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Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

G-Fafif Dec 10 2010 11:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 17 2010 09:08 AM

My latest NY Times Bats piece, on our departing lefty specialist, here.

metirish Dec 10 2010 01:34 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Good article Greg , gotta tell you though I have a hard time viewing him as iconic , maybe it's that I just didn't appreciate him enough ....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2010 01:55 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 10 2010 02:47 PM

As underappreciated, soon-to-be-revered ex-Met? Sure, I'll buy that. As icon? Don't you need a larger-than-life persona, and/or a couple-- or at least one-- of sticks-out-in-the-mind's-eye iconic moments (whether due to performance or context) for that, really? Nice piece, though... even though he's more Zelig than Woody to me.

Edgy DC Dec 10 2010 02:10 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

While the back of Feliciano's baseball card shows continuous Mettage, he can actually be viewed as perhaps the world's only three-time Met, having been acquired during that period by both the Detroit Tigers and the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks, both times returning to the Mets unsullied by an appearance in another MLB uniform.

Ashie62 Dec 10 2010 02:30 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Pedro Feliciano; Truly Metly and ultimately forgettable.

G-Fafif Dec 10 2010 03:17 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Iconic in the thread title here, but not in the article, you'll note. Appeared in more games than he didn't for three years running. I won't forget that.

Valadius Dec 10 2010 03:30 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

He gets a spot in my all-time Mets bullpen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2010 07:26 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

One of the more unlikely all-time Mets, I'd say. Pitchers who lead the league in appearances for 3 straight seasons scare me. If this was 10 years ago, and Felicino was leaving some other team, Steve Phillips would give him a 3-year contract. You know it.

G-Fafif Dec 10 2010 08:03 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: One of the more unlikely all-time Mets, I'd say. Pitchers who lead the league in appearances for 3 straight seasons scare me. If this was 10 years ago, and Felicino was leaving some other team, Steve Phillips would give him a 3-year contract. You know it. In elementary school, we read a book about a kid who was kind of an outcast due to his demeanor (and then exotic ethnicity). He just kept his head down and kept working, kept coming to school every damn day...with a rice ball for lunch, no less. First five years were a thankless schlep through all kinds of rain, literal and metaphorical. But in sixth grade a teacher recognized he was special, et al, and not only did others recognize it, too, but he won an award for perfect attendance. And that, except for a great teacher looking out for him and maybe his not making with the rice ball, is Pedro Feliciano. Alderson on not pursuing Feliciano (during the first ever blogger-GM conference call in Mets history): "Considering what he's going to make, it was a relatively easy decision."

Lefty Specialist Dec 10 2010 08:04 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Liked him, but that left arm is due to fall off in 3.....2....

Edgy DC Dec 10 2010 09:10 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

I have no problem with a team retaining a guy --- an iconic guy, at that --- until he fails on the job, and needs a diminished role. I just think that they need a plan B, and a realistic understanding with the guy. At the right price, of course. John Franco, when he was failing as a setup guy, was still putting in great numbers for a lefty specialist, but nobody was willing to introduce the idea, and his ending was all pearish. It doesn't really have to be a choice between over-commiting to a guy (and his inevitable failure) or kicking him to the curb to avoid the failure (both of which are fugly). I know it doesn't work that way. Not too many guys since Rusty have slidden gracefully from featured role to support. But it could work. And it's beautiful when it does.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2010 05:33 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Greg's article is doing amazing things for Jeff Innis' UMDB hit count!

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2010 06:09 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

The only real problem with Pedro was that he is, for the first time in his career, in position to call the shots and therefore is likely to command a multi-year deal - or at least two years anyway. I would have had no problem with sticking with him if it could have been done for one year at a time.

G-Fafif Dec 11 2010 02:25 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Greg's article is doing amazing things for Jeff Innis' UMDB hit count! Then it hasn't been for naught.

soupcan Dec 11 2010 07:38 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

I just think it's super cool that Greg writes for the New York Times. Nice job Greg, I read it this morning with my coffee.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2010 08:25 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

soupcan wrote: I just think it's super cool that Greg writes for the New York Times. Nice job Greg, I read it this morning with my coffee. And the only better thing than starting the crossword, is finishing it!

