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The Lee signing
Frayed Knot Dec 11 2010 11:31 AM |
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Ceetar Dec 11 2010 11:54 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Sabathia (Knee surgery), Hughes and Burnett as a rotation is like saying we have a rotation of Pelfrey, Dickey, Niese and Perez.
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Edgy DC Dec 11 2010 12:38 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Sabathiz is probaly analogous to Santana. Though I doubt he makes them wait until June, one might imagaine that his knee will never be the same. How do you do your rehab at that size?
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Ceetar Dec 11 2010 01:01 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Salt water taffy instead of elastic bands
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Edgy DC Dec 11 2010 01:04 PM Re: The Lee signing |
I liked that I missed the A and hit Z instead. "Sabathiz." <
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metirish Dec 12 2010 09:25 AM Re: The Lee signing |
The vibe online seems to be that Lee will not be going to the yankees, and turns out that the mystery team with the seven year offer was Boston.
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seawolf17 Dec 12 2010 09:27 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Oh, how I miss King George. Lee signing with Boston would have caused him to blow his top; he would have started offering huge eight-figure deals to everyone.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 12 2010 09:35 AM Re: The Lee signing |
OMG, Lee signs!!!
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metirish Dec 12 2010 09:41 AM Re: The Lee signing |
His pal C.C. with him, fat fucker.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 12 2010 10:52 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2010 08:01 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Murder in the short-term, but beginning in 2012... goody?
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Edgy DC Dec 13 2010 08:31 PM Re: The Lee signing |
I can't remember the last time a mystery team turned out to be an actual mystery team.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2010 08:45 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Seriously. I'm phlummoxed.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2010 10:03 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Cliff Lee's a goddamn Phillie according to every asshole on the internet.
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attgig Dec 13 2010 10:05 PM Re: The Lee signing |
wtf...
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metsguyinmichigan Dec 13 2010 10:09 PM Re: The Lee signing |
And Ian O'Connor cries himself to sleep.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2010 10:10 PM Re: The Lee signing |
MLB.com guy saying he took crapola-loads less $$ to not play for the yankees.
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OlerudOwned Dec 13 2010 10:11 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Yeah, well, they're, like, totally going to suck in 4 or 5 years, right?
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2010 10:29 PM Re: The Lee signing |
They're totally gonna be broken-down, shitty, expen$ive, laughingstock, also-rans in 2k16. put that shit in the prediction forum, son.
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SteveJRogers Dec 13 2010 10:43 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Nah, he and others (Kay, Heyman, Matthews, etc)already have the "yet another bad thing for Mets" and Mets must pull off something big" narratives in place. As if they thought the Mets were going to go after Lee or were going to make big splashes this offseason, when it was pretty much understood that the Mets were cutting payroll this offseason.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 13 2010 11:03 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Yuck. My first instinct was that his contract wouldn't be worth it in a few years, but he took under market value to go to Philly. 5 years at 20 million a year isn't bad at all. The fifth and sixth years, if the sixth vests, might be huge chunks of sunk cost, but there's a good chance they'll get more than enough production before then to make up for it. Not good for the Mets.
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Gwreck Dec 14 2010 02:10 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Phillies are not a small-market club and never have been. Plus they are on a long sellout streak at that minor league sized bandbox of a ballpark.
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Fman99 Dec 14 2010 03:33 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Gay.
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Lefty Specialist Dec 14 2010 04:04 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Man, wake me up in five years.
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Valadius Dec 14 2010 04:55 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Makes you wonder why the Rangers couldn't close the deal.
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2010 05:09 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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His piece this morning says it "hurts more than LeBron." Dickwad. Yeah, wake me up in 2016.
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metirish Dec 14 2010 05:15 AM Re: The Lee signing Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2010 05:39 AM |
A stunner alright, Heyman was ejaculating all over twitter last night about this possibly being the best starting rotation ever.Let's have the press conference first Jon why don't we.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2010 05:23 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I'm thinking this is good, somehow.
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 05:29 AM Re: The Lee signing |
To every Yankee fan who snarktastically responded to getting knocked out of the playoffs by Lee's Rangers saying, "Don't over-pitch him too much --- we'll need him to report to spring training fresh and healthy," this is bad for them.
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Ceetar Dec 14 2010 05:34 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Heyman was breaking down the Yankees rotation with Lee the other day too.
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metirish Dec 14 2010 05:42 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Filip Bondy among them, did you save those emails LWFS ?
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 06:20 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Now, what we need is ESPN to report this along with footage of Cashman dressed as an elf and rappeling down a wall.
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smg58 Dec 14 2010 06:51 AM Re: The Lee signing |
The deal guarantees $120M at last report, with the sixth year being a $27.5M vesting option or a staggering $12.5M buyout.
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Farmer Ted Dec 14 2010 07:23 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Good article from Adam Kilgore which, ironically, he posted prolly minutes before the Lee-Phils deals was announced.
