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Benjamin Grimm
Jan 01 2011 05:22 AM

Original thread: Running Thread Redux

When that link no longer works, you'll find the thread among the others that were opened in October 2007.

metirish
Jan 01 2011 06:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I won't be running in 2011.

Fman99
Jan 01 2011 08:44 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

It's in the 50's out there today, happy to start 2011 with an actual run outside.

OE: Ran 3.8 in 29:54. I wish it would stay like this for all of winter, I could have done 10 miles in this kind of weather.

metsmarathon
Jan 01 2011 10:02 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

ran 3.5 miles in 34:39.

so rusty. so very rusty. i wish i had come across a girl in a blue checkered dress and fancy shoes.

Kong76
Jan 01 2011 10:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran out to Shop-Rite in the Honda, got some steak
and eggs. What happened to the CPF running shirts?

Fman99
Jan 01 2011 10:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Kong76 wrote:
Ran out to Shop-Rite in the Honda, got some steak
and eggs. What happened to the CPF running shirts?


That project died on the vine. Sadly.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2011 12:11 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran the Hamilton Hangover this afternoon. Normally it's a 5-miler, but due to the snow it was merely 5K this year. Finished in 35:33, which was good for me because it took some time to get to the start line. Saw a lot of friends and had a lot of fun - it was a great way to start the year :)

TransMonk
Jan 03 2011 08:22 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Sweet...I was waiting for the new thread to get involved in the AP Running crowd.

I'll reiterate that my goal is to run 1000 miles (actually 1610 kilometers) this year. You can follow me on RunKeeper

Gained a couple of lbs over the holidays...time to kick it in and burn that off.

themetfairy
Jan 03 2011 10:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Sweet...I was waiting for the new thread to get involved in the AP Running crowd.

I'll reiterate that my goal is to run 1000 miles (actually 1610 kilometers) this year. You can follow me on RunKeeper

Gained a couple of lbs over the holidays...time to kick it in and burn that off.


Best of luck TM!

I can tell you, that's a lot of miles. Some will be more enjoyable than others. But hopefully you'll keep on logging them, and reach your goal :)

metsmarathon
Jan 03 2011 10:52 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

for some reason, 20 miles per week sounds less daunting than 83 miles per month.

i don't think i've got a mileage target this year. i'm more worried about pace, and getting it way the fuck down. i saw in runners world a marathon training plan that has you run a max long run of 16 miles. while i'm a little skeptical, it intrigues me. it should allow you to keep up a harder pace/effort level throughout training, but i'm worried about the next 10 miles. getting up to 20 miles, those last 6 are a bear, and to think about nearly doubling the "new mileage" sounds fairly absurd to me.

i've got some time to think about it yet, of course. i wouldn't need to start any actual marathon training program until summer. in the meantime, it's all about getting back.

well, that and running a half marathon this weekend.

themetfairy
Jan 03 2011 11:01 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Say hi to the large rodent for me mm :)

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I'm not tracking the mileage this year. And I'm happy about it. There were a lot of times I'd put in junk miles for the log, even when they weren't appropriate for me.

Yesterday was a good example of why it's better for me not to log. I'm fighting off a cold, and I decided to do a walk/run workout on the treadmill rather than running. Last year I wouldn't have made that choice because it would have bothered me not to be able to have mileage to record, but since that wasn't a concern yesterday I was able to do the workout that fit my needs better. It'll also make me more open to different cross-training options that are probably better for me in the long run.

Then again, I'm not training for a marathon this year. I have the Empire State Building Run Up in 29 days, the NYC Half Marathon in March, the Broad Street Run (a mere 10 miles) in May, and the New York Mini 10K in June. After that, I have no plan. I think I'll probably keep things to 10K or less after that point, though, unless there is a really big Team McGraw event that coerces me into running more than that.

metsguyinmichigan
Jan 03 2011 12:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I've decided to bump up my treadmill speed a little bit, shifting from 6.7 mph to 7 even, with the same 65 minutes. I've been at that same speed for a long time and wanted to see if I could work a little harder. It will bring me from 7.25 mi to 7.6 mi. Another five minutes brings me over 8 miles.

Trying to keep to a minimum of five days a week, but will try to get six in most weeks.

Loving the new shoes! What a difference.

themetfairy
Jan 03 2011 12:32 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I've decided to bump up my treadmill speed a little bit, shifting from 6.7 mph to 7 even, with the same 65 minutes. I've been at that same speed for a long time and wanted to see if I could work a little harder. It will bring me from 7.25 mi to 7.6 mi. Another five minutes brings me over 8 miles.

Trying to keep to a minimum of five days a week, but will try to get six in most weeks.

Loving the new shoes! What a difference.


WTG michigan! And yes, new shoes can make a world of difference.

D-Dad says that I have a special smile that I only have when I'm trying on runners and find a pair that fits really well. I guess I'm a Sports Shoe Cinderella

Fman99
Jan 03 2011 08:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
Sweet...I was waiting for the new thread to get involved in the AP Running crowd.

I'll reiterate that my goal is to run 1000 miles (actually 1610 kilometers) this year. You can follow me on RunKeeper

Gained a couple of lbs over the holidays...time to kick it in and burn that off.


TM and I are RunKeeper teammates now... cool!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 05 2011 11:05 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Today's the day I finally trade in my beat-up Asics 2140s.

I've logged 847.8 miles on this pair. It will be a bittersweet parting as my feet/ankle killed me for so many of those miles, though I can't say for sure that the shoes had all that much to do with it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 05 2011 08:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 05 2011 08:40 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Today's the day I finally trade in my beat-up Asics 2140s.

I've logged 847.8 miles on this pair. It will be a bittersweet parting as my feet/ankle killed me for so many of those miles, though I can't say for sure that the shoes had all that much to do with it.


Hey so I went in to Jackrabbit today today and came out with my first-ever pair of Brooks, the Adrenaline GTS 11.

I tried out 4 pairs of comparable stability shoes on the treadmill and it was between the Brooks and the updated model of my old kicks, the Asics GT 2160s. I wanted to like the Mizuno's he brought out but they had a terrible fit at the toes and the Saucony felt too chunky. In the end I thought I'd try the Brooks, they are definitely lighter and less stiff than Asics, even though I have to get them a half-size larger, and it remains to be seen whether lighter and less stiff are actually good for me.

Anyway, they will take 'em back up to 14 days, and I will run in them for the first time tomorrow.



sorry about the full-size poster.

themetfairy
Jan 05 2011 08:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Best of luck with the new shoes JCL!

TransMonk
Jan 06 2011 07:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I bought the Adrenaline GTS 10's last summer and they are great.

metsmarathon
Jan 06 2011 07:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i had them a few years back. i liked the toe-off on the asics better; it seemed a smoother transition.

themetfairy
Jan 06 2011 07:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Damn! NYRR updated their 2011 Race Calendar, and there's no Run to Citi Field's Home Plate.

There also aren't any great races that strike me as great CPF Running Club meet-ups. So we should all keep our eyes open for runs that look like good ones for the group.

Fman99
Jan 06 2011 07:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
Damn! NYRR updated their 2011 Race Calendar, and there's no Run to Citi Field's Home Plate.

There also aren't any great races that strike me as great CPF Running Club meet-ups. So we should all keep our eyes open for runs that look like good ones for the group.


What are we looking for? If it's in the NY/NJ Metro area, I'd say something on a Saturday or (preferably) Sunday morning, a 5k, decent but not hugely sized turnout -- maybe in the 100-500 runners range...

themetfairy
Jan 06 2011 07:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Damn! NYRR updated their 2011 Race Calendar, and there's no Run to Citi Field's Home Plate.

There also aren't any great races that strike me as great CPF Running Club meet-ups. So we should all keep our eyes open for runs that look like good ones for the group.


What are we looking for? If it's in the NY/NJ Metro area, I'd say something on a Saturday or (preferably) Sunday morning, a 5k, decent but not hugely sized turnout -- maybe in the 100-500 runners range...


In a nutshell, yes.

themetfairy
Jan 06 2011 08:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

We could think about the Lincoln Tunnel 5K Challenge on April 17th.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 06 2011 09:11 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Bam. Started off tentatively and slow just to get a feel for the new shoes but settled in after a bit and ran pretty well. Biggest difference by far was running with some tread on the tires again. Helped also that there was almost no wind despite the chill. Turned out I finished my regular route in the second fastest time I'd recorded in the post-achilles tenonitis era, so a good start for those shoes.

I could do Lincoln tunnel, maybe.

themetfairy
Jan 07 2011 07:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm glad the new shoes are working out.

If we get a group for the Lincoln Tunnel, we should get those CPF Running Club Shirts made. JCL - how did you guys get the Meet the Jens shirts made last year?

Fman99
Jan 07 2011 11:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

For those who use it, or want to try it, the RunKeeper Pro version for the iPhone is free for all of January (usually priced at $10).

Ceetar
Jan 07 2011 11:28 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:
For those who use it, or want to try it, the RunKeeper Pro version for the iPhone is free for all of January (usually priced at $10).


I downloaded the free Android version the other day.

metsmarathon
Jan 07 2011 07:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm a lot more worried about a 2:15 half than I should be. But I'm fighting a killer cold, haven't trained, and my butt is still sore.

Sigh.

By about 8:15 tomorrow morning, it'll be over. Yay!

In the meantime, I shall console myself with the thought that noone will out-snotrocket me tomorrow!

themetfairy
Jan 07 2011 07:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Feel better mm, and say hi to that large rodent for me!

Fman99
Jan 07 2011 08:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
I'm a lot more worried about a 2:15 half than I should be. But I'm fighting a killer cold, haven't trained, and my butt is still sore.

Sigh.

By about 8:15 tomorrow morning, it'll be over. Yay!

In the meantime, I shall console myself with the thought that noone will out-snotrocket me tomorrow!


Good luck coach!

metsmarathon
Jan 08 2011 10:21 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Was aiming for 2:15, came in around 2:20:40. I'm not sure it would have been possible to go much faster without literally throwing people out of our way

The field was expanded from prior years, to 27k in the half. And they instituted tome cockamaime quantum wave start where each of 8 corrals each got their own start, with 4 minutes between each.

I think that caused the crowds to be even worse. Whereas in the past, with larger starts, the bottlenecks would open up afterwards, and there'd be room to run, instead the bottlenecks just slowed traffic enough, and jammed it up so that you were locked in place.

We didn't really get room to run our own pace until maybe 8 miles in! And by that time, we'd actually expended so much effort holding back and staying in the crowd, and lost so much time, that we couldn't make up any ground.

Health-wise, I felt miserable the whole time. Well, not miserable, but yucky. Constant runny nose, coughing. Good stuff. Ran with either minty gum or halls cough drops the whole time.
But it wanst a factor in my day really. My butt was mostly well behaved, but did threaten to hurt at times. As I type, I remind myself to stretch as soon as I put down the blackberry. And the lack of training was a total non factor. I hate to say it, but I probably could've gone 20 today at thet pace. Prolly not a full 26, but it was no sweat, for all intents.

Mrs.mm was pushing herself good at the end. We'd used up a lot of energy in the crowds, so she was starting to feel it the last 3 miles. But I pushed her, and she pushed herself to keep going. Once we got into epcot, she turned it up despite the protestations of her body, and kicked in a good finish.

Shortly after getting our medals, we were greeted by a bemused minimm, and the marathon-in-laws. They run the full tomorrow

That's it. Time to stretch.

And nap.
.

Rockin' Doc
Jan 08 2011 10:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Good job and nice report.

themetfairy
Jan 08 2011 11:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG mm & mrs.mm!

Good luck to the mms-in-law tomorrow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 08 2011 01:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 08 2011 02:28 PM

good job mm. I ran my longest course in 2 years today, brooklyn to queens to manhattan back to brooklyn, 10.8 miles in 1:36, not bad for me, especially since I froze my face and feet about halfway in.

Fman99
Jan 08 2011 01:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice job fellas!

There's an 11 PM 'fun run' of 4 miles or so tonight down at the local Lights on the Lake holiday display. It's the same course I run on all summer at the local park. I am unlikely to go unless the Jets game is well decided one way or the other as they should be playing until close to start time.

I did run 14 miles this week on the treadmill so it's all good.

themetfairy
Jan 08 2011 02:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice job guys!

themetfairy
Jan 19 2011 06:35 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Oops!

themetfairy
Jan 31 2011 09:18 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I have the Empire State Building Run Up tomorrow. I understand that Darryl Strawberry is running it also.

I'll let y'all know if I pass him on the stairway ;)

metsmarathon
Jan 31 2011 09:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

y'know, without giving it much contemplation, running up the esb sounds like a more challenging task than running a marathon. it certainly is a lot more unique.

good luck tomorrow!

themetfairy
Jan 31 2011 09:59 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
y'know, without giving it much contemplation, running up the esb sounds like a more challenging task than running a marathon. it certainly is a lot more unique.

good luck tomorrow!


Unique is the thing.

I think of it like hitting for the cycle. It's more of an oddity than anything else, and it sounds more impressive than it actually is.

But there will be cool bling at the top, and it should be fun. Thanks for the well wishes :)

Fman99
Jan 31 2011 06:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran 6.6 miles on the treadmill today in one hour. The goal is to double that over time so that I can run a sub-2 hour half marathon in October.

In the interim I logged 66.8 miles this past month, my runniest month ever. Feeling great, too.

themetfairy
Jan 31 2011 07:09 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work Fman!

metsmarathon
Jan 31 2011 08:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i've run a whopping 31.7 miles this month. i think. i think i ran the tuesday prior to the half, but i totally can't remember, and i forgot to write it down. if not, i only ran about 28 miles. sheesh, that's not a lot.

Rockin' Doc
Jan 31 2011 09:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran 4.51 miles in 35 minutes today. That gave me a total of 64.49 miles for the month of January. Definitely the most I've run in a month.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 31 2011 09:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

70 miles in January for me. Only 7 of them were indoors!

metsguyinmichigan
Feb 01 2011 06:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I keep track of the miles each day, but never added them up over a month. Worked out to 195.42. I usually do 7.6 a day, though there were a couple 8.20s in there and a couple 6.0s. Ran 26 days.

Sadly, all were indoors. Not ready for snow running!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 01 2011 06:18 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I keep track of the miles each day, but never added them up over a month. Worked out to 195.42. I usually do 7.6 a day, though there were a couple 8.20s in there and a couple 6.0s. Ran 26 days.

Sadly, all were indoors. Not ready for snow running!


holy god

TransMonk
Feb 01 2011 07:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I put 88.2 kilometers (54.8 miles) in on the treadmill in January.

Fuck yeah!

metsmarathon
Feb 01 2011 07:21 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

most i've ever done that i know of was 194.9. i can't fathom doing that all indoors.

metsmarathon
Feb 01 2011 11:45 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i'm now signed up for hte unite rutgers half marathon. and of course, i thought right after i signed up, "hey, i should check when the lincoln tunnel run is!"

yeah, they're the same day.

i'm a little bummed, because i honestly do like the lincoln tunnel challenge, but i've soured on it of late. don't get me wrong- it's a really cool thing to run under the hudson, and if you're in the first start, it's a great race to do. but to be in the first start, you have to run sub-25. if you don't they threaten to escort you to the finish to get you out of the way of the second start.

sub 25 is a fairly small field, and the course can be really fast despite the inclines at either end. and its always great running weather inside the tubes.

but the 25+ field is immense. and about halfway into the tunnel, the course constricts to one-lane wide. and without a seeded or graduated corral, its really just a jumble of people with a lot of walkers and joggers clogging the front. no offense to slower runners and joggers and walkers, i love you and all, and i totally encourage you to run more races and be more active and fit and healthy, but seriously, you should not be in the front of the pack lining up for the start. you may think it's cool to be all the way up at the starting line, but you are literally ruining the race for everyone behind you. please be considerate! ahem... yeah... its just too much of a jumble to be enjoyable. particularly for mrs.mm who can tend to get claustrophobic in crowds, and for me, because i'd like to run with her after running in the first wave, but in crowds i get aggressive and jittery.

and then, after the course is supposed to have constricted down, you've still got the back of the pack spreading out into the oncoming lane of people running the second half of the course back from new york into new jersey. narrowly avoiding head-on collisions, whee! this can be a problem in the first wave as well, but not quite as badly. two years ago i ran it, and made a point to run the second half just on my side of the double yellow line. i figured, at 6-1, 195 lbs, running a 7:00 mile pace, and yelling for people to keep right, i'd be something people would want to get out of the way of. i was mostly right. i ddin't run into anyone, happily, but i narrowly did miss one or two obstructionist fucks.

in truth, it doesn't help that the last time we ran it was two years ago, and it was the first time they'd done the split start, and also anne was carrying around a minimm the size of a large berry. we might feel differently about it now, but we're also a the point where a race that actively frustrates us is one we might not want to do.

it's actually why we're doing rutgers. we don't really feel like doing long branch again. not that it frustrates or annoys us, but that we just don't really enjoy the course all that much, having run it plenty, and are looking for something new.

themetfairy
Feb 01 2011 12:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Maybe we'll have a CPF Lincoln Tunnel Challenge in 2012 :)

Rutgers is a nice course - enjoy it. Perhaps I'll volunteer that day :)

Meanwhile, I finished the Empire State Building Run-Up in 22:52. I had a great time. I hear that Darryl Strawberry pulled out of the race because he was afraid to compete against me :)

metsmarathon
Feb 01 2011 12:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

how did the training compare with the thing itself?

and, y'know, since we're all running so darned much, why are we limiting ourselves to a 5k? lets do a CPF half marathon! go big or go home!

metsguyinmichigan
Feb 01 2011 12:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
most i've ever done that i know of was 194.9. i can't fathom doing that all indoors.


It's not too bad. I go for 65 minutes most days, watching an episode of an hour-long drama on DVD (which takes 42 minutes) an then listening to the iPod for the rest of the time. Just finished all seven seasons of "West Wing." Now I'm watching my daughter's "Warehouse 13" series, which is pretty good.

I like running outdoors, but I'm just afraid to do it in the winter. Part of that is because I run in the morning, and its dark here at that time. And the ice scares me. The spokesman for the state Education Department is an avid runner, and last year he slipped on ice and broke his ankle. Another friend runs with little ice spikes on his shoes. If we lived in a warmer climate....

This past summer I discovered running on an rails-to-trails park near my house, and it's perfect! Running through the woods, no cars to worry about, and the trail goes alongside the minor-league ballpark here. A lap around the park is about 8 miles, which I do in about an hour and 15 minutes.

I can't wait for the thaw so I can get out there again.

themetfairy
Feb 01 2011 01:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
how did the training compare with the thing itself?

and, y'know, since we're all running so darned much, why are we limiting ourselves to a 5k? lets do a CPF half marathon! go big or go home!


The Stair Master isn't the same as real stairs, but I think it did a reasonably good job of preparing me for the event. After all of the continuous climbing with the Stair Master, it was nice getting a break between floors - mentally, I found it a lot easier to tick off the floors during the real race. My endurance was good, and the mental fatigue really didn't kick in until close to the end (at which point I was just counting down the floors, which made the process go pretty quickly). I was tired at the end, but felt very good overall.

No - the NYC Half is going to be my last half marathon. You younguns can keep doing the distance racing, but I need to start taking things down a notch. A CPF 5K will suit me much better (plus we could convince D-Dad and some other people to partake in a 5K, but likely not anything longer than that).

Rockin' Doc
Feb 01 2011 06:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I could never run as much as mgim does. My knees started balking a little last week. They don't hurt and it doesn't effect my running, but my knees have started making popping sounds sometimes when I move certain ways. It has had a psychological effect on me in that I have cut back the distance of my runs because I'm a little concerned about doing damage to my knees. I'm going to keep running, but if my knees start hurting I'll probably have to stop until I see my orthopedic surgeon.

Has anyone else experienced this and is it something to worry about?

themetfairy
Feb 01 2011 06:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I could never run as much as mgim does. My knees started balking a little last week. They don't hurt and it doesn't effect my running, but my knees have started making popping sounds sometimes when I move certain ways. It has had a psychological effect on me in that I have cut back the distance of my runs because I'm a little concerned about doing damage to my knees. I'm going to keep running, but if my knees start hurting I'll probably have to stop until I see my orthopedic surgeon.

Has anyone else experienced this and is it something to worry about?


My left knee used to be pretty "crunchy". My doctor gave me exercises to strengthen my quads, and that has taken a lot of pressure off of the knees. I haven't had this issue in at least five years.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 01 2011 07:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I've had both knees scoped and they get creaky sometimes. Often I find 15 minutes on the bike is just the thing for them, the knees like motion.

But yeah, even if what's bothering your knees requires surgery, they are still going to ask you to get your quads, hammies and calves in shape as a means of taking pressure off the knees.

themetfairy
Feb 01 2011 07:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Hey - look who showed up on the NYRR.org website -

Fman99
Feb 01 2011 07:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
how did the training compare with the thing itself?

and, y'know, since we're all running so darned much, why are we limiting ourselves to a 5k? lets do a CPF half marathon! go big or go home!


The Stair Master isn't the same as real stairs, but I think it did a reasonably good job of preparing me for the event. After all of the continuous climbing with the Stair Master, it was nice getting a break between floors - mentally, I found it a lot easier to tick off the floors during the real race. My endurance was good, and the mental fatigue really didn't kick in until close to the end (at which point I was just counting down the floors, which made the process go pretty quickly). I was tired at the end, but felt very good overall.

No - the NYC Half is going to be my last half marathon. You younguns can keep doing the distance racing, but I need to start taking things down a notch. A CPF 5K will suit me much better (plus we could convince D-Dad and some other people to partake in a 5K, but likely not anything longer than that).


I agree -- for me, anyway, potentially coming in from out of town, a shorter race is more doable for me.

metsguyinmichigan
Feb 01 2011 08:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

That's awesome, Fairy!!!! You do so many cool things!

themetfairy
Feb 01 2011 08:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Is anyone interested in getting a team together to Climb to the Top of 30 Rock?

themetfairy
Feb 01 2011 08:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
That's awesome, Fairy!!!! You do so many cool things!


Thanks michigan :)

I'm trying to get to all of my Bucket List events now that I'm in the best shape of my life

themetfairy
Feb 03 2011 11:10 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc
Feb 05 2011 12:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I appreciate the feedback regarding my suddenly creaking knees. I have been trying to give them a little break so I have been lifting weights, but have avoided the treadmill for a few days. My knees haven't made any "Rice Krispie" sounds since Thursday evening, so I figured I would try running today and see what happens. I ran a pretty comfortable 5.25 miles in 40 minutes and felt great. It will be interesting to see what type of noises my knees start making tonight and tomorrow. Silence would be a welcomed return to the normal.

Fman99
Feb 05 2011 07:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I've developed a fairly consistent treadmill routine this winter...

Mondays -- long distance (6-7 miles and stretching it out further)
Tuesday -- a 5k sprint
Thursday -- intervals, alternating between 6.6 MPH and higher speeds up to about 8.5 MPH, a quarter mile at a time, for 30 minutes
Friday -- an easy 30 minutes at 6.6 MPH

That 6.6 MPH number is my two hour half marathon pace, I think I can keep that pace up for that long without too much strain.

themetfairy
Feb 05 2011 07:32 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

RD - fingers crossed for the Sounds of Silence.

Fman - that seems like a reasonable, sustainable schedule.

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 08 2011 06:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Got off to a fast start with the running in 2k11, then tore my effin calf about a week and a half ago. Been on crutches/canes since. Exercise for me lately has been hobbling around Trader Joes. Suxxx.

themetfairy
Feb 08 2011 07:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ouch!

Feel better Seo. Any estimate on how long you'll be on the DL?

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 08 2011 08:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thx, tmf. Not sure how long I'm shelved, but I'm hoping for normal walking by 3-ish weeks? First 2 docs were money-wasting, time-wasting idiots, so really don't know.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 08 2011 09:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Damn. I wish you a complete and speedy recovery Seo.

metsmarathon
Feb 08 2011 09:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

eesh. how badly torn? i had a bad calf pull a while back, and a few lesser ones since. can't recall my recovery offhand, but it was not quick. i did still run a marathon (or maybe just a half) that year, but my training was surely affected.

Fman99
Feb 09 2011 04:10 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Sorry to hear that ABNS. Hope you mend speedily.

metsguyinmichigan
Feb 09 2011 04:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ouch! Hang in there, Seo!

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 09 2011 12:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

There was bruising where i felt the pain in the calf, and heavy purple bruising underneath by my instep and ankle, where the doc sez the blood from the tear/fray/whatever would've settled. had 2 bad doctors (neither wanted to take a picture) and kinda over the whole experience honestly. It's hurt like hell, but seems to be healing nicely. Rest. Elevate. Ice. All the classic, old skool shit. Still hobbling around, but much more mobility the last couple days. Feeling optimistic. Shooting for a late-Feb return to wiffleball action, then go from there.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 09 2011 05:55 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Hang in there, seo. You'll be tossing the crutches soon enough.

I decided to shorten my run tonight in order to save some wear and tear on my knees. I have noticed of late that my stride actually seems smoother and lighter when I pick up the pace to between (8.4 to 8.8 mph). My stride is much shorter and heavier when I run at my usual pace (7.4-8.0 mph). I decided that I'd cut my run to 25 minutes and see if I could improve on my personal best of 22:50 for 5K. I took off at 8.4 mph with a target time of 22:30 in mind. I hit the 1 mile mark at 7:16 and was feeling strong. I kept cruising on and hit the 2 mile mark at 14:31 and felt better than I ever would have anticipated. I picked up the pace mildly when I hit the 18 minute mark so that I hit 3 miles at 21:35. I cruised on and made the 5K mark in a personal best of 22:17. I then slowed down a little to finish out my 25 minute run with a total distance of 3.48 miles in 25 minutes.

Some days my runs are very tiring and on other days (like today) the running just seems to be easier and less tiring. My knees are a little stiff right now, but otherwise I feel great. I want to again thank my "cyber running partners" of the CPF that inspired me to get out there and run. Without reading of your successes along your individual journeys, I likely wouldn't have started running and I most assuredly would not have stuck with it for long. My past history over the past 20 years are a testament to that fact. Thanks to all of you for your inspiration, encouragement, and support.

themetfairy
Feb 09 2011 06:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG RD.

Some days are better than others. The sloggy runs make you appreciate the good ones all the more.

And yes - having a support network definitely makes the sloggy days easier to weather :)

metsmarathon
Feb 09 2011 09:04 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

an important lesson i learn from every one of my muscle pulls - hammy, quad, calf - is when you're ready to start running on it again... give it another week.

and i'm sure i'll teach myself that same lesson the next time, too.

good luck, seo. it sucks being on the shelf, but hang in there! the better you allow yourself to heal, the less likely it'll recur.

...

one of the cool things you learn when you run is that when you go faster, it's easier. well, it's more efficient. it's like you're cruising. and then once you find that pace, going slower feels like you're holding yourself back. it's awesome finding your cruise. suddenly running makes sense, and your body tells your mind, 'see, this isn't so scary, is it?'

themetfairy
Feb 11 2011 09:00 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I put in 10 miles on the treadmill today. It's the longest I've run since the Marathon, and I feel great :)

I'm planning to make this my longest training run leading up the next month's NYC Half Marathon. I know that five weeks out is a bit early for that, but I'm doing the Climb to the Top of 30 Rockefeller Center in two weeks, and I need my legs to be semi-rested for that climb.

So this marks my final 10-mile training run ever. The only other times I plan on running this distance will be at the NYC Half and at the Broad Street Run. After that, I'm planning on keeping my runs to 10K or less, with the occasional exception for a cool race like Bay to Breakers one day.

I'm feeling good, and looking forward to retiring from distance running on a high note :)

Rockin' Doc
Feb 16 2011 08:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The realization that running faster seems to put less stress on my knees has caused me to mildly change my running schedule. I run a little less frequently, but by running faster I am able to keep my mileage up and my knees seem to be doing fine. I knocked out a quick 30 minute run after my lifting this evening. I covered the 5K in 22:45 then kept pushing so that I did a personal best of 4.09 miles in 30 minutes.

I have decided that my next running goal is to run 8 miles in an hour later this year. I also want to drop 5 more pounds by June.

themetfairy
Feb 16 2011 08:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work RD!

metsmarathon
Feb 17 2011 01:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i had a nice run today. the weather was simply beautiful. i started out way overdressed with a longsleeve t over a shortsleeve t, but after 2 miles, i took it off and tied it around my waist - much better! its always so hard to adjust to wild temperature swings and dress properly.

i ran 5 miles at a comfortably-hard-for-me-now 8:08 pace. i started to lose focus big time in the middle of mile 4, but snapped back into the run once i realized i was doing it. i'm not sore afterwards or anything, just tired. well, my unhealing butt is sore, but that's a bit of a different beast. i could whine, i suppose, but, damn, it felt good to just get out and run. can't wait until tomorrow's even nicer weather!

themetfairy
Feb 17 2011 02:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I can tell you from experience, glutes take forever to heal. I don't think that mine will ever be 100% again, but at least it isn't stopping me from anything.

And yes - running again in this kind of weather is a true joy!

Fman99
Feb 17 2011 03:57 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Couldn't agree more. Banged out a speedy (for me) 26:04 3.5 miles today at the park and was comfortable in sweatpants and a long sleeve tech shirt. Only my hands were cold for the first 10 minutes or so.

Supposed to be a whopping 52 tomorrow, may get one more nice run in before it turns back to winter.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 17 2011 05:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

My foot/ankle started giving me the same old shit again last week after a few months of little to no troubles. So far it hasn't stopped me but my times have been slower the last 3 times out.

I know the warmer weather is nice but I'll be on my way out the door later tonight and won't know how to dress. I almost prefer it in the 30s when you know you'll need the layers and the earflaps and the gloves.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 19 2011 10:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Bumped up the weight on most of my lifting stations today. Will likely be sore tomorrow. Then hit the treadmill and popped off 6.19 miles in 45 minutes today.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 19 2011 10:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

slow down, man, you're making me look bad.

Doesn't look like I'm gonna run outside today, winds are 35mph.

metsmarathon
Feb 19 2011 10:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

yeah, i think the winds today would knock over.

plus, y'know, 32ºF feels like 24ºF isn't much of a draw either.

metsmarathon
Feb 19 2011 09:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

oh god.

minimm is running.

well, ok. right now he's sleeping. but the damned kid had both feet in the air midstride, which a) disqualifies you in a race-walk, and b) qualifies as a run, especially when you tack a bunch of 'em together down a hallway.

crap. now we need to pad the walls. for their protection, not his. the kid is way more resillient than gypsum.

themetfairy
Feb 19 2011 09:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

He'll be beating me in 5K's in no time....

Fman99
Feb 19 2011 09:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I ran 3.5 miles outside each of Thursday and Friday, and it was beautiful out there. Even with the headwind and a near 30 minute time yesterday, I was just so enthralled to have pleasant temperatures out there.

Today? It was about 20 out with snow squalls and winds of about 30 mph. Welcome to Syracuse.

themetfairy
Feb 20 2011 09:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

My regular 5K route has been impassable since Christmas, but I decided to give it a try this morning. In the first mile I had to duck under and jump over a few obstacles, and there was one extended patch of iced slush that I had to walk, but after that it was smooth sailing. It felt really good to be back out there, ice and cold wind and all :)

Fman99
Feb 20 2011 08:23 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Yay, found a 5k just east of Orlando the Sunday morning after I arrive in Florida. Not more than 5 minutes from one of the hotels I was considering, in fact. Sweet.

Can't seem to find anything near my aunt's house in Maryland the weekend we're going down there for Passover.

Currently registered for a 4 mile race, a 10 miler, two 5ks, one 10k, one 15k and a half marathon, with another bunch of races that I am tentatively going to run. Signing up for these things definitely is helping me get through a Syracuse winter on the treadmill.

themetfairy
Feb 22 2011 10:02 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The NYRR's CPF Run!

We can't do it this year - it's the same date as the Rutgers Half Marathon. But we should keep an eye out for it on next year's calendar. Unless they re-institute the Run to Home Plate at Citi Field, this might be a good run for us to do next year :)

metsmarathon
Feb 22 2011 10:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

nice! yeah, we'll hafta keep an eye on that for next year.

man, that's a busy running day, isn't it? cpf run, rutgers half, lincoln tunnel. i'm just glad my hometown 5k isn't on that same day. its the next weekend.