G-Fafif Dec 11 2010 11:10 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: soupcan wrote: I just think it's super cool that Greg writes for the New York Times. Nice job Greg, I read it this morning with my coffee. And the only better thing than starting the crossword, is finishing it! Appreciate it, Soup. And amen sister!

metirish Dec 17 2010 07:53 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

A two year deal with the devil for $8 million, plus an option.... pass

bmfc1 Dec 17 2010 08:18 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

I've spent the last two years waiting for his arm to fall off. Maybe this April.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2010 08:27 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Here's hoping he joins Damaso Marte on the disabled list for two years. Oh, and thanks for the draft pick, Cashman, you twerp.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2010 09:43 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

for some reason, i like to think of the Mets sending Pedro into the MFY bullpen as akin to Andy Jackson giving smallpox-infected blankets to native leaders.

seawolf17 Dec 17 2010 09:53 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Ashie62 wrote: Pedro Feliciano; Truly Metly and ultimately forgettable. I don't know about "forgettable," but I know what you mean. Valadius wrote: He gets a spot in my all-time Mets bullpen. He's at least involved in the discussion, especially for younger fans. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: One of the more unlikely all-time Mets, I'd say. Pitchers who lead the league in appearances for 3 straight seasons scare me. If this was 10 years ago, and Felicino was leaving some other team, Steve Phillips would give him a 3-year contract. You know it. Exactly. This is a win for us; if he'd signed with a division rival, there would have been spots in the next couple of years where he could potentially hurt us. Instead, we get to watch his arm fall off right in our backyard. Well played, Sandy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 17 2010 09:58 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

So... any Paddy Power odds on when he throws his spot-start no-no?

G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 10:09 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 17 2010 10:10 AM

Valadius wrote: He gets a spot in my all-time Mets bullpen. Definitely gives Dennis Cook a run for his money for lefty specialist. (Not a huge cast to choose from -- Carlos Diaz and Mark Guthrie were briefly wonderful, but Cook and Feliciano had endurance going for them.) Pedro going to the MFYs reminds me of Rafael Santana going to the MFYs. I will be more saddened than infuriated by their appearance in ill-fitting pinstripes.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2010 10:10 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

He might do well in the Bronx. DH league ... less pitching changes ... no more need for Pedro to go perpetually ... effective weapon against LHB's with a hankering to abuse the close right field fences. It's a good fit.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2010 10:10 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

G-Fafif wrote: Valadius wrote: He gets a spot in my all-time Mets bullpen. Definitely gives Dennis Cook a run for his money for lefty specialist. (Not a huge cast to choose from -- Carlos Diaz and Mark Guthrie were breifly wonderful, but Cook and Feliciano had endurance going for them.) Pedro going to the MFYs reminds me of Rafael Santana going to the MFYs. I will be more saddened than infuriated by their appearance in ill-fitting pinstripes. If I was Santana, I woulda demanded my old #3.

G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 10:12 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

batmagadanleadoff wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Valadius wrote: He gets a spot in my all-time Mets bullpen. Definitely gives Dennis Cook a run for his money for lefty specialist. (Not a huge cast to choose from -- Carlos Diaz and Mark Guthrie were breifly wonderful, but Cook and Feliciano had endurance going for them.) Pedro going to the MFYs reminds me of Rafael Santana going to the MFYs. I will be more saddened than infuriated by their appearance in ill-fitting pinstripes. If I was Santana, I woulda demanded my old #3. I am in possession of a Rafael Santana game-used bat, albeit a bat used in a game in which he wore not No. 3 for that organization. But I try to look past that unfortunate aspect.