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Frayed Knot Dec 14 2010 07:30 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Yeah, that's the weird part - well, that and the fact that Lee passed up two (rumored to be) clearly superior offers to take this one. Wonder how the union is going to react to this one? Maybe they're giving his agent a good working over in the sound-proof basement at union HQ as we speak. Either way, be interesting to hear how Lee's line of reasoning goes. Listened to ten seconds of FAN this morning which featured Carton screaming about how Lee is "too afraid to come to New York". Nothing like dopes using personal decisions to try and make themselves feel tough. Yeah Craig, maybe if you try hard enough you can convince yourself that he skipped the Big Apple on account of he didn't think he was man enough to handle an interview with you. Philly is clearly in a 'go for it NOW!!!!' mode despite the loss of Werth. Their 'Big Three' imported hurlers turn 33 (Oswalt), 34 (Halladay), and 33 (Lee) next season - and their position players are all over 30 as well with the exception of Werth's likely replacement Domonic Brown. Oswalt can walk after 2011 (mutual option) as can Lidge (option). Hamels is free the year after that. On the field: Rollins & Ibanez are FA after this year; Polanco & Victorino after 2012. Of their biggest guns, only Utley (32 - and signed thru 2013) and Howard (31 - thru 2017) are around for a while.
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Centerfield Dec 14 2010 07:33 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I appreciate the efforts to find a silver lining here, and maybe in a few years, this will bite the Phils in the ass, but for the next two or three years, this sucks royally for the Mets.
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Willets Point Dec 14 2010 07:50 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Not just any wall, but the tallest (only) skyscraper in Stamford!
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attgig Dec 14 2010 08:11 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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WHIPPED!
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MFS62 Dec 14 2010 08:15 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I don't get it - Mrs Lee didn't like the behavior of Yankee fans, then her hubby signed with the PHILLIES???.
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metsguyinmichigan Dec 14 2010 08:20 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Of COURSE it's Jeter's fault! What right-thinking star pitcher wants to look over his shoulder and see a freaking tree stump with a glove manning the spot where 70 percent of ground balls are hit?
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2010 09:02 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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We would, but the problem is, Mets fans don't buy tickets to see our own team, and as such, the park will be full of Phillies fans busing themselves up for the game and Yankee fans who can't afford to pay MFY Stadium III prices.
I know that's a joke, but you know...
Yeah, because those teams not making the postseason made me really happy. Thanks for the memories.
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metsguyinmichigan Dec 14 2010 09:05 AM Re: The Lee signing |
OFF THE LEDGE YANKEE FANS!
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bmfc1 Dec 14 2010 09:27 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I thought that this was a good look at the MFPs for '11 and beyond:
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metirish Dec 14 2010 09:32 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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wow
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Vic Sage Dec 14 2010 09:37 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Anybody who doesn't see this as a bad thing for the Mets for the next two seasons is being willfully optimistic...NTTAWWT, but its not in my nature.
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bmfc1 Dec 14 2010 09:45 AM Re: The Lee signing |
"SANTANA (DL)- PELFREY(OCD)- DICKEY (RA)-NEISE (FEH)"
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Ceetar Dec 14 2010 09:49 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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You never know what's going to happen. Niese was a rookie, but looked really good. You could say Dickey had a better year than oswalt hamels or lee last year. We need more pitchers, but what we have isn't bad.
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smg58 Dec 14 2010 09:58 AM Re: The Lee signing |
If I thought the Mets were one good pickup from catching up with the Phillies before yesterday, I'd feel much worse about it. As for 2012 and beyond, I'll worry about it when I get there.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 11:34 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Red herrings and bruised feelings aside, Lee's outperformed Santana in each of the past three regular seasons, really:
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 11:39 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I would also.
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TheOldMole Dec 14 2010 11:44 AM Re: The Lee signing |
My favorite article was Andy Martino in the News saying Lee might regret not taking the extra money from the Yankees. I guess $100 million doesn't go as far as it used to.
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 01:07 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Split to the red light.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 14 2010 01:13 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Doesn't look like it. It looks like his fWAR is based on 212 1/3 innings, which is his regular season total. Their glossary entry says nothing about the postseason and if you click the "show postseason" link on the player's page, it lists those stats separately.
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Ashie62 Dec 14 2010 01:32 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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I did
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 01:42 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Well that suggests I'm selling him short on last year. He did have a gorgeous first half with the Mariners, before coming back toward earth, if not to it, with the Rangers. But is his 212 1/3-inning-3.18-ERA season of 2010 really only 1.4% less excellent than his 223 1/3-2.54-ERA season of 2008? I guess I'm failing to properly consider park factors and/or being blinded by the very different won-loss records, but it still seems to be challenging. His walk and strikeout rates are improving but his homer rate is going up (as one might expect). At any rate, BB-R.com isn''t buying it all.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 01:45 PM Re: The Lee signing |
That walk/strikeout rate was, like, Pedro-in-his-prime good during the first half of last year. If only by comparison with 2008, 7.1 seems a little high... but the B-R WAR of 4.3 seems way off.
