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Frayed Knot
Dec 11 2010 11:31 AM







No, not that one. That was 145 years ago and probably had more far-reaching effect than the one that's coming up will have - although you'd never know it from the coverage and anticipation.
Rumor has it that it might all be completed before the weekend is out. Either that or it won't be.
And, of course, everyone believes that it's down to two teams ... unless it's someone else.

Anyway, Kevin Goldstein over at Baseball Prospectus tries making the case that the winning team will be the one who finishes 2nd in this particular sweepstakes - and I'm sure he's not the only one with that view.



The Yanx, on the other hand, have to look at this with an eye towards the short-term seeing as how they're getting old and catcher (DH), SS, 3B, and closer. Plus, if Pettitte retires, their rotation suddenly looks like Sabathia, Burnett, Hughes and ... ummmm?? Probably why they tacked a 7th year onto their offer about 20 minutes after making their "best offer".
Oh yeah, and there's a little talked-about clause in Sabathia's deal where he can pull an ARod and opt out after 2011. Tough to think that he could expect more than his current $23mil/yr on the open market, but yaneverknow.

Ceetar
Dec 11 2010 11:54 AM
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Sabathia (Knee surgery), Hughes and Burnett as a rotation is like saying we have a rotation of Pelfrey, Dickey, Niese and Perez.

One guy there is probably more problem than solution.

Edgy DC
Dec 11 2010 12:38 PM
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Sabathiz is probaly analogous to Santana. Though I doubt he makes them wait until June, one might imagaine that his knee will never be the same. How do you do your rehab at that size?

Ceetar
Dec 11 2010 01:01 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Sabathiz is probaly analogous to Santana. Though I doubt he makes them wait until June, one might imagaine that his knee will never be the same. How do you do your rehab at that size?


Salt water taffy instead of elastic bands

Edgy DC
Dec 11 2010 01:04 PM
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I liked that I missed the A and hit Z instead. "Sabathiz." <>

metirish
Dec 12 2010 09:25 AM
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The vibe online seems to be that Lee will not be going to the yankees, and turns out that the mystery team with the seven year offer was Boston.

seawolf17
Dec 12 2010 09:27 AM
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Oh, how I miss King George. Lee signing with Boston would have caused him to blow his top; he would have started offering huge eight-figure deals to everyone.

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 12 2010 09:35 AM
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OMG, Lee signs!!!

metirish
Dec 12 2010 09:41 AM
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His pal C.C. with him, fat fucker.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 12 2010 10:52 AM
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metirish wrote:
The vibe online seems to be that Lee will not be going to the yankees, and turns out that the mystery team with the seven year offer was Boston.



batmagadanleadoff in the Crawford thread wrote:
DocTee wrote:

20M [for Crawford]? sheesh.


Makes me wonder just how much money the richest teams are actually earning. The Red Sox are a smart organization.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 13 2010 08:01 PM
Re: The Lee signing

Murder in the short-term, but beginning in 2012... goody?

At last the Philadelphia Phillies have formally joined the New York Yankees and the Texas Rangers in the bidding for Cliff Lee, the top pitcher available in this winter's free-agent market.
The Phillies were revealed Monday as the third "mystery team" that has been pursuing the 2008 AL Cy Young Award winner, a source confirmed to SI.com.

The Yankees... are thought to be the high bidder at seven years for at least $150 million, while the Rangers are offering six years and an option.
Philly's monetary offer isn't expected to compete with that of the Yankees either, but they are thought to be very much alive in the sweepstakes.

Edgy DC
Dec 13 2010 08:31 PM
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I can't remember the last time a mystery team turned out to be an actual mystery team.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 13 2010 08:45 PM
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Seriously. I'm phlummoxed.

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 13 2010 10:03 PM
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Cliff Lee's a goddamn Phillie according to every asshole on the internet.

attgig
Dec 13 2010 10:05 PM
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wtf...

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 13 2010 10:09 PM
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And Ian O'Connor cries himself to sleep.

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 13 2010 10:10 PM
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MLB.com guy saying he took crapola-loads less $$ to not play for the yankees.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/a ... um=twitter

Feeling "that's so funny (haha, eff u, yankees)" and "oh, shit, he's a phillie for 5 years" at the same time.

Confused.

OlerudOwned
Dec 13 2010 10:11 PM
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Yeah, well, they're, like, totally going to suck in 4 or 5 years, right?