...

it's fucking cold out today. i had packed for about a 30 degree day. it's low 20s right now. i was only planning on going 3-4 miles, but that's plenty long enough when your arms freeze off. looks like i'll be pushing off till tomorrow, i suppose, when i have a chance of being better prepared. yeah, i prolly shoudla checked the weather forecast last night or this morning... tomorrow should be warmer, too. yay, 38!

themetfairy
Feb 22 2011 10:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

It would be so cool to run that one in CPF shirts :)

I made today a treadmill day. 4 miles. I'm going to mini-taper until Sunday's stair race at 30 Rockefeller Center, and then continue an extended taper until the NYC Half on March 20th.

TransMonk
Feb 22 2011 10:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm fighting through a bit of fatigue as my routine got interuptted by my vacation. It takes all I have in me to complete what I was doing pretty easily before I took a week off.

I got my Garmin Forerunner 305 delivered today, so that excites me. I'm ready to be running around outside.

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 22 2011 12:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
I'm fighting through a bit of fatigue as my routine got interuptted by my vacation. It takes all I have in me to complete what I was doing pretty easily before I took a week off.

I got my Garmin Forerunner 305 delivered today, so that excites me. I'm ready to be running around outside.


A week ain't so bad. I'm 3+ weeks now with no running and feeling slothy and shitty all the time. Miss running. Sit-ups and weights I've been doing lately. Feeling like a bad-ass meathead bro. Might have to buy a truck and then lift that shit, bam, what? you want some of this shit?!

Yall are kicking ass, I'm rooting for ya...

themetfairy
Feb 27 2011 10:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011



Here I am, at the top of 30 Rock. 66 floors completed in 16 minutes even!

They should have given out much larger bling for that....

metsmarathon
Feb 27 2011 11:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

nice work!

themetfairy
Feb 27 2011 11:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks mm :)

themetfairy
Feb 28 2011 12:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Mar 01 2011 09:43 AM

I climbed to the top of 30 Rockefeller Center, and all I got was this lousy key chain!

metsguyinmichigan
Feb 28 2011 01:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm LOVING seeing MF's medals. Such cool designs!

I can't wait to get back outside to run again.

I had a treadmill accident last week, trying to multitask while running, Bad idea. My students actually had a pool going to see what I was doing to inspire the fall. (It was trying to set up the laptop.)

Going to be in New York for a conference on March 18 and 19. I'm up near Teachers College at Columbia University, but I think the hotel is lower. I'd love to run through or around Central Park in the morning!

themetfairy
Feb 28 2011 01:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks michigan, and I hope you're feeling better soon!

Can you stay in New York through the 20th? That's the day I run the NYC Half Marathon (which largely takes place in Central Park ).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 28 2011 09:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

7 miles tonite to wrap up February with 67.67 miles, not bad considering the weather, a biz trip and another wonky ankle episode.

the battery in my stopwatch radio thingy died midrun, with a strong breeze at my back for the 1st couple miles tonite and cool but not cold weather, I imagined I was on a record course pace, but I've had that feeling before and been wrong.

metsmarathon
Feb 28 2011 09:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i like the crazy little people running up the outside of the building. it makes it seem like there was an added element of danger to the whole thing!

TransMonk
Mar 01 2011 07:10 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I put in 34.8 miles (56 km) in February bringing my 2011 total up to 89.48 miles (144 km).

It was a short month and I took a week off for vacation, but I'm steadily building up my endurance. I can now consistantly run 8 km at a time without stopping.

I hope to take it outdoors within the next couple of weeks.

themetfairy
Mar 01 2011 07:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work Lunchie and TM!

Yes mm - that's a cute design. And it's nicely enlarged by my lens; you have to really squint to see it on the keychain....

themetfairy
Mar 01 2011 09:44 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I climbed to the top of 30 Rockefeller Center, and all I got was this lousy key chain!



Here's the back of the key chain/medal -

Fman99
Mar 01 2011 06:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I ran my fastest treadmill 5k yet today, 22:47. Just 3 seconds slower than my fastest race time. I was able to maintain an 8.2 MPH sprint for that amount of time, with a speed-up at the end.

This week is the local Shamrock Run, a very hilly 4 miler in downtown Syracuse that is a popular local event. Looking forward to it, and hoping that the weather gives us a break.

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 01 2011 07:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Jeez, man. Serious pace. I thought of all you guys as I limp/jogged about 100 yards today. I've ridden a bike and gone on a small, easy hike, but running hurts too much. Soon, I hope.

Keep up the good work everyone. I get really jealous and hate all of you the tiniest bit, but it's making me very very eager to run again soon.

Fman99
Mar 01 2011 07:23 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Jeez, man. Serious pace. I thought of all you guys as I limp/jogged about 100 yards today. I've ridden a bike and gone on a small, easy hike, but running hurts too much. Soon, I hope.

Keep up the good work everyone. I get really jealous and hate all of you the tiniest bit, but it's making me very very eager to run again soon.


Hey, hope you're back out there sooner than later bro.

themetfairy
Mar 01 2011 07:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work Fman, and best of luck with the Shamrock!

Seo - even hobbling, I'm sure you're still faster than I am ;)

themetfairy
Mar 02 2011 10:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I promise this is my last photo of the key chain/medal from the Climb to the Top. But here it is, next to the medal from the Empire State Building Run-Up -



Size matters....

metsmarathon
Mar 02 2011 12:12 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

the buildings almost kinda look to be about the same size....

themetfairy
Mar 02 2011 03:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
the buildings almost kinda look to be about the same size....


The ESB's extra 361 steps can be found on the bottom....

themetfairy
Mar 03 2011 08:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
i like the crazy little people running up the outside of the building. it makes it seem like there was an added element of danger to the whole thing!


I did a close-up crop of them just for you -



(So much for the promise that the side-by-side photo was the last photo of this medal. But with the close-up, I think that I'm now tapped out with this as a photo subject.)

Rockin' Doc
Mar 05 2011 10:52 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I had a great workout this morning. I cruised through my lifting without much difficulty. Stretched and headed to the treadmill for a 45 minute run. I maintained a solid pace at 8.2-8.4 mph for the first 39 minutes then kicked it in at 8.5 mph for 5 minutes and 8.8 for the final minute. I did a personal best for 10K with a time of 44:48 and finished with 6.22 miles for the 45 minutes.

I feel good and my knees haven't really bothered me since I started running with a faster pace and a little less frequently. I'm cruising toward my goal of 8.0 (or more) miles in 60 minutes.

themetfairy
Mar 05 2011 11:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG RD!

metsmarathon
Mar 05 2011 11:54 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

nice work! for the record, that's faster than my official 10k pr by about 4 minutes.

its 60 degrees out. i'm really hoping minimm naps long enough for me to get a run in today!

Rockin' Doc
Mar 05 2011 03:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Well, I have thus done all my running indoors on the treadmill. I still need to take it outside (away from the climate controlled environment) and see how my times translate into real life.
the one time I ventured out into the heat (last July) it didn't go so well and it was a very discouraging experience. I really need to find a suitable place to run. I don't like running on the edge of the highways around where I live. I may see if I can get on the rubberized track near my house.

Fman99
Mar 05 2011 05:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Today I ran my first ever longer-than-5k race and finished a very hilly 4 miles in 32:57. Weather was cool and overcast, but the rain held off until after I had finished. Big crowd, too, nearly over 2600 runners.

Finished 542nd, and 44th out of 137 men in my age bracket. I was hoping to run it in under 32 minutes, and I was on a good pace hitting the two mile mark at 15:45, but the third mile was all uphill and it took more than nine minutes for me to get through it.

themetfairy
Mar 05 2011 08:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice job Fman!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 06 2011 03:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Realized while starting my run that the pouring rain would render the Brooklyn Bridge relatively tourist-free today so made a mid-course decision to take it rather than the Manhattan. Normal Sundays the thing is a parking lot. Really tired in the late going but covered 11.5 miles, my longest run in a couple years prolly.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2011 03:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

You're ready for a half marathon Lunchie.

Any in the plans?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 06 2011 04:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Yeah, been ready for a half for awhile now. Brooklyn (Prospect Park to Coney Island) is in May, I think I will try that one.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2011 05:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Brooklyn reached capacity a couple of days after registration opened.

If you want to do a NYRR half this year, you will need to monitor when registrations open. If you run 4 NYRR halfs this year you can automatically qualify for the 2012 NYC Half Marathon, so the registrations are closing out more quickly than in the past.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2011 05:09 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

There's a half at Freakin' Rutgers next month.

I'm not running it this year, but I think I'll be there as a volunteer. And mm is running it.

It's a nice course - basically flat, except for a couple of bridges, and there's a nice party at the end on the College Avenue campus.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 06 2011 05:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
Brooklyn reached capacity a couple of days after registration opened.

If you want to do a NYRR half this year, you will need to monitor when registrations open. If you run 4 NYRR halfs this year you can automatically qualify for the 2012 NYC Half Marathon, so the registrations are closing out more quickly than in the past.


yeah well, too bad for them then. I'm not in it for the races anyway

themetfairy
Mar 07 2011 02:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm starting to get pre-race jitters over the NYC Half Marathon on March 20th. Yes, I've run twice that distance, but I had to adjust my training schedule to allow for the 30 Rock climb.

In my head I know I'll make it through the 13.1 miles. But I'm a little jittery, especially since I associate last year's race with being in a lot of pain (it was less than a month after my glute injury). So with 13 days to go, the nerves are amping up.

Rockin' Doc
Mar 07 2011 06:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

You'll do fine. There's a big difference between a marathon and half-marathon. This one should be relatively easy for you.

themetfairy
Mar 07 2011 06:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks RD :)

I'd feel better if my training for this one had been a little more by the book, but it is what it is.

metsmarathon
Mar 07 2011 06:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

you'll do fine. as you approach lower manhattan you'll be shocked that you're done already; the marathon stays with you for a while.

it looks like i'm going to be spending a weekend in tucson, arizona at the end of the month, for work, unfortunately. that same weekend, there's a half marathon essentially in town. it involves a 2-mile, 200' climb, and a 1 mile 100' climb, and a similar descent down each hill. i'm strongly considering signing up, but i'll probably wait till that week to make the call.

themetfairy
Mar 07 2011 07:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks mm :)

Last year that final 5K down the West Side Highway was horrific for me. But A) I'm not injured this year; and B) I'll have my iPod this year. Last year I was silly enough to take the ban against headphones seriously, and I had a lot of trouble maintaining focus during that seemingly endless straightaway.

I hope you get to run in Arizona - that sounds like a lot of fun!

Rockin' Doc
Mar 08 2011 06:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm trying to slowly increase my speed while maintaining my endurance for the longer runs. This evening, I set out for a short (30 minute) run with the goal of running a sub 22 minute 5K. I ran a pretty steady pace of 8.4-8.5 mph, but waited a little too long to kick it into high gear so I finished with a personal best of 22:03 for the 5K. I slowed down a little and finished out the run having covered 4.21 miles in 30 minutes.

Right now, I don't really care about running races much, but I want to prove to myself that I can adapt what I am doing on the treadmill and make it translate to the real world outside. So with that in mind, I spent some time on the internet looking for some local 5K races to try this year. I found one that really interests me, but it isn't until September. It is a 5K (or 10 K) run depending upon the course you choose at registration. It is run along the cart paths of my favorite golf course in town. The layout wanders by lakes, streams, and through wooded areas as it borders the golf course. I wouldn't mind trying a 5K in May if I can find one that fits my schedule.

themetfairy
Mar 08 2011 07:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Go for it RD. Once you start racing, you'll be hooked :)

TransMonk
Mar 13 2011 03:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

34 degrees and sunny today, so I got my first outdoor run in. It felt great!

I found out my natural cadence is faster than what I have been doing on the treadmill, even with hills and other stuff thrown in, so I'm pretty pumped.

I've been looking forward to running outside for a while now. Can't wait to go again tomorrow.

themetfairy
Mar 13 2011 03:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG TM!!!

themetfairy
Mar 16 2011 11:28 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Follow me in the NYC Half Marathon. I have the best bib number for a half marathon ever - 13131. 13.1 miles, and a palidrome to boot!

metsguyinmichigan
Mar 16 2011 11:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The elevator in our building is broken, so I ran up three flights of stairs. Felt pretty good about it -- until I remembered that I'd have to run up about 84 MORE OF THEM to be in Fairy's league! And no one was at the top to give me a medal!

themetfairy
Mar 16 2011 12:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

83, but who's counting?

You don't even get a keychain unless you make it to 66 floors ;)

Fman99
Mar 16 2011 08:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
34 degrees and sunny today, so I got my first outdoor run in. It felt great!

I found out my natural cadence is faster than what I have been doing on the treadmill, even with hills and other stuff thrown in, so I'm pretty pumped.

I've been looking forward to running outside for a while now. Can't wait to go again tomorrow.


Awesome... the local forecast tomorrow is for weather in the mid 50s and mild. I'm off to the park. Fuck you, treadmill and unnecessarily warm gym.

Fman99
Mar 17 2011 07:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

It was all I hoped it would be, and more. So nice out there, I just decided to go and go and go. Ran my first ever eight mile run at a respectable (for me) pace of 8:27 per mile for a total of 1:07:52.

The idea is to keep stretching it out in preparation for my 10 mile race on May 1st. I hope to do at least one 10 mile practice run, just to have a sense of what the distance feels like all total. My knees were a little sore at the end, and I think I may have a small blister on my toe, but other than that I feel sharp. Very encouraging.

Rockin' Doc
Mar 17 2011 07:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Great run Fman. I'm sure you'll do fine in your 10 mile race. Did you ever think you would be running such distances when you first took up running? You have come such a long way from your first posts (runs) in the running thread. Keep up the good work. I have used your journey as inspiration to help fuel my progress.

themetfairy
Mar 17 2011 07:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work Fman! I'm also going to be running 10 miles on May 1st - we can run together, kind of....

I picked up my palindromic race bib for the NYC Half today -



Track me here!

Fman99
Mar 17 2011 08:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Great run Fman. I'm sure you'll do fine in your 10 mile race. Did you ever think you would be running such distances when you first took up running? You have come such a long way from your first posts (runs) in the running thread. Keep up the good work. I have used your journey as inspiration to help fuel my progress.


Thanks Doc (and MF :) I'm glad to have had some positive effect on someone else. I had a Facebook friend tell me that I inspired her to run also, because she knew me when I was 23 and smoked a pack a day, and she figured if I could do it that she could also.

I don't know, honestly, what my expectations were when I started running in the fall of 2009. I was hoping to be able to run for 30 minutes without stopping, and then maybe run a 5k also under 30 minutes, and prove that I could do it, and overcome all of the joint pain I've dealt with for the last several years and really be able to run as a way to maintain my weight, burn some calories. The thought that I'd be able to run longer than that, or even have a desire to do it, really didn't come along until last summer when I realized that I could push myself further without having detrimental effects on my body.

I tell people all the time -- it's NEVER too late to reinvent yourself, to discover something that you have inside of you that may have gone dormant your whole life till that point.

The CPF running club (get your shirts, someday!) helps too... having all of these Met loving friends out there, across the country, on treadmills, trails and roads, we're all simpatico with each other in a sense.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 17 2011 08:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Geez, I hope you don't hurt your vaj testifying.

Just kidding. It is nice to see progress. I'm finally running about as fast as I was when I had to shut it down in 09 with achilles tendonitis, a shade over 1:00 for 7.05 miles. Still looking for the sub 1-hour on that route but figure it's coming soon

The Second Spitter
Mar 18 2011 12:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I haven't run since last November (also for weather-related reasons) -- I usually start running again in March, but I'm having too much fun cycling these days.

themetfairy
Mar 19 2011 08:20 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm running this 4-miler in Central Park on April 23rd.

Would any of you guys like to join me?

Fman99
Mar 19 2011 08:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I'm running this 4-miler in Central Park on April 23rd.

Would any of you guys like to join me?


Sorry, we're in Maryland that weekend for Passover at my aunt's house. I'm still looking for a 5k in the Ellicott City area sometime on that Saturday or Sunday early...

themetfairy
Mar 20 2011 12:35 PM
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I finished the NYC Half in 2:44:35. Not my best half marathon, but not my worst.

I physically felt better than I did last year when I had the glute injury, but I just didn't have it today. Still, I chugged the whole way (except for saying hi to D-Dad and for one pit stop), and finished feeling good.

The best moment of the race was hearing my name announced as I was approaching the finish line :)

Fman99
Mar 20 2011 02:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I finished the NYC Half in 2:44:35. Not my best half marathon, but not my worst.

I physically felt better than I did last year when I had the glute injury, but I just didn't have it today. Still, I chugged the whole way (except for saying hi to D-Dad and for one pit stop), and finished feeling good.

The best moment of the race was hearing my name announced as I was approaching the finish line :)


Good for you!

themetfairy
Mar 20 2011 03:05 PM
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Thanks Fman :)

themetfairy
Mar 20 2011 03:06 PM
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Here's today's bling. It's no keyring -

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 20 2011 06:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I'm running this 4-miler in Central Park on April 23rd.

Would any of you guys like to join me?


We'll be on vacation that week. If I ever stop being mad at NYRRC for holding races that are so attractive to outsiders I can't get in the ones I want, I may sign up for a few. I'm also looking at the Great Cow Harbor 10K in September, my Dad did that one every year and its become a huge event on Long Island.

Good job on the half.

Some of you guys already know I'm doing the Fiesta 5K in Baltimore May 7. It's a good race I hear, and benefits the hospital where my sister is getting ALS treatment. If you can run, that's great, join our team. If not, tell your friends down there to.

Our team includes several guys I used to run XC with 30 years ago in Jr. High. You can also support our goal to raise the most $$ and kick everyone's ass in the race by clickin' here.

themetfairy
Mar 20 2011 06:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011



Good job on the half.

Some of you guys already know I'm doing the Fiesta 5K in Baltimore May 7. It's a good race I hear, and benefits the hospital where my sister is getting ALS treatment. If you can run, that's great, join our team. If not, tell your friends down there to.

Our team includes several guys I used to run XC with 30 years ago in Jr. High. You can also support our goal to raise the most $$ and kick everyone's ass in the race by clickin' here.


Thanks Lunchie :)

I can't make the Fiesta, but it sounds like fun - I hope you have a great time and raise some major dough!

themetfairy
Mar 25 2011 09:26 PM
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This is great - a runner who ran a personal best marathon in Los Angeles last week after eating nothing but McDonald's for a month (and doing this in order to raise money for the Ronald McDonald House).

Here is his blog. If you check out his food diary, you can see that it's possible to make reasonable food choices within the confines of the McDonald's menu.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 27 2011 02:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 27 2011 02:57 PM

I accidentally ran a half-marathon today. My plan was to run the Triboro Bridge from Queens for the first time, get off on Randall's Island, and cut over to Manhattan at the Ward's Island Bridge and get back where I started via the Queensboro.

I don't know Randall's Island all that well, and while I think I could have cut across it for quick access to Manhattan, I was feeling good and easy so I instead followed the contour of the island to its northern tip, then around south. I was tempted by but ultimately passed up rejoining the Bronx-bound Triboro because I don't know the Bronx at all, but it was good to see where it was so I can try it again someday. I also passed under the Manhattan-bound Triboro on my way to the Ward's Island crossing.

Only, when I got there it was clear that bridge was out (I could actually tell approaching but was hoping for some kind of miracle fix by the time I got there). No such luck, so I doubled back the way I came and eventually made it to the Manhattan-bound Triboro. Again, it would have been more sensible at this point to shortcut back to the Queens-bound Triboro, but I was determined to make it to Manhattan and kind of pissed off, so that's where I went: It left me way up at 125th street and 2nd ave, where the other crossing would have put me on the running path at ~97th and the FDR.

I knew at this point that taking the long way around AND doubling back AND negotiating 2nd Ave was going to swallow about all the miles I had in me long before I got home and once that idea colonized my mind it was only a matter of minutes until I stopped: I was at 97th and 2nd, almost 12 miles in. I caught a downtown bus to 66th where I got out and used at ATM for cab fare, but found no free cabs and jammed-up traffic there, so I eventually walked to the Queensboro and tried running again from there: Got over and into LIC then stopped again to get something to drink, I was finished and so walked and caught a bus home.

Altogether it was around 13.3 miles, 2 hours and 46 seconds running, and 1+ hour walking and bussing.

PS, here's the map: Seems like the Bronx would have been the ideal solution, looks like an easy few blocks to the Willis Ave. bridge into Manhattan, that's what I'll try next time.

themetfairy
Mar 27 2011 02:57 PM
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Wow - at this pace you'll accidentally train for a marathon before you know it!

Fman99
Mar 27 2011 07:40 PM
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Set a new 5k PR today. Ran in a race around the campus of the University of Central Florida while on vacation with the Fman clan. Perfect weather, low 60s, sunny and a pretty flat course and I ran a 22:41. Feeling great.

themetfairy
Mar 27 2011 08:00 PM
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Nice job Fman!

I'm sure it felt great running in that kind of weather after this seemingly endless winter :)

TransMonk
Mar 31 2011 07:12 AM
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I'm going to finish up March with a total of 62.39 mi (100.4 km).

My 2011 running totals are 151.86 mi (244.4 km).

I can't wait to bring Mets games along with me on my runs.

Ceetar
Mar 31 2011 07:14 AM
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[url]http://www.runforyourlives.com

Saw this. Seemed interesting, if it wasn't all the way in Maryland. a 5k complete with obstacle course avoiding zombies? what could be better?

metsmarathon
Mar 31 2011 09:20 AM
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i ran about 52 miles in march. maybe in april i will avoid injury. on the bright side, as i've been recovering from my calf strain, i think my butt might finally be better.

i was thinking about giving running a go today, but with 40 degrees of cold drizzly rain, i'm thinking i might need another day or two more of healing. better safe (and dry and warm) than sorry, right?

themetfairy
Mar 31 2011 08:37 PM
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Running in this kind of weather with an injury is never a good idea. The rest will be better for you.

I have no idea how many miles I have run this year. On the one hand I miss having that information, but on the other hand I like being able to go out and run without worrying about keeping track of the exact distance, etc.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 31 2011 09:04 PM
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77.4 miles in March, including the 4 fastest runs of my regular route. 215 miles year to date

Fman99
Apr 02 2011 02:51 PM
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Ran just 53.7 miles last month, due to a back strain that put me on the elliptical for a half a week, and then a vacation full of rain. Got back on track today with a nice 3.5 mile run around my neighborhood. 192 miles so far in 2011.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 02 2011 09:10 PM
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I ran 12 times in March and put in a total of 58.73 miles for the month. So far I have run 38 times for a total of 182.05 miles through the end of March.

Today was my first run in almost a week, so I wanted to put in some miles. Decided to skip the weight lifting and instead go for an hour run to see how far I could go. I covered 8.11 miles in the hour which is a personal best. My knees are a little stiff, but they have loosened up some in the past few hours. I hope to run 35-40 minutes on Monday if my knees feel alright.

themetfairy
Apr 06 2011 10:43 AM
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I found a running partner who runs my pace! She and I ran 8 miles together this morning - it was so nice not feeling like I was slowing someone down during a long run :)

Farmer Ted
Apr 06 2011 12:18 PM
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NYC marathon guaranteed entry. Done. Just like the previous five years that I didn't run it. One of these days...

themetfairy
Apr 06 2011 12:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Farmer Ted wrote:
NYC marathon guaranteed entry. Done. Just like the previous five years that I didn't run it. One of these days...


I hope to see you there!

I won't be running it this year, but I'll be part of the Team McGraw support crew.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 10 2011 07:01 PM
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kinda snuck up on me but I've got a full-blown heel spur that's going to be pissing me off for a little while. Felt some discomfort and a little swelling to the outside of my heel lately but not until today's run did it come with some pain. Ouch. Read up some on it, looks like another leg injury I can attribute to my poor flexibility.

taking a week off, wearing the Strassburg sock, and seeing how it goes.

Anyone else deal with this shit before?

themetfairy
Apr 10 2011 07:23 PM
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I haven't, but I hope you're feeling better soon!

Fman99
Apr 10 2011 08:11 PM
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Same here. I've been fortunate, aside from a few small blisters I've been basically injury free since I started running in November 2009. Nothing worse than the occasional back spasm which sidelines me for 2-3 days.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2011 03:00 PM
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I'll be volunteering at the Rutgers Half Marathon on Sunday. I requested to work the start, so I can finish up my assignment and then make it to the finish line celebration. Hopefully I'll see mm and mrs.mm there.

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2011 03:29 PM
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minimm will also be making an appearance.

I'm hoping to be able to hang with mrs.mm as she guns for a half pr.

Ordinarily I wouldn't be too concerned, but I'm not yet sure if my calf is healed.

On saturday I ran 4 miles, and did well enough during the first 3 miles which were flat to downhill. I stopped for some stretching and rubbing before the uphill final mile.

Today I ran an ok 2 miles on a treadmill. Not too much protestation from the calf, but I'm not pushing it hard.

I think the pace will be ok for me, and if I more-frequently heelstrike I should be able to make it through the race. I guess we'll see.
Obviously radically altering my stride for a distance race may not be smart, but then, that's how I roll. If I need to drop back or drop out, I do it without (much) hesitation.

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2011 03:30 PM
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minimm will also be making an appearance.

I'm hoping to be able to hang with mrs.mm as she guns for a half pr.

Ordinarily I wouldn't be too concerned, but I'm not yet sure if my calf is healed.

On saturday I ran 4 miles, and did well enough during the first 3 miles which were flat to downhill. I stopped for some stretching and rubbing before the uphill final mile.

Today I ran an ok 2 miles on a treadmill. Not too much protestation from the calf, but I'm not pushing it hard.

I think the pace will be ok for me, and if I more-frequently heelstrike I should be able to make it through the race. I guess we'll see.
Obviously radically altering my stride for a distance race may not be smart, but then, that's how I roll. If I need to drop back or drop out, I do it without (much) hesitation.

Fman99
Apr 12 2011 03:44 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
minimm will also be making an appearance.

I'm hoping to be able to hang with mrs.mm as she guns for a half pr.

Ordinarily I wouldn't be too concerned, but I'm not yet sure if my calf is healed.

On saturday I ran 4 miles, and did well enough during the first 3 miles which were flat to downhill. I stopped for some stretching and rubbing before the uphill final mile.

Today I ran an ok 2 miles on a treadmill. Not too much protestation from the calf, but I'm not pushing it hard.

I think the pace will be ok for me, and if I more-frequently heelstrike I should be able to make it through the race. I guess we'll see.
Obviously radically altering my stride for a distance race may not be smart, but then, that's how I roll. If I need to drop back or drop out, I do it without (much) hesitation.


Good luck MM!

My 10 mile Mountain Goat is just 19 days out. I feel pretty ready, despite only having done 7-8 mile practice runs thus far. I'm shooting for a 1:25 or 8 1/2 minute miles.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2011 04:09 PM
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Yea - I'm FINALLY going to meet minimm!

Fman - good luck on the Mountain Goat. I'll also be running 10 miles that day, but I'll be in enemy territory (and I don't have any lofty time goals).

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2011 05:40 PM
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If you've done 8 a bunch of times and are good with the distance, the jump up to 10 won't be too bad. You shouldn't see too much of a dropoff in pace, either, provided you don't start out at your 5k pace.

Starting at 5k pace in a longer run is my 2nd most frequent racing error.

Not effectively avoiding injrury in my training is my biggest error.

themetfairy
Apr 13 2011 02:33 PM
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This is nice - I hope that other races start doing this -

Personalized Plates For Race Medals

TransMonk
Apr 13 2011 02:48 PM
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So, I started running 5 months ago with a goal of running in my local Crazylegs 8K on April 30. It turns out, that will be the one Saturday in 3 years that I will have to work due to a major conversion my company is going through...so that's that.

I'm alright about it since I am consistently running 8K strongly (I plan on running 10K later today), so I don't feel like I have to run in the race to justify my efforts, but I was kind of looking forward to it.

themetfairy
Apr 13 2011 02:55 PM
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OK - we HAVE to arrange a CPF run so that TM can get a taste of what it's like to participate in a race!

TM - do you have any plans to come out to the East Coast this year?

TransMonk
Apr 13 2011 02:59 PM
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Sadly...no. I made the trip last summer, but between Jamaica and Vegas this year, I don't think I'll make it out East.

I've promised my wife-to-be that we will get to NYC in 2012, so we'll plan it well in advance to see what we can arrange for a run.

If nothing else, I'd go for a CPF running club t-shirt at this point. ;)

themetfairy
Apr 13 2011 03:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

That settles it - we need a CPF run to correspond with TM's 2012 East Coast Tour, and CPF Running Club shirts ASAP!

Fman99
Apr 22 2011 10:08 AM
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Did 30 minutes on the treadmill today as the weather is eternally cold, windy and dreary up here.

Watched a 30 minute infomercial for the "Ahh Bra" the entire time. Basically a commercial for tits. Put me down for two, please.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 25 2011 09:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Two weeks off running, drugs, ice, compression, etc seems to have settled the heel discomfort, which felt like it was going to be a lengthy injury at first, given the pain. Knock on wood, did a slow 3 miles the other morning and no further pain. Also, held up to some beach volleyball.

themetfairy
Apr 25 2011 01:32 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Two weeks off running, drugs, ice, compression, etc seems to have settled the heel discomfort, which felt like it was going to be a lengthy injury at first, given the pain. Knock on wood, did a slow 3 miles the other morning and no further pain. Also, held up to some beach volleyball.


Glad to hear it!

Rockin' Doc
Apr 25 2011 09:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Welcome back. Glad to hear you're doing better and hitting your stride.

metsmarathon
Apr 26 2011 07:45 AM
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this beautiful weather is killing me. but i'm going to be strong and wait until next week to try running again. besides, i have a book to finish, and the only times i read anymore are when i'm sitting on an airplane, or riding a stationary bike. and i'm really so over (work-)travel right now.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2011 08:07 AM
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I have the Broad Street Run in Philadelphia on Sunday. 10 miles in enemy territory while wearing my Mets cap.

If you'd like to help a sister out while I raise funds for the Tug McGraw Foundation, Click Here. I've surpassed the amount that I was obligated to raise for this race, but since this will be my only Team McGraw race this year I'm hoping to raise as much money as I can for the organization.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 26 2011 11:05 PM
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Once every 4-5 weeks I like to let it go and see how fast I can go for 25-30 minutes. My back was stiff most of the afternoon at work, so I opted to drastically cut back on my weight lifting routine this evening. I spent a little extra time stretching and decided to just go for it on the treadmill to see how it went. I maintained a pretty steady pace of 8.4 - 8.5 mph for the first 18 minutes and then kicked it into high gear (for me anyway) and ran the remainder of my opening 5K at 9.0 mph. I turned the 5K mark at 21:47 which eclipsed my personal best by 2 seconds. I then dropped back to around 8.5 mph and struggled to finish my 30 minute run. I finished with 4.26 miles for the 30 minutes.

I was really gassed when I finished, but I drew inspiration from my "running buddy" on the treadmill next to me. He started a minute or two after I did and maintained a steady run the entire time.

When I stopped, my running buddy kidded me saying, "Quitting so soon".

Me, "I cut it short this evening and only ran 30 minutes since I was trying to see how fast I could go."

RB, "I'm going for 40 minutes myself. So how fast did you go?"

Me, "I did 4.26 miles."

RB, "Well, you got me there. I'll only go two and a half miles myself. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?"

Me, "I'll be 51 soon."

RB, "Well, that's where I've got you. You see, I'm 87. I've got grand kids older than you."

Me, "Well, you're doing great and you just gave me hope for the future."

RB, "Have a good evening. We should do this again sometime. Of course, you should slow down and run the whole 40 minutes with me next time."

me, "I'd enjoy that. Hope to see you soon. Have a great night."

Damn, 87 years old and he was running (not walking) with short, quick strides the entire time. I left with a smile on my face and a sincere hope that we get to run together again soon. I would feel blessed just to live to see 87 years of age. I found our conversation rather uplifting.

themetfairy
Apr 27 2011 05:36 AM
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The good news is that there's someone out there who is slower than I am. The bad news is that he's 87....