Frayed Knot Dec 17 2010 10:22 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Here's hoping he joins Damaso Marte on the disabled list for two years. Oh, and thanks for the draft pick, Cashman, you twerp. AND ... they're still paying Marte for this coming season ($4mil as well). Nothing like $8 million dollars of situational lefties in your pen with another $4mil of Kei Igawa ready for the call up in case either or both falter.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2010 11:54 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

I am in possession of a Rafael Santana game-used bat... so its never been used, i take it? And why the sadness over Raffy-2-Yanks? Was he an "icon", too? I must've missed the memo. Last i remembered, he was a no-hit/no-field SS that Davey sat in favor of Hojo and Mitchell whenever he thought he could get away with it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 17 2010 12:09 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

G-Fafif wrote: I am in possession of a Rafael Santana game-used bat... Is it bigger than a baby's arm? /Fman'ed

G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 01:20 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

Vic Sage wrote: I am in possession of a Rafael Santana game-used bat... so its never been used, i take it? And why the sadness over Raffy-2-Yanks? Was he an "icon", too? I must've missed the memo. Last i remembered, he was a no-hit/no-field SS that Davey sat in favor of Hojo and Mitchell whenever he thought he could get away with it. 1986 World Champion Met becomes a 1988 Yankee. Do the math.

metirish Dec 17 2010 01:36 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

yankee apologists on twitter, that would Klapisch and the like are selling this as a guy who "demands the ball in a big spot"

G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 01:42 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

metirish wrote: yankee apologists on twitter, that would Klapisch and the like are selling this as a guy who "demands the ball in a big spot" That's Jeter's influence, already at work.

Ashie62 Dec 17 2010 01:59 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon

Ashie62 wrote: Pedro Feliciano; Truly Metly and ultimately forgettable. Screw the Metly part

metirish Dec 17 2010 02:03 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

I hope he is as successful with them after leaving us as Mike Stanton was for us after leaving them...

themetfairy Dec 17 2010 02:06 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

metirish wrote: I hope he is as successful with them after leaving us as Mike Stanton was for us after leaving them... LOL irish!

Benjamin Grimm Dec 28 2010 08:02 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

Is this official yet?

Edgy DC Dec 28 2010 08:28 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

Strangely, it seems not. I thought it would take place over Christmas weekend, giving us all a love-thy-enemies opportunity.

Frayed Knot Dec 28 2010 12:45 PM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

The Yanx traditionally seem to drag their feet on these things to the point where not only don't they announce a signing until every i is dotted but they usually don't like to admit that an all-but-done transaction is even in the works. One thing we'll get to see if and when he does sign is the approximate slot of the draft pick we'll pick up. It's probably in the 40s someplace depending on how Pedro stacks up statistically against other ranked FAs changing teams. Which team signs him and when is NOT a factor.

Frayed Knot Jan 06 2011 07:12 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

Our 'Pedro Pick' in next year's draft currently sits at slot #42. With three 'Type A' FAs yet to sign (Carl Pavano, Grant Balfour & Raphael Soriano) that will drop one slot each if/when those players change teams. There are also four more 'Type B' players (Felipe Lopez, Aaron Heilman, Trevor Hoffman, Chad Qualls) who might rate higher than perpetual Pedro and therefore bump that pick down one more notch when they sign. As it stands now, only Adam LaRoche rated higher among Type B's than our now-departed lefty slinger.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 06 2011 07:16 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

Didn't LaRoche sign with Washington already?

Frayed Knot Jan 06 2011 07:21 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Didn't LaRoche sign with Washington already? Yes, and so far he's the only 'Type B' to net a higher supplemental pick than PF (DBacks get pick #41 for losing him). What we don't know yet is which, if any, of the remaining Type Bs out-rank Pedro according the rankings that Elias does over the last two seasons specifically for this purpose, and therefore will earn his ex-team a higher pick.

Edgy DC Jan 06 2011 07:28 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

Here's hoping our Yankee pick is a guy who dominates for a generation.

Frayed Knot Feb 01 2011 07:11 AM Re: Pedro Feliciano as Icon Turned Traitor

The "Pedro Pick" for June's draft is cemented at #44. The only ranked FA yet to sign is 'Type B' infielder Felipe Lopez and if/when he does sign the compensation the BoSox will receive will slot in at #47 so nothing before that will be affected. Currently our overall draft picture looks like: #13, #44, then 71st, 101st, 132nd, and then every 30 picks after that. If Lopez does sign a deal and does so with someone other than the Sawx then all those picks after the first two get pushed back one slot.