA phase
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| RealityChuck Dec 09 2010 09:08 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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It was Gruh-ZEND-a. The "r" was used as a vowel (like in "Vrooman," a Dutch name).
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| seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 10:14 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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His dad, Mick, has a much more pronounceable name.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 10:21 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I always thought it was BEE-Toe but now I don't know whether I heard that or was merely assuming it. Either way, he was drafted by the Mets when 'Draft and Follow' was still in place, a deal where you could draft a HS kid and watch him for a year at a non-4-yr college and then sign him at anytime up to within a week of the next year's draft - something the new Aug 15th deadline makes obsolete. So, after going in something like the 17th round spending a year at St Petersburg College in Florida, the Mets liked him well enough to offer him 2nd round money. Problem was, he wanted 1st round money and so a signing which everyone expected to take place (hometown kid and all) didn't. This may have been an example where league pressure kept the Mets from offering more or maybe they just didn't like him at a million+ dollars. IIRC, he wanted close to $1.5mil while the Mets were offering 750K and neither side would budge enough so he wound up re-entering the draft and was plucked by Baltimore early in the supplemental round (pick #32) and signed about mid-way between those two figures.
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| seawolf17 Dec 09 2010 10:43 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Beato was born 10/27/86, the same day as Jon Niese and, of course, 44 days before the Kevin McReynolds/Kevin Mitchell trade.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 09 2010 10:49 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Thanks. So it's three syllables for the one-time Met. I knew Grzenda from my baseball cards and from the first Strat-O-Matic set I ever played (1971 season). Grzenda's '71 campaign with the old Senators was his career best season. He was one of the AL's premiere relievers (70.1 IP) that year and was drafted in any 1971 SOM All-Star league I was ever involved in (unless we played NL only). But because I rarely if ever, watched Yankee games, I never learned how to pronounce his name.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2010 10:56 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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AA links to some good stuff from BP's Kevin Goldstein on Emaus:
Deeeecent-to-good TotalZone numbers on defense (for what THAT's worth), to boot. So... Eckstein with gap power? And multiple positions, too? Gimme.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 09 2010 11:13 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I like the sound of that guy.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 12:59 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Y'know what that Goldstein report makes him sound like? ... a lower-ceiling-ed though older and therefore closer to MLB-ready Reese Havens.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 01:23 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Goldstein on Beato (14th on BP's Orioles prospect list):
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2010 01:38 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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It's pretty clear that the Mets are looking to fill two roster spots (if it works out) at the minimum price. Eamus can easily provide everything that Alex Cora, for example, did but at a much lower price. And if Beato works out, he'll be quite a bit cheaper than someone like Dessens.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2010 04:02 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Well, yeah, you could frame it that way... except it's probably fairer to say that 2011 is going to be a better-at-valuing-and-properly-rewarding-talent-with-money-and-playing-time year, given the newbies also have the potential to be much, much better than their mates. Hell, one could probably say, "likelihood," given that, say, Dessens' ERA last year seemed to be largely luck-dependent, while Beato comes to the table with better stats, and Eamus has a better bat now than Cora did at ANY point during his career as a professional. (Extending it to the rest of the roster-- Paulino hits lefties better than Barajas did anything.)
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| Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 06:25 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Except that Eamus (from what I've read) is a 3B/2B - and maybe even a corner OF in a pinch - but is decidedly NOT a SS. Say what you will about Cora, and his age, and his price, and the stupidity of his (thankfully avoided) vesting option, but teams need a real SS to back-up and fill-in and most of them are going to hit pretty much the way Alex Cora did. Where I think they're going here is to hope someone from the Eamus/Adams/Turner group can hit well enough to man 2B on at least a semi-regular basis which in turn let them mix in, without having to rely on, Murphy and thus get rid of Castillo before the season ever starts - either via a dump trade or just plain release. A back-up SS might still have to be a separate body.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 09 2010 06:35 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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And finally, prospect guru John Sickels, says about the Rule 5 picks:
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| Edgy MD Dec 09 2010 07:59 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I imagine 85% of the guys have "could" and "stick" in their assessments from Sickels.