Outstanding work RD, and a nice story to boot :)

themetfairy
Apr 30 2011 06:49 AM
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Got the Broad Street Run tomorrow. Ten miles through Philadelphia while wearing my Mets cap. Just think of me as Rex Cramer, Danger Seeker!

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Fman - best of luck to you with your big run!

Fman99
Apr 30 2011 11:02 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Got the Broad Street Run tomorrow. Ten miles through Philadelphia while wearing my Mets cap. Just think of me as Rex Cramer, Danger Seeker!

======================

Fman - best of luck to you with your big run!


Thanks, same to you my friend! I'm off to take a big nap, resting up today for the race tomorrow.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 30 2011 11:12 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Best of luck to both of you with your upcoming runs.

themetfairy
Apr 30 2011 03:20 PM
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Thanks guys :)

metsmarathon
Apr 30 2011 08:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

kick some ass yon cranepoolers!

themetfairy
Apr 30 2011 08:53 PM
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Yes sir!

themetfairy
May 01 2011 11:18 AM
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I ran the ten miles in 2:03:43. Was a little gassed after 8 miles, so I alternated running and walking for the final two.

It was warm today, and the course isn't nearly as flat as advertised. But I'm happy with how I did.

The bling will be my photo subject tomorrow, so I'll post it then :)

themetfairy
May 01 2011 03:20 PM
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Here I am, in enemy territory, with my medal!

Fman99
May 01 2011 05:56 PM
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Was a warm one out there! And a hilly course to boot. I even had to walk for about 15 seconds on the last hill, around mile 8. Still, finished at 1:30:34, just a half minute over the goal I had set for myself, and I still feel great tonight. A bit sore, and beat, but nothing that I'd call an injury.

themetfairy
May 01 2011 06:20 PM
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WTG Fman!

metsmarathon
May 01 2011 06:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

nice job, y'all!

themetfairy
May 01 2011 07:06 PM
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Thanks mm :)

Rockin' Doc
May 01 2011 08:57 PM
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Great work by both of you. You both have earned a well deserved rest tomorrow.

themetfairy
May 01 2011 09:06 PM
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Thanks RD :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 01 2011 10:18 PM
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Good job, guys. My heel issues limited me to just 31.5 miles in April but looks like I'm getting back to my regular routine again, 21 miles in the last week.

themetfairy
May 02 2011 05:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

That's a good week Lunchie - welcome back to the fold!

TransMonk
May 02 2011 07:54 AM
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I ran 120.6K (74.94 mi.) in April.

That puts me at 365K (221.21 mi.) for the year.

themetfairy
May 02 2011 08:19 AM
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Nice work TM!

We definitely need to schedule a CPF run in 2012!

metsmarathon
May 02 2011 09:19 AM
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i ran 10 miles in april. boo.

themetfairy
May 02 2011 09:49 AM
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Feel better mm!

metsmarathon
May 02 2011 10:47 AM
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well, i'm at about 25% of april's mileage already! just ran two miles. calf feels fine, but achilles is tightish. i gotta go rummage through the freezer here to see if i have an ice pack available. i meant ot bring one in from home, but, alas, forgot.

themetfairy
May 02 2011 11:10 AM
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Glad that you're on the road back mm :)

Fman99
May 02 2011 01:18 PM
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54.9 miles in April, including yesterday's race I am at 245 miles for 2011. I am happy with this pace.

themetfairy
May 02 2011 02:06 PM
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Nice work Fman!

This is my bling from yesterday's race -



I conquered the Broad Street Run and the Mets conquered the Phillies. It was a good day for New York beating Philly's ass

themetfairy
May 02 2011 04:13 PM
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We don't just need CPF Running Club singlets. We also need CPF medals to go with our run next year!

Rockin' Doc
May 02 2011 06:56 PM
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I ran 14 times in April and did a total of 72.98 miles. That gives me a total of 255.03 miles for the year (not counting today).

Ran for 45 minutes today and did 6.22 miles. I was happy that I ran the second 5K (22:18) faster than the first one (22:32). Generally the final 5-6 minutes are the fastest of my runs, as I always try to pick up the pace as I see the end of the run in sight.

themetfairy
May 07 2011 10:08 AM
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I ran a hilly 5K today in 36:12. Considering how burned out I am, I'll take it.

At least I was able to participate with the family :)

Willets Point
May 07 2011 12:07 PM
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Your boys are getting really tall.

themetfairy
May 07 2011 12:34 PM
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They're both in high school. Connor will be off to college in the fall.

Time goes very quickly!

Chad Ochoseis
May 07 2011 01:53 PM
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Joined JCL and his team for a 24:06 five kilometer jaunt around Baltimore this morning. Then celebrated with a seven mile hike on the Appalachian Trail with a friend from college who lives in the area. I'll be using my legs again sometime in August.

themetfairy
May 07 2011 01:58 PM
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WTG Chad!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2011 03:25 PM
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I finished a few seconds ahead of Chad after encountering him near mile 1. My modest goal was only to run a sub 25, found the last mile really long but hit the finish line at 24 even. Results said my 'net time' was 23:14, that looks like how they ranked us in results.

Astonishing, but a guy I ran with in jr high and who I haven't seen in 30plus years, now 47 years old, ran for our team and won the whole thing in a mindboggling 16: something. His 15 year old son finished 2nd in his teen age group, I believe under 20. Insane!

Fman99
May 07 2011 08:13 PM
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Nice work boys! I was thinking of this event today, if I lived closer I would have been out there as well.

As it was, I took Fboy down to the park as he's expressed interest in doing a 'fun run' at one of my races this year. So for training, he ran a quarter mile (in 3:07), took a 30 second or so break, and then ran the quarter mile back (total time 6:19). He was proud that he was able to do it and go for a run with his dad. I think we're going to make this a weekly thing we do together.

themetfairy
May 07 2011 09:12 PM
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Great job for a great cause Lunchie.

And excellent father/son time Fman!

Rockin' Doc
May 09 2011 06:55 PM
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Had a meeting at church after work tonight, but I really wanted to get a run in before dinner. When the meeting ended I hurried to the gym and went straight to the treadmill for a 30 minute run. I didn't even stretch since I had promised my wife I would be home for dinner by 7:30 PM. I ran a personal best of 21:36 for 5K and finished with 4.28 miles in 30 minutes. I was pretty gassed afterward, but feel pretty good now. I want to eventually break the 21:30 mark for 5K, but I really don't think I can go much faster.

Great job by Lunchbucket and Chad Ochoseis in running to raise money for a wonderful cause. I'm glad I could kick a little money into Lunchbuckets coffers to help out.

metsmarathon
May 09 2011 09:49 PM
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eep. y'all are going to be busting down my pr's soon!

metsmarathon
May 16 2011 09:15 AM
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well, on saturday, i had my first race in over half a year, a 5k. a few friends i have in boston were down for the weekend, and this was my only chance to meet up with them. i wasn't quite sure i was ready, since i really only had been able to run again for about a week. and when i have run, my pace wasn't anywhere near as fast as i would like it, though much of that has just been because of me holding back.

i was a little concerned that if i were to push, i might aggravate the calf. or i might just hit a wall. neither would've made me happy. i think heading into the race, i would've been ok with an 8:00 pace all things considered.

it was a small enough race with about 4-500 runners, just small enough that if i were at my best, i'd be thinking age group award. i later found out that the race was doing weird age groupings where i was in the 25-34 age group. never really seen that one before... but saturday was not a day for PRs. it was a day for seeing where i am.

the start was about a quarter mile of downhill, and then the rest of the out-and back course was flat, with a quarter-mile uphill finish. great. just what i need. i situated myself about 5 runners deep from the starting line, which is usually a good spot for me. everyone in front of me looked fast, the people behind, not as much.

the race starts, and after about three steps my shoe unties itself. it had been loose, and i had re-tied it before the race. i guess i didn't do a good job. i debated stopping to retie it, or going barefoot. i opted for neither. i'll see where it takes me. actually, if i had other socks on, i would've tried the barefoot thing. but i had on a new pair of compression socks and i didn't want to ruin them in only their second wearing. so i just kept running. i found a good enough pace fairly early, and tried a few times to push it faster, but couldn't maintain. my legs just weren't used to it, and my lungs were out of practice as well.

got to what might've been the first mile marker at about 7:36. not bad, but could i hold on? and was that really the mile? all along the course there were balloons tied to arrows telling the way. all the other arrows, i think, had a white and a green balloon. this had white and black. maybe it meant something...? i was looking forward to the turnaround. at least there, i'd know my distance.

i reached the turnaround at 11:30 or so, maybe 11:20 - i don't really remember - and took a very wide turn so as not to step out of my very loose shoe. there was a water stop at about the 2 mile mark - there were no indicative balloons here - and i took about ten seconds of walking to down a cup. after two turns, i'm a quarter mile form the finish, and at the bottom of the hill. mrs. & minimm were there cheering me on. minimm got a very sweaty high-five as i passed. my legs were pretty tired as i tried my best to charge up the hill. there were two runners ahead of me, and i was really trying to keep up with them. ordinarily, this is where i shine - the last dash to the finish. oh well. they had much more kick than i did, and i don't think i was trying all that hard to kick with them. i crossed the line at 23:27, a tick behind the guy in front of me.

after the race, i was curious how i did, so i looked at the score sheet. and my name wasn't on there. the guy ahead of me was. there was naother person whose time wasn't recorded, and a race official directed us to the scoring van. the guy there entered my time as 23:26 flat, and it was only afterwards that i realized that he put me ahead of the other runner. by 0.3 seconds. i feel kindof bad, but we were already on our way out, but it's not like it affected any placing or what not.

besides, we're on the same running team. i don't really know him, but we're on the same team. you see, a few years ago, a friend of mine and his girlfriend up in cambridge started up a running (and beirut) club with a bunch of their friends. they run a lot of races up there, seriously, like a ton of races. so i joined up as well. the running club is growing rather nicely, spreading out across the country. while i've been a member for a year and a half, this was my first opportunity to run with them as part of the team. granted, the race didn't do team scoring, but its nice to be part of a team. and i think the local boys track team would've kicked our ass anyways...

themetfairy
May 16 2011 09:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice race mm!

I wish I had the kind of speed healthy that you have with a busted calf and untied shoe....

Rockin' Doc
May 16 2011 08:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Welcome back. Very impressive run considering your lack of training, a balky calf, and a shoe that was trying to divorce you the entire 5K.

Fman99
May 16 2011 08:23 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Glad to hear you're on the mend, coach.

I ran this past Saturday in the local "Komen Race for the Cure" 5k, one of the more actively attended events in the local race calendar. They had over 8000 people attend, though the majority of them are there for a walk. They did have 2003 participants in the competitive adult 5k run, of which I finished 174th overall with a time of 23:07. More happy about the fact that I finished 8th of 57 in my M35-39 age group... I tend to see this demographic as the people I compete against directly, other men my age, and although there are more casual runners given the "big draw" effect of this event, this was the point I was most proud of.

Next races are an 8k in a state park next Sunday, a 5k on Memorial Day and another 5k the following Saturday. It's the peak season for races locally and I'm all about that.

metsmarathon
May 16 2011 09:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

so i posted this on facebook, figured i'd pop it on here as well.

i'm hoping to run that river to sea relay again this year - its a 93 mile relay race from milford to manasquan nj on saturday july 30th. we need a team of 7 runners. my team from last year has had at least three droputs, so we have some holes to fill.

depending on how the individual legs would break out - something we'd determine closer to race day - runners could expect to run somewhere between 10 and 18 miles, based on individual ability. last year, i ran 17 or 18 miles of it.

aside from a willingness to share a sweaty van with a majority of people you probably have never met before, i'd say at a minimum, you'd need to be capable of running a 10:30 pace in a half marathon. if you've got a good pace for 10k or 10 miles, but are untested at the half, that's fine. i'd say a 9:30 pace for a 10k would translate well enough. we need to average about a 10 minute pace for the whole race, and while we have a little bit of margin against that with some fast runners on board, that can disappear all too quickly with a hot late july day.

if you're interested, let me know. registration closes mid june, but the i'd be surprised if the race didn't fill up before the end of the month. it's also a fair financial commitment, as the entry fee is about $600 for the team, and is non-refuundable.

i'm also asking around at work, and am trying to solicit interest from my afore-mentioned running team, to name a few places. i kindof wish the team captain had let us know how dire our situation was a little earlier, as it's rapidly getting late. but it is what it is. the race iteslf is a bucket of fun. i never knew spending a full day in a van could go by so quickly.

TransMonk
May 21 2011 11:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran a personal best eight miles this morning. The second four miles were a breeze.

I'm really starting to enjoy this running thing.

Fman99
May 21 2011 02:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
Ran a personal best eight miles this morning. The second four miles were a breeze.

I'm really starting to enjoy this running thing.


Nice!

Fman99
May 21 2011 02:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
so i posted this on facebook, figured i'd pop it on here as well.

i'm hoping to run that river to sea relay again this year - its a 93 mile relay race from milford to manasquan nj on saturday july 30th. we need a team of 7 runners. my team from last year has had at least three droputs, so we have some holes to fill.

depending on how the individual legs would break out - something we'd determine closer to race day - runners could expect to run somewhere between 10 and 18 miles, based on individual ability. last year, i ran 17 or 18 miles of it.

aside from a willingness to share a sweaty van with a majority of people you probably have never met before, i'd say at a minimum, you'd need to be capable of running a 10:30 pace in a half marathon. if you've got a good pace for 10k or 10 miles, but are untested at the half, that's fine. i'd say a 9:30 pace for a 10k would translate well enough. we need to average about a 10 minute pace for the whole race, and while we have a little bit of margin against that with some fast runners on board, that can disappear all too quickly with a hot late july day.

if you're interested, let me know. registration closes mid june, but the i'd be surprised if the race didn't fill up before the end of the month. it's also a fair financial commitment, as the entry fee is about $600 for the team, and is non-refuundable.

i'm also asking around at work, and am trying to solicit interest from my afore-mentioned running team, to name a few places. i kindof wish the team captain had let us know how dire our situation was a little earlier, as it's rapidly getting late. but it is what it is. the race iteslf is a bucket of fun. i never knew spending a full day in a van could go by so quickly.


If I lived in your neck of the woods I'd be on board... I think I can run at a 9-9.5 minute pace even up to 15 miles or so. Good luck filling out your roster Coach.

themetfairy
May 21 2011 09:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG TM!

The Second Spitter
May 22 2011 02:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Not running much these days, save for 2x20 min x-training sessions a week as I'm trying to stack-on as much muscle mass as possible. Still doing around 120-150km on the bike, which i find muchos more enjoyable than running. Plan to pick-up my running next month, when I start my shedding phase.

However, on the advice of my trainer, whose name is Mets (I know I've mentioned that before, but i feel the need to mention it again), I've been wearing long compression tights, such as these, to sleep, and the results have been amazing. No more morning stiffness, my legs recover faster and I experience less post-exercise soreness.

Just thought i'd share....

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 22 2011 06:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

[youtube:200dahgx]CL4iVQyp9L4[/youtube:200dahgx]

TransMonk
May 31 2011 07:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm going to finish May with 92.6 miles run (149 km) which will bring my total for 2011 up to 319.4 miles (514 km). I spent 14:13:02 running in May giving me a 5:43/km pace. I'm not busting up any speed records, but it's my best monthly pace yet.

Additionally in May, I put 151.8 miles on my bike.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 31 2011 08:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Wow, that's a big month, Monkey.

I've had a weird month, some days felt fine, others like shit. Tried running after they let us out early Friday afternoon and got absolutely hammered by the sun & humidity.

I also have begun to hate my running shoes (already replaced the insoles).

69 miles in May and 315.66 for the year.

themetfairy
May 31 2011 08:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Adjusting to the humidity is a killer.

I just grunted out 5K this morning. I have no idea how I survived marathon training in this weather last summer....

The Second Spitter
May 31 2011 08:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Lol - new yorkers complaining about humidity is hysterical.

metsmarathon
May 31 2011 09:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

58.1 miles for the month, my highest mileage month for the year. i'm at a rather low 187.5 for the year.

i'm supposed to run today, but i had a late night last night, am feeling slugging, and don't have much in the way of hydration products on me for today. instead, i'm going to help mrs.mm run some errands during lunch. plus i have softball tonight, presuming we don't forfeit due to lack of participants.

i'll do my 5x1000 repeats tomorrow.

themetfairy
May 31 2011 10:04 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Second Spitter wrote:
Lol - new yorkers complaining about humidity is hysterical.


You know what's better? Los Angeleans complaining about humidity. When it's like 5%. I'm serious.

Fman99
May 31 2011 08:32 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Banged out nearly eight miles yesterday and today in stifling 85+ degree heat. There's a nice shady part of the park where I like to run, where all but about 100 feet of it is at least partially shaded. Not breaking any land speed records, but running steady 8:15/8:20 miles for the most part.

68.9 miles in May and 306.6 miles thus far in 2011.

Rockin' Doc
May 31 2011 08:54 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I only got in 12 runs in May. I covered 65.25 miles for the month and 320.28 miles for the year. I had some really strong runs this month as I set 3 personal bests (5K 21:26; 10K 43:50; and 1 hour distance of 8.25 miles).

As Lunchbucket said, some days the running is seems pretty easy and other days it is a battle the entire way.

The Second Spitter
Jun 02 2011 04:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk is ITBSOHL!

themetfairy wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
Lol - new yorkers complaining about humidity is hysterical.


You know what's better? Los Angeleans complaining about humidity. When it's like 5%. I'm serious.


The problem with running LA is all the shit in the air. You have to run along the beaches otherwise you may as well be smoking a packet of non-filtered Camels during your run.

I military-pressed 80kg at the gym tonight for 2 and 1/2 reps standing (had some help on the last one) -- that's probably more than one Fman -- I'm posting it here because I know Fman reads this thread and I want to him to feel intimidated next time we meet!

TransMonk
Jun 02 2011 06:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Second Spitter wrote:
TransMonk is ITBSOHL!

If I'm not...I'm awfully close.

Fman99
Jun 02 2011 06:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Second Spitter wrote:
I military-pressed 80kg at the gym tonight for 2 and 1/2 reps standing (had some help on the last one) -- that's probably more than one Fman -- I'm posting it here because I know Fman reads this thread and I want to him to feel intimidated next time we meet!


I tipped in at about 70 kg on the scale this morning. I'm lean and mean, kickin it metric yo.

attgig
Jun 02 2011 09:14 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

today is my last day of personal training sessions @ my gym, and I plan to start running this weekend. I'm in ok shape (relatively speaking for me), and i think I can get through 3 miles @ 10min/mile. Here's to the start of training for the Baltimore Marathon October 15. (or maybe marine corps marathon on oct 30... we'll see).

themetfairy
Jun 02 2011 09:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Best of luck with that!

Pick up a copy of Marathoning for Mortals - I think you'll find it useful if you're working towards a fall marathon.

attgig
Jun 02 2011 09:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

just ordered it. thanks for the suggestion! looking at the description/review...seems perfect for me!

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 10:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

you ever have one of those days where you know you're going to overdo it, but you go out and overdo it anyway?

that was yesterday. sigh.

tuesday was a humid, awful mess out, and i hadn't slept much the night before, so i decided to put off my planned 5x1000m repeats until wednesday, knowing full well that wednesday was still going to be hot and humid and just plain awful. but i had a meeting scheduled for today, and didn't want to put it off for too long. i could have just swapped the workout with friday's planned hard 20 minute tempo run. but no. that would've been the smart thing to do. i had softball tuesday night, too, and, as always, neglected to stretch out afterwards.

especially since tuesday night, i was up late again, and woke up early. i'd gotten a little more sleep than the night before, but still it was not enough. i woke up tired, and the feeling stayed with me through the morning. i did a fairly good job of hydrating, and stretched out a bit prior to my run. i got in a one mile warmup, and felt ok. started the first 1k repeat with a water bottle in my hand to deposit at the far end of the path i was on. i had calculated my goal pace for the workout to be about a 7:30 mile, or 4:41 for the 1000m. the road is marked in quarter mile increments, so i had a good pace check, with 1:52 quarters being the goal. i hit the first quarter in about 1:40, second quarter about 1:45, and the full 1000m in 4:25. after 2 minutes rest, the second 1000m clocked at 4:27. another 2 minutes rest, and the third 1000m came in at 4:41. halfway through, i had to slow down to avoid a golf ball, and also realized that i had to pee. having to pee while running repeats is a bit of a distraction, really. luckily, there was a port-a-john near my finish for that leg.

i noticed, too, that the back of my leg was getting a little tight, cramping slightly behind the knee.

i should have stopped, and just jogged back, ending my workout there. i didn't. i tried to get in the last two repeats, thinking that i could just dial down the effort a smidge, and it'd be ok - but really, doesn't that just fly in the face of the idea of speed work?! fool!

about 100m in on the fourth repeat, i stop. no pull or anything, just the cramping tightness became a little more insistent. i walked back to my water bottle, a mere 100m back, and then walk back slowly to my office. unfortunately, this is now a 1.5 mile walk. i hate walking.

that meeting i had today at lunch? yeah, it totally got out early. there would've been plenty of time to run today.

i think i'm only on the shelf for a week this time. i didn't aggravate the calf at all. this tightness is something i tend to get occasionally; typically it'll strike me towards the end of a long run, like the first 18 miler of the year, or something like that. i could probably have jogged back on it, but i figured i'd be overcompensating for it and screw something else up. if this were to happen during a marathon training phase, i'd be fine in under a week, and would probably just skip out on the hard days, and take it easy a bunch, and probably not miss a long run. so i'm not too worried, just hugely annoyed, and unhappy with myself.


not only was i running way faster than my planned pace, my planned pace was too aggressive to begin with. i was supposed to run these at 10k pace. i aimed to run them at last year's 10k pace, not at what my current 10k pace would be given that i still should be in recovery mode. i should have been aiming for 8:00 miles, and no faster, given where i am right now. i know better than to push the pace too fast too soon. i know better than to not adjust my hard pace for a hot day. i know better than to run such a hard day on limited rest. i know better than to not stretch after softball. i know better than to not run the next repeat when i'm sore from the prior one.

but i did it all anyways.

one day i will learn. i think.

on the bright side, i was running really strong until i broke. and shutting down early probably saved me from dying from heat stroke. so there's that.

my leg is still sore today. no knots or tightness, so again, that's a good sign. i just need to ice some, and take some more days off. and not be a fucking idiot in the future. it'd be far far better for me to be not as fast as i want to be come my next planned races than for me to be injured and unable to run. and i need to keep on reminding myself of that.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2011 11:21 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

attgig wrote:
just ordered it. thanks for the suggestion! looking at the description/review...seems perfect for me!


You're very welcome. I think you'll enjoy it - I found it very helpful for my own training.

If you're looking for more reading after that, Marathon by Hal Higdon was another resource that I found helpful.

Best of luck - feel free to let me know if you have any questions. Unlike mm, I can tell you what it's like to run a marathon as a slowpoke ;)

themetfairy
Jun 02 2011 11:23 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
you ever have one of those days where you know you're going to overdo it, but you go out and overdo it anyway?

that was yesterday. sigh.

tuesday was a humid, awful mess out, and i hadn't slept much the night before, so i decided to put off my planned 5x1000m repeats until wednesday, knowing full well that wednesday was still going to be hot and humid and just plain awful. but i had a meeting scheduled for today, and didn't want to put it off for too long. i could have just swapped the workout with friday's planned hard 20 minute tempo run. but no. that would've been the smart thing to do. i had softball tuesday night, too, and, as always, neglected to stretch out afterwards.

especially since tuesday night, i was up late again, and woke up early. i'd gotten a little more sleep than the night before, but still it was not enough. i woke up tired, and the feeling stayed with me through the morning. i did a fairly good job of hydrating, and stretched out a bit prior to my run. i got in a one mile warmup, and felt ok. started the first 1k repeat with a water bottle in my hand to deposit at the far end of the path i was on. i had calculated my goal pace for the workout to be about a 7:30 mile, or 4:41 for the 1000m. the road is marked in quarter mile increments, so i had a good pace check, with 1:52 quarters being the goal. i hit the first quarter in about 1:40, second quarter about 1:45, and the full 1000m in 4:25. after 2 minutes rest, the second 1000m clocked at 4:27. another 2 minutes rest, and the third 1000m came in at 4:41. halfway through, i had to slow down to avoid a golf ball, and also realized that i had to pee. having to pee while running repeats is a bit of a distraction, really. luckily, there was a port-a-john near my finish for that leg.

i noticed, too, that the back of my leg was getting a little tight, cramping slightly behind the knee.

i should have stopped, and just jogged back, ending my workout there. i didn't. i tried to get in the last two repeats, thinking that i could just dial down the effort a smidge, and it'd be ok - but really, doesn't that just fly in the face of the idea of speed work?! fool!

about 100m in on the fourth repeat, i stop. no pull or anything, just the cramping tightness became a little more insistent. i walked back to my water bottle, a mere 100m back, and then walk back slowly to my office. unfortunately, this is now a 1.5 mile walk. i hate walking.

that meeting i had today at lunch? yeah, it totally got out early. there would've been plenty of time to run today.

i think i'm only on the shelf for a week this time. i didn't aggravate the calf at all. this tightness is something i tend to get occasionally; typically it'll strike me towards the end of a long run, like the first 18 miler of the year, or something like that. i could probably have jogged back on it, but i figured i'd be overcompensating for it and screw something else up. if this were to happen during a marathon training phase, i'd be fine in under a week, and would probably just skip out on the hard days, and take it easy a bunch, and probably not miss a long run. so i'm not too worried, just hugely annoyed, and unhappy with myself.


not only was i running way faster than my planned pace, my planned pace was too aggressive to begin with. i was supposed to run these at 10k pace. i aimed to run them at last year's 10k pace, not at what my current 10k pace would be given that i still should be in recovery mode. i should have been aiming for 8:00 miles, and no faster, given where i am right now. i know better than to push the pace too fast too soon. i know better than to not adjust my hard pace for a hot day. i know better than to run such a hard day on limited rest. i know better than to not stretch after softball. i know better than to not run the next repeat when i'm sore from the prior one.

but i did it all anyways.

one day i will learn. i think.

on the bright side, i was running really strong until i broke. and shutting down early probably saved me from dying from heat stroke. so there's that.

my leg is still sore today. no knots or tightness, so again, that's a good sign. i just need to ice some, and take some more days off. and not be a fucking idiot in the future. it'd be far far better for me to be not as fast as i want to be come my next planned races than for me to be injured and unable to run. and i need to keep on reminding myself of that.


Your injured pace is still incredibly faster than my healthy one....

Feel better mm!

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 11:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

oh boy another prospective marathoner!

good luck, enjoy the ride, and set reasonable goals.

if i may run the risk of inundating you with competing/conflicting information, i heartily recommend the jeff galloway run/walk method of covering long distance, and have used some form of it in each of my 10 marathons.

mrs.mm and i used to more strictly adhere to the timing of the walk breaks, but have since transitioned to walking either every mile or at each water stop. mrs.mm credits the run/walk method with enabling her to run a very strong diva's half marathon last october in her grand return to post-minimm running. there, she used a strict 5 minutes running, 1 minute walking regiment. in may, she set a pr in the half, crushing her prior mark by eleven minutes, walking only at water stops and only so long as necessary to consume the cup of water. in a longer run, it really does help fend off fatigue while not really costing you any time. your per-mile pace will be slower, but you'll be able to maintain it longer. plus i tend to choke if i try to gulp down water while i'm running. to this day, i generally walk (briskly and briefly) at water stops in 5ks.

i also recommend hal higdon who has a bevy of training programs on his website. his novice I training planis probably the right one for you. he's also a supporter of walking through water stops, having run a 2:29 marathon doing just that.

regardless of what training plan you use, or if you just wing it, start off slow and slowly build up the distance. the long run is the single most important run of the week, but don't ignore the shorter runs either. in your training you should build up to run 20 miles at least once, about 3 weeks prior to the big day, and then taper down to recharge your batteries. oh, and do adjust your training plan for life, weather, and fatigue as necessary. it's only a plan, not gospel.

have you been running much, or is this weekend the first time you plan on actually going out and running?

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 11:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

hey, i've got a 6:24 marathon and a 5:59 marathon to my name.

also, i'm a veritable font of information regarding what not to do in training for and running a marathon.

in your training, always ask yourself, "what would mm do?"

then do something different.

i should probably take that advice myself sometimes.

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 02 2011 01:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/06/schools_find_that_running_impr.html

I just had to mention friends from my favorite forum in the work blog!

attgig
Jun 02 2011 01:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
have you been running much, or is this weekend the first time you plan on actually going out and running?



I've seen the hal novice marathon schedule, and was planning on sticking to something like that.

I've ran in the past, and have done 2 1/2 marathons... first about 7 years ago, and another about 4 years ago, and a 10 miler about 5 years ago... so it's been a while...and I'm a HUGE SLOWPOKE! (i think i averaged about 12-13 minute miles on those "races").

Recently, I haven't really been running, but I've been working out with a personal trainer for the past 3 months (no real activity for about a year before that) so I feel like I'll have some sort of endurance and athletic ability to run 3 miles without issues.

We'll see once i actually start it out though...

themetfairy
Jun 02 2011 01:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/06/schools_find_that_running_impr.html

I just had to mention friends from my favorite forum in the work blog!


Very cool michigan - best of luck!

themetfairy
Jun 02 2011 01:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

attgig wrote:
have you been running much, or is this weekend the first time you plan on actually going out and running?



I've seen the hal novice marathon schedule, and was planning on sticking to something like that.

I've ran in the past, and have done 2 1/2 marathons... first about 7 years ago, and another about 4 years ago, and a 10 miler about 5 years ago... so it's been a while...and I'm a HUGE SLOWPOKE! (i think i averaged about 12-13 minute miles on those "races").

Recently, I haven't really been running, but I've been working out with a personal trainer for the past 3 months (no real activity for about a year before that) so I feel like I'll have some sort of endurance and athletic ability to run 3 miles without issues.

We'll see once i actually start it out though...


You can do it!

If I could complete a marathon, anyone can. You'll be great :)

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 02:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/06/schools_find_that_running_impr.html

I just had to mention friends from my favorite forum in the work blog!


capitalization!? i'm devastated.

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 03:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

slowpoke, phooey! speed is only important in the marathon if you're trying to qualify for boston, or maybe win the thing. and it certainly isn't a predictor of success.

a 12-13 minute pace has some advantages, and of course some disadvantages. the biggest advantage is that each stride costs less energy and causes less stress on the muscles. you're less likely to hit a wall at the slower pace where your muscles simply seize up and you end up a twitching, cramping mess for the last 6-12 miles of the marathon. you're probably less likely to suffer a sever muscle pull, too, though you won't avoid strains and overtraining. you face a more gradual onset of physical fatigue. mental fatigue and sheer exhaustion play a greater role. you'll be out there longer, and your training runs will take longer, and that will wear on you. your joints may not be as happy, as you'll require more footfalls per the distance, but each step will have a lesser effect.

fatigue and exhaustion, again, are the big concerns as at the slower speed you will likely be less efficient. for this reason, pay attention to hydration. and make sure you've got good fresh sneakers, the right sneakers for you. more steps means a potentially greater cumulative effect from biomechanical faults brought on by your shoes. in-run fueling will also be something to pay attention to.

TransMonk
Jun 02 2011 03:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

How many miles do you typically put on a pair of shoes? I've heard 500, but I have no idea if that's right.

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 02 2011 03:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/06/schools_find_that_running_impr.html

I just had to mention friends from my favorite forum in the work blog!


capitalization!? i'm devastated.


my editors frown on not using upper case letters!

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 07:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/06/schools_find_that_running_impr.html

I just had to mention friends from my favorite forum in the work blog!


capitalization!? i'm devastated.


my editors frown on not using upper case letters!


even at the expense of accuracy in quotations? can'tcha just put a [sic] in there? boo!

i'm kidding. i think it's totally awesome. thank you.