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 13 2010 10:29 PM
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They're totally gonna be broken-down, shitty, expen$ive, laughingstock, also-rans in 2k16. put that shit in the prediction forum, son.

SteveJRogers
Dec 13 2010 10:43 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
And Ian O'Connor cries himself to sleep.


Nah, he and others (Kay, Heyman, Matthews, etc)already have the "yet another bad thing for Mets" and Mets must pull off something big" narratives in place.

As if they thought the Mets were going to go after Lee or were going to make big splashes this offseason, when it was pretty much understood that the Mets were cutting payroll this offseason.

Vince Coleman Firecracker
Dec 13 2010 11:03 PM
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Yuck. My first instinct was that his contract wouldn't be worth it in a few years, but he took under market value to go to Philly. 5 years at 20 million a year isn't bad at all. The fifth and sixth years, if the sixth vests, might be huge chunks of sunk cost, but there's a good chance they'll get more than enough production before then to make up for it. Not good for the Mets.

Also: since when can the Phillies afford a $160+ million payroll?

Gwreck
Dec 14 2010 02:10 AM
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Phillies are not a small-market club and never have been. Plus they are on a long sellout streak at that minor league sized bandbox of a ballpark.

Fman99
Dec 14 2010 03:33 AM
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Gay.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 14 2010 04:04 AM
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Man, wake me up in five years.

Valadius
Dec 14 2010 04:55 AM
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Makes you wonder why the Rangers couldn't close the deal.

seawolf17
Dec 14 2010 05:09 AM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
And Ian O'Connor cries himself to sleep.

His piece this morning says it "hurts more than LeBron." Dickwad.

Yeah, wake me up in 2016.

metirish
Dec 14 2010 05:15 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2010 05:39 AM

A stunner alright, Heyman was ejaculating all over twitter last night about this possibly being the best starting rotation ever.Let's have the press conference first Jon why don't we.

Nice to see the yankees and their sense of entitlement get turned down, Chris Young anyone?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 14 2010 05:23 AM
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I'm thinking this is good, somehow.

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 05:29 AM
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To every Yankee fan who snarktastically responded to getting knocked out of the playoffs by Lee's Rangers saying, "Don't over-pitch him too much --- we'll need him to report to spring training fresh and healthy," this is bad for them.

Therefore, it's good for America.

And what's good for America is good for the Mets. Trust me here.

And, by the way, this is Derek Jeter's fault. Pass it on.

Ceetar
Dec 14 2010 05:34 AM
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Heyman was breaking down the Yankees rotation with Lee the other day too.


Whatever. They'll still lose and now be further handicapped down the road.

oh, and Lee is scum, so it's fitting. Always knew he wanted to reach free agency so he could exploit NY money

metirish
Dec 14 2010 05:42 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
To every Yankee fan who snarktastically responded to getting knocked out of the playoffs by Lee's Rangers saying, "Don't over-pitch him too much --- we'll need him to report to spring training fresh and healthy," this is bad for them.

Therefore, it's good for America.

And what's good for America is good for the Mets. Trust me here.

And, by the way, this is Derek Jeter's fault. Pass it on.



Filip Bondy among them, did you save those emails LWFS ?

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 06:20 AM
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Now, what we need is ESPN to report this along with footage of Cashman dressed as an elf and rappeling down a wall.

smg58
Dec 14 2010 06:51 AM
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The deal guarantees $120M at last report, with the sixth year being a $27.5M vesting option or a staggering $12.5M buyout.

Does this get Amaro off the hook for the horrible mistake in dealing Lee in the first place? After everything else he's since done, how can he possibly argue that $9M was too much to pay for the guy last year?

That being said, he's managed to talk the Blue Jays into eating a significant portion of Halladay's salary last year, Halladay into taking three years at $20M per when he'd have gotten bigger offers than Lee had he waited, the Astros into eating large portions of Oswalt's contract, and Lee into passing up not one but two larger offers from playoff teams. Jedi mind tricks? Blackmail? How come Ryan Howard's agent appears to be smarter than everybody else?

Farmer Ted
Dec 14 2010 07:23 AM
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Good article from Adam Kilgore which, ironically, he posted prolly minutes before the Lee-Phils deals was announced.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nation ... n_a_b.html

Frayed Knot
Dec 14 2010 07:30 AM
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Does this get Amaro off the hook for the horrible mistake in dealing Lee in the first place? After everything else he's since done, how can he possibly argue that $9M was too much to pay for the guy last year?