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| MFS62 Dec 09 2010 09:44 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Got it. Nicely done. Later
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| Ashie62 Dec 10 2010 09:39 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Are you taling about nostrils?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2010 10:09 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 10 2010 10:45 AM |
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Or part of a three-headed part-time-2B-starter/infield-backup monster: Emaus covers 2B/3B, Murphy covers 2B/1B, and Tejada covers 2B/SS. (In this roster permutation, of course, Castillo covers his head with something other than a Mets cap.) And speaking of Mr. Emaus, he's acquitting himself decently in the Dominican: .257/.347/.459 with 13 BB/17 K, 4 HRs and 13 XBH in 109 ABs. (If not quite as well as his potential platoonmate/competition: Murph's at .320/.395/.515 with more walks than Ks in 103 ABs.)
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| Valadius Dec 10 2010 10:12 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I think we have the makings of another Jeff Francoeur Frequently-Misspelled Player. It's E-M-A-U-S.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2010 10:27 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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This plan requires three backup infielders. Haven't the Mets been going with two backup infielders, two backup outfielders and one backup catcher (12 pitchers, 13 non-pitchers)? Also, and according to Alderson, isn't it unlikely that Tejada starts the 2011 season in the majors?
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| Edgy MD Dec 10 2010 10:30 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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The Projected 2011 Roster Update Thread (Pro-11 RostUp) isn't forecasting Ruben Tejada to make the opening day roster, but rather the sadly overlooked but out out-of-options Luis Hernandez.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2010 10:51 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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DAVIS REYES WRIGHT MURPHY (2B platoon/1B backup) EMAUS (2B platoon/3B backup) TEJADA/HERNANDEZ/TURNER (2B backup/SS backup) 6 infielders. Two backups (which ones are benched depends on who's in at second/taking a blow elsewhere). Same as it ever was. Seems to me pretty prudent to have at least one plus- (or average-to-above-average) defender in the middle-infield mix, hence Tejada. But if they're more comfortable with one of the others that plays short, by all means...
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| Ashie62 Dec 10 2010 11:01 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Where does Luis Castillo end up?
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| Frayed Knot Dec 10 2010 11:19 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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6 infielders. Two backups (which ones are benched depends on who's in at second/taking a blow elsewhere). Same as it ever was. |
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| metirish Dec 11 2010 07:32 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Alderson on his conference call with area bloggers(including our own Greg, our own?,c an I even call you that? :)
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2010 09:48 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Also, our own Ceetar.
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| G-Fafif Dec 11 2010 11:58 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I think we may have to refer to "our own Pedro Beato" based on his excitement over being with his new/destined team. From Adam Rubin:
Alas, he grew up admiring players, not rooting for his new favorite team:
He's right about Clemens being an animal. Animals can't differentiate between broken bats and foul balls either.
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| metirish Dec 12 2010 05:58 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Clemens and Pettitte's work ethic was so good they felt hard work alone wasn't enough.
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| Edgy MD Oct 23 2011 03:17 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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And nearly 11 months, a shoulder surgery, and $25,000 later, the Mets get him back. I suppose they could lose him again this draft.
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| Ceetar Oct 23 2011 07:16 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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if they don't protect him. Since everyone assumes the Mets will only sign like 1 player cause they're completely broke, maybe they'll throw him on there for good measure. but seriously, I'm not sure if anyone would bother taking him now. Coming off surgery and never pitching in the majors, doesn't seem like a good guy to bog down a 25man roster with.
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| Edgy MD Oct 23 2011 07:30 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I'm not betting he'll get claimed or anything, but I wouldn't be shocked.
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| Edgy MD Oct 23 2011 07:34 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Oh, and since he was on the 25-man roster all year, he got a major league salary. Nice.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 23 2011 07:58 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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Yeah, the Nationals folks were pretty high on this guy when they had him.
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| Ceetar Oct 23 2011 09:34 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft |
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I'd bet the Mets ultimately end up protecting him. It's probably the best thing for him as well, so he can work on staying healthy and pitching while still in the minors.
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