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2011 07:57 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
How many miles do you typically put on a pair of shoes? I've heard 500, but I have no idea if that's right.


the typical advice is 300-500, and it varies from runner to runner, and can also vary by shoe.

i have a hard cap at 300 miles myself. mrs.mm goes up to about 450-500.

i wear 'em out quicker because i'm a fairly heavy runner currently at 200 lbs, and i'm a forefoot-striker in shoes that are meant more for a heel-striker. they've got no extra shock attenuation in the forefoot, just squishy foam. and that breaks down over time. i start to notice the breakdown after about 200-250 miles, and am typically itching to get rid of them well before they hit three bills. also, by the time i get up to 300 miles, i'm also worn away some of the harder rubber outsole, so that tends to be a dead giveaway. i had a pair of sauconys once that were done by 200 miles, and a pair of brooks i felt reached their limit at 250. but my trusty asics gel 1000's consistently can stretch all the way to 300.

mrs.mm, as a much smaller, lighter runner, can get much more mileage out of her shoes, asics GT 2000's. she's got a fairly compact hell-striking stride that doesn't look like it puts much extra wear on the shoes, which have oodles of gel cushioning, and i think that helps stretch the life too.

apparently the easy way to tell is if you see wrinkling in the midsole - the soft white foam in the middle of the sole. if it starts to wrinkle, it's started to break down, and it's time to look to replace them.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 02 2011 08:34 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
How many miles do you typically put on a pair of shoes? I've heard 500, but I have no idea if that's right.


As noted on Page 1 of this thread, I got 850 out of my last pair (Asics 2140s, though they were toast for 100 before that).

I'm at ~300 with the new kicks (Brooks Adrenaline 11) and ready to throw them in the garbage, having regular heel and forefoot pain despite having replaced the inserts already. Plus, I ran in funky sox once and they've got the dead-body smell ever since. TMI, I know.

The Second Spitter
Jun 03 2011 04:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:


I tipped in at about 70 kg on the scale this morning. I'm lean and mean, kickin it metric yo.


Sweet Jesus. I'm exactly 50 per cent heavier than you (and 5 weight divisions higher).

Today I ran in anger for the first time since last October. 5km -- 29:38. I'm over the moon with that time.

TransMonk wrote:
How many miles do you typically put on a pair of shoes? I've heard 500, but I have no idea if that's right.


I've been told to test of whether your shoes replacing hold the bottom of the shoe with one hand and using one finger of the other hand bend back the toe. If it touches the laces, the shoes have lost their elastic support.

Nike Equalon 4 is the greatest shoe I've ever run in (and winner of the NYC Marathon for the last 5 years!). I import them from from Wiggle in the UK at a fraction of the retail cost.

TransMonk
Jun 03 2011 06:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks for the in for on the shoes, guys.

I have two pairs of Brooks GTS 10s (one for indoor treadmill work and one for outdoor runs). I'm right around 200 on both and they both feel great for now. I'll keep an eye on the mid-sole and feel for any changes in comfort.

Fman99
Jun 04 2011 08:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Today was the first anniversary of my first race, Paige's Butterfly Run. I was hoping to beat my time from last year to see how far I've come, but they went and changed the course so it's not the same as it was last year. Nonetheless, I finished 186th overall with a chip time of 23:02, five seconds faster than I was two weeks ago and 2:16 faster than I was a year ago. So I'm happy about that.

Great running weather, too. Cloudy, cool and a little breeze.

themetfairy
Jun 04 2011 09:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG Fman - that's excellent!

TransMonk
Jun 04 2011 10:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

15K this morning. Took about a 20 minute break of walking and stretching (and ordering Pearl Jam tickets) in the middle.

Next Saturday I'm going for 16K which I think will be my max for a while. I'm OK with distance, now I need to work the speed.

themetfairy
Jun 04 2011 11:32 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Great job TM!

themetfairy
Jun 05 2011 05:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I did the 4-mile Celebrate Israel Run in Central Park on this gorgeous morning. I was running with a friend who hadn't run a race in many years, so I took it easy on the pace to be with her. I finished in 50:19, which is slower than what I could have done on my own, but felt really great out there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 05 2011 09:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

twas a great morning to run in nyc. Got out without any ankle or foot pain and felt great, only to sufer severe random thigh chafe. Ow.

The Second Spitter
Jun 05 2011 11:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I did the 4-mile Celebrate Israel Run in Central Park on this gorgeous morning. I was running with a friend who hadn't run a race in many years, so I took it easy on the pace to be with her. I finished in 50:19, which is slower than what I could have done on my own, but felt really great out there.


WTG, Shazza!

Was your friend Coop?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
twas a great morning to run in nyc. Got out without any ankle or foot pain and felt great, only to sufer severe random thigh chafe. Ow.


themetfairy
Jun 06 2011 05:37 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Second Spitter wrote:
I did the 4-mile Celebrate Israel Run in Central Park on this gorgeous morning. I was running with a friend who hadn't run a race in many years, so I took it easy on the pace to be with her. I finished in 50:19, which is slower than what I could have done on my own, but felt really great out there.


WTG, Shazza!

Was your friend Coop?



Yes, and she did great :)

The Second Spitter
Jun 06 2011 05:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG Coop !!!!

Still don't get why she doesn't post here. She's met half the guys already, she's intelligent. She even has a CPF account.

We haven't had a new regular since Albilly and he's already amassed 10K posts.

Coop, if you're reading this, start posting. Now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 06 2011 07:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Second Spitter wrote:

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
twas a great morning to run in nyc. Got out without any ankle or foot pain and felt great, only to sufer severe random thigh chafe. Ow.




Dude. The fabric just attacked. In-run adjustments only spread the breakout. My thighs are so fatty, and the burning so intense, you could smell bacon all over North Brooklyn. Had to walk around like a cowboy all day yesterday.

metsmarathon
Jun 06 2011 07:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

not that i really want to turn this thread into all chafing all the time, but i used to get thigh-rubbing, and not the good kind, until i switched from shorts with the built-in briefs to shorts with the built-in compression liners. it's not a problem any more.

The Second Spitter
Jun 06 2011 08:00 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I haven't run without compression shorts/pants for a good 4 years now -- although trying to fit into them the other day after 8 months of hardcore cycling was an interesting exercise.

themetfairy
Jun 06 2011 08:18 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Second Spitter wrote:
WTG Coop !!!!

Still don't get why she doesn't post here. She's met half the guys already, she's intelligent. She even has a CPF account.

We haven't had a new regular since Albilly and he's already amassed 10K posts.

Coop, if you're reading this, start posting. Now.


I'll pass that along to her :)

The Second Spitter
Jun 11 2011 06:02 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I picked-up the Garmin Forerunner 610 GPS watch -- it's dead-set the best thing since the cure for polio, the invention of the Hamburger, and Nutella.



You can operate the touch-screen wearing gloves, it picks-up the satellite instantly, and the feature that allows you to compete against your previous run is ingenious. It also calculates your calorie consumption based on your heart-rate.

I highly recommended it.

TransMonk
Jun 11 2011 07:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Jealous. That beats my Forerunner 305 by twice as much.

The Second Spitter
Jun 11 2011 07:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The 305 is nice cos you can easily strap it on a bike. i had one but sold it last year to buy the 310 which I recently lost it. I was devastated.

themetfairy
Jun 11 2011 01:55 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Enjoy the new watch 3D!

Fman99
Jun 12 2011 05:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Set a new PR today with a scalding 22:26 5k, finished 19th out of 153 runners and first in my age bracket. I won a pint glass which is being held by a running buddy of mine (I will see him at another 5k next weekend). Felt great all the way around the lake today, life is good my friends.

themetfairy
Jun 12 2011 06:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG on the PR Fman - you've made impressive progress in such a short time!

Yesterday I ran the 40th New York Mini 10K in Central Park. I was running with a friend and took something off of my own pace so I could stay with her, which wound up being a good thing. I had been really burnt out since the Marathon, but by not worrying so much about my pace I felt really great out there (despite the hills).

Rockin' Doc
Jun 13 2011 04:12 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice run, Fman. Congratulations on winning your age grouping. Hopefully, your buddy can fill the pint glass for you.

themetfairy
Jun 13 2011 04:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Finishing the New York Mini 10K -


Fman99
Jun 13 2011 09:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Felt great today, ran at a good clip and knocked out four miles in 30:37. Would have done 5-6 miles but I had errands to run, in preparation for a Seawolf17 visit that never happened. (He's in town all week, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.)

I have a 15k in four weeks, I hope to stretch myself out and get a number of 6-8 mile runs in before then.

Fman99
Jun 13 2011 09:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
Finishing the New York Mini 10K -




How triumphant!

themetfairy
Jun 13 2011 09:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks Fman :)

Best of luck with the 15K training!

Ceetar
Jun 14 2011 11:45 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

So what do you do for warming up/cooling down? Cooling down is easy I suppose, I just lower the speed of the treadmill and walk, usually stretch later.

I generally stretch a bit then just start running. I wonder if i'm starting too fast though, but I worry about losing energy in the warm up period if I were to walk or something.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 14 2011 11:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I only do this at the gym but cycling for 12-15 minutes before running almost always helps.

Otherwise I try to spend a long time stretching calves before I hit the road. I suck at preparing of course.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2011 12:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I tend not to do too much in the way of stretching. I think that because I'm so short, my muscles aren't stretched out as much as they would be if I were taller, and stretching doesn't seem to make a big difference with me.

I tend to start out slowly, and I walk a little at the end of my runs, but unless I'm standing around while waiting for a race to start I tend not to stretch that much.

TransMonk
Jun 14 2011 12:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I stretch lightly before a run, I'll then walk for about 6 blocks.

I try not to push myself for the first 1-2 K of a run until I'm comfortable and loose. I'll make up for that by trying to make the last 1-2 K of the run as fast as I comfortably can.

I'll then walk for about 6 blocks and then spend about 3 times as long stretching after the run than I did before the run.

metsmarathon
Jun 14 2011 01:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

we used to a light jog before cross country practices and races.

currently i stretch out my feet, calves, and quads before i run, and often before a race i'll do a little bit of warming up, but not much as i'm usually mired in a corral somewhere.

after i run, i should stretch thoroughly, but i've been foolishly ski(m/p)ping that for about half a year. oh, i've been constantly injured for half a year. hmm... interesting correlation there...

Ceetar
Jun 14 2011 02:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm attempting to go to the gym after work today for a second consecutive day, first time i've done consecutive days in a while. Maybe I'll try going easy to start and do the harder stuff last. Usually I try to run as long as I can to start with and then start and stop my way to the 30-39 minutes the treadmill lets me.

Fman99
Jun 20 2011 06:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran my fastest USATF accredited 5k yesterday with a 22:35 at the Father's Day 5k in Fulton, NY. This was the first race that I ran that was the same as last year and I was more pleased about the fact that I improved my time from last year by 95 seconds.

I also won some schwag, finishing 3rd in my age group. A friend picked it up for me, though I do not know what it is.

themetfairy
Jun 20 2011 07:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice job Fman - WTG!

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 21 2011 04:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Wow, Fman -- that's really flying! Good for you!

Ceetar
Jun 25 2011 12:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran outside because figured it was quicker than going to the gym. Had all sorts of frustrated angry energy after being on the phone with FIOS support. Ran 3.5 miles in 50 minutes. fairly crappy. (I usually finish whatever i do on the treadmill at a 12-12.5 ish pace) my shins were screaming for a good portion in the middle and I never got up a good jog in for more than like 45 seconds after that. Then at around the 3 mile mark, in an ambition to finish the 3.1 in under 43, I didn't lift my right foot enough, snagged it on a sidewalk tile, hit the pavement with my left knee and hands and rolled left onto the grass. ouch. and this was the first time I was running in a Mets shirt. I usually wear one of my old Town of Hempstead shirts.

themetfairy
Jun 25 2011 08:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ouch Ceetar! Been there, done that (recently - as in last week).

Consider the scrape a badge of honor!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 25 2011 09:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

S-t-r-e-t-c-h those calves.

I walk around with stupid heel pain every day I don't.

Ceetar
Jun 26 2011 08:59 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I thought I stretched, but I usually stretch on the treadmill so maybe I did a bad job of it outside. Also, might've been more hills than I was used to.

and yeah, ouch. Managed to mess up my right hand a bit too, no scrapes there but it hurts pretty good.

I'm pretty achy all over this morning, I can't tell if that's from falling or just that I used slightly different muscles than on the treadmill and they're not as used to it.

I think I need a beer.

attgig
Jun 27 2011 12:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

just thought i'd pass this article along:
http://www.indiavision.com/news/article/health/201167/


London - Scientists have claimed that chocolate milk is the best recovery drink to have after exercise, as it helps build more muscles, boost performance and keep off the fat.

After an exhausting session on the treadmill, many athletes usually reach for an isotonic sports drink or good old-fashioned water, but two new studies from The University of Texas at Austin have shown that chocolate milk is the ideal post-workout recovery drink.

"Serious and amateur athletes alike enjoyed physical recovery benefits when they drank low-fat chocolate milk after a vigorous workout," the Daily Mail quoted lead researcher Dr John Ivy as saying.

"The advantages for the study participants were better body composition in the form of more muscle and less fat, improved times while working out and overall better physical shape than peers who consumed sports beverages that just contained carbohydrates," he said.

Ivy and his team compared the recovery benefits of drinking low-fat chocolate milk after exercise to the effects of a carbohydrate beverage with the same ingredients and calories as typical sports drinks as well as to a calorie-free beverage.

They asked 10 trained cyclists to ride a bike for 90 minutes at moderate intensity, then for 10 minutes of high intensity intervals.

The scientists found the athletes had significantly more power and rode faster (reduced their ride time by an average of six minutes) when they consumed low-fat chocolate milk rather than a carbohydrate sports drink or calorie-free beverage.

The team also tested 32 amateur male and female cyclists, putting them through five intense spinning sessions a week followed by one of the three beverages.

They found after four and a half weeks that chocolate milk drinkers had twice the improvement in maximal oxygen uptake compared to the others.

Maximal oxygen uptake is one indicator of an athlete's aerobic endurance and ability to perform sustained exercise.

The amateur cyclists also built more muscle and shaved off more fat during training when they drank low-fat chocolate milk.

"We don't yet understand exactly what mechanism is causing low-fat chocolate milk to give athletes these advantages - that will take more research," Ivy stated.

"But there's something in the naturally-occurring protein and carbohydrate mix that offers significant benefits," he added.

Ivy added that a three-minute recovery window after exercise, for people of all fitness levels, was as important as the nutrition supplement.

The study has been published in The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research.

Read more: http://www.indiavision.com/news/article ... z1QVC3dZfE



btw, I've been a bum. serious bum. Last thing I did was order the marathon book....I need to get myself back on the wagon.

metsmarathon
Jun 27 2011 02:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

you don't have to tell me twice. more chocolate milk for me!

uh, once i start running again, that is...

themetfairy
Jun 27 2011 03:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

There's always a "your mileage might vary" element to these things. Most of the time, I can't stomach the thought of dairy products after a run.

OTOH, Shake Shack was giving out free shakes to runners after the Marathon, and that felt incredible. But that was at least a half an hour after I had finished the race.

Next Monday I'm running the Revolutionary Run 10K in Washington Crossing State Park. After that, I plan on taking things easy until next winter, when I start training for the Country Music Half Marathon April 29th in Nashville. A lot of Team McGraw runners participate in that one, and there are a lot of folks who (believe it or not) are even slower than I am. I may plan on a walk/run strategy for that one, but I'll decide for sure in the fall/winter.

I hope you guys are back out and running soon!

TransMonk
Jun 27 2011 03:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I can't stomach the thought of dairy products after a run.

Very much this.

Fman99
Jun 27 2011 06:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

What does it mean when you get soreness in the front of your ankle? Very odd place for pain....

themetfairy
Jun 27 2011 06:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Is it near where you tie your shoe?

Fman99
Jun 27 2011 06:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
Is it near where you tie your shoe?


Yep, and a little higher than that as well. I felt it last week when I did a long practice run (7.5 miles) and it hurt enough that I took off the next two days and loaded up on the ibuprofen. I ran last Thursday and Friday and didn't notice it, but then it showed up again today.

This week it's less painful, I may run again tomorrow if the weather allows it. But it was there, same spot as last week, and after about five miles today it was enough to make me want to stop.

themetfairy
Jun 27 2011 07:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I remember that happening once or twice during my long training runs last summer, but not since then.

Maybe the shoe tongue is hitting the top of your foot funny? What if you untie and retie the shoe and see if that helps?

If not, I'd ask your doctor - you don't want to mess around with something that's causing you pain.

Fman99
Jun 27 2011 09:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I remember that happening once or twice during my long training runs last summer, but not since then.

Maybe the shoe tongue is hitting the top of your foot funny? What if you untie and retie the shoe and see if that helps?

If not, I'd ask your doctor - you don't want to mess around with something that's causing you pain.


I actually thought something like that. I usually don't even untie and retie my running shoes, I just wedge into them already tied. Perhaps my right shoe has just come loose and I'm tensing up the front of my ankle to keep my shoe on.

Ceetar
Jun 27 2011 09:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

There are so many odd little muscles and bones in the foot that can hurt. It does sound like a shoe malfunction.

metsmarathon
Jun 28 2011 07:45 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

could it be the tongue is bunching up, creating a pressure point? any chance your shoelaces are bouncing up and hitting your foot there?

my running shoes are typically only tight enough so that they don't fall off.

themetfairy
Jun 28 2011 07:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:
I usually don't even untie and retie my running shoes, I just wedge into them already tied.



DON'T DO THAT!

Ceetar
Jun 28 2011 08:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
could it be the tongue is bunching up, creating a pressure point? any chance your shoelaces are bouncing up and hitting your foot there?

my running shoes are typically only tight enough so that they don't fall off.


see now I'd think you'd want them tight as can be? I'd been tying them tighter lately (although I should note I did just shove my feet in there this last time. I'm still gonna blame the Mets shirt for getting me hurt though) but I can't tell if that was helping.

TransMonk
Jun 28 2011 08:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
my running shoes are typically only tight enough so that they don't fall off.

I'm in this boat. I make the laces as loose as possible. You shouldn't need to go too tight if the shoe itself fits properly.

metsmarathon
Jun 28 2011 08:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

if i tie my shoes tight, my foot gets overly confined and is forced to make an arch where there is none. i then get truly excruciating pain on the bottom of my foot that only stops once i take my shoes off, or loosen them significantly.

ideally, i will tie my shoes once, and leave them tied until they are retired. from walking duty. in real life, it takes about a week or two to find the sweet spot on the laces where they're just tight enough to stay on. they slip on and off without catching a heel. if i have to re-tie them, it takes a while getting them back to good.

i'm sure from a lateral stability standpoint, what i do is less than ideal. but i'm basically running in straight lines. it may also not be good for the life expectancy of my shoes/laces, but my size and running style paces that one. and i'm not necessarily taking full advantage of all the fancy technology that might be in my shoes, but i buy fairly basic runners anyways.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 28 2011 07:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Damn, I put my shoes on, pull the tongue up gently, then tie them like I'm afraid someone is going to try to steal them off my feet. After I finish lifting and stretching, I often retie my shoes just before starting my run if they feel a little loose to me. I guess I'm a little weird.

I skipped my weight lifting session tonight since I ran yesterday and plan to run tomorrow evening after work. I generally try not to do lifting on three successive days or I tend to get stiff and sore. Since I was skipping the lifting, I decided to make my monthly attempt at a personal best for 5K. I set the treadmill for 35 minutes and took off. I turned the first mile in 7:05 and knew I would need to pick up the pace a bit. I hit the 2 mile mark at 14:00 flat and knew I had a shot at a new personal best if I could hold it together and start my kick at the 18:30 mark. I felt strong and kept up a good pace, but didn't really kick it in at 9.2 mph until the 19 minute mark. I ended up hitting the 5K in 21:21 just 2 seconds shy of my best. It irritated me to get so close and not quite make it, but I felt good so I backed it down for about 3 minutes before taking off to finish my run strong. I decided to see if I could maintain my pace and try to get in 5 miles in the 35 minutes. I hit 4.32 miles at the 30 minute mark, so I knew i had a sot at my secondary goal. I was able to pick up the pace a little for the final few minutes to end with 5.05 miles in 35 minutes. Unfortunately, my knees are now a little sore and I ended up with a small blister on my right instep. I believe tomorrow I'll put more emphasis on the lifting session and then put in a nice leisurely 30 minute run.

themetfairy
Jun 28 2011 07:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work RD - you've made impressive progress!

metsmarathon
Jun 28 2011 08:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

yikes, those are pretty close to my own pr's!

awesome work!

Fman99
Jun 30 2011 07:18 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
could it be the tongue is bunching up, creating a pressure point? any chance your shoelaces are bouncing up and hitting your foot there?


It occurs to me that Fwife bought me a different brand of socks recently that seem a little thicker in the ankle area. I wonder if this is an issue with my ankle being too crowded into my shoe with these socks on. I can't recall which days I was wearing these new socks but I've had them about the same amount of time as these last two instances of ankle pain.

Hopefully that's all that it is.

What brand of socks do you guys like for running? These new ones were Joe Boxer brand, and I've had issues with Starter brand also being too thick, but in the toes region and I end up getting callouses/blisters. The only brand of off the shelf generic socks thin enough to not give me problems seems to be Hanes. I'll have to track down another dozen pair or so of those.

TransMonk
Jun 30 2011 07:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:
What brand of socks do you guys like for running?

SmartWool PhD Running Ultra Light Mini Sock

TransMonk
Jun 30 2011 07:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

After this morning's 8K, I'll finish June with 94.4 miles run (152 km) which will bring my total for 2011 up to 413.8 miles (666 km). I spent 14:22:25 running in June giving me a 5:40/km pace. The speed's getting better, but I'm still going for distance.

I put 220 miles on my bike this month, too.

This month, I switched from primarily running in the evening after work to primarily running in the morning before work. I must say, it is much easier to get it done in the morning. I've gotten into a routine of running 37 Km a week: 5K on Tuesday, 8K on Thursday, 8K on Friday and 16K on Saturday. I've been running for speed on the 5 and 8Ks and just running to stay consistent and strong on the 16K.

Halfway through the year and I'm 100% confident that if I remain injury free, I'll get to my goal of 1000 miles in 2011.

Farmer Ted
Jun 30 2011 07:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I've been using Balega socks exclusively for eight years. Really nice, but my ultra-running peeps have been trying to coax me into Drymax.

Ceetar
Jun 30 2011 07:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I pull whichever random two white socks are in my basket. Often they don't even match. sometimes they have holes. As you can see, i'm not very good at this.

I've never really put much thought into which socks i'm wearing. Usually I go after work and my feet are just happy to change out of my black socks that it doesn't matter.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 30 2011 08:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
After this morning's 8K, I'll finish June with 94.4 miles run (152 km) which will bring my total for 2011 up to 413.8 miles (666 km). I spent 14:22:25 running in June giving me a 5:40/km pace. The speed's getting better, but I'm still going for distance.

I put 220 miles on my bike this month, too.

This month, I switched from primarily running in the evening after work to primarily running in the morning before work. I must say, it is much easier to get it done in the morning. I've gotten into a routine of running 37 Km a week: 5K on Tuesday, 8K on Thursday, 8K on Friday and 16K on Saturday. I've been running for speed on the 5 and 8Ks and just running to stay consistent and strong on the 16K.

Halfway through the year and I'm 100% confident that if I remain injury free, I'll get to my goal of 1000 miles in 2011.


Awesome. Travel and continued left foot weirdness have cut into my miles in June, I'll finish with 59.67 miles for the month and 375.5 for the 6 months, a 750-mile pace for the year, about where I figured I'd be.

themetfairy
Jun 30 2011 09:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TM - Awesome is right!

As for socks, I favor Feetures for racing, but Drymax is also good.

metsmarathon
Jun 30 2011 10:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i've got a bunch of socks that i wear. the common thread is that they're not cotton and they have a little bit of plush. thin socks cause me to slip and slide around in my shoes. the slight bit of cushion helps me not do so.

i do very much like the balega socks

Fman99
Jun 30 2011 03:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Banged out 4.4 miles today at about a normal pace for me at that distance, 8:20 per mile. Ankle barking for most of the last 3 miles or so.

I found an ankle brace I used to wear years ago, an old Ace one that I cut up for comfort. I will give that a shot tomorrow.

Finished June at 60.1 miles and 366 miles for 2011. My goal for the year was 700 miles so I'm holding steady for that pace.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 30 2011 10:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I got 4 pairs of DryMax Lite Mesh socks a few months ago and really like them. I plan to get a few more pairs soon.

Due to a lot of traveling and meetings, I didn't get in as much running as I would have liked in June. I had a 12 day stretch without a single work out that set me back a bit. I only ran 10 times in June and the 51.80 miles were the least I had done in any month this year. Still, I manged to get in a few good runs in during the month as I posted my two best 5K times to date (21:19 on June 8th and 21:21 yesterday evening). I have logged 372.08 miles for the year. If I can finish with 750 miles for the year I'll be very satisfied.

metsmarathon
Jul 01 2011 07:52 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

about 7.5 miles for the month, 195 for the year.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 02 2011 12:03 PM
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I got my July off to a great start today. I breezed through most of my weight lifting routine without much problem this morning, then spent a little extra time stretching out my legs since my calves felt really tight. I felt much better after stretching and I headed for the treadmill.

I turned the TV to the Wimbledon Tennis coverage and took off on a 45 minute run. I quickly realized that my legs actually felt pretty good, so I tried pressing the pace a little bit. I turned the first mile in 7:00 flat. I kept pressing on as I watched Petra Kvitova finish closing out her match against Maria Sharapova to capture the Women's Championship. I hit the 2 mile mark in 13:49 and decided to push it the remainder of the 5K. I hit the 5K mark in a personal best of 21:16. I kept cruising onward and hit 4.35 miles at the 30 minute mark. I watched the Bryan brothers start their match in the Men's Doubles Finals as I pressed onward. I started hamstrings were starting to tighten up and I was starting to fatigue as the Bryan brothers took an eraly 1st set lead in their match. When i hit the 39 minute mark, I knew it was time to take off and kick for the 10K mark. I took off at 9.2 mph and didn't let off until I reached the 10K mark at 42:33. I then relaxed and coasted the remainder of my run at relaxed 8.5 mph pace to finish the 45 minute run with 6.56 miles behind me and the Bryan brothers holding a 5-3 lead in the first set of their match.

It was great to have run a personal best in the opening 5K, but it was even more exciting to me when I realized that I had run the second 5K in 21:17 which was only one second slower than the opening 5K. Since my gym is closed on Monday for Independence Day, I plan to run outside in the sweltering 90+ degree heat and humidity. I expect my pace will be dramatically slower in the heat, but I hope to do much better than last years July 4th run.

Fman99
Jul 03 2011 01:10 PM
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Good luck Doc!

I ran an inaugural 5k today in a nearby town with proceeds being sent to the troops overseas. All the normal hiccups of a new race -- an ill defined course that seemed to multiple runners to be shorter than 5k (according to GPS watches, and phones, and many of them setting PRs), they ran out of t-shirts even though I preregistered, and so on. Not my favorite course, but the day was good -- I'm going to a cookout tonight and didn't want to get up early tomorrow to run in anything. I ran a 22:45 and more importantly my ankle didn't really bother me during the race.

So I'm in good shape for my big 15k next Sunday.

themetfairy
Jul 03 2011 04:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Good work gentlemen!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 04 2011 09:25 AM
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I awoke this morning feeling pretty good. I had a light breakfast and got ready for my run. It was a warm, sunny morning with a slight breeze and 82 degrees as I took off for my short at 9:10 AM. Last year, I took out far too fast and burned myself out, so this year I was determined not to make the same mistake. Unfortunately, I opened a little too slowly and spent most of my run trying to unsuccessfully get back to the pace I had set in my mind. Ultimately, I finished the short 2.65 mile course in a very disappointing 23:18. It was a very disappointing and sobering run for me.

I can't say quite what it is, but there is a very different feel to running on the treadmill as opposed to running on the grass and roadways. Last year, the heat and humidity got to me, but this year that really wasn't a factor as it was really pretty nice weather outside at the time of my run. My legs felt pretty good, but I just felt tired and winded most of the run. I do like running downhill, but of course the uphill stretches aren't too fun.

Those of you that are piling up the mileage outdoors and running races, you have my respect. I would like to run a 5K this fall, but I don't want to do so if I can't reasonably approximate the times that I am able to run at the gym. At present, it doesn't appear that I'm even close to being ready.

Ceetar
Jul 04 2011 09:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I awoke this morning feeling pretty good. I had a light breakfast and got ready for my run. It was a warm, sunny morning with a slight breeze and 82 degrees as I took off for my short at 9:10 AM. Last year, I took out far too fast and burned myself out, so this year I was determined not to make the same mistake. Unfortunately, I opened a little too slowly and spent most of my run trying to unsuccessfully get back to the pace I had set in my mind. Ultimately, I finished the short 2.65 mile course in a very disappointing 23:18. It was a very disappointing and sobering run for me.

I can't say quite what it is, but there is a very different feel to running on the treadmill as opposed to running on the grass and roadways. Last year, the heat and humidity got to me, but this year that really wasn't a factor as it was really pretty nice weather outside at the time of my run. My legs felt pretty good, but I just felt tired and winded most of the run. I do like running downhill, but of course the uphill stretches aren't too fun.

Those of you that are piling up the mileage outdoors and running races, you have my respect. I would like to run a 5K this fall, but I don't want to do so if I can't reasonably approximate the times that I am able to run at the gym. At present, it doesn't appear that I'm even close to being ready.


I'm obviously not very good at this and don't run outside often, but I do find even a slight increase in incline has devastating effects on times. And it's easy not to really notice a small, but bigger than you're used to, incline outside. (At least, I don't think I can tell a 1.0 incline or anything outside, but then I didn't even notice that one sidewalk tile raised an inch or so..)

themetfairy
Jul 04 2011 10:16 AM
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You need to let go of times and just get out there and run - it's so much more satisfying than indoor running.

I ran the Revolutionary Run 10K this morning. You gotta love a race which has a musket as its starting gun -




I'm waiting for my official score to be announced, but I finished in aroune 1:15. It was really a little quicker than this, but the chip time was only used for the finish time (as opposed to calculating a net time). All things considered, including the humidity, I was pleased with my time. It wasn't fast, but I ran a consistent pace throughout.

Afterwards, one of the race organizers asked me how I did. I told him that I felt great, and he replied, "You deserve a flag!" So he gave me one of the flags that had been on the course -





This was my last planned long race for a while. I'll do the Country Music Half Marathon with Team McGraw next April, but between now and then I'm planning on taking things easy (after about 1 3/4 years of continuous training for one event or another). I'm looking forward to having a little break - I think my body really needs it.

metsmarathon
Jul 04 2011 10:26 AM
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when i run on a treadmill, i usually set the incline to 0.5, as 0.0 always feels like i'm running downhill.

not coincidentally, i always feel like running on a treadmill is harder than running the same pace in the real world.

my official 5k pr's are always on courses with some inclines. nothing huge, but still noticeable and apt to affect your pace. my unofficial 5k pr is about 45 seconds faster, on a dead-flat course.

the thing that makes running in the real world harder, i think, is that your pace is all up to you - if you start to lose focus, you don't have the belt maintaining your pace. plus, there's the whole terrain thing.

i wouldn't be too discouraged by the relatively poor showing in your run. not at all. it's a learning experience. you're going from a controlled environment to one with uncontrollable variables. it's a learning experience. i think that with favorable weather, you'd be able to get your outdoor pace to become very similar to your indoor pace once you become more accustomed to the outdoorsiness. the running on pavement, controlling your pace, and adapting to terrain. it's not indicative of a lack of ability or fitness, only a lack of experience.

and to echo what metfairy said about letting go of times, i tend to agree, especially as you transition from one environment to the pther. run based on how you feel not how fast you're going. i plan on heeding this advice as i attempt to get myself back on the horse. i'm thinking of giving the running thing a try today, running with the wife and kid. since mrs.mm is in better shape than me, and since i'm recovering from injury, she gets to push minimm in the bob stroller. haha. i'm probably going to leave my watch at home.

Ceetar
Jul 05 2011 02:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm aiming to run a 5th of a mile per beer I drank this weekend (going back through Thursday) in about 30 minutes. Presumably this negates all those calories right?

Fman99
Jul 05 2011 03:57 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
not coincidentally, i always feel like running on a treadmill is harder than running the same pace in the real world.