Yeah, that's the weird part - well, that and the fact that Lee passed up two (rumored to be) clearly superior offers to take this one. Wonder how the union is going to react to this one? Maybe they're giving his agent a good working over in the sound-proof basement at union HQ as we speak.

Either way, be interesting to hear how Lee's line of reasoning goes. Listened to ten seconds of FAN this morning which featured Carton screaming about how Lee is "too afraid to come to New York". Nothing like dopes using personal decisions to try and make themselves feel tough. Yeah Craig, maybe if you try hard enough you can convince yourself that he skipped the Big Apple on account of he didn't think he was man enough to handle an interview with you.


Philly is clearly in a 'go for it NOW!!!!' mode despite the loss of Werth.
Their 'Big Three' imported hurlers turn 33 (Oswalt), 34 (Halladay), and 33 (Lee) next season - and their position players are all over 30 as well with the exception of Werth's likely replacement Domonic Brown.
Oswalt can walk after 2011 (mutual option) as can Lidge (option). Hamels is free the year after that.
On the field: Rollins & Ibanez are FA after this year; Polanco & Victorino after 2012.
Of their biggest guns, only Utley (32 - and signed thru 2013) and Howard (31 - thru 2017) are around for a while.

Centerfield
Dec 14 2010 07:33 AM
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I appreciate the efforts to find a silver lining here, and maybe in a few years, this will bite the Phils in the ass, but for the next two or three years, this sucks royally for the Mets.

Thank goodness for the Wild Card.

Willets Point
Dec 14 2010 07:50 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Now, what we need is ESPN to report this along with footage of Cashman dressed as an elf and rappeling down a wall.



Not just any wall, but the tallest (only) skyscraper in Stamford!

attgig
Dec 14 2010 08:11 AM
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WHIPPED!

http://twitter.com/RandyJMiller/status/ ... 4024950784
http://twitter.com/RandyJMiller/status/ ... 5926180864



Apparently incident with Lee's wife had last fall with Yankees fans wasn't forgotten. Besides that, she's not fond of NY. She LOVES Philly.

A good source tells me that Cliff Lee''s wife is the main reason he didn't sign with Yankees. She wanted NO PART of New York, i was told.

MFS62
Dec 14 2010 08:15 AM
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I don't get it - Mrs Lee didn't like the behavior of Yankee fans, then her hubby signed with the PHILLIES???.
I can't wait for him to lose a home game.
She'll need both an umbrella and body armour.

Later

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 14 2010 08:20 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:

And, by the way, this is Derek Jeter's fault. Pass it on.


Of COURSE it's Jeter's fault! What right-thinking star pitcher wants to look over his shoulder and see a freaking tree stump with a glove manning the spot where 70 percent of ground balls are hit?

seawolf17
Dec 14 2010 09:02 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Oh, and do the world a favor. When the Phillies come to town, treat Ms. Lee like a princess.

We would, but the problem is, Mets fans don't buy tickets to see our own team, and as such, the park will be full of Phillies fans busing themselves up for the game and Yankee fans who can't afford to pay MFY Stadium III prices.

Edgy DC wrote:

And, by the way, this is Derek Jeter's fault. Pass it on.


Of COURSE it's Jeter's fault! What right-thinking star pitcher wants to look over his shoulder and see a freaking tree stump with a glove manning the spot where 70 percent of ground balls are hit?

I know that's a joke, but you know...

Okay ... here's your silver lining:

The five man rotation of Gooden, Cone, Viola, Fernandez and Darling never went to the post-season.

Happy, now?

Yeah, because those teams not making the postseason made me really happy. Thanks for the memories.

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 14 2010 09:05 AM
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OFF THE LEDGE YANKEE FANS!

The team just signed Russell Martin! Who needs Cliff Lee!

bmfc1
Dec 14 2010 09:27 AM
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I thought that this was a good look at the MFPs for '11 and beyond:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_ ... tery-team/

metirish
Dec 14 2010 09:32 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
I thought that this was a good look at the MFPs for '11 and beyond:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_ ... tery-team/


wow


When all is said and done, Opening Day payroll should settle in around $168 million.

Vic Sage
Dec 14 2010 09:37 AM
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Anybody who doesn't see this as a bad thing for the Mets for the next two seasons is being willfully optimistic...NTTAWWT, but its not in my nature.