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Ashie62 Dec 14 2010 01:47 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Maybe WAR is not all that its' cracked up to be.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 01:48 PM Re: The Lee signing |
It's not perfect by any means. But knowing THAT doesn't really help us with getting closer to what actually happened last year, performance-wise. Knowing WHY is much more useful.
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Ashie62 Dec 14 2010 01:51 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Lee got the going rate for the "Top Dog" available pitcher. The stats have little to do with his salary if Lee is perceived to be the best out there.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 14 2010 01:56 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Well, either Baseball Reference is way wrong or Fangraphs is way wrong or, most likely, they're both a little wrong, but since Fangraphs has Lee's last three combined years ranked second in baseball and BBR has them 1st, 16th and 23rd for 2008, 9 and 10 (dunno what to click to add em up, cuz I'm a moe-ron), with some rotating cast members ahead of him over those years, I think it's fair to say he has been one of the very best in baseball over that span.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 02:02 PM Re: The Lee signing |
He was born in Arkansas, and resides there during the offseason, right? Texas heat would be a really, REALLY odd reason to turn down additional money/guaranteed years with a team that seemed just as equipped to compete now AND in the future... in a place without state income tax.
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Ceetar Dec 14 2010 02:03 PM Re: The Lee signing |
I thought someone tweeted that the money was _heavily_ deferred (with Texas)? Sounds like Lee opted for the most per year option.
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Ashie62 Dec 14 2010 02:05 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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There was a tweet sometime back that Lee feared the TX heat would negatively affect his performance. I think he enjoyed his time in Philly and is happy to go back. Some nice real estate to buy a home in.
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Ashie62 Dec 14 2010 02:05 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Who tweeted? You're the blogger.
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 02:39 PM Re: The Lee signing |
What do you think they'll give us for Matt Harvey?
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2010 02:45 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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You wished me into the cornfield.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 02:52 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Whatever it is, make sure it's an out-of-season trade. Come the end of July, Ruben Amaro appears to able to talk the habit off a nun and have her pay for her own cab back to the convent.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2010 02:55 PM Re: The Lee signing |
So they can have that Lee-Harvey-Oswalt rotation?
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Edgy DC Dec 14 2010 02:55 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Thank you!
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MFS62 Dec 14 2010 09:28 PM Re: The Lee signing |
The grapes are starting to taste sour for the Yankee shills.
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metsguyinmichigan Dec 15 2010 05:22 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Do you think the Phils are going to trade one of those pitchers? A guy like Hamels could bring back some position players that they'll need to replace the aging and banged=up guys.
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Frayed Knot Dec 15 2010 06:27 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I think they're looking to trade Blanton.
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smg58 Dec 15 2010 07:32 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Blanton pitched much better the second half of the year than he did the first half (after missing April with an injury), and his HR rate would presumably be lower here than it's been in Philly. While I doubt they'd trade him to us, it wouldn't hurt to ask.
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seawolf17 Dec 15 2010 08:34 AM Re: The Lee signing |
I'd think they'd get a lot more for Kendrick, for what it's worth.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 15 2010 09:00 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Do you suppose that if Lee chose the MFY's, Kay would, instead, be gloating about all the socks Lee's gonna knock off everybody in 2011? ;-)* * This internet symbol represents a smiling, winking face. You have to tilt your head sideways, towards your left shoulder when looking, to get the full effect. ;-) Here are some other symbols I picked up today, while surfing. I never knew these things existed. (.)(.) Breasts 8---> Penis (_!_) Ass (_o_) Asshole :(:) ) Happy pig ^..^ Bat =^..^= Cat ^_^ Dog ears
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G-Fafif Dec 15 2010 09:09 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2010 09:42 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Great Googly Moogly-- we've had this comedy pyramid before, haven't we?
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G-Fafif Dec 15 2010 09:46 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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Oh, shoot...
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Edgy DC Dec 17 2010 07:43 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Great Googily Moogily. Some gloataceous stuff from a Phillie phan.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2010 10:14 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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I hope Lee doesn't pitch any shutouts next season. Because when it comes to the Phillies, I'm no zip-rooter.
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G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 10:35 AM Re: The Lee signing |
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He could pitch a gem. Maybe even a Ruby.
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G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 10:36 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Then again, he did leave Dallas.
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bmfc1 Dec 17 2010 07:32 PM Re: The Lee signing |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPx ... ata_player
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 17 2010 07:53 PM Re: The Lee signing |
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Liked that a lot. Werth was great.
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G-Fafif Dec 17 2010 08:33 PM Re: The Lee signing |
More fun than the entire 2011 season, probably.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2010 08:36 PM Re: The Lee signing |
Hilarious.
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MFS62 Dec 19 2010 08:11 AM Re: The Lee signing |
Prince must have been a Mets fan.
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