I feel the same way. I've never broken 23:30 for a 5k on a treadmill.

metsmarathon wrote:
the thing that makes running in the real world harder, i think, is that your pace is all up to you - if you start to lose focus, you don't have the belt maintaining your pace. plus, there's the whole terrain thing.



I couldn't agree more on this point. And, like you, I was running for months on treadmills before I ever set foot outside. Now, it helped me that I picked up about a minute per mile on my pace when I got off the treadmill, so that's had an effect on where I prefer to run...

What I've found, that helps me stay on pace, is to run somewhere where mile markers are clearly posted (like the park where I run), or, alternately, do what MM has done and make mental/physical notes as to where the mile markers are. If you do this and wear an inexpensive digital watch you can better pace yourself in real time. The park where I run has markers every 1/4 mile, so I can see exactly what my splits look like as I run. It's great feedback.

Also, to echo what MF said, once you get into a groove of running outside, it is (to me) a far more enjoyable experience than being on the treadmill. Enjoy the great outdoors, get some fresh air and vitamin D, enjoy your climates. You have more months of outdoor running weather down there (I reckon) than we do in NY/NJ and therefore more reason to embrace it, if it ends up working out that way for you.

Not to sound preachy or dickish, just trying to help of course.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 06 2011 08:00 PM
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I appreciate everyone's feedback and advice. Every time I try to run outside I see my times drop off dramatically and it depresses me because I don't do nearly as well as I expected going in. I know I shouldn't focus so much on times, but I am a very goal oriented and competitive individual. Since I have no one to run and train with, I find that constantly striving to improve on my own times or distances keeps me motivated. Without the constant drive to improve my own runs, I would most likely lose interest and quit. I lift weights and run for the health benefits and to control my weight, not because I actually enjoy it.

I do virtually all of my treadmill running on a 0.5 degree grade. Occasionally, I run on a 1 degree slope. I plan to start increasing the slope by 0.5 degree every week or two. Meanwhile, I will try to run outdoors a few times a month in hopes of learning to gauge my pace better for myself. I hope to slowly improve my outdoor runs over time as I have done on the treadmill at the gym.

Unfortunately, I'm not running in a scenic park or a marked running trail. I am running on the shoulder of highways and along residential streets, so the enjoying nature aspect of running outdoors is minimal. Meanwhile, I will try to scout out a more scenic route for my outdoor runs.

I truly appreciate everyone's feedback and advice. Without the support and encouragement of others posting in this thread I would have never started running in the first place.

Ceetar
Jul 07 2011 06:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc wrote:

Unfortunately, I'm not running in a scenic park or a marked running trail. I am running on the shoulder of highways and along residential streets, so the enjoying nature aspect of running outdoors is minimal. Meanwhile, I will try to scout out a more scenic route for my outdoor runs.


Residential streets are still better than stationary, no? At least the scenery changes..just watch out for raised sidewalk tiles.

I should've gone for at least a short run outside yesterday, but back to the gym today on the treadmill. My view will be McDonalds for 45 minutes and 3.5 miles. I wonder if they intentionally build the McDonalds right there.. This is actually a common problem for me, if I run outside my apartment, depending on the wind I'm running in the Nabisco Factory Scent Cloud, smelling all of the country's oreo cookies baking. Once when I was doing a quick loop, I actually ran past the open window where the ovens were. torture.

I ran Tuesday, which was 10 days since my last run/fall. My shins really hurt again, as they did on that outside run.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 07 2011 04:54 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Residential streets are still better than stationary, no? At least the scenery changes..just watch out for raised sidewalk tiles.


Obviously, most others on this forum prefer running outside which is fine. I generally watch the television when running on the treadmill at the gym. I have watched college football and basketball games, the College World Series, Wimbledon matches, movies, the news on CNN, and once several innings of a Mets game. I am an oddity I guess, but I actually prefer running on the treadmill. The time seems to pass much more quickly when my mind is occupied by something on the television, rather than worrying about about uneven footing, the sloping shoulder of the road, or watching for traffic. The scenery when running near my home holds no great fascination to me. Besides the weight room is already conveniently located at the gym along with the treadmill. I will try to improve my running outdoors simply so I can run one or two 5Ks for local charities and to prove to myself that I can do it to a level reasonably approximating my treadmill runs.

themetfairy
Jul 07 2011 06:07 PM
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D-Dad also prefers the treadmill - he feels that it's easier on his knees.

I started running when the kids were small; running was my only time of the day that nobody needed a diaper change, wanted apple juice, etc. It's my time not to think about things. On the treadmill I focus too much on the numbers; outside I'm in a better position to enjoy the sensation of movement.

Fman99
Jul 07 2011 06:33 PM
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I am lucky to live so close to a park with lots of shade, paved roads, mile markers painted on the ground and the choice to stay on asphalt or hit some gravel/dirt road trails. I only run on public streets if absolutely forced to.

Ceetar
Jul 08 2011 06:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
Residential streets are still better than stationary, no? At least the scenery changes..just watch out for raised sidewalk tiles.


Obviously, most others on this forum prefer running outside which is fine. I generally watch the television when running on the treadmill at the gym. I have watched college football and basketball games, the College World Series, Wimbledon matches, movies, the news on CNN, and once several innings of a Mets game. I am an oddity I guess, but I actually prefer running on the treadmill. The time seems to pass much more quickly when my mind is occupied by something on the television, rather than worrying about about uneven footing, the sloping shoulder of the road, or watching for traffic. The scenery when running near my home holds no great fascination to me. Besides the weight room is already conveniently located at the gym along with the treadmill. I will try to improve my running outdoors simply so I can run one or two 5Ks for local charities and to prove to myself that I can do it to a level reasonably approximating my treadmill runs.



see, the key here is your gym has a TV attached. That would make things so much easier. I guess maybe if I invested in a bluetooth headset of some kind, I could run and prop my iPod up and what that.

themetfairy
Jul 08 2011 07:32 AM
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I save my iPod for my long runs - it does get me going.

I only use one ear bud though, because I want to be able to hear the traffic, etc.

Fman99
Jul 09 2011 07:52 PM
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Going to bed early tonight, tomorrow is the Boilermaker 15k in Utica, it's the biggest road race in upstate NY and they capped their participation at 13,000 runners this year (and another 4000 runners doing the 5k they have). The race is followed by a big after-race party with live music and free beer.

It's my first Boilermaker and I'm jazzed for it, should be fun.

Ashie62
Jul 09 2011 07:55 PM
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Too bad the Utica Brewery has closed shop.

Fman99
Jul 10 2011 05:14 PM
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Had a super time, aside from a couple of small blisters on my toes I am no worse for wear. Finished 3042nd out of 11,047 official finishers, with a chip time of 1:19:20, 244th out of 633 men in my 35-39 age group. Made my goal of being in under 80 minutes and had a kick ass time to boot.

I am thankful to be healthy enough to enjoy these activities, after years of not being able to do so.

themetfairy
Jul 10 2011 05:35 PM
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You run 15K in the time I take to run 10K.

WTG Fman - that rocks!

themetfairy
Jul 10 2011 07:02 PM
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Who wants to run a 10K in Brooklyn with me in October and get Rock N Roll Bling in the process?

The inagural Rock N Roll New York 10K will take place in Prospect Park on October 22nd. I signed up for it - who's going to join me?

metsmarathon
Jul 10 2011 07:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

nice work!

i'm myself thinking of getting myself into some sort of physical therapy. i'm tired of my calf being broken, and need to start training for the army ten miler in october. suddenly, at the age of 34, it appears i can no longer recover from injury. wtf is that shit?

seriously. i've run half marathons with more of a calf strain. this is bullshit.

i'm thinking electro-stim, ultrasound, heat therapy, cold therapy, massage, and rehab are just what i need.

hmm... 10k in brooklyn two weeks later... tempting. and two weeks after that is a trail half that i'm pissed i missed last year. i'd better get healthy fast!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 10 2011 09:48 PM
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Great job, Fman. You've come a long way in such a short time. I can't imagine running 15K outdoors in the heat and humidity of July. Do you know what kind of times were the old (50+) codgers like me were running?

Marathon, I hope you recover soon. I'm sure being injured is extremely frustrating to you.

Fman99
Jul 11 2011 07:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks guys.

RD -- there were guys in their 50's who clocked in less than an hour -- and guys that took 2 1/2 hours. Like every age group, when there are 11,000 runners you'll get a real range of abilities. A friend of mine who is 52 actually placed 11th out of 600+ runners in the 50-54 age group with a time of 62 minutes and change.

Here's the full results in case you want to get a sense of what the 50-something men did.

Hey MM -- hope you can get your issues worked out sooner than later. I shudder at the thought of being out of commission during this time of year. If my ankle barks for the next four months I will take some time off from running in late autumn, when the weather turns. I won't be heartbroken about missing a few weeks on the treadmill.

Ceetar
Jul 12 2011 05:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:


i'm thinking electro-stim, ultrasound, heat therapy, cold therapy, massage, and rehab are just what i need.



I think this everytime I hear about all the treatment an injured baseball player is getting pregame.

I often wonder if it'd be better just to sit on the couch all day with your leg up and have a beer.

metsmarathon
Jul 12 2011 08:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

well, it's not working now. maybe i'm not just having enough beers or resting on a comfy enough couch...

Ceetar
Jul 12 2011 09:11 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
well, it's not working now. maybe i'm not just having enough beers or resting on a comfy enough couch...


get stem cells injected into it!

chriopractor?

themetfairy
Jul 12 2011 09:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

See a sports specialist. I went to one for P/T on my hamstring/glute last year, and it was beneficial.

Feel better!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 12 2011 09:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I've been running infrequently and like shit for a month or more now but signed up today for the "Undy 500" 5K on the boardwalk in Long Branch NJ on July 23. The race is a cancer benefit and I'm running with "Team LiLi" which is headed by an old friend from college whose sister is fighting cancer. I think you're supposed to wear boxer shorts to race, not sure if I will actually do that....

Here's the deets if you'd like to run or even contribute:

[url]http://support.ccalliance.org/site/TR?fr_id=1430&pg=entry

Rockin' Doc
Jul 12 2011 06:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I appreciate the information, Fman. I have a friend that's 2-3 years younger than me that consistently posts times of 18:20-18:40 for 5K races. He's currently training for the 2012 Boston Marathon. Needless to say, I can't run or train with him. I'm hoping there aren't too many 50+ guys around our area that will run that fast.

Fman99
Jul 12 2011 07:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I appreciate the information, Fman. I have a friend that's 2-3 years younger than me that consistently posts times of 18:20-18:40 for 5K races. He's currently training for the 2012 Boston Marathon. Needless to say, I can't run or train with him. I'm hoping there aren't too many 50+ guys around our area that will run that fast.


I get dusted, in every race I run, by women, by guys 20 years older than me and 20 years younger than me. Honestly, I have so much fun with the competition that I've never fretted about that sort of thing. I compete against myself -- how fast did I run that race last year -- and the other men in my age bracket. I've been pleased to find that I'm consistently in the top 20-30% of finishers among men in their late 30's on the 5k's, and the top 30-40% on longer runs.

metsmarathon
Jul 12 2011 07:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

doc, even if you miss your treadmill pace by a minute per mile, in a smaller local race, you've still got a decent shot at collecting an age group award. you'll probably take top 5 regularly, and will eventually sneak in for a top 3. last year, i ran in 5 or 6 5ks with fewer than 500 participants. in each of them, a 25:00 5k gets you top 5 in either 50-54 or 55-59, sometimes top 3. for the record, in each of those races, i ran sub 22, so they weren't slow courses by a long shot.

if you come anywhere near your treadmill pace in a 5k - and i'm absolutely certain that you will - you'll love running in races. it might be bad for your ego, but it's a tradeoff.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 12 2011 08:41 PM
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I appreciate the input guys. This running stuff is pretty new to me, so I don't have any idea what to expect in races. I have no delusions of winning races or even my age bracket, I just want to be competitive and meet my own expectations. I just didn't know what my expectations should be. My goal is to slowly improve upon my pace outdoors and try to bring it closer to my pace on the treadmill. It's just going to take longer than I originally expected, but I think I will eventually get there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 12 2011 09:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Having expectations is overrated. Just get to the race early, stay hydrated and stretch, and don't die of a heart attack. If you do all that you will do fine.

Stupid warm tonite and my foot is such a mess I taped too much and blistered at the heel when there tape was. I really gotta bear down and get some new shoes.

bmfc1
Jul 13 2011 09:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

RD--being in a race is fun even if you have no expectations of winning. Just preparing for the race focuses your pre-race runs as you now have a goal of doing well in the race. Whatever "well" is depends on you and not the speedsters that finish at 5K in 15:30. Not to make this about me, but when I run in my neighborhood, my 5K time is usually around 31 minutes. However, when I'm in a 5K race, I do 28. I like that. It shows me that I can run faster than I do in "practice" and if I do better in causal runs, then I should do even better in a race.

Which leads to one piece of advice: don't try to keep up with the rabbits at the start. You'll naturally run faster because of all those around you but don't burn yourself out.

There's also the comerardery of being a group of people that care so much about the same thing... like the CPF but much sweatier.

Fman99
Jul 13 2011 07:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

bmfc1 wrote:
RD--being in a race is fun even if you have no expectations of winning. Just preparing for the race focuses your pre-race runs as you now have a goal of doing well in the race. Whatever "well" is depends on you and not the speedsters that finish at 5K in 15:30. Not to make this about me, but when I run in my neighborhood, my 5K time is usually around 31 minutes. However, when I'm in a 5K race, I do 28. I like that. It shows me that I can run faster than I do in "practice" and if I do better in causal runs, then I should do even better in a race.


Agreed. I am always faster in races than when I run alone.

themetfairy
Jul 14 2011 07:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I just ran the Strides for Stroke 5K in 34:29:91. Not an objectively great speed, but it was my fastest 5K of the year so far. Even better, I felt great doing it.

I didn't realize just how much the Marathon and stair races took out of me until June, when I suddenly started feeling more like myself again.

Ceetar
Jul 14 2011 08:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I just ran the Strides for Stroke 5K in 34:29:91. Not an objectively great speed, but it was my fastest 5K of the year so far. Even better, I felt great doing it.

I didn't realize just how much the Marathon and stair races took out of me until June, when I suddenly started feeling more like myself again.


hey good job!

(And I'm catching up, I hit the 5K mark at 36 minutes today on the treadmill, continued on to 4miles in 48 minutes. Best I've felt after working out/running so far this year probably. well, we'll see tomorrow, but I fought my post workout headache with a beer, which worked much better than the usual bucket of water)

themetfairy
Jul 14 2011 08:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
I just ran the Strides for Stroke 5K in 34:29:91. Not an objectively great speed, but it was my fastest 5K of the year so far. Even better, I felt great doing it.

I didn't realize just how much the Marathon and stair races took out of me until June, when I suddenly started feeling more like myself again.


hey good job!

(And I'm catching up, I hit the 5K mark at 36 minutes today on the treadmill, continued on to 4miles in 48 minutes. Best I've felt after working out/running so far this year probably. well, we'll see tomorrow, but I fought my post workout headache with a beer, which worked much better than the usual bucket of water)


Nice job yourself Ceetar!

metsmarathon
Jul 15 2011 11:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i'm still on the shelf. i went to a sports medicine doctor who prescribed some voltron gel. or was it voltaren? eh, i'm going with voltron. i'll be slathering it on for a while, and maybe it'll help with the healing and inflamation and what not. it seems to help the owie.

i had a softball game yesterday, and was able to patrol left center to very little ill effect. i had to run down a few balls, too, pulling off few good catches. there were two balls hit nowhere near me that i almost got to. one went over the right center fielder's head, and he was slow going back on it. when it landed i was two strides away, and kicking myself for not turning on the jets just a little more. i had a good play coming in on a ball, charging hard in from deep outfield to deep short. kindof surprised my teammates that i got to it, too. then there was the line drive that was hit right at me, but looked like it was going to be short. i took a step in, realized i made a fatal error, and turned and ran. i reached up as it was sailing overhead, and snagged it on the running leap, tumbling to the ground a la jim edmonds. my teammates were equally surprised that i got to it and that i didn't injure anything on the play. got up quick enough to prevent an advance by the runners, too.

all that running around the outfield didn't seem to hurt me any, but i'm not about to pretend i'm ready to actually start running soon. i might hold off until the very end of the month...

Rockin' Doc
Jul 15 2011 08:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I hope you're back running soon. Good to hear that you can at least do Carlos Beltran impersonations in the outfield for your softball team while you're waiting out the healing process. it sounds like you're getting close to hitting the running trail again fairly soon.

I'm pretty sure the medication the sports medicine doctor gave you is Voltaren Gel. Voltaren is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatroy drug (NSAID) that possesses analgesic properties. It should help to reduce inflammation while easing your discomfort.

metsmarathon
Jul 15 2011 09:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

no, it's voltron gel. it'll turn me into a giant sword-weilding robot comprised of five lions. then, suddenly, i'll be made of cars, only its the past. and then, a few years later, there'll be some obviously politically incorrect live action version of me running around with people doing fake martial arts, where the black one is dressed in black, the asian is in yellow, teh girl is in pink, a boy in blue, and some other guy in red. he might even be part native american, but i forget. maybe he's a commie. regardless, it's voltron gel. it'll turn me into a pack of lions that turn invincible only after they join together and pull an energy sword out of thin air.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 16 2011 05:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Damn, that's some good stuff.

Ceetar
Jul 20 2011 06:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Apparently that 'air quality alert' thing ain't joking. Tried to run at the gym yesterday and struggled with 2.2 miles in 25 minutes. Not so much from aches or heart rate, it was just hard to breathe.

of course, I also didn't have coffee yesterday. Maybe i'm just lazy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 20 2011 07:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I tried running 7 miles last night and wound up at 5.3. Wasn;t the weather so much as the fact that my friggin feet hurt.

themetfairy
Jul 21 2011 09:52 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Just got back from our 5-day cruise to Bermuda. There was a running track on the ship. 5 laps equal a mile.

Day 1 - D-Dad got up with me to run. We put in 15 laps/3 miles. Lots of people on the track, both in the walking and the running lanes.

Day 2 - It was drizzling, and we were arriving in port. I ran 10 laps/2 miles. Fewer walkers and runners than Day 1, but a good number of die-hards still out there.

Day 3 - D-Dad and I ran a half an hour on Bermuda soil, albeit in the rain. Weather aside, I always love running in my favorite place in the world.

Day 4 - Beautiful weather, but few runners. I put in 16 laps/just over 5K. For the first 12 laps I was the only runner out there, and there were only about four walkers.

Day 5 - Windy conditions caused the running track to be closed this morning, and the health club wasn't open. I couldn't have run if I wanted to.

So I didn't get any great distances in, but I kept active on the cruise. Considering the fact that I was running around in circles, and in the rain half the time, I'm pretty pleased with my vacation running.

TransMonk
Jul 21 2011 10:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I had to cut my 8K run this morning to 6K and I dogged it for the last 2.

It was already 83 degrees at 6:15 when I left my house for the run. Yuck.

Ceetar
Jul 21 2011 11:37 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
I had to cut my 8K run this morning to 6K and I dogged it for the last 2.

It was already 83 degrees at 6:15 when I left my house for the run. Yuck.


I should go to the gym after work. My weightloss goals don't take a day off because of the heat, but raising my heartrate that much in this heat, even inside, may be more stupid than healthy.

Fman99
Jul 21 2011 06:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Did four miles yesterday afternoon in stifling heat. I swear I could feel the hot asphalt through the soles of my running shoes as I was running.

metsmarathon
Jul 21 2011 09:09 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

ordinarily, i hate not being able to run.

this week, eh, not so much.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 21 2011 09:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

even worse tonight than tuesday. left the house feeling better but when i hit the wall i hit the wall. crapped out at about 4 miles, very discouraging.

soupcan
Jul 22 2011 07:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Tough week to run.

I'd been doing 5 miles about 2-3 times a week but this week, man. I've been struggling to do 3.

MFS62
Jul 22 2011 09:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

For this week at least, the running thread should be merged with the "Live and Sweaty" thread.

Later

TransMonk
Jul 22 2011 09:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I had rain this morning. Planned on 8K but sputtered out at 6K again. Wet, wet, wet.

It's supposed to rain again tomorrow. I'll have to fight through it.

Fman99
Jul 22 2011 11:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Hope to bang out another 3.5-4 miles tonight after work and then head right over to the park pool. I have to sign up Fboy for his next session of swim lessons anyway, might as well take a dip while I'm there.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2011 11:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I put in three slow and brutal miles this morning, and was really lightheaded afterwards.

I may be going back to the treadmill for the duration of this heat wave....

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 22 2011 11:23 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Doing a 5K tomorrow. Fortunately, it's next to an ocean.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 25 2011 10:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Survived the 5K Saturday on the boardwalk at Long Branch. Little bit cooler by the ocean but no shade in sight, my goal to not die was successful, but finished in a pokey 26:42. Most of the folks I talked to there were down off their regular times by 2 minutes or so. Race raised $80K for cancer so that was successful too.

themetfairy
Jul 25 2011 11:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Long Branch is nice - the boardwalk there is pretty.

Your pokey still beats my PR - well done Lunchie!

themetfairy
Jul 25 2011 04:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I ordered the Nike+ GPS Watch as an early birthday present to myself.

I can finally throw my friggin' Garmin into the lake now :)

Fman99
Jul 28 2011 02:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Had a mid-week 5k last night, the annual Midsummer Night's Dream Run in a park near my home. It's a real cross county run, trails, gravel, some serious hills, and some real serious competition. I finished 45th out of 60 or so in the men's heat with a time of 23:25 or so. Though I did improve my time from last year by 70 seconds.

Then, ran another 2 miles or so post race while the women's heat was going on, with a buddy of mine, just to get a few extra miles in. Felt that good out there.

metsmarathon
Jul 28 2011 07:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

hey, cool. i'm a runner again.

it was a meager 1.5 mile effort on the treadmill in my basement, the first quarter mile of which i walked as a warmup, but it's a start.

calf feels fine enough. no red flags.

i must take it slowly getting stretched out on the distance, and will unfortunately be avoiding hills for a bit, but at least i don't have to go back on the shelf. yet.

Fman99
Jul 28 2011 07:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
hey, cool. i'm a runner again.

it was a meager 1.5 mile effort on the treadmill in my basement, the first quarter mile of which i walked as a warmup, but it's a start.

calf feels fine enough. no red flags.

i must take it slowly getting stretched out on the distance, and will unfortunately be avoiding hills for a bit, but at least i don't have to go back on the shelf. yet.


Nicely done, coach!

Just signed up for a combo deal, a mile run at 9 AM and a 5k at 10 AM on the same course, a week from Sunday. Should be fun.

Ceetar
Jul 28 2011 08:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
hey, cool. i'm a runner again.

it was a meager 1.5 mile effort on the treadmill in my basement, the first quarter mile of which i walked as a warmup, but it's a start.

calf feels fine enough. no red flags.

i must take it slowly getting stretched out on the distance, and will unfortunately be avoiding hills for a bit, but at least i don't have to go back on the shelf. yet.


much like Johan, don't push yourself! build slowly! or something. What do I know?

Ceetar
Jul 28 2011 08:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I ran 3x in a week for the first time in a while.

Monday, oddly, felt really good. passed the 5K mark at 34:12 which is quite fast for me. went all the way to 4miles (as I've been doing lately) in 46 minutes. (5k in 11/mile 4m in 11:30/mile)

Tuesday, shins hurt, and pretty fast the arch of my foot/foots screamed in pain with every step. i walked most of it. 2 miles in 26 minutes.

Today, still some shin pain and started out feeling like I couldn't draw deep breaths but managed to do the 4 miles in 38:30 (with the 5k split at 36:30)

Now for a weekend of walking around wineries and the ballgame MOnday. hopefully my shins feel all better Tuesday.

themetfairy
Jul 28 2011 08:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Welcome back Coach!

And good luck with your 2 for 1 Fman.

themetfairy
Jul 28 2011 09:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
I ran 3x in a week for the first time in a while.

Monday, oddly, felt really good. passed the 5K mark at 34:12 which is quite fast for me. went all the way to 4miles (as I've been doing lately) in 46 minutes. (5k in 11/mile 4m in 11:30/mile)

Tuesday, shins hurt, and pretty fast the arch of my foot/foots screamed in pain with every step. i walked most of it. 2 miles in 26 minutes.

Today, still some shin pain and started out feeling like I couldn't draw deep breaths but managed to do the 4 miles in 38:30 (with the 5k split at 36:30)

Now for a weekend of walking around wineries and the ballgame MOnday. hopefully my shins feel all better Tuesday.


We could actually run together Ceetar. That's more or less my pace these days.

TransMonk
Jul 29 2011 07:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Welcome back, mm.

Great work, everyone. The runners in the Pool were my inspiration to start running last fall, and they still continue to inspire.

Ceetar
Jul 29 2011 07:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
I ran 3x in a week for the first time in a while.

Monday, oddly, felt really good. passed the 5K mark at 34:12 which is quite fast for me. went all the way to 4miles (as I've been doing lately) in 46 minutes. (5k in 11/mile 4m in 11:30/mile)

Tuesday, shins hurt, and pretty fast the arch of my foot/foots screamed in pain with every step. i walked most of it. 2 miles in 26 minutes.

Today, still some shin pain and started out feeling like I couldn't draw deep breaths but managed to do the 4 miles in 38:30 (with the 5k split at 36:30)

Now for a weekend of walking around wineries and the ballgame MOnday. hopefully my shins feel all better Tuesday.


We could actually run together Ceetar. That's more or less my pace these days.



do you run at that pace, or do you run faster for as long as you can, and then limp stupidly until the pain subsides or energy returns to run again? (I alternate between 6.6 and 4.0)

themetfairy
Jul 29 2011 07:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
I ran 3x in a week for the first time in a while.

Monday, oddly, felt really good. passed the 5K mark at 34:12 which is quite fast for me. went all the way to 4miles (as I've been doing lately) in 46 minutes. (5k in 11/mile 4m in 11:30/mile)

Tuesday, shins hurt, and pretty fast the arch of my foot/foots screamed in pain with every step. i walked most of it. 2 miles in 26 minutes.

Today, still some shin pain and started out feeling like I couldn't draw deep breaths but managed to do the 4 miles in 38:30 (with the 5k split at 36:30)

Now for a weekend of walking around wineries and the ballgame MOnday. hopefully my shins feel all better Tuesday.


We could actually run together Ceetar. That's more or less my pace these days.



do you run at that pace, or do you run faster for as long as you can, and then limp stupidly until the pain subsides or energy returns to run again? (I alternate between 6.6 and 4.0)


I stick with my slow and steady pace throughout.

metsmarathon
Jul 29 2011 07:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
do you run at that pace, or do you run faster for as long as you can, and then limp stupidly until the pain subsides or energy returns to run again? (I alternate between 6.6 and 4.0)


i would suggest that might not be the best of approaches.

Ceetar
Jul 29 2011 08:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
do you run at that pace, or do you run faster for as long as you can, and then limp stupidly until the pain subsides or energy returns to run again? (I alternate between 6.6 and 4.0)


i would suggest that might not be the best of approaches.



I can't seem to maintain a slow and plodding pace. Maybe i just need to build up some endurance, but so far it hasn't worked for me. My heart rate and breathing spike no matter what I do, and i end up slowing up to a walk anyway, so I figure if that's gonna happen anyway, might as well pick a faster speed.

themetfairy
Jul 29 2011 08:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
do you run at that pace, or do you run faster for as long as you can, and then limp stupidly until the pain subsides or energy returns to run again? (I alternate between 6.6 and 4.0)


i would suggest that might not be the best of approaches.



I can't seem to maintain a slow and plodding pace. Maybe i just need to build up some endurance, but so far it hasn't worked for me. My heart rate and breathing spike no matter what I do, and i end up slowing up to a walk anyway, so I figure if that's gonna happen anyway, might as well pick a faster speed.


When I first started I would walk a bit/run a bit/walk a bit/etc. And a lot of people train and compete in races that way. Marathoning for Mortals by John Bingham and Jenny Hadfield offers a variety of training programs, including walk/run and run/walk programs.

Just remember that none of this is one size fits all. It's the fact that you're doing it that counts - how you do it is secondary (so long as you're not harming yourself in the process).

metsmarathon
Jul 29 2011 09:05 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

have you ever tried something like the couch to 5k plan?

it might be worthwhile to take a look at it.

i'd say find the point in the plan that best represents what you can currently do, backtrack maybe two or three weeks, and follow it from there. it's a fairly tried-and-true method of building up from not running at all to running a 5k, and can also be used to build from "not running much" too.

i think it would be helpful to follow a set routine with a set plan and goal. these type of things tend to work well for me, though i must confess that i tend to become a slave to my training plans. at a minimum, it's a good framework with solid principles.

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

the one thing that's missing from it is advice on effort. well, that and that it calls what you're doing "jogging" but that's a whole 'nother discussion. but back to effort. in the couch to 5k plan, you start each run with a 5 minute brisk walk. while you're walking, pay attention to how you're breathing. try to keep it controlled and deep. when you start running, you want to maintain the same breathing rate. you want your couch-to-5k effort to be "comfortable" or, in the common running palance, "conversational pace" which means you're going at a speed where you could run and carry on a conversation at the same time. it's not that fast, and its certainly not a sprint. but it's not necessarily plodding. (and it's actually the key ingredient to any marathon training plan, where all the long runs should be at this conversational pace.)

for my first two years of running, i struggled with breathing. then i started to pay attention to it. if you breathe too heavy, you'll tire yourself out - hell, you can do it just sitting in your chair: breathe rapidly, and you'll get tired, along with some odd looks from your coworkers and likely a call from your supervisor. when running, you want not to breathe heavily, but evenly. it became so natural that i'm not really sure what the pace is anymore. i think it's every fourth footfall, but i'm not sure. it might be every sixth. regardless, i just found this article that probably would've helped me out a lot way back in '98. it's got some good advice for learning to breathe when you're running, and how to practice it.

http://www.active.com/running/Articles/ ... unners.htm

when you're just starting out, reject any notion of speed. it's really meaningless. what you want is to exercise aerobically to build your musculoskeletar and cardiovascular endurance. and you do that by running comfortably for gradually increasing periods of time. and then, once you're attained some level of endurance and ability, you can work on building speed with focused workouts, but the core of any runner's life will always be running comfortably, or only just slightly harder.

Ceetar
Jul 29 2011 09:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

good advice. I have been working on the breathing, and it's coming more naturally. Yesterday was tough, i don't know why. I was breathing the same controlled way (if a little faster than would be 'conversational') but just felt I wasn't getting a full breath of oxygen. This may or may not be the reason, but I'm blaming it on my weight (which is what I blame a lot of my problems on from skin, to circulation, to sleep apnea (if I even have that, my cat says I do, but..)) I also worked out my chest after running on Monday, so it could simply be muscle fatigue.

I read somewhere that starting and stopping (as long as the the running part is high intensity) is just as good if not better for endurance. I kinda try to get my heart rate up, and I feel like the slow running doesn't quite do it, and I end up stopping anyway so it's actually worse of an exercise. also, the gait at lower speeds doesn't feel as natural to me. 6.6 seemed a comfortable speed, which is sorta how I ended up at it. So while i'm not really looking for speeds and record times right now, that's the byproduct of building my endurance and maintaining the times I'm running longer versus walking. Also, I like numbers and calculating my rates and times and benchmarks is some small part of my motivating to actually go to the gym/run.

I did hear about the couch to 5k thing when a friend recommended it, but I was already running 3-4 miles at a time at that point and it seemed too conservative a build up to me.

TransMonk
Jul 29 2011 09:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
when you're just starting out, reject any notion of speed. it's really meaningless. what you want is to exercise aerobically to build your musculoskeletar and cardiovascular endurance. and you do that by running comfortably for gradually increasing periods of time. and then, once you're attained some level of endurance and ability, you can work on building speed with focused workouts, but the core of any runner's life will always be running comfortably, or only just slightly harder.