The fact that it's also bad for the Yanks and may one day be bad for the MFPs does nothing to cheer me... well, it does a little to cheer me, but not enough to overcome the grim reality of trying to match up against HALLADAY-LEE-OSWALT-HAMELS with SANTANA (DL)- PELFREY(OCD)- DICKEY (RA)-NEISE (FEH) for the next season or 2.

bmfc1
Dec 14 2010 09:45 AM
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"SANTANA (DL)- PELFREY(OCD)- DICKEY (RA)-NEISE (FEH)"

VS, that was well done.

Ceetar
Dec 14 2010 09:49 AM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Anybody who doesn't see this as a bad thing for the Mets for the next two seasons is being willfully optimistic...NTTAWWT, but its not in my nature.

The fact that it's also bad for the Yanks and may one day be bad for the MFPs does nothing to cheer me... well, it does a little to cheer me, but not enough to overcome the grim reality of trying to match up against HALLADAY-LEE-OSWALT-HAMELS with SANTANA (DL)- PELFREY(OCD)- DICKEY (RA)-NEISE (FEH) for the next season or 2.


You never know what's going to happen. Niese was a rookie, but looked really good. You could say Dickey had a better year than oswalt hamels or lee last year. We need more pitchers, but what we have isn't bad.

smg58
Dec 14 2010 09:58 AM
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If I thought the Mets were one good pickup from catching up with the Phillies before yesterday, I'd feel much worse about it. As for 2012 and beyond, I'll worry about it when I get there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 14 2010 11:34 AM
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Red herrings and bruised feelings aside, Lee's outperformed Santana in each of the past three regular seasons, really:

2008: Lee (7.3 B-R WAR/7.2 Fangraphs WAR) over Santana (6.4/4.8)
2009: Lee (5.0/6.6) over Santana (3.6/2.7)
2010: Lee (4.3*/7.1) over Santana (4.4/3.5)

(Much stronger peripherals-- K/BB rate, dependability on strand rate/low HR rate, etc.-- produce the Fangraphs-sized gaps.)

I would probably rather have Lee for the next couple of years, if only because of projected durability. (Although it should be noted that, for all of the injury issues Santana's faced over the last two seasons, he's only started five fewer games over that time than the "workhorse" Lee.)

That said, they've got him for at least five, while Santana's only here for three guaranteed.



*Something seems wonky here... I haven't quite sussed out what.

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 11:39 AM
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I would also.

That 7.1 last year sure seems to come out of left field, though, doesn't it? Are they somehow including his post-season performances and amplifying them for the higher stakes? That would be interesting, but then he'd look even better in 2009.

TheOldMole
Dec 14 2010 11:44 AM
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My favorite article was Andy Martino in the News saying Lee might regret not taking the extra money from the Yankees. I guess $100 million doesn't go as far as it used to.

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 01:07 PM
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Split to the red light.

Vince Coleman Firecracker
Dec 14 2010 01:13 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
That 7.1 last year sure seems to come out of left field, though, doesn't it? Are they somehow including his post-season performances and amplifying them for the higher stakes?



Doesn't look like it. It looks like his fWAR is based on 212 1/3 innings, which is his regular season total. Their glossary entry says nothing about the postseason and if you click the "show postseason" link on the player's page, it lists those stats separately.

Ashie62
Dec 14 2010 01:32 PM
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metirish wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
To every Yankee fan who snarktastically responded to getting knocked out of the playoffs by Lee's Rangers saying, "Don't over-pitch him too much --- we'll need him to report to spring training fresh and healthy," this is bad for them.

Therefore, it's good for America.

And what's good for America is good for the Mets. Trust me here.

And, by the way, this is Derek Jeter's fault. Pass it on.



Filip Bondy among them, did you save those emails LWFS ?


I did

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 01:42 PM
Re: The Lee signing

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
That 7.1 last year sure seems to come out of left field, though, doesn't it? Are they somehow including his post-season performances and amplifying them for the higher stakes?



Doesn't look like it. It looks like his fWAR is based on 212 1/3 innings, which is his regular season total. Their glossary entry says nothing about the postseason and if you click the "show postseason" link on the player's page, it lists those stats separately.

Well that suggests I'm selling him short on last year. He did have a gorgeous first half with the Mariners, before coming back toward earth, if not to it, with the Rangers.

But is his 212 1/3-inning-3.18-ERA season of 2010 really only 1.4% less excellent than his 223 1/3-2.54-ERA season of 2008? I guess I'm failing to properly consider park factors and/or being blinded by the very different won-loss records, but it still seems to be challenging. His walk and strikeout rates are improving but his homer rate is going up (as one might expect).