Amen.

metsmarathon
Jul 29 2011 09:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

high-intensity start-stop is basically interval training. it builds endurance and/or speed when you're looking to do so. it's good for making you faster in races. it's not terribly good for getting into running shape or building up what i'd call running endurance. its what you do when you're already in running shape and are looking to get better.

its a fair bit stressful, and since you're running hard, you're also likely to not be running well or properly. it's a good way to develop bad biomechanical habits. it also tires you out, and when you tire, your form can go all to hell. better to run easy and build enduance and find your natural efficiency. and it'll make you sorer sooner. none of that is terribly helpful.

i understand what you're saying about the gait, and i agree to an extent. when i'm running slowly, it does not feel as natural or efficient. my natural, efficient stride hits when i'm cruising. it's like two gears up from conversational, but two or three down from sprinting. my conversational gait isn't terribly dissimilar, it just doesn't have as much leg extension or push-off, and is a little more bouncy.

i'm not good with heart rates and the like, but according to the internets, your heart rate should be staying at around 70% for these runs. that ensures that you're in the aerobic zone, and are building endurance. you want to train your body to use oxygen more efficiently and for longer, and when you get your heart rate up higher than, i guess, 80%, you start to enter into anaerobic respiration, which is a whole 'nother thing. eventually you'd want to train your body at anaerobic to stave off fatigue and blah blah blah, but to build the running base and get into running shape, your running should really be in the aerobic regime.

iirc, yesterday was a bit humid, right? wednesday was a beautiful day to run. never underestimate the effect weather has on your effort and comfort.

jeez, i hope i'm not coming across too preachy and schoolmarm-y.

Ceetar
Jul 29 2011 11:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

bah, lost my reply cause it logged me out.

nah, it's good to hear this stuff.

I think heart rate right now is my biggest problem. I'm probably pushing myself too hard. When I slow down to a walk my heart rate is often in the 90%+ range, which obviously is too high. I usually start running again when it slows to around 80% (~153)

probably be best if i jogged at 5mph, but I can't maintain that much either.

metsmarathon
Jul 29 2011 11:31 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

slower isn't necessarily easier. it's harder for me to run 5 mph than it is 6mph, as i expend a lot of per-step energy opposing gravity.

your comfortable pace is probably in the 5.5-6mph range.

Ceetar
Jul 29 2011 11:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
slower isn't necessarily easier. it's harder for me to run 5 mph than it is 6mph, as i expend a lot of per-step energy opposing gravity.

your comfortable pace is probably in the 5.5-6mph range.


I'd say i should just run outside and figure out my pace that way, but I don't settle into a comfortable place that way either.

TransMonk
Aug 01 2011 07:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Well, July purely sucked. The weather and humidity turned me into a hot, sweaty, miserable machine that took every ounce of will I had to keep running.

I ended up with 88.2 miles (142 km) run in the month of July. My total time running was 13:37:36 or about 5:45/km. That pace set me back from where I was last month. It was discouraging because I began the month at a much faster pace and even broke a personal best 5K at 25:38. But the past two weeks have been horrible. The temps have already been creeping into the 80s with massive humidity when I get up to run at 6am. This whole project has been about the distance rather than the pace all along, but I'd still like to be able to get consistently faster.

July's mileage puts me at 502.1 miles for the year. Crossing the halfway point to 1000 miles did feel good on Saturday even though it was one of my hardest runs ever. I also put 150 miles on my bike, but lowered my biking goal for 2011 from 1500 to 1000 miles, as I'm just not going to find enough time to ride that far.

I know August is hot too, but I'm hoping it is a little better than July.

themetfairy
Aug 01 2011 08:04 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The adjustment to head and humidity is energy-sapping TM. You're doing an awesome job even without the weather considerations - WTG!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 01 2011 08:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I missed a lot of time early this July with family stuff, wound up with 59.6 miles for the month (almost exactly the same as June). My speed is way down and my feet aren't feeling great.

435.1 for the year.

Will cash in the Brooks for something cushier by 500 I promise.

metsmarathon
Aug 01 2011 10:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

7ish for the month. go me!

themetfairy
Aug 01 2011 11:10 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

At least you're on the road to recovery.

Ceetar
Aug 01 2011 11:45 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
7ish for the month. go me!


well, that does probably still put you in the upper standard deviations for your age bracket..

31.16 for me. not horrible.

Fman99
Aug 01 2011 03:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

63.1 miles in July. Feelin fine.

TransMonk
Aug 02 2011 07:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

So, after moaning about the heat and humidity in July above...

I woke up this morning at 5:45 to do my normal Tuesday 5K and the temperature was already 79 degrees with 82% humidity and no breeze. Ugh!

I took it as a challenge and ran a personal best 25:10. There was not a thread on my shirt that wasn't soaked. I'm really tired of sweating.

The good news is that today is supposed to be the last day of above normal temperatures. The extended forecast in my area shows no highs above 85 degrees and there is less humidity on tap. That will be a pleasant change considering the average high since July 1 has been 88 degrees.

I've also noted the low amount of wind over the past couple of weeks. I felt a breeze last night while bike riding and for a split second thought, "What is this invisible force that is pushing on me?"

I am very much looking forward to running in lower temps.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 03 2011 10:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I ran 12 times in the month of July. I covered 64.21 miles for the month which brings my yearly total to 436.29 miles.

I haven't worked out for 6 days do to traveling and after work obligations, but plan to hit the gym again after work tonight if all goes according to plan.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 03 2011 11:01 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Doc's outrun me by 1.1 miles this year. Must. ... Track.... Him. ... Down.

Fman99
Aug 03 2011 04:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Funny how close we all are in total distance, as of July 31st I was at 429.8 miles for 2011.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 03 2011 09:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Well I'd be lying if dumb shit like that doesn't motivate me even a little.

Skipped an offer of pizza and beer tonight to run in the rain. Keep it up!

TransMonk
Aug 04 2011 07:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

63 degrees at 6am this morning.

My morning run and I are friends again.

themetfairy
Aug 08 2011 01:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I signed up for the Red Fox Trot 5K at Marist on September 10th. If anyone is in the area and wants to run with me or cheer me on, let me know.

TransMonk
Aug 08 2011 01:23 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

My left calf cramped up pretty violently during my post-run stretch on Saturday and feels worse today than it did yesterday (when it felt good enough to run 4K, DOH!).

I'm officially day-to-day and probably won't run on it again until at least Wednesday.

themetfairy
Aug 08 2011 01:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Feel better TM!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 08 2011 01:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Stretch those calves.

I'd like to say a word for doing it McEnroe style. I went and got an elastic headband a month ago and haven't run without one since. Keeps my hair out of my face and sweat out of my ears, liked it so much I got another to run with when the other is in the wash. I hesitate to say it's made a difference, but... it's made a difference.

I think.

metsmarathon
Aug 08 2011 06:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i'd probably have been running this weekend if i hadnt been told on friday not to run for 5 days following the removal of my one wisdom tooth. on the bright side, the calf feels well rested. hopefully all goes well when i resume running.

Ceetar
Aug 08 2011 08:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
i'd probably have been running this weekend if i hadnt been told on friday not to run for 5 days following the removal of my one wisdom tooth. on the bright side, the calf feels well rested. hopefully all goes well when i resume running.



5 days for one tooth? imagine if it was all four?

I've tried that lower-speed, building endurance thingy. Managed to get the whole first mile at 5.5mph, so that's a plus. 5.5 keeps my heart rate up too high still probably, at least once my endurance wears down around 25minutes, but I finished the 4th mile at 52minutes. tried to run at 4.5 during the tired periods, but the weird plodding/bouncy pace wasn't confortable.

Fman99
Aug 08 2011 08:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Stretch those calves.

I'd like to say a word for doing it McEnroe style. I went and got an elastic headband a month ago and haven't run without one since. Keeps my hair out of my face and sweat out of my ears, liked it so much I got another to run with when the other is in the wash. I hesitate to say it's made a difference, but... it's made a difference.

I think.


I am all in on the cotton headband. Been rocking those since 2010.

Fman99
Aug 09 2011 03:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Had a half dozen gin drinks last night thanks to a visit from my wife's cousin. Slept for four hours, and woke up wide awake, so I went out and ran seven miles this morning in 59:19.

I'm not much of a morning runner, as a rule, but it was quite pleasant out there temperature wise. I could maybe get used to this.

themetfairy
Aug 09 2011 07:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I like morning running, before my brain wakes up enough to fight with me over what I'm doing.

TransMonk
Aug 09 2011 07:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I never run inside without a headband.

I need the hat outside so that the monkey-ass on the top of my thinning head doesn't get sunburned.

My calf feels better today, but not 100%. I might run tomorrow, but the more I think about it, I'll probably give it one more day.

Ceetar
Aug 09 2011 09:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

If I had a thermometer I'd swear I run a good 2degrees hotter for hours after I exercise.

metsmarathon
Aug 09 2011 06:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
I never run inside without a headband.

I need the hat outside so that the monkey-ass on the top of my thinning head doesn't get sunburned.

My calf feels better today, but not 100%. I might run tomorrow, but the more I think about it, I'll probably give it one more day.


i'd give it another day. :)

TransMonk
Aug 10 2011 07:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Good advice, mm. I took it.

TransMonk
Aug 11 2011 07:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran 5K in a PB 25 minutes flat this morning. The wonky calf felt fine, but I made sure to spend more time stretching afterwards.

52 degrees when I left the house. Saw my breath for the first mile. What a difference 2 weeks makes.

Ceetar
Aug 11 2011 07:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

TransMonk wrote:
Ran 5K in a PB 25 minutes flat this morning. The wonky calf felt fine, but I made sure to spend more time stretching afterwards.

52 degrees when I left the house. Saw my breath for the first mile. What a difference 2 weeks makes.


nice. Think the rest helped?

I wussed out Tuesday, ate crappy yesterday (hey, it was my 10th mensiversary!) and plan to hit the gym after work today. I'd been plodding along with a slower pace trying to run more and race less. I managed to run for a good 12 minutes straight to start last time, at 5.5, which i think is a little faster than I'm ready for. (my heartrate does seem to spike, particularly later in the run) but i'm going to try to keep the pace for closer to 15 minutes today, maybe at a wee bit slower, 5.2 or so.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 11 2011 07:37 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Gotta be nuts to wanna run indoors today, man. Should be 70s and low humidity tonight.

Ceetar
Aug 11 2011 07:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Gotta be nuts to wanna run indoors today, man. Should be 70s and low humidity tonight.


If I go home it's hard to get the motivation to go back outside and exercise. Hitting the gym on the way home is a big part of my motivation (especially since I've started taking a different route from the office, 46 instead of 80, to go to the gym. Once my path diverges i don't bail) Plus I still run better overall on the treadmill because I can keep my walking pace much above what it would be outside, 70s is still too hot for me (i'd prefer 55), I tripped and fucked up my knee last time i ran outside, and I intend to do some weight lifting as well.

Although I am tired of staring at the same parking lot and McDonalds from the treadmill.

TransMonk
Aug 11 2011 07:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
nice. Think the rest helped?

Definitely. And the weather.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 11 2011 09:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Such a great nite to run... but I left my radio/headphones/stopwatch thingy at the office.

So I commuted back there and ran home, 7.77 miles via the Manhattan Bridge

themetfairy
Aug 14 2011 08:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'll be running the inaugural Rock N Roll New York 10K in Prospect Park on October 22nd. What's more, in the next day or two I'll have the registration information for runners interested in participating in this race as a part of Team McGraw.

It would be nice to inject some more Blue and Orange into the charity that was created in Tug's memory - I hope that some of you join me and that all of you spread the word.

themetfairy
Aug 17 2011 03:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Rock 'n' Roll New York 10K will take place on October 22nd. I will be the captain of the Team McGraw contingent at the race. I really want to get a good team together and inject some Blue and Orange into this foundation!

If you are interested in being a part of the team, after registering for the race go here and choose the Pick Your Own race option. It's only a $50 commitment, although obviously it would be great if you could also raise some funds for the Tug McGraw Foundation.

I hope to see some of you there. Ya Gotta Believe!

DocTee
Aug 17 2011 08:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Dumb question: how do you calculate your daily/monthly mileage? Easy to do on a treadmill, but a bit trickier when outdoors, no? Do you use a simple pedometer (which never seems to work for me-- the calibration is usually way off); a GPS app (but I'd hate to run with my phone); a plug-in for your ipod??

I like to keep it simple-- stopwatch, ipod, and nuthin else.

Thanks, DT

Ceetar
Aug 17 2011 08:12 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

DocTee wrote:
Dumb question: how do you calculate your daily/monthly mileage? Easy to do on a treadmill, but a bit trickier when outdoors, no? Do you use a simple pedometer (which never seems to work for me-- the calibration is usually way off); a GPS app (but I'd hate to run with my phone); a plug-in for your ipod??

I like to keep it simple-- stopwatch, ipod, and nuthin else.

Thanks, DT


I rarely run outside, but I use an Android App. the same one I enter my treadmill runs into. I don't mind running with it though, it actually balances out the iPod in the other pocket rather nicely. (Although It does seem funny that I'm running with nearly $1000 worth of electronics.

an alternative would be to stick to a somewhat regular and predictable path. And if you remember where you turned, you can enter your path into Google Maps afterwards and get at least a rough estimate of distance.

themetfairy
Aug 17 2011 08:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

DocTee wrote:
Dumb question: how do you calculate your daily/monthly mileage? Easy to do on a treadmill, but a bit trickier when outdoors, no? Do you use a simple pedometer (which never seems to work for me-- the calibration is usually way off); a GPS app (but I'd hate to run with my phone); a plug-in for your ipod??

I like to keep it simple-- stopwatch, ipod, and nuthin else.

Thanks, DT


I used a GPS watch when I tracked my mileage last year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 17 2011 08:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

DocTee wrote:
Dumb question: how do you calculate your daily/monthly mileage? Easy to do on a treadmill, but a bit trickier when outdoors, no? Do you use a simple pedometer (which never seems to work for me-- the calibration is usually way off); a GPS app (but I'd hate to run with my phone); a plug-in for your ipod??

I like to keep it simple-- stopwatch, ipod, and nuthin else.

Thanks, DT

mapmyrun.com

way too busy UI, but useful and pretty accurate map tool that also serves as a workout calendar/archive

TransMonk
Aug 18 2011 07:28 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I use a GPS watch and an excel running log from davidhays.net. I'm not sure the website is still around, but I bet the log is out there in the internets.

I also track online via Runkeeper.com. It helps me access the information so that I can keep the actual log on my work PC.

Ceetar
Aug 18 2011 07:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm going to attempt an outside run this afternoon (even in the rain? maybe..) prompted by the need to buy Bratwurst and the guess that the Swiss Pork Store closes at 6.

metsmarathon
Aug 18 2011 12:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i used to use mapmyrun to log my mileage, but since they have neglected to incorporate their gear-tracker functionality into their new, updated site, i've dropped them. the gear tracking was the reason i started using them many many years ago, and they've basically just blown off a large bit of their user base who've asked for it back. it sucks, because i used to really like mmr, and still somewhat do. but they don't appear to care about a multi-year user with almost 300 saved routes, so i don't feel like giving them my ad clicks. fuck 'em.

i now use dailymile.com, which is a little less powerful, especially in that it doesn't show elevation or topo information, but it otherwise good and easy to use, with a mild social undercurrent.

either site, and many others, allow you to log your distance and review your log to see month-to-date or year-to-date. or at least they let you add it up yourself.

but in essence, i typically plan my routes by mapping them online. i generally take note of the mile marks to help me maintain focus and pace. if i run a new route, i log it and save it, regardless how minor the modification from a prior route. sometimes i go off the reservation mid-run, but only if i'm forced. it's not that i'm all about rigor and protocol, but rather that i don't like running not far enough.

gps watches are good, but are inherently inaccurate. if you ever plot your path it'll look like you've weaved all around like a blind drunk on a unicycle. if you run a measured mile in a straight line, your gps watch will say you've run farther from all the artificial weaving. some are surely better than others, but the inaccuracy is unavoidable. it's not much, but if you're relying heavily on it for your per-mile pace, it may lead you somewhat astray. plus, since i'm already mapping my route or using a known route, and i therefore know my mile markers, i don't need the gs watch to also tell me my distance and mile markers.

plus they're usually really big, and big watches look dumb on my skinny little wrists.

Fman99
Aug 18 2011 03:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
i used to use mapmyrun to log my mileage, but since they have neglected to incorporate their gear-tracker functionality into their new, updated site, i've dropped them. the gear tracking was the reason i started using them many many years ago, and they've basically just blown off a large bit of their user base who've asked for it back. it sucks, because i used to really like mmr, and still somewhat do. but they don't appear to care about a multi-year user with almost 300 saved routes, so i don't feel like giving them my ad clicks. fuck 'em.

i now use dailymile.com, which is a little less powerful, especially in that it doesn't show elevation or topo information, but it otherwise good and easy to use, with a mild social undercurrent.

either site, and many others, allow you to log your distance and review your log to see month-to-date or year-to-date. or at least they let you add it up yourself.

but in essence, i typically plan my routes by mapping them online. i generally take note of the mile marks to help me maintain focus and pace. if i run a new route, i log it and save it, regardless how minor the modification from a prior route. sometimes i go off the reservation mid-run, but only if i'm forced. it's not that i'm all about rigor and protocol, but rather that i don't like running not far enough.

gps watches are good, but are inherently inaccurate. if you ever plot your path it'll look like you've weaved all around like a blind drunk on a unicycle. if you run a measured mile in a straight line, your gps watch will say you've run farther from all the artificial weaving. some are surely better than others, but the inaccuracy is unavoidable. it's not much, but if you're relying heavily on it for your per-mile pace, it may lead you somewhat astray. plus, since i'm already mapping my route or using a known route, and i therefore know my mile markers, i don't need the gs watch to also tell me my distance and mile markers.

plus they're usually really big, and big watches look dumb on my skinny little wrists.


I do it almost exactly like MM does except I use another popular site called Runkeeper. I manually map my routes and save them ahead of time, or remember where I ran and map them post-run, and it keeps reports of my mileage, pace, totals, etc. They have an iPhone app but like MM says the GPS readings are too inaccurate. For a while, I would come home post-run and correct them manually, editing maps on the site, but I gave up on that process this spring.

Besides, I'd rather run with my tiny 1GB iPod shuffle which clips to my shorts, no armband required. I wear a digital watch with a simple timer to know how long I've been running, then I come home and add my activity from a saved route (if I'm repeating a route I ran before, I have probably about 40-50 saved ones) or add a new route.

Ceetar
Aug 18 2011 05:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I guess I'll have to try pre-planned routes, although I don't really run outside much.

I use runkeeper to keep track, but here's an example of the inaccuracy of the GPS.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 18 2011 05:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

get off my lawn.

Willets Point
Aug 19 2011 08:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

That's the Billy Keane GPS.

metsmarathon
Aug 26 2011 09:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

so i'm slowly starting to run again. yay. last week i had tried to go out for a run, and had my calf tighten up halfway through. instead of walking all the way back, i mixed in some jogging at times. turned out the calf didn't feel any worse for it. so i figured maybe i just need to run on it. slowly, tentatively, and in short bursts.

i figured, what better place to establish a framework than the couch to 5k plan i've previously espoused. i figured i'd aim roughly for the middle of the program, where they suggest starting with a 5 minute walk, and then alternating running and walking for varying stretches - 3 and 5 minutes running interspersed with 3 minutes walking. my first time out, i used that strategy to cover a whopping 2.9 miles. the important thing was that my calf felt fine.

i then increased the distance this week to 3.6 miles, and again today i upped it to 5 miles. also today, i lengthened the running and shortened the walking, to the tune of 6 minutes and 2 minutes, respectively. i was fairly fatigued after 4 miles, but still ran an 8 minute pace for the final 6 minute stretch. i think that each of my running blocks were in the 8-8:30 range. and most importantly, the calf is pretty happy about it.

my plan is to run at least one or two more 6/2 workouts, then at least two 8/2's, and then at least two 10/1's. if i'm still unsure after all that, i can mix in a 15/0.5 i guess. if i'm lucky, i can get those workouts done in the next two weeks. i'm still worried that i can build mileage for the army ten miler, but for the first time in months, i'm feeling positive.

also, i really wish i'd tried this run/walk gradual approach sooner. it seems so damned sensible.

themetfairy
Aug 26 2011 09:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Welcome back Coach!

Fman99
Aug 27 2011 07:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I think I'm going to try and run ten half marathons in 2012.

metsmarathon
Aug 27 2011 07:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2011 08:04 PM

i don't know if you're serious, and i don't know if that sounds like a lot or not.

i mean, in 2008 i ran three halfs and three fulls, so i almost certainly ran more than 13 miles more than 10 times in that year. but it still sounds like a lot.

oe, in both 2008 and 2009, i ran at least 13.1 miles 14 times. still, it sounds like a lot. a nice challenge to try for, and a potentially expensive one, but definitely a nice challenge.

Fman99
Aug 27 2011 08:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsmarathon wrote:
i don't know if you're serious, and i don't know if that sounds like a lot or not.

i mean, in 2008 i ran three halfs and three fulls, so i almost certainly ran more than 13 miles more than 10 times in that year. but it still sounds like a lot.


On one hand, having never run a half marathon yet, it seems like a lot. On the other hand, once I've done it, and having no desire to run a full marathon, it seems like a goal that is reachable, and it would be fun to try nine new half marathons in 2012 (assuming I repeat the one I'm doing in October next year), and it also seems like something I can convince 1-2 of my local running buddies to join me in the challenge of competing.

No sense in setting the bar unless I set it HIGH.

Fman99
Aug 31 2011 06:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

New personal best for miles in a month with 79.7 in August. Total for 2011 thus far -- 509.5 miles.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 31 2011 07:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:
New personal best for miles in a month with 79.7 in August. Total for 2011 thus far -- 509.5 miles.


It's amazing to me how close the mileage totals are for many of us. I ran 13 times in August and covered 71.34 miles for the month. Which brings my yearly total to 507.63 miles for the year.

TransMonk
Sep 01 2011 08:01 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

My wedding put a dent in my running during August, but I still put in 136.2K (84.6 miles). The August in my area was cooler than average (which was great for running after such a horrible July).

I was able to focus much more on my stride and kind of had a "Eureka!" month as far as speed goes. My total time for the month was 12:20:35 which works out to about 5:26/km (down 19 seconds per km from my July time). My speed goal is to be able to consistently run an average of 5 minutes per km by the end of the year. I can hit that time sometimes when I run now, but by the end of the year, I want to be hitting it (or beating it) every time.

My total mileage for the year is 586.7 miles (944.2K). I've planned out my next four months and, though it will be tough, I'm going to make it to 1000 in 2011.

I put 143 miles on the bike as well in August.

metsmarathon
Sep 01 2011 11:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i ran 8 times in august for a total of 26.2 miles. woo!

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 01 2011 12:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm slow to respond, but I use the RunKeeper app on the iPhone. It's got a built-in GPS that breaks out the pace and time and distance, and makes a little map when you are done. I love it.

I use it to keep track of the treadmill miles, too. And I keep a long going back several years on the computer in the old PalmPilot software, which has long outlived the PalmPilot.

Usually I do 7.6 miles on the treadmill M-F, but this was been a tougher week and I've only been able to squeeze in 6 miles a day. I run in the morning before work, and it's just been one of those weeks...

I was in a fun 5K two weeks ago with my daughter. It's an awareness-raiser, fundraiser for a muscle disorder that afflicts a boy in her school, so it's a nice, community event. About 2,000 runners and walkers.

I was looking to get close to my top time of 23 min, and definitely wanted to beat my last race, 24:20 in a complete downpour in May.

I was feeling slow -- one of those runs where you feel like Jacob Marley dragging chains behind you. People seemed to be passing me, and I wanted to walk for a couple steps when it seemed hopeless. But I gutted it out.

Turned the last corner and wanted to get a look at the clock in the distance, expecting to see 27:00 or 28:00 -- and saw that it was 23:30. Much better than I thought. I crossed at 23:37 but the chip time was back at 23:30 on the nose. Cool!

OK, here's one of those things that can only happen in a community fundraiser race. They have the time flags at the start so the faster runners can get up there and not have speed bumps. I got there early to get right near the front of the 7-minute mile group.

Right before the start, an older woman with her husband came, and she was in one of those motorized seat things that you see people use in the supermarket, orange flag in the back and everything. She's wedging the thing in there like she's parallel parking, and she's dead smack in front of us, completely blocking us, and everyone behind us.

Now, obviously she's supposed to be in the way-back with the people with dogs and strollers. But because it's a fundraiser race you don't want to say anything. The guy next to me -- 20-something, serious runner who was even more blocked than I was -- looked over and was like "What the heck?"

So during the National Anthem we tried to slip around her to be in front of her while everyone else was standing still and singing. Felt kinda goofy doing that, but I'm pretty sure the motor on that thing was not capable of 7 minute miles....

Frayed Knot
Sep 01 2011 01:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I keep track of all my running miles - weekly/monthly/yearly - in my head.
I know that sounds insane to most people by I've never had a problem tallying up the running (no pun intended) totals and keeping them separate.
So far this year I'm up to zero.

Fman99
Sep 01 2011 06:34 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I'm slow to respond, but I use the RunKeeper app on the iPhone. It's got a built-in GPS that breaks out the pace and time and distance, and makes a little map when you are done. I love it.

I use it to keep track of the treadmill miles, too. And I keep a long going back several years on the computer in the old PalmPilot software, which has long outlived the PalmPilot.

Usually I do 7.6 miles on the treadmill M-F, but this was been a tougher week and I've only been able to squeeze in 6 miles a day. I run in the morning before work, and it's just been one of those weeks...

I was in a fun 5K two weeks ago with my daughter. It's an awareness-raiser, fundraiser for a muscle disorder that afflicts a boy in her school, so it's a nice, community event. About 2,000 runners and walkers.

I was looking to get close to my top time of 23 min, and definitely wanted to beat my last race, 24:20 in a complete downpour in May.

I was feeling slow -- one of those runs where you feel like Jacob Marley dragging chains behind you. People seemed to be passing me, and I wanted to walk for a couple steps when it seemed hopeless. But I gutted it out.

Turned the last corner and wanted to get a look at the clock in the distance, expecting to see 27:00 or 28:00 -- and saw that it was 23:30. Much better than I thought. I crossed at 23:37 but the chip time was back at 23:30 on the nose. Cool!

OK, here's one of those things that can only happen in a community fundraiser race. They have the time flags at the start so the faster runners can get up there and not have speed bumps. I got there early to get right near the front of the 7-minute mile group.

Right before the start, an older woman with her husband came, and she was in one of those motorized seat things that you see people use in the supermarket, orange flag in the back and everything. She's wedging the thing in there like she's parallel parking, and she's dead smack in front of us, completely blocking us, and everyone behind us.

Now, obviously she's supposed to be in the way-back with the people with dogs and strollers. But because it's a fundraiser race you don't want to say anything. The guy next to me -- 20-something, serious runner who was even more blocked than I was -- looked over and was like "What the heck?"

So during the National Anthem we tried to slip around her to be in front of her while everyone else was standing still and singing. Felt kinda goofy doing that, but I'm pretty sure the motor on that thing was not capable of 7 minute miles....


You have to join my Runkeeper team! My Runkeeper ID is my last name, no first initial or other numbers following it.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 02 2011 04:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Just sent you a request. My profile ID is "MetsGuy"

Ceetar
Sep 02 2011 05:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Just sent you a request. My profile ID is "MetsGuy"

don't forget me!

TransMonk
Sep 02 2011 07:37 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm TransMonk on RunKeeper.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 02 2011 10:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

ceetar's got an invite! Monk, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can't find you on there.

TransMonk
Sep 02 2011 10:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

No problem, I just sent you one instead.

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 02 2011 01:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Though I'm a lazy, hurty sloth, how do i join yalls team? I'm on that site.

Fman99
Sep 02 2011 03:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I just found you and sent you an invite, the rest of these guys using Runkeeper are already on my list.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 02 2011 04:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

If you click on FMan's street team, you'll see me and the Monk and can click on us to be part of our team. We need matching street caps.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 02 2011 06:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

August was my runniest month ever, I think: 87.2 miles. Ran over the Potomac and Susquehanna rivers in my last run, resulting in a 3-state run in only 5 or so miles (W. Va., Md & Va)

522.3 for the year

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 03 2011 10:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Kicking ass, you guys, good job. Had big designs on this year mileage wise, but the calf tear sidelined me for a good almost 6 months. I think I'm at like, 50 miles for the year. Still hurts sometimes, too. Need to go have Bartolo Colon ass/leg surgery.

Fman99
Sep 03 2011 05:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Kicking ass, you guys, good job. Had big designs on this year mileage wise, but the calf tear sidelined me for a good almost 6 months. I think I'm at like, 50 miles for the year. Still hurts sometimes, too. Need to go have Bartolo Colon ass/leg surgery.


Sounds awesome, graft an ass right onto that leg! Get more ass in your life.

I ran with my running club friends this morning and banged out eight miles of hills in just stifling humidity this morning. And it was great. It helped that one of the guys, who's got a bad heel, drove out and met us at the halfway point with Gatorade and ice water.

DocTee
Sep 05 2011 06:04 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ran 14 imes in August-- started with 17:00 on the 14th, up to 50:00 by month's end. I had set a goal of Labor Day for a particular distance, which I eclipsed a week ago; a similar goal for end of September fell this weekend.

Happy with the results.

themetfairy
Sep 08 2011 08:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'm running The Red Fox Trot 5K in Poughkeepsie on Saturday as an excuse to visit my son at Marist. Check out the link - this may be the best race description ever!

themetfairy
Sep 10 2011 06:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

The Red Fox Trot 5K was as advertised - an uphill climb for the first half, and mostly downhill for the second half. It's a beautiful campus, and I had a great time. I finished in 35:23:58, which wasn't bad considering that some of the hills were VERY steep!

At least I finished with a smile on my face -

Fman99
Sep 10 2011 07:23 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Cool pic!

I ran the ARC 5k today, this is one of the bigger annual races in the Syracuse area and they had over 1000 runners between their 5k and half marathon. I made a nice showing for myself, ran a 22:39 (just 3 seconds off my PR for an accredited course) and 47th out of 579 runners. Better yet, second out of 19 in my M35-39 age group and that earned me a really nice medal.

themetfairy
Sep 10 2011 09:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice job Fman, and great bling!

metsmarathon
Sep 17 2011 10:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

A while back a friend of mine invited me to be a part of a facebook group called long distance running. honestly, i don't know hardly any of hte people in there, except for the other people this one guy invited. there's not really much of a group dynamic whatsoever, as it seems mostly like people only reply to the posts of people they know otherwise. but today, i jumped in.

some guy i don't know wrote:
How important is time to you? Do you run races to get the best time possible or for other reasons? I recently ran a half marathon and more than half the field (of 1200 runners) ran over 10:20/mile. That would never be racing to me???? However, I am glad that they are doing it!!!!


i find no attitude more maddening when it comes from the participants of the most inclusive of all sports than the notion that slow runners aren't real runners, or aren't trying as hard as the fast runners. because, well, its just not fucking true. happily, it generally comes from a very narrow and narrow-minded subset of runners - not all fast runners are jackasses. there were four responses prior to mine. nobody shared his sentiment. but since nobody fully captured mine...

for a lot of people, a 10:20 mile or slower _IS_ running for time. they're not running for your time. they are running for their own time, for their own challenge, and for their own achievement.


there have been no further replies.

in any running event, incredibly few of the entrants have a chance of winning. one could argue that only those select hopefuls are truly racing. and that would be a hell of a lot less bullshit that what this dude spewed. because inherent to his comment is the fact that he raced for a time, which for him was a goal, and achievement, a challenge. he feels he met his challenge, i guess. he clearly is ignorant of the fact that for some, that goal, challenge, and achievement would be laughably easy, and a disappointing race. i could go on, but its late. suffice it to say, jackasses like this give real runners a bad name.

themetfairy
Sep 18 2011 04:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thank you mm - I appreciate you standing up for those of us who weren't blessed with the gift of speed but who feel a sense of accomplishment from running.

themetfairy
Sep 23 2011 07:31 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
The Rock 'n' Roll New York 10K will take place on October 22nd. I will be the captain of the Team McGraw contingent at the race. I really want to get a good team together and inject some Blue and Orange into this foundation!

If you are interested in being a part of the team, after registering for the race go here and choose the Pick Your Own race option. It's only a $50 commitment, although obviously it would be great if you could also raise some funds for the Tug McGraw Foundation.