At any rate, BB-R.com isn''t buying it all.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 14 2010 01:45 PM
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That walk/strikeout rate was, like, Pedro-in-his-prime good during the first half of last year. If only by comparison with 2008, 7.1 seems a little high... but the B-R WAR of 4.3 seems way off.

Ashie62
Dec 14 2010 01:47 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
That walk/strikeout rate was, like, Pedro-in-his-prime good during the first half of last year. If only by comparison with 2008, 7.1 seems a little high... but the B-R WAR of 4.3 seems way off.


Maybe WAR is not all that its' cracked up to be.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 14 2010 01:48 PM
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It's not perfect by any means. But knowing THAT doesn't really help us with getting closer to what actually happened last year, performance-wise. Knowing WHY is much more useful.

Ashie62
Dec 14 2010 01:51 PM
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Lee got the going rate for the "Top Dog" available pitcher. The stats have little to do with his salary if Lee is perceived to be the best out there.

Beyond that, Lee didn't like the heat in TX and the cretins in the Bleachers.

Vince Coleman Firecracker
Dec 14 2010 01:56 PM
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Well, either Baseball Reference is way wrong or Fangraphs is way wrong or, most likely, they're both a little wrong, but since Fangraphs has Lee's last three combined years ranked second in baseball and BBR has them 1st, 16th and 23rd for 2008, 9 and 10 (dunno what to click to add em up, cuz I'm a moe-ron), with some rotating cast members ahead of him over those years, I think it's fair to say he has been one of the very best in baseball over that span.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 14 2010 02:02 PM
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He was born in Arkansas, and resides there during the offseason, right? Texas heat would be a really, REALLY odd reason to turn down additional money/guaranteed years with a team that seemed just as equipped to compete now AND in the future... in a place without state income tax.

"A strong preference for Philadelphia and the organization/people therein" is probably closer to it... but man, that would be one strong preference. (Maybe he just REALLY likes guys named "Roy.")

Ceetar
Dec 14 2010 02:03 PM
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I thought someone tweeted that the money was _heavily_ deferred (with Texas)? Sounds like Lee opted for the most per year option.

Ashie62
Dec 14 2010 02:05 PM
Re: The Lee signing

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
He was born in Arkansas, and resides there during the offseason, right? Texas heat would be a really, REALLY odd reason to turn down additional money/guaranteed years with a team that seemed just as equipped to compete now AND in the future... in a place without state income tax.

"A strong preference for Philadelphia and the organization/people therein" is probably closer to it... but man, that would be one strong preference. (Maybe he just REALLY likes guys named "Roy.")


There was a tweet sometime back that Lee feared the TX heat would negatively affect his performance. I think he enjoyed his time in Philly and is happy to go back.

Some nice real estate to buy a home in.

Ashie62
Dec 14 2010 02:05 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I thought someone tweeted that the money was _heavily_ deferred (with Texas)? Sounds like Lee opted for the most per year option.


Who tweeted? You're the blogger.

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 02:39 PM
Re: The Lee signing

What do you think they'll give us for Matt Harvey?

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 14 2010 02:45 PM
Re: The Lee signing

Edgy DC wrote:
Split to the red light.



You wished me into the cornfield.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 14 2010 02:52 PM
Re: The Lee signing

Edgy DC wrote:
What do you think they'll give us for Matt Harvey?


Whatever it is, make sure it's an out-of-season trade.

Come the end of July, Ruben Amaro appears to able to talk the habit off a nun and have her pay for her own cab back to the convent.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 14 2010 02:55 PM
Re: The Lee signing

So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?

Edgy DC
Dec 14 2010 02:55 PM
Re: The Lee signing

Thank you!

MFS62
Dec 14 2010 09:28 PM
Re: The Lee signing

The grapes are starting to taste sour for the Yankee shills.
Around 6:30 tonight, Michael Kay said (a close paraphrase) that Lee isn't a big loss - he only had one really good year. And he got hit around in his first start after he got traded this year.

You can't make this stuff up.

Later

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 15 2010 05:22 AM
Re: The Lee signing

Do you think the Phils are going to trade one of those pitchers? A guy like Hamels could bring back some position players that they'll need to replace the aging and banged=up guys.

Frayed Knot
Dec 15 2010 06:27 AM
Re: The Lee signing

I think they're looking to trade Blanton.
They'll probably have to eat some money to do so but they have to cut somewhere and he's pretty expensive for a 5th starter.

smg58
Dec 15 2010 07:32 AM
Re: The Lee signing

Blanton pitched much better the second half of the year than he did the first half (after missing April with an injury), and his HR rate would presumably be lower here than it's been in Philly. While I doubt they'd trade him to us, it wouldn't hurt to ask.

seawolf17
Dec 15 2010 08:34 AM
Re: The Lee signing

I'd think they'd get a lot more for Kendrick, for what it's worth.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 15 2010 09:00 AM
Re: The Lee signing

MFS62 wrote:
The grapes are starting to taste sour for the Yankee shills.
Around 6:30 tonight, Michael Kay said (a close paraphrase) that Lee isn't a big loss - he only had one really good year. And he got hit around in his first start after he got traded this year.

You can't make this stuff up.


Do you suppose that if Lee chose the MFY's, Kay would, instead, be gloating about all the socks Lee's gonna knock off everybody in 2011? ;-)*



* This internet symbol represents a smiling, winking face. You have to tilt your head sideways, towards your left shoulder when looking, to get the full effect. ;-)

Here are some other symbols I picked up today, while surfing. I never knew these things existed.

(.)(.) Breasts
8---> Penis
(_!_) Ass
(_o_) Asshole
:(:) ) Happy pig
^..^ Bat
=^..^= Cat
^_^ Dog ears

G-Fafif
Dec 15 2010 09:09 AM
Re: The Lee signing

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 15 2010 09:42 AM
Re: The Lee signing

G-Fafif wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.


Great Googly Moogly-- we've had this comedy pyramid before, haven't we?

G-Fafif
Dec 15 2010 09:46 AM
Re: The Lee signing

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.


Great Googly Moogly-- we've had this comedy pyramid before, haven't we?


Oh, shoot...

Edgy DC
Dec 17 2010 07:43 AM
Re: The Lee signing

Great Googily Moogily. Some gloataceous stuff from a Phillie phan.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPxJPE

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 17 2010 10:14 AM
Re: The Lee signing

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.


Great Googly Moogly-- we've had this comedy pyramid before, haven't we?



I hope Lee doesn't pitch any shutouts next season. Because when it comes to the Phillies, I'm no zip-rooter.

G-Fafif
Dec 17 2010 10:35 AM
Re: The Lee signing

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.


Great Googly Moogly-- we've had this comedy pyramid before, haven't we?



I hope Lee doesn't pitch any shutouts next season. Because when it comes to the Phillies, I'm no zip-rooter.


He could pitch a gem. Maybe even a Ruby.

G-Fafif
Dec 17 2010 10:36 AM
Re: The Lee signing

Then again, he did leave Dallas.

bmfc1
Dec 17 2010 07:32 PM
Re: The Lee signing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPx ... ata_player
"A conversation between Lee and Werth."
NSFW.

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 17 2010 07:53 PM
Re: The Lee signing

bmfc1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPxJPE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"A conversation between Lee and Werth."
NSFW.


Liked that a lot. Werth was great.

G-Fafif
Dec 17 2010 08:33 PM
Re: The Lee signing

More fun than the entire 2011 season, probably.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 17 2010 08:36 PM
Re: The Lee signing

Hilarious.

MFS62
Dec 19 2010 08:11 AM
Re: The Lee signing

Prince must have been a Mets fan.
enjoy,
Later

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Dig if u will the picture

The Yanks made an offer, got dissed
The sound of their anguish pleases me
I say to all of you Mets fans

Can u picture this?

Dream if u can a picture
Of Yankee fan doom and gloom
Dewy eyes and running noses
They have been beat
In the Lee sweepstakes, through and through.

How could he leave the Yanks standing?
And take the Phills’ offer, so bold ? (So bold)
Maybe his wife was demanding
Maybe he wanted a shortstop not too old
One offer’s not like another
His wife wasn’t satisfied (Wasn’t satisfied)
She remembered the Yankee fans’ treatment
Of her, and when she did
She told Cliff, he shouldn’t even try.

The fans were just too much to stomach
Especially when they made spittle fly
Amaro had all the strings tied up
The Lee signing decision was easy
He didn’t have to swallow his great pride

How could he leave the Yanks standing?
Not come into the pinstripes’ fold? (Pinstripes’ fold)
Now their shill writers are working
Telling us he is too old
But you know if he’d taken Cashman’s offer
A different story we’d be told
But then the fans screamed bloody murder
You know Mets fans like it
When Yank fans cry