I hope to see some of you there. Ya Gotta Believe!


Come on guys - join me! Don't you want one of these?


John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 23 2011 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'd like to run this, but I'm committed to volunteering at Lunchpail's soccer league which is all Saturday ams. Also, IMO the $60 entry fee is excessive considering I can run that course for free anytime.

On Sunday 10/9, I am gunning for my long-awaited rematch with Krazy Kowalski in the race that re-started my running career back in 2007



[url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/7600/f2_t7641.shtml

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 24 2011 09:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

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Nice job guys!!

Set a personal best today!

The Komen Race for the Cure is my favorite race of the year, and I've run in six or seven times. Set my personal best there last year -- 23 even -- and that was with arriving just as the race was about to start and getting stuck behind the walkers and dogs.

I've had two races since then, and was not that close, at 24:30 and 23:28.

Conditions today were perfect and I got their early enough to warm up and be toward the front.

RunKeeper said the first mile pace was 7:06, and when the second mile was 7:11 I figured I had a chance at something special. Gave all I had near the finish and couldn't believe the clock was at 22:15 when I first saw it. Finished at 22:29, good for third in males 45-49, 9th in males 40-49 and 68th overall out of 1,342!!

No bling, though. Loving the medals you guys earn.

themetfairy
Sep 24 2011 10:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG Michigan - that's fabulous!

I ran one of my favorite local 5K's this morning. My unofficial time was 34:02, which would be my best 5K of the year, but a friend of mine said that there was a discrepancy between the clock at the end and the official times (I had to leave before the official times were posted, and so far they're not available online). The course is close to my house and flat. Starbucks was serving up free coffee before the race. After the race I had a slice of pizza and Rita's Water Ice. Good race time or not, this is perhaps the best race ever

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 24 2011 10:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
WTG Michigan - that's fabulous!

I ran one of my favorite local 5K's this morning. My unofficial time was 34:02, which would be my best 5K of the year, but a friend of mine said that there was a discrepancy between the clock at the end and the official times (I had to leave before the official times were posted, and so far they're not available online). The course is close to my house and flat. Starbucks was serving up free coffee before the race. After the race I had a slice of pizza and Rita's Water Ice. Good race time or not, this is perhaps the best race ever



That sounds like a lot of fun!!!!!! Good job!

themetfairy
Sep 24 2011 10:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

It is fun :)

I remember being in the inaugural run of this race in 2000, the same day that Benny hit the home run in extra innings over the Giants. I always associate this race with good times

themetfairy
Sep 24 2011 06:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

My official time was 34:01:96.

I know it's not objectively fast, but it was my best 5K of the year.

Fman99
Sep 25 2011 08:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Very nice! I ran a four mile race today in some real heat, big hills too. I was parched ten minutes before the race started, and I had to stop and tie my shoe around mile 3. Still managed to get in under 32 minutes, which was my goal, with a 31:58 and 52nd overall out of 263 runners. Beat my 4 mile PR from the spring by a full 50 seconds, too.

No bling or prizes, but the family was there to cheer me on. Which was nice.

themetfairy
Sep 25 2011 09:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work Fman!

TransMonk
Sep 30 2011 07:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

September saw me run 103.6 miles (166.8 km) in 15:03:37 which works out to 5:25/km.

I'm up to 690.3 miles (1111 km) for the year.

I slapped down $140 for my third pair of shoes this year...but they should last me through the end of December.

I've developed a small case of Jose Reyes disease (tweaked hammy). I've been stretching it and it doesn't bother me while I run...but I'm hoping it doesn't get any worse.

I also put 159.6 miles on my bike in September.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2011 07:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG TM - that's excellent!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 30 2011 07:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Two good weeks, 2 not so good weeks and 64.4 miles total in September. At 586.7 for the year, all on the same pair of shoes that I hate. Will upgrade to new pair soon I hope but owe money all over town, man.

metsmarathon
Sep 30 2011 08:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

assuming i'm able to get out and run 5.4 miles at lunch today, i will have run 90 miles in the month of september, a figure which, frankly, shocks me.

Fman99
Sep 30 2011 06:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Another personal best, 86.7 miles run in September and now up to 596.2 miles for 2011. Feeling great, too.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2011 06:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work!

Now what about those CPF running club shirts?

Fman99
Sep 30 2011 06:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

themetfairy wrote:
Nice work!

Now what about those CPF running club shirts?


Still waiting on metsmarathon to finish the design.... I will bump that thread as a shaming technique/motivational aid.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2011 06:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thanks Fman!

Rockin' Doc
Sep 30 2011 08:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I ran 12 times in September for a monthly total of 75.19 miles. That brings me to 582.82 total miles for the year. I generally try to run 3 times a week and I look to log between 120-125 minutes of running time a week. Much more than that and my knees get stiff and sore. I did my single longest run to date last Friday afternoon, when I ran 8.64 miles in 60 minutes.

I generally run on an incline of 0.5 or 1.0 degrees, but I plan on focusing on running steeper inclines in October, so I expect my mileage will drop off some as a result. I'm not sure how steeper inclines 1.5-2.5 degrees will effect my knees, but I guess I'll find out soon enough.

metsmarathon
Oct 02 2011 09:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

hmm. i hate when i screw up the "save draft" feature.

i had mostly typed up a decent race report from this morning when minimm woke up from a nap. thought i saved the draft. alas, it is nowhere to be found.

regardless, i ran a 10k this morning, having decided to do so at midday yesterday. we woke up this morning with just enough time to get there and get me registered before teh gun went off.

i started out about 10 or 20 back from the starting line - i wasn;t feeling fast, and wasn't sure i wanted to go out with the rabbits. plus, i'm still hesitant about the calf, and this was a hilly course. there was a 5k and a 10k running concurrently, with the 10k running essentially two loops of the 5k course. there were some deviations, but that's the general layout. the crowd ahead of my thinned almost immediately as about 50m after the start, we turned and went of a short, steep hill, the first of many. the uphill terminated at a turn and a lnog steep downhill. another turn, and we embarked on the out-and-back section of the loop. it started sharply downhill, but then was mostly flat. the turnaround was just before the mile mark. i hit it in 7:07. my pace was definitely aided by all the downhills, as we'd just dropped 160' in 0.4 miles, and i was not looking forward to going back up. there was a water stop and i walked for 30 seconds. a few people passed me, and i caught a bunch of them.

we climb back up some of the hill, 100' in 0.3 miles, to another water stop and another 30 seconds of walking and then we hit the two mile mark. 7:53. i'm now thinking pr, which had been set in 2008 at a 7:54 pace. i knew the third mile was going to be awful, with a huge hill, and i knew the sixth mile wasn't going to be much fun either, but if i could hold on to some energy and run a good 4th mile, i'd have a fair shot. in the next 0.4 miles, we drop 100'. i hold back a little as i don't want to burn out my quads, but i'm trying to hold off a few nearby runners. at the bottom i try to open it up a little, to gain some space, but we immediately start to climb. 190' in 0.6 miles, starting out at a slog, but steepening at the halfway. happily, there was a water stop there, and again i walked for 20-3 seconds. at the top of the hill was the 3 mile mark, but i missed it. i was too busy high fiving minimm in his stroller.

and then we went back down the hill.

i'd been jockeying with a few runners at this point, where i'd pass them while i was running and they'd catch me at the water stops. we go down the first steep hill, and i use it to catch and pass them. there were two guys, i think, and one woman. i was leading as we turned to the out-and-back. its downhill had two steps down. my competition was braking down teh hill in an attempt to recover or conserve energy. this is a mistake. i opened up a little on the first downhill, but after the first step i realized i'd left them too close, as they started to gain on me in the interstitial flat. on teh second decline, i opened up my stride and just cruised easily down the hill. doing so doesn't cost any extra energy, though it does run the risk of burning you out with a pace you can't keep up on the flat. but my goal was to dissuade them from following by opening up a good lead.

it mostly worked. i continued to push towards the turn. i hit the 4 mile mark with a 2-mile split of 15:53 - pretty good considering the hill. i'm starting to tire, but i know they're still back there. so at the next water stop, i grab my water and keep running. i could tell i had a good enough lead on the men, but the woman was hanging on. she was wearing a running jacket that i could hear, so i didn't need to expend any effort to keep tabs on her.

as the flat drags on, i too start to drag. but i think i've lost her, as i stopped hearing the jacket. we get to the first of the hills to get back out. near the top she draws even, but can't hold it, and drops back going over the top. she makes no move on teh second as i maintain a consistent turnover and draw myself up. i grant myself a brief 15 second walk at the water stop at the top. she catches up, but based on those hills i figure i've got her in the bag if need be. but i'm also tiring. mile 5 clocks in at 8:20, and my overall time is 39:16. i try to do the math for how fast i need to run the next 1.2 miles, and i realize i have a fair shot. we reach the low point of the race, and its time to start climbing again. happily, the final lap cuts the big hill by half, inserting a quarter mile flat just before the finish. my quads are fairly burning, and i sense the woman also dropping pace. as we approach the turn onto the flat, she's drawing closer. at this point, i'm thinking, ok, i've been running most of the second half of the race with this woman. do i really want to be that guy and try to out kick her at the finish? she seemed like she was flagging a bit, and i drop speed just a touch to keep her in contact. there was nobody ahead of us to chase, and even if there was, i don't think i would have had enough to go after them. there was nobody behind us either. i hit the 6 mile mark with a 8:09 mile, and a minute-thirty to my pr, but the finish seems awfully close. like, way closer than a quarter mile. it looks half as far. and it was.

she out kicked me at the end. i don't mind. i invited it. but i also made a good effort to not let her outkick me by too much. her speed actually surprised me. but if i hadn't been letter her get closer, i don't think she would have caught me. but i might have burned myself out too. it was nice having fleeting moments of understood camraderie and competition.

i finished in 48:20, a pr by 35 seconds. i think they had the 6 mile mark in the wrong place, or i was late in clicking it, as my 6th mile seems to have taken longer than it felt.

in the 10k, i took 23rd overall. i also placed 2nd among males aged 30-39. i'm pretty happy about it.

themetfairy
Oct 02 2011 09:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG on the PR mm!

And welcome back - I've missed your detailed descriptions and accounts of your races :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2011 10:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Great work. I agree with your downhill strategy, unless you're hurting no reason not to accept on what gravity is giving you.

OTOH I don't think I could bring myself to walk in a race without feeling too humiliated (and/or relieved) to start running again. Wouldn't your times be better overall if you limited your exertion only to the point where you wouldn't require a walk? Just asking.

Cool weather and a homeward tailwind made a big difference in my run tonite, set a modest PR and milestone by breaking 1 hour (59:57) for 7 miles.

metsmarathon
Oct 03 2011 07:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

in a shorter race, i only walk when i have a water cup in my hands, and typically only for 5-10 seconds or so. basically just long enough to gulp down the water without choking. for some reason, i can't drink from a cheap paper cup while running. and since i'd slow down to drink anyway, i might as well walk and eliminate the bouncing and facilitate the swallowing. the 5 seconds i lose are made up pretty quickly.

yesterday, i made a point of walking to keep me from overworking the calf. it also reinforced the notion that while i hoping for a pr, i was not out there for an all-out race. no sense in busting up my calf a week before the race that i've been training for. plus, after the first water stop which was mostly obligatory, i really needed the recovery at the rest of them.

but in 5ks and other short races, when i'm in shape, the worst that happens is somebody passes me by a few steps, but i come back to them. i'm sure it motivates them to want to beat me as i constantly yo-yo around them...

i've had races where i regret stopping for the water as it busted me out of a good groove, and i've had races where i regretted not stopping as i needed the hydration/cooldown. i need to do a better job of taking the entire context of the race into account when i come up on a water stop, to minimize hte disruption, but really, i don't typically stop for the break, but so i can take in some water. for me, choking on water is far more disruptive to a good run than briefly and briskly walking while downing a few ounces of water.

i don't really know how i managed to get through cross country without having any water stops on the course.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 10 2011 09:08 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Sure enough I had two bad encounters with trying to drink water without stopping at the local 'hood 5K yesterday, up my nose both times. I normally wouldn't take water for a short run anyway, I never do on longer runs, but I was trying to beat all my neighbors and it was very hot (1 pm start, bright sun).

This was the race that launched the 2007 Running Thread when I'd just gotten back into running and finished in around 26 minutes. Yesterday I started near the rear to stay in the shade and had some trouble navigating the slower runners and parked cars for the first half mile or so. Once I found room I moved forward and picked off runners one by one all the way to the end. I don't think I got passed even once in the last 2 miles even though I was really laboring. Came to the finish line in 24:02 by the clock, they have yet to post the chip times.

Great part about this race is that it's a total community blowout, they had 25 and 50 yard dashes for kids all morning (Lunchpail won his heat going away), then a massive after race party with tons of food, DJ and free beer ... benefit for the local polish Catholic school, they know how to party.

themetfairy
Oct 10 2011 09:31 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG Lunchie!

TransMonk
Oct 10 2011 09:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

That does sound like a lot of fun.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 11 2011 11:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Saying goodbye to the Brooks Adrenalines after 600 miles and 2 sets of insoles, and returning to the Asics 2160s.

The latter were more durable for sure and somewhat cushier, if a bit heavier than the Brooks.

I considered doing the kayanos for more cushioning but they were out in my size which saved me the sticker shock and associated guilt. I figure if I need those I'll get em in the spring.

Probably could have held off on the purchase for a few weeks and got new 2170s and/or cheaper 2160s in the secondary market but what are you gonna do.

metsmarathon
Oct 12 2011 02:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

on sunday i ran in the 2011 army ten miler, down in dc. as i'd been struggling to get myself back into running shape, this race has been my target. when i started back up in august, i figured i had just enough time to get myself healthy, healed, and built up to ten miles.

and in my training, i was able to fit in a 10-miler two weeks ago. so i figured i was ready. i planned on walking through the water stops - gasp! - for just about long enough to drink the water, and refuel as needed, only about 30 seconds every other mile.

my goal going into the race was to run somewhere between 80 and 90 minutes. i figured if i had a good day, and my legs cooperated, i could probably get close to 80. if not, i should still be able to do 90 and not hate myself afterwards. as my training / recovery started and progressed, i really wasn't sure how i'd develop, how quickly i'd bounce back into shape, and how much speed and/or endurance i would have, and how much i'd have to hold myself back. as the day approached, i felt more and more confident that i'd be on the low end of my expectations, but was still wary.

i was slated to begin in the 2nd wave of 3. my predicted pace was as fast as i had been allowed to say without providing any corroborating evidence. in the prior year i'd not run a race long enough or fast enough to justify my expected pace. my race number was in the twelve thousands. two years ago, it was in the high threes.

i started a ways back of the line, about a minute's worth of time after our corral got the starting gun. i wanted to hang back for hte beginning and let the race come to me. no sense blowing out my calf with 9 miles to go.

the first mile took about 8:47, and i felt a little sluggish. i felt fine enough, i just wasn't sure if i'd be able to convince my legs to operate with a much more rapid turnover. the next two miles passed in almost exactly 16 minutes, including a water stop. there was a hill in there that served to tire me out a bit. it wasn't a big hill at all, really. at home, i'd probably consider it flat, relatively speakiing. on the bright side, the next mile was slightly downhill.

i took advantage and busted out a 7:30, which was basically a make-or-break move. i could've really just blown myself out there, but i figured i was close enough to halfway that it was worth the risk. i hoped that i would be able to carry thpace forward a bit.

i wasn't right, but i wasn't wrong. i stayed locked into about an 8 minute pace for hte next three or four miles as we ran past hte national mall and through the more heavily spectated areas.

at hte 8 mile mark i looked at my watch. hmm... 1:04:26. just over 8 minutes per mile. the last two miles had a bunch of inclines as we would cross over hte potomac, and traverse a few highway overpasses. nothing steep at all, just sapping inclines and concrete. it would be a long sloggish two miles, but i was focused anew on breaking 80.
and so i pushed. mile nine passed by in 7:45. i just had to do that one more time.

we come down off the interstate to finish by the pentaon. in thepast it was a sharp turn, another turn, and hte finish. this year, they move the finish off a bit. same sharp turn, but then run straight. i had no real idea how much was left to the race. just ahead of my i could see an overpass with runners on it. how the hell do i getup there? and who puts an overpass in the last mile!? that's just cruel. but i follow the crowd. ahead there's a left, then a right, then the overpass. i figure i'm getting close. at the top i see the finish. not much more than a quarter to go. i let the decline carry me down, and push hard for hte line. i cross and stop my watch.last mile, 7:20. total time 1:19:31ish. just a shade under 80 minutes total. sweet!

it was a hot day, with temperatures in the low 80s. the temperature i'm sure ahd an effect on me, but i don't think it was all that much. i got my finishers coin, and mde my way back to the finish, just in time to see mrs.mm cross, almost exactly 15 minutes behind me. she was using the race as a pacing trial for her upcoming marine corps marathon effort.

we wandered around the finisharea for a while and looked for directions back to the metro. the maps were unhelpful. we decided that the buses marked "shuttle" must be there for that purpose, and were pleasantly surprised. they brought us back around to where the runners were coming down off he interstate. we lingered, cheered on some runners in the off chance that we'd see mrs.mm's dad come by - we didn't see him. and then we discussed taking the metro back vs walking to our hotel. we decided to walk the mile.

after stopping at a starbuck s on the way back we ran into mrs.mm's dad just outside the hotel. he'd run the race in just under 2 hours, and taken the metro. we got back to our hotel room. we checked across hte hall to see how minimm was doing spending the morning with his grandma. they had just gotten back from watching the race finish from under that interstate overpass - the one by the shuttle dropoff. they managed to not see any of us run by. and we somehow managed to walk within 10 feet of them and didn't even not see them. crazy!

in the end, a good time was had by all. i've never been so happy about my performance in a race in which i did not pr.

TransMonk
Oct 12 2011 02:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Awesome!

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 12 2011 03:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I remember running.

You guys are awesome.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 12 2011 03:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i wasn't right, but i wasn't wrong.


That's a pretty good description of most of my runs.

themetfairy
Oct 12 2011 03:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Well done mm - you're my hero!

Fman99
Oct 12 2011 06:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work coach!

I'm in a taper period on the eve of my first ever half marathon this upcoming Sunday. While I didn't run any 10-12 mile runs to train for it I ran a ton of 7-8 milers. I feel great, my goal is to finish in less than 1:50, which would be an 8:24 per mile pace.

metsmarathon
Oct 12 2011 06:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

based on how you've been running, you've got a great shot! be sure not to go out too fast, and you should be fine.

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2011 09:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

just ran a "5k" at work. i place it in quotes because hte course is really 3.25 miles long. they have mile markers for the first and second mile, and they seem to be in the right place when i map it out independently. the 3 mile mark that i map is where my times and intuition tell me, and the finish is a good quarter mile beyond. again, my times and intuition confirm it. happily, i know where the 3.1 mile mark is, so i can check my watch.

this course is where i seem to run the fastest. i think it's because i know the competition and know who i should challenge and who i should not let pass me.

it is also at time a wickedly sparse crowd. i think that helps. plus i know hte course intimately, and i know that helps.

as we lined up, i tried to place myself a few people back of the line. but nobody stepped in front of me, so i was in the front. swell. i remark to another runner that this is not good - that i should not be at the fore.

on your mark, set, go.

i'm not sure what i was thinking, but i started out fast. real fast. i led the pack for the first 2-300 meters. slowly, the faster runners start to pick me off. within the next half mile, 7 runners pass me, but i'm ok with it - i know they're all faster than me. as we approached the first mile, my watch said something ridiculous like 6:20. i was running in a bubble. the faster runners were ahead of me, as i was slowly slowing, but there was nobody close behind, at least i didn't think so.

i had a deicsion. either push to try to maintain the gap ahead of me, or allow myself to fall back to the crowd, and likely be unable to turn on the jets should they draw too close. it was an easy choice. i pushed on as best i could.

the next mile was fairly uneventful. i thought i heard footsteps behind me for a time, but it may have just been hte leaves. nobody materialized. i hit the two mile in 13:14. i'd slowed, but still got the mile in under 7.

at two and a quarter, was the first and only water stop. i considered running through it, as today wa a bit of a nothing to lose kind of day. but it was unmanned - just cups of water on a table. i slowed to grab one, and also checked my six to make sure i wasn't about to get passed. there was nobody. i couldn't get myself to do anything but walk. so. so. slowly. for 10-15 seconds as i lifted and drank hte first cup of water, and doused my head with the second. starting up was a struggle of wills. but i snapped back into gear soon enough.

i always struggle in this last mile, and that water stop wasn't going to help my time much. the three mile was approaching, and my watch showed i had just entered my 20th minute. holy shit, i'm still going fast! could i get to the three by 21? eh, i was off by 5 or 6 seconds. close enough.

push for the 5k! tick. tick. tick... 21:39 - holy shit! my PR is 21:14! how did i just do that?! and oh crap, i still have to get to the finish.. 22:42! 6:59 pace!

as i jogged the mile to the start, i felt like today was not going to go well. my calf was feeling a little tired, and i didn't ge tenough sleep last night - not nearly enough. but mrs.mm will tell you that the more i complain about how crappy i feel, the more likely i am to run a really great race. she's kindof sick of me in that regard.

i've run this course in as fast as 21:24. it's a wickedly fast flat course. i wish i could run a real, sanctioned and certified 5k as fast as i run here, but it's a good morale booster.

i said after the army ten miler that i guess i'm back. i think, yeah, i am.

TransMonk
Oct 14 2011 09:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Nice work...truly an inspiration.

themetfairy
Oct 14 2011 09:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

WTG mm - that's fabulous.

Oh, and I hate you for being twice as fast as I am. Seriously.

But WTG - wow!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 14 2011 10:02 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I just found out there's an 8.15 mile race that draws 20,000 runners in Hawaii the morning after we arrive. I will probably be zonked from an 11 hour plane trip but this sounds like it could be a pretty radical welcome to Hawaii kinda thing. Yeah?

[url]http://www.greataloharun.com/race

Great work on the run, mm. I'm finding the transition back to 2160s has been more painful than expected: The squishier landing is nice on the insides & outsides of the foot, but actually hurts where there's less pressure in the middle, feels as though my socks are creased right below the middle toes. This forced me to stop my run and re-tie my shoes 3 times in my maiden voyage Tuesday and twice last night. On the upside, my pace is quite good, and I believe my shoes will get used to my feet and vice versa in another couple miles.

Ceetar
Oct 14 2011 10:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

There's always..



20000 runners? I don't think I saw 20000 people the entire time i was in Hawaii total.

Fman99
Oct 14 2011 10:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

You should absolutely do it. It will give you license to eat a lot of crapola the entire rest of your vacation.

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2011 11:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

i love finding out that there are races in town whenever i'm somewhere. when we were in hawaii, we did two 10ks in honolulu on consecutive weekends. well, i only did one. the other was a womens' only 10k. but i was there cheering.

you should absolutely run the race. and if you don't, take me a long so i can run it for you. i love races that involve sports stadiums.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 15 2011 03:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I'd do that Hawaii run, too, even if I can't run for shit anymore.

Last night I did 5k's in a scorching 29 minutes flat. On a fucking treadmill!

That calf tear effin killed me & I've tweaked the hammy on my other leg twice in the last 2 months. Feel 1,000 years old.

themetfairy
Oct 15 2011 04:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

That's still faster than me....

Fman99
Oct 16 2011 06:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Wow, that was fun.

Blew my goal pace out of the water today, I was aiming for sub-1:50, which I figured out to be about an 8:24 per mile pace. This course is totally flat, aside from two small hills, really dips, this was a fast track. I started hard and fast but not at an unmanageable pace. I ran the first few miles at about 8 minutes per mile, running with a buddy of mine from my running club, and then eased up just a bit at about the 3-4 mile mark to an 8:10 or so pace. I was able to hold that pace for the majority of the rest of the race.

The weather was just beautiful, a little crisp at the start. I started wearing gloves but took them off about 3 miles in.

Around mile 12 my groin tightened up. If I had been running a full marathon I'd have been dead meat. With a mile plus left to go I just fought through it. I had a burst at the end and finished with a chip time of 1:46:49, which works out to an 8:10 pace. I finished 121st out of 1100+ runners and in the top quarter of my age bracket. I was ecstatic with that time. In May I ran a 10 mile race (albeit a much hillier one) and could not get in under 90 minutes. The difference that five months of distance training makes was striking to me. At no time did I feel gassed, or winded, or anything like that. The bottoms of my feet were a little tender, and the groin too at the end, but a handful of Advil later and I feel as good as I hoped to.

I will be doing that distance again, to be certain. It was great fun. Many of my friends ran their first half and full marathons out there today as well, I got tons of support from my friends.

Fman99
Oct 16 2011 06:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

One thing I did differently today was to take mm's suggestion to walk through the water/Gatorade stops and consume an entire cup each time. Not at each stop, I skipped one or two, but when I stopped I walked at a normal pace and drained a full serving. Made a big difference to me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2011 06:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Great job, now have an adult beverage.

metsmarathon
Oct 16 2011 06:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

incredible work out there! as a comparison, my half pr is 1:43 and change. i don't doubt that you can challenge it.

i'm glad that walking through the water stops worked for you. it really helps to get down the full cup of water and not feel like you're going to drown yourself, and you really do recharge your batteries pretty darned quickly.

and go ahead, have another adult beverage. you earned it.

Fman99
Oct 17 2011 07:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I'd like to run this, but I'm committed to volunteering at Lunchpail's soccer league which is all Saturday ams. Also, IMO the $60 entry fee is excessive considering I can run that course for free anytime.

On Sunday 10/9, I am gunning for my long-awaited rematch with Krazy Kowalski in the race that re-started my running career back in 2007



[url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/7600/f2_t7641.shtml


I went back and found my posts in that archived thread from my very first days running, first in late 2008 and early 2009 when my arthritis kept me from running in any capacity, and then from November 2009, when I was tentatively stepping on the treadmill after a twenty plus year layoff from running. My first "run" was a blistering 4.3 MPH clip for 30 minutes and it was a killer workout.

And now, not two years later, I've completed a half marathon. And beat 3/4 of my age group to boot. How damn cool is that?

Thanks to all of the CPF Running Club for your years of support, and advice, and commiseration. For all of the running I do by myself, it's nice to have that support system in place. You guys are the shit.

themetfairy
Oct 17 2011 08:24 PM
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WTG Fman - you rock!

Fman99
Oct 17 2011 09:00 PM
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Fman99
Nov 16 2009 08:14 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux
While it is a small step, I am proud to say that instead of my usual elliptical/crosstrainer/walking on incline routine at the gym I was able to jog on a treadmill at a moderate (for me) pace of 4.3 MPH, for 30 minutes, and I'm no worse for wear. Today, anyway.

I have been going regularly to the gym, to burn calories, for the last two years or so, but mostly have not been able to jog or run due to the impact on my joints. It occurred to me today to slow it down a bit and try again.

My goal is to gradually get up to higher speeds and run a 30 minute 5k race in 2010. Encouraged by today's results, my other goal now is also to run TEN 5k races in 2010.

Going to go to the local runners' place on Wednesday and invest in a better pair of running shoes, that I get fitted for, as well as some reflective outside running attire of some kind.

bmfc1
Oct 18 2011 08:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99--very, very impressive time. Congrats.

bmfc1
Oct 18 2011 09:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Question for the floor:

I will be running a half-marathon on November 12 (Richmond). This will be my second half-marathon. To prepare, I've been running longer and more often. From October 7 to 10, I did 20 miles (with one day off), including a long run of 8 miles. I ran 9 miles last Saturday. If I run a lot, my knees start to hurt (sore, not pain) so I need some days off after the longer runs.

This program says that I should do 10 this weekend, culminating with 12 the week before the race.
http://www.halhigdon.com/halfmarathon/novice2.html

Do you agree? Thanks.

themetfairy
Oct 18 2011 10:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I would personally recommend a longer taper than that, although Hal Higdon is an acknowledged expert in the field.

Try to pick up John Bingham and Jenny Hadfield's Marathoning for Mortals - they offer some nice training plans and excellent advice.

metsmarathon
Oct 18 2011 10:49 AM
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higdon is my usual go-to guy.

i don't think it's really necessary to have a taper before a half marathon, unlike what you'd want for a full marathon. you shouldn't be getting to the point where your body needs multiple weeks to freshen up for the race. taking the week of the marathon easy should suffice.

it's possible that the shorter ong runs don't steep your body in endurance as much as the longer marathon-training runs do, so by cutting back too early, you lose more than you'd get back by having fresh legs for the race. i don't have anything more than suspicions to back that with, of course.

myself, i'm training up for a trail half marathon on november 6th. for the first time in a long time, i find that i need to build up my endurance to run a half, having lost much of this year due to injuries. i'm not following any training plan in particular, just my intuition and the time available. i ran 12 on saturday, and plan to run 14 this week. i wanted to go over the race distance to account a bit for the added difficulty of the hills that'll be on the course - and they've stuffed a wicked one in the last 3 miles! (if you dig back to the trail 5 miler i did in june of last year, those are the last 5 miles of this race - it's going to be a challenge to be sure!) the week before the race i'll be in dc as mrs.mm is running the marine corps marathon, so i'm going to be forced to take a bit of a taper. hopefully i can still get in 6-8 miles. i'm actually a little concerned that the forced taper will draw down my endurance, though i will be happy for the rest.

i guess what i'm saying is that intuitively, i think the 12 the week before the half would be fine. if i were training for a road half, that's about all i'd do, sans taper.

as another source, i've been planning on using a half marathon training plan from ryan hall, top american marathoner. he also has no real taper either, just a smidgen of rest prior to the big day.

Fman99
Oct 18 2011 11:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

bmfc1 wrote:
Question for the floor:

I will be running a half-marathon on November 12 (Richmond). This will be my second half-marathon. To prepare, I've been running longer and more often. From October 7 to 10, I did 20 miles (with one day off), including a long run of 8 miles. I ran 9 miles last Saturday. If I run a lot, my knees start to hurt (sore, not pain) so I need some days off after the longer runs.

This program says that I should do 10 this weekend, culminating with 12 the week before the race.
http://www.halhigdon.com/halfmarathon/novice2.html

Do you agree? Thanks.


Speaking from my own experience only, I know that I should have done at least a couple of 10-12 mile runs leading up to the half, but I just couldn't squeeze in the time. I did run quite a few 7-9 mile runs in the weeks leading up to the race, at least once per week, in addition to my normal 3-5 mile runs, with the hopes that the overall accumulation of miles would be enough conditioning to get me through the event. Which it was.

As for a taper, I ran nothing longer than 5 miles two weeks before the race, a couple of 3-4 mile runs the week prior and took off the last three days leading up to the race, and I felt fresh going in. My quads were aching yesterday, and the soles of my feet are still sore (my race was 100% on asphalt), but aside from that I am no worse for wear two days later.

Good luck!

bmfc1
Oct 18 2011 01:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Thank you themetfairy, metsmarathon and Fman99 for the great advice.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 18 2011 08:40 PM
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Fman, awesome run for your first half marathon. Congratulations for a job well done! Best of luck to bmfc1 in his upcoming race.

bmfc1
Oct 19 2011 05:39 AM
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Thanks Rockin' Doc!

TransMonk
Oct 21 2011 07:48 AM
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I'm running my first and only race of 2011 tomorrow. I walked the event last year in April, and I think "race" would be an overstatement as I don't remember a winner or times being posted. We did have numbers pinned to our shirts, but the event was much more about raising money for a cause than about winners.

The event is the second annual American Brain Tumor Association memorial 5K walk/run for my friend's dad who died of brain tumors.

Tomorrow, I'll be thinking of Gary Carter during my run.

themetfairy
Oct 21 2011 07:50 AM
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Best of luck TM!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 21 2011 07:54 AM
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TransMonk wrote:
I'm running my first and only race of 2011 tomorrow. I walked the event last year in April, and I think "race" would be an overstatement as I don't remember a winner or times being posted. We did have numbers pinned to our shirts, but the event was much more about raising money for a cause than about winners.

The event is the second annual American Brain Tumor Association memorial 5K walk/run for my friend's dad who died of brain tumors.

Tomorrow, I'll be thinking of Gary Carter during my run.


Gluck, TM.

Is everyone enjoying/benefitting from the cooler weather as much as me? I've done my "regular route" 60-some times and my 4 fastest have all come this month. Can't just be the new shoes right? Tailwind and cool temps!

TransMonk
Oct 21 2011 07:59 AM
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I love the cooler weather, and I have seen my times improve. This morning was below freezing (30 degrees) for my run. But I wear thermals and after a few miles I was sweating up a storm.

My biggest struggle with fall setting in has been the lack of light. When I run in the morning now, dawn is just breaking as I get done. I bought a headlamp last night and used it for the first time this morning. I need to get used to the bobbing that it does as it bounces on my head, but otherwise I am happy that I can see potential obstacles, other people/vehicles can see me and hopefully I am deterring potential muggers from jumping out of the shadows.

themetfairy
Oct 21 2011 08:04 AM
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For the most part I'm enjoying the cooler weather, although I find that my glute, which felt good over the summer, has started barking again. It doesn't like the cold.

themetfairy
Oct 22 2011 12:55 PM
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I ran the Rock 'n' Roll 10K this morning in Prospect Park. This was probably the most disorganized event I've ever done - The Rock 'n' Roll Marathon series is established, but they had no idea how to handle New York. From the race expo yesterday that only had large shirts (eventually they did import shirts of all sizes. But since all they had at the expo was bib and shirt pick-up, why didn't they have enough of them at the beginning?) to the long registration lines this morning it was a mess.

Fortunately, Team McGraw didn't let it get in our way -





And the bling was worth the hassle -




I finished in 1:14:18 - not a land speed record, but I'll take it.

Plus Team McGraw raised over $1,700 for the Tug McGraw Foundation, which is truly amazin'!

I'm feeling it now - a bit stiff, and very tired. But it was worth all of the hassles and aches - I had a great time.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 22 2011 01:00 PM
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That is a sweet medal! Congrats!

themetfairy
Oct 22 2011 01:09 PM
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Thanks :)

Fman99
Oct 22 2011 01:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
TransMonk wrote:
I'm running my first and only race of 2011 tomorrow. I walked the event last year in April, and I think "race" would be an overstatement as I don't remember a winner or times being posted. We did have numbers pinned to our shirts, but the event was much more about raising money for a cause than about winners.

The event is the second annual American Brain Tumor Association memorial 5K walk/run for my friend's dad who died of brain tumors.

Tomorrow, I'll be thinking of Gary Carter during my run.


Gluck, TM.

Is everyone enjoying/benefitting from the cooler weather as much as me? I've done my "regular route" 60-some times and my 4 fastest have all come this month. Can't just be the new shoes right? Tailwind and cool temps!


Oh yeah. This is my favorite time of year to run, I can go mile after mile and not overheat. Mid 50's and cloudy, foliage everywhere, I put in nearly 30 miles this week.

Fman99
Oct 22 2011 01:42 PM
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A Boy Named Seo wrote:
That is a sweet medal! Congrats!


I agree, nice work!

themetfairy
Oct 22 2011 04:57 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
That is a sweet medal! Congrats!


I agree, nice work!


Thanks friend :)

Fman99
Oct 24 2011 07:50 AM
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Completed the sixth leg of the Syrathon, a series of six races all held in the Syracuse area meant to highlight the city parks system. Those of us who did all six races (29.2 miles worth) were treated to a sweet medal at the conclusion of yesterday's capper, a 5 Mile run through beautiful neighborhood of Eastwood called the Park to Park run. It was hilly and challenging but the weather was great and many of my friends were there to run it with me. I ran it in 38:46, a 7:45/mile pace, finishing 50th out of 272 and 8th of 34 in my age group.

The medals are sweet, too. Engraved plate on the back that says "Finisher 2011."

themetfairy
Oct 24 2011 09:07 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Very nice Fman!

metsmarathon
Oct 24 2011 09:41 AM
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excellent!

i wish there was such a thing in my town. we have, as best as i can count, 6 races, not including the triathlon. i've done 5 of them so far, but not all int he same year. the one i'm missing has only been conducted sporadically. it was cancelled this year due to the lingering aftereffects of hurricane irene and the damage it did to a local park.

they're pretty much all operated by different groups. but i think the local running club, small though it may be, should strike up a partnership with the organizers of the other races and try to boost participation in the lot.

i think it's pretty cool that my quaint little town has three road 5k's, a cross country 5k, a trail 5k, and an 8 mile run, plus a sprint triathlon. i wouldn't be terribly surprised to find that there are more races hiding within our borders, only that i haven't heard of them due to limited advertising.

OE: damn. i should check out that local running club more. they actually have a semi-private 5-race series in the summer. i need to get in on that next year, i think!

Fman99
Oct 24 2011 11:16 AM
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It's pretty sweet, that Syrathon medal was one of the primary motivators in getting me to try races longer than 5k. There were just 60 or so people who did all six races.

I've been running on Saturday mornings with a local Run Club for the past few months, when my schedule permits it. I had met some of these folks last year at the local races but only recently started joining them on the group runs. I've found it enjoyable to run with other people. It's a very non-competitive, open group, with runners of all abilities (from 18 minute 5k runners all the way to 40-45 minute runners) and all kinds of personalities, all local and wanting to socialize and exercise. It's pretty sweet.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 24 2011 11:59 AM
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I'm contemplating joining my local running club too, mostly because they have excellent shirts but also because it might be nice on occasion at least to run with a group.

They do a similar course to me on Monday nites, but that particular run is considerably fast and I prolly couldn't keep up (~7:30 miles for 9 miles), especially after ruining my foot again after stepping on an acorn on Saturday. Stupid hipsters. Stupid foot.

metsmarathon
Oct 24 2011 08:57 PM
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well, i might be on the shelf again. pissed off my other calf with my weekend of running way too hard up way too many hills with way too little rest. in hindsight, i shouldn't have tried to squeeze in a run today.

i'll see what i can do this weekend. i really wanted to run around the national mall the day before the marine corps marathon, and am not happy that i'll probably be unable to run my trail half that i've been looking forward to.

i'm not hurt any worse than teh other calf had been, so this time i know how to recover. i just really don't want to take that fucking long.

themetfairy
Oct 24 2011 09:04 PM
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Man - that's aggravating.

Heal quickly!

metsmarathon
Oct 24 2011 09:08 PM
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at least i got through the 10-miler... but i was starting to feel really good - like i was ready to start doing some harder running. i knew in the back of my head i was pushing a little too hard for the half, but it was about the only way i could feel ready in time.

seeming calf injury aside, i felt ready for the race. damnit.

Fman99
Oct 25 2011 12:20 PM
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I'm dinged up too. The balls of my feet have been gradually getting more and more tender since I ran my half marathon last weekend. Just the constant pounding on pavement. I pushed it too, because I was feeling good, and ran 4 miles the Wednesday after the half, and 7 that Thursday, and 5.5 Saturday and a 5 mile race on Sunday. So 35 miles in an 8 day stretch, which is a lot for me.

Yesterday I was hobbled. Spent 45 minutes icing them last night, and bought some gel inserts for my shoes and today I'm just sore instead of tender. Not running again until this weekend at the earliest. As of today I am not signed up for any races for the rest of 2011, and while there are a few events in early November that I ran last year I could take/leave any of them. The next one that I'm really looking forward to is the local Turkey Trot on Thanksgiving Day. They have a 5k at 9:15 AM and a 10k at 10 AM, I was thinking of doing both...

themetfairy
Oct 25 2011 03:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Feel better friend!

Fman99
Oct 26 2011 09:32 AM
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Thanks MF.

I feel gradually better each day. My target date for a run is Saturday morning with my run club friends, an easy 3-4 miles on flat ground, if I continue to feel better. If it still hurts I will take all next week off as well.

I may hit the gym and get on an elliptical tomorrow for 30 minutes, keep the ol' blood flowing. It's getting colder out anyway.

metsmarathon
Oct 26 2011 09:53 AM
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a nice foot massage would probably help.

and no, i'm not offering.

Fman99
Oct 26 2011 11:07 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
a nice foot massage would probably help.

and no, i'm not offering.


Cocktease.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 27 2011 09:00 PM
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My podiatrist recommended a foot massage for me too, my issue is the pounding + an instable left ankle causing some stride issues and tendon soreness.

Broke out the long sleeve shirt, running pants and ear-covering headband tonight, 7 miles in the cold and strong winds. 41 degrees/feels like 26 according to my weather thingy.

TransMonk
Oct 31 2011 07:54 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

October was a pretty productive month for me with 106.9 miles run (172 km).

The cooler weather combined with new-ish shoes has me cruisin'. My total time was 14:56:34 which works out to about a 5:13/km average pace. The hammy that was bothering me last month has been a lot better and overall my legs feel very healthy considering the mileage I've put on them.

I'm up to 797.2 miles (1283 km) for the year and I'm exactly on my target for my 1000 mile goal for 2011. I've got 3 more weeks outside before I plan on moving to the YMCA treadmill for the final 6 weeks of the year.

Fman99
Oct 31 2011 06:48 PM
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Ran 72.7 miles this past October, despite taking off all but two of the last nine days of the month due to foot pain. Ran 3.75 today and felt better... a little sore tonight but nothing drastic. I think I'll be able to run again Wednesday.

So far up to 668.9 miles in 2011.

metsmarathon
Oct 31 2011 06:49 PM
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i was halted at 84. boo.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 01 2011 09:06 AM
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I battled with recurring foot instability and missed more days than I'd have liked to in October. Finished the month with 66.25 miles; 653 for the year.

On the plus side when I did run, I turned in the top 3 times ever at my regular course.

But I also have to confess to some motivation issues. Hoping this Hawaii thing will provide some to keep me on the road this winter.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 01 2011 11:15 AM
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October was my best running month of the year. I got 14 runs in for the month and covered 81.18 miles in 9hrs and 38minutes. My yearly mileage is at 664.00 miles. Barring injury or some other unforeseen circumstance, I should easily reach my goal of 750 miles for the year.

I did most of the runs on a 1.5% or 2.0% slope this month. I kept working on speed while running the inclines and was finally able to break the 21 minute mark for 5K when I ran a personal best of 20:57 on a 2% slope on the 26th of the month. I had 2 runs of 6.55 miles in 45 minutes on successive Saturdays (the 1st on a 1% grade and the second on a 2% grade).

I hope to finish strong the remaining 2 months of the year, then I plan to cut back my running next year to save wear and tear on my knees. I'll likely concentrate more on the lifting and may start biking some in place of running.

metsmarathon
Nov 01 2011 01:08 PM
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mrs.mm ran the marine corps marathon in 4:08:20, with an age-graded rating of 54.7%. when i ran new york two years ago, my time was 3:52:45, with an age grading of 53.6%. she wins!

TransMonk
Nov 01 2011 01:32 PM
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How does the age graded rating work?

themetfairy
Nov 01 2011 03:16 PM
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Congrats to RD and to mrs. marathon!

Fman99
Nov 03 2011 08:09 PM
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A week off from running seems to have helped, I ran 3.75 miles on Monday and 4.66 yesterday and my feet are feeling pretty good. Going to do an easy 3 tomorrow and a 5k Sunday morning.

There are local races each of the following two weekends that I may also run. My big decision now is Thanksgiving day... the local event that I ran last year has a 5k at 9:15 AM and a 10k at 10 AM. I could theoretically run them both, back to back (AAAAND BELLY TO BELLY! John Sterling rulez).

themetfairy
Nov 03 2011 08:31 PM
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Glad that you're feeling better Fman!

I'm running the NYRR 5K on Saturday from the UN to the Marathon finish line in Central Park. Bib pick-up is at the Marathon race expo, which gives me an excuse to hang out there tomorrow :)

themetfairy
Nov 04 2011 05:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

I need to buy this -


bmfc1
Nov 13 2011 11:39 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 26 2011 02:43 PM

I ran my second half-marathon yesterday and my second McDonald's Richmond Sun-Trust Half-Marathon (something like that--it was in Richmond, VA). Funny thing--now that I've successfully completed the run twice (twice, so it's not a fluke), I wish I could have run it faster. I improved by 5 minutes from last year to 2:11:21 but when I saw that I was 149 out of 219 in my age group, I was disappointed.

I stayed in a hotel only two blocks from the starting line. This was a good idea as it was 30 degrees so I could go downstairs and stay in the lobby until a few minutes before my wave began. I started strong and felt very good for the first seven miles but in mile eight, there were some hills and my right knee started to hurt and I slowed down. I started thinking about just making it to 10 so I would be within a 5K of the finish but that wasn't a good idea as I allowed myself think ahead instead of staying in the moment and focusing on my pace.

Then at 10, I thought that someone hit me in the left calf. I've never had a cramp hurt like that before. Fortunately, it went away after a few minutes but I didn't feel good and thought about walking away. I then thought about how stupid I'd look on Facebook and how I wanted to finish a landmark eight day stretch so I pushed those thoughts out of my head. I recovered and felt good at the finish although I felt the need to sing the chorus of "Badlands" out loud during the last mile.

As I crossed, I pumped my arms and heard my name from the announcer. I then got my medal, took a water bottle, and then walked to the food tent and almost fell over. I didn't feel dizzy but found myself being held up by an attractive woman who asked if I was OK and if she could call someone for me. I said that I was fine and that "my wife would be jealous" which means that I can flirt even when dizzy.

After a banana, some pizza and water, I felt fine and found my wife. As I sat and recapped the race and all that I had recently accomplished, I choked up.

So it's the day after, I'm proud of myself but damn, I wish I ran faster.

themetfairy
Nov 13 2011 01:25 PM
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5 minutes faster than last year, while battling cramps and knee pain? You did great!

And don't be discouraged about where you placed. So few people even attempt the half marathon distance, so you have to expect that your cohort group is going to be much speedier than what you find in your average 5K.

Be proud of yourself - you were a warrior today!

themetfairy
Nov 13 2011 05:40 PM
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I ran a 5K this afternoon at our local community college. It was a nice, flat course, and I saw several of my friends there. I started in the back of the pack, and this was not a chip race, plus I was a bit tired today, so I wasn't expecting speedy results. But the clock showed 37:02 when I finished, and I was willing to be pleased with that.

But now the results are up on Compuscore, and it shows me as finishing at 37:16:49. Not that 15 seconds is all that significant, but it's bugging me more than it should.

At least I have it better than my friend, who isn't shown as having finished.

Ya gotta love these little local races....

Fman99
Nov 13 2011 06:18 PM
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No race for me this past weekend, I did run an easy 4 with my running club friends yesterday morning. There's a local 5k next Sunday that I may run, it's the same course that I age-group medaled on back in August.

My feet still hurt but it's just a wear and tear thing. Nothing I can't run through; in fact, they hurt least when I am running.

Fman99
Nov 24 2011 10:50 AM
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The local Turkey Trot is a big event around here, this is the 43rd year in a row they've held it. They had a 5k that I ran last year that started at 9:15 and a 10k that started at 10 AM. A buddy and I decided it'd be fun to run them both, we had like a 20 minute break in the middle so I could change into dry clothes.

Busted it out there, just a few seconds off my time from last year on the 5k (23:45) and then a new PR with a 48:40 on the 10k. Foot is a little tender on the bottom but it's manageable. Advil will help.

A nap, I believe, is in order.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2011 11:29 AM
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Damn, that's impressive!

Fman99
Nov 24 2011 02:08 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Damn, that's impressive!


Thanks!

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2011 05:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

that sounds like a good day!

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2011 05:17 PM
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i clocked a 41:22 in my own 5k turkey trot effort.

i started at the ass end of 2000 people, and was pushing a jogging stroller. i also walked hte first 5 minutes, though had i been running, i probably wouldn't have gone much faster. alternated 5 minutes of running with 2 minutes of walking for the next two miles.

then tommy demanded to get out of the stroller. i was hoping he would walk with me. or run. that would've been fun.

he demanded to be held.

i carried him the final half mile or so. it did not help my time at all. prior to that, i was averaging about 11 minutes per mile, with the walking and the crowds slowing me down. on the bright side, had i not been trying to recover from an injury, i would've exploded in an atomic bomb of rage trying to negotiate the crowd with a jogging stroller, so it's just as well.

...oh. i just checked. it was the final 5/6 of a mile. no wonder that was so slow. and my arm hurts so much.

mrs.mm on the other hand, set a pr today. as in faster than she ran in college. her time? 23:34. fuckin' a!

themetfairy
Nov 24 2011 05:54 PM
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WTG mrs.mm!

And LOL - it amuses me to no end that you ran a slower 5K than what I usually run, albeit under ridiculously trying circumstances I hope that you and mini mm had fun with the experience :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 25 2011 02:12 PM
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meant to run a turkey trot on Thursday but two races in this area (nova) were sold out. Ran instead ony own yesterday and today, but saw them installing mile markers on my run in the park today. Turns out there is an 8k here tomorrow so we are signed up for that.

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2011 09:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

race photos from the turkey trot are up.

i thought they got me as i jogged in the last few feet, but i guess they got me just prior. i think i was just asking minimm if he wanted to run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 26 2011 09:27 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
meant to run a turkey trot on Thursday but two races in this area (nova) were sold out. Ran instead ony own yesterday and today, but saw them installing mile markers on my run in the park today. Turns out there is an 8k here tomorrow so we are signed up for that.


Evil course, there was a marker at one mile but not at 2 miles so when the following marker came up I was expecting 4 but got 3. I was running too hard. They said there would be water at mile 4 so I took some and went into my last mile mindset only to encounter the actual mile 4 marker a quarter mile ahead of the water. That final mile was almost all uphill too I almost stopped twice. But came across in 38:36. That's pretty fast for me. Bonus: I beat my 11 year old niece who shoulda won an award but had to compete among all under 19.

Fman99
Nov 26 2011 01:49 PM
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Very nice! I ran an 8k this past summer in 41:24 that was a bitch, a trail run followed by two miles of ridonkulous hills.

Fman99
Nov 30 2011 05:46 PM
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Banged out 65.9 miles in November on two very hurtful feet. Hopefully they are just big callouses, though I suspect at least one plantar wart. Going to the podiatrist next week.

Up to 734.8 miles in 2011. Which is a bad-ass number if I must say. That's the same number of miles as it would be if I ran from my house to Charlotte, NC.

Ceetar
Nov 30 2011 05:54 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:
Banged out 65.9 miles in November on two very hurtful feet. Hopefully they are just big callouses, though I suspect at least one plantar wart. Going to the podiatrist next week.

Up to 734.8 miles in 2011. Which is a bad-ass number if I must say. That's the same number of miles as it would be if I ran from my house to Charlotte, NC.



30.2 for me. (not seeing an easy way to total my year in runkeeper..but i'm tired) this keeps me just above a mile a day average which I feel like is a good baseline to work up from. Of course, It took 3 consecutive days at the end there, 4, 4 and 4.75 which was a record distance at once for me. (took me 52,52, and 60 minutes respectively)

Fman99
Nov 30 2011 06:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Ceetar wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
Banged out 65.9 miles in November on two very hurtful feet. Hopefully they are just big callouses, though I suspect at least one plantar wart. Going to the podiatrist next week.

Up to 734.8 miles in 2011. Which is a bad-ass number if I must say. That's the same number of miles as it would be if I ran from my house to Charlotte, NC.



30.2 for me. (not seeing an easy way to total my year in runkeeper..but i'm tired) this keeps me just above a mile a day average which I feel like is a good baseline to work up from. Of course, It took 3 consecutive days at the end there, 4, 4 and 4.75 which was a record distance at once for me. (took me 52,52, and 60 minutes respectively)


Good for you, Ceetar!

(There's no easy way -- I had totaled my mileage a month ago, for this thread, looked it up and added 65.9 to that number.)

themetfairy
Nov 30 2011 07:15 PM
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When I was totaling everything last year, I kept a spreadsheet.

metsmarathon
Nov 30 2011 10:19 PM
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26 miles in december, most of it in my vibram five fingers. its not a whole lot of time in them, but so far, i'm a fan.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 01 2011 05:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

Fman99 wrote:


Up to 734.8 miles in 2011. Which is a bad-ass number if I must say. That's the same number of miles as it would be if I ran from my house to Charlotte, NC.


Believe it or not I'm also at 734 for the year after doing 81 during November. I'd cross the state line into S.C. due to a more southerly starting point.

Ceetar
Dec 01 2011 05:21 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
26 miles in december, most of it in my vibram five fingers. its not a whole lot of time in them, but so far, i'm a fan.



we're 7 hours in. That's a lot of miles in that time for December!

TransMonk
Dec 01 2011 07:50 AM
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Trotted out 103.8 miles (167 km) in November which puts me up to 901 miles (1450 km) for the year. The countdown to 1000 is on.

My total November time was 14:05:02 which breaks down to a little less than 5:04/km. I ran a similar overall distance in the month of September, but my overall November time was almost an hour faster. My goal for December is just to get 100 more miles in and to not worry much about speed.

I had planned on moving inside to a gym treadmill in November, but after running primarily outside for 8 months, 40 minutes on a treadmill seems like hell. I've decided as long as the wind chill is above 20 degrees and it isn't raining/snowing/icy, I'll tough it out in the cold rather than bore myself to death on a treadmill.

metsmarathon
Dec 01 2011 09:17 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
26 miles in december, most of it in my vibram five fingers. its not a whole lot of time in them, but so far, i'm a fan.



we're 7 hours in. That's a lot of miles in that time for December!


7 hours is plenty of time to cover 26 miles. you could walk it.

but yeah, i meant november. damnit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 01 2011 09:28 AM
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wtf with the toe shoes

themetfairy
Dec 01 2011 10:35 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
7 hours is plenty of time to cover 26 miles. you could walk it.



Yeah - even I'm faster than that

metsmarathon
Dec 01 2011 11:44 AM
Re: Running Thread 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
wtf with the toe shoes


i'd been interested in them for a while. i also figured that my running style is probably perfect for transitioning into minimalist shoes, since they're all about not landing on your heels, which i don't.

i figured htat by introducing them into my running/recovery, i'd have a good chance of strengthening my legs, correcting my biomechanics, possibly improving hte flexibility in my feet, and running faster.

so far, i don't think they're hurting. i know i'm hard ono my calves, and i don't appear yet to be overstressing them. i've run on them without my customary knee strap a bit, mostly because i misplaced it (them all) for a while, and i don't thinnk i felt any negative issues. i'd been feeling too that my mechaics had fallen to pieces of late, and i wanted to have more feedback on that front, and these sure help.

i also haven't run across more than one or two rocks that would cause me to wince, though with more cushioning, i'd still not enjoy stepping on those two.

they're not going to be good for winter, as there's no insulation to keep my piggies warm, but i plan on running in them a lot, mixing in my other minimalist shoes - the saucony kinvaras - and my normal asics 1180s.

don't know if i could run a marathon in them, (200 pounds for 26 miles is a lot for no cushioning, but i've taken them to 5 miles ith no ill effects. the lack of cushioning really hasn't been an issue for me. they felt, dare i say, natural. i'm early on into them, sure, but thus far, i'm a fan and a tentative proponent.

Rockin' Doc
Dec 02 2011 05:54 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 10 2011 08:03 PM

Ran 12 times in the month of November and covered 75.42 miles. That brings my yearly total to 739.42 miles. My goal of 750 miles for the year is easily within reach. I've found that I have pretty much peaked on my speed, so I've been working on maintaining my times while increasing the inclines I run. I ran most of this month on a steady incline of 1.5-2%* incline. I had a week where I reduced the incline to 1% after straining my left calf pushing a woman's stalled car off the highway. Luckily, that tightness and ache passed after a few days and I was able to return to the steeper inclines again last week. I'll probably step up the incline to 2-2.5% for December since I don't have to rack up much mileage to reach my goal from the first of the year.

Keep up the good work all of you. Ceetar, remember, the hardest part is just getting started and maintaining a steady routine. Try to consistently get out there and run/walk at a pace that works for you. Then just slowly build on the foundation you establish as your body allows. Slow and steady is the main thing. If I can do it, I know you can too.


Upon edit: * = Replaced improper degrees regarding incline to the proper terminology of degrees. 1% incline equals approximately a 0.575 degree incline.

Ceetar
Dec 02 2011 06:54 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:

Keep up the good work all of you. Ceetar, remember, the hardest part is just getting started and maintaining a steady routine. Try to consistently get out there and run/walk at a pace that works for you. Then just slowly build on the foundation you establish as your body allows. Slow and steady is the main thing. If I can do it, I know you can too.



Yeah, that's basically my thing. I don't enjoy it, and there are so many distractions from my own laziness to going out to NYC to see the balloons being inflated for the Thanksgiving Day parade. Even most of my weekends are busy ones, so that I find it hard to force myself to find 2 hours to get to the gym and back and shower, or even just go out for a walk/run/job locally.

Goes the same with with dieting as well. In general I'm trying to maximize the periods where I'm motivated, and minimize the ones I'm not.

Fman99
Dec 02 2011 11:37 AM
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Taking a break to rest my aching foot. I have a podiatrist appoint on Wednesday, that will be 8 days since my last run this past Tuesday. I have all winter to get it right, no sense in pushing myself and making it worse.

But damn, it sucks to be laid up.

themetfairy
Dec 02 2011 01:37 PM
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I hope you're up and running again soon Fman!

Fman99
Dec 07 2011 07:53 PM
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Got some good news today from my newest podiatrist (my third one since 2005). My foot pain was due to a large callus, which he scraped out, and prescribed some topical creme for some other things he saw. He's a runner too and his "primary goal" was to get me back on the road.

My foot already feels better. A few days of this creme and I hope to be back out there running on Saturday (can't do it before then, the wife is out of town).

Very good news, I was dreading the prospect of months without running.

themetfairy
Dec 07 2011 09:35 PM
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Good news indeed!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 08 2011 07:59 AM
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I'm taking a week off myself, resting a low-level heel spur & achilles soreness that's been threatening to get worse for a while.

metsmarathon
Dec 08 2011 08:38 AM
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i'm also taking a week off. i'm spending way too many late late nights working to get my basement fixed, and i feel that running on such little rest is asking for hurting.

themetfairy
Dec 10 2011 06:03 PM
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D-Dad and I watched a game at Fenway for our first anniversary.

We'll be going back to Fenway for our next one -

Run to Home Base

Fman99
Dec 10 2011 06:14 PM
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Cool!

I ran today for the first time in nearly two weeks. Having the callus scraped off seemed to do the trick, did 5 miles at a fairly good clip (8:13 per mile) and my foot is no worse for wear tonight. Very encouraging.

My local running club is staging it's own half marathon that will start off my goal of running 12 of them in 2012. This one happens to be on my birthday, which is February 25th.

You read that right. A half marathon, along a lake, in February, in Syracuse. Should be a hoot.

I'll throw it out there right now, any CPF'er who wants to run this, you find your way north to Syracuse and I'll pay for your hotel room and hook you up the night before with a home cooked meal.

themetfairy
Dec 10 2011 08:11 PM
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Glad that you're up and running again Fman!

That's a sweet offer, but I'm going to pass. I'm planning on making the Country Music Half in Nashville in April my last half marathon; I'm just getting too worn out for the really long distances.

TransMonk
Dec 23 2011 07:38 AM
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16 degrees this morning. I got an icicle beard.

Fman99
Dec 23 2011 07:54 PM
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I've gone through quite a bit of tinkering with my podiatrist, he's cushioning my orthotics for now and once the calendar rolls to 2012 I will order a new pair (against my new deductible) that will correct the issue with my fucked up foot bones.

Still banging out a solid 15-20 miles per week. A little extra Advil and icing in the interim.

metsmarathon
Dec 23 2011 08:39 PM
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i ran 5 miles yesterday. it was beautiful out. i'd planned on doing a 3 mile run/walk, but as i was finishing up my first walkbreak, a budy of mine ran past, and we started chatting. i decided, since the pace was easy enough and the conversation good, to stick with him as he ran 5 miles. we maintained a consistent 9:45 pace, nicely conversational. my calf was pretty much fine throughout. a little sore afterwards, but today feels fine.

the nice easy pace was just what i needed i think.

not sure how much i'll get to run this weekend, but i'm hoping to have a decent final week of running for the year. maybe next year i can finally shake this fucking injury bug.

Fman99
Dec 29 2011 05:23 PM
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My birthday party half marathon is getting some local press. Up to 125 registrants with two months left to sign up.

My offer stands. I would love to lure one of you up to Syracuse to run this thing and meet all of my running club buddies. And run 13.1 in the snow, along a lake, in Syracuse, in February.

Fman99
Dec 31 2011 09:46 AM
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Put 59.4 miles on the odometer this month, despite not running at all the first nine days of December. Finished the year at 794.2 miles for 2011.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 31 2011 10:12 AM
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Finished with 797.5 for the Year. Mapped it out from my house gets me a few miles short of Savannah, GA

TransMonk
Dec 31 2011 11:10 AM
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Well, I woke up this morning and got myself ready for the 8K I needed to run today. I looked outside and saw that we got an ice storm last night that covered everything in slick black ice. But there was no way I was running today inside on a treadmill.

I ran (jogged/trotted) the 8K on my normal path, and while my heart rate did not climb terribly high, my core got a workout from the need to keep my balance with every step.

I finished December with 160 km run (99.4 miles) giving me 1000.4 miles for the year!

I'm exhausted and frankly sick of running. I'm not going to make myself run until after my vacation to Mexico on the first weekend of February. Maybe I'll feel like taking one, but I'm not going to schedule any.

You can read about my year on my Facebook page. I tagged some of you in the note because the runners on this forum and in this thread were a lot of my inspiration to take up running this year, set such a lofty goal, and then to stick to it. I truly want to thank everyone in the CPF running club.

It's one of the hardest things I've ever done...but I'm really glad that I did it.

metsmarathon
Dec 31 2011 01:02 PM
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and i finished hte year at 455 miles. i'm pretty sure this was my lowest total in over ten years. if not, it was at least my most frustrating and disappointing year of running in at least ten years.

lets hope 2012 has none of that shit.

Fman99
Dec 31 2011 01:04 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
Well, I woke up this morning and got myself ready for the 8K I needed to run today. I looked outside and saw that we got an ice storm last night that covered everything in slick black ice. But there was no way I was running today inside on a treadmill.

I ran (jogged/trotted) the 8K on my normal path, and while my heart rate did not climb terribly high, my core got a workout from the need to keep my balance with every step.

I finished December with 160 km run (99.4 miles) giving me 1000.4 miles for the year!

I'm exhausted and frankly sick of running. I'm not going to make myself run until after my vacation to Mexico on the first weekend of February. Maybe I'll feel like taking one, but I'm not going to schedule any.

You can read about my year on my Facebook page. I tagged some of you in the note because the runners on this forum and in this thread were a lot of my inspiration to take up running this year, set such a lofty goal, and then to stick to it. I truly want to thank everyone in the CPF running club.

It's one of the hardest things I've ever done...but I'm really glad that I did it.



Good for you TM! That is a shit ton of miles, very impressive.

themetfairy
Dec 31 2011 01:43 PM
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TransMonk wrote:


It's one of the hardest things I've ever done...but I'm really glad that I did it.


There is no kind of high like that kind of feeling of accomplishment - WTG TM!

Rockin' Doc
Dec 31 2011 03:19 PM
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Finished out my running year yesterday morning. I ran 12 times in December and logged a personal best of 81.75 miles for the month. I logged a total of 821.17 miles for the year, but am looking forward to cutting back some next year.

I logged 3 personal bests this month.
--On December 14th, I ran a personal best of 20:48 for the opening 5k of a 35 minute run that covered 5.22 miles on a 2% grade.
--On December 23rd, I logged my longest run when I covered 8.85 miles on a 3% grade in 60 minutes.
--On December 26th, I ran a personal best of 42:00 for the opening 10K of a 45 minute run that covered 6.66 miles on a 2.5% grade.

I accomplished far more than I ever expected I could and I wish to thank the other runners of the forum that helped to inspire and motivate me by sharing graciously sharing their experiences in this thread. I hope to devote the more time to weight lifting and training in 2012. As a result, I expect to reduce the amount of time I spend running (as there is only so much time in a day) while trying to maintain a steady 7:00 min./mile pace in 2012.

I wish each and everyone of you a safe and healthy New Year.

themetfairy
Dec 31 2011 03:25 PM
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And to you RD.

WTG on a great year of running!