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Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy MD Jan 05 2011 06:18 AM

Now we start biting into the main course, as Expectations for Eleven looks at the formerrly highest paid of Mets. Until that Santana guy came along. Pos: OF Born: 4/24/77 in Maniti, Puerto Rico Acquired: Signed a seven-year, $119 million contract in January of 2005. 2010 Stats: G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BB-R WAR FG WAR 64 255 220 21 56 11 3 7 27 3 1 30 39 .255 .341 .427 .768 109 94 4 1 0 4 5 1.5 0.9 Last Word: Carlos, seen here whilst giving 20,000 pounds of food to hungry New Yorkers this Christmastime, has hinted that he's willing to move to right field though nobody has garnered the courage to ask him. Talk is of the trading block and he's said to heard nothing of that either. He likes how his knee fieels but is realistic about the reality that it might night feel so good tomorrow. What do you expect of Carlos Beltran in 2011?

Ceetar Jan 05 2011 06:55 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I expect a good year out of him. It's a 'contract year' he's gotta be itching to play a full season. He's in a pretty good lineup. His knee is healthier than it was last year and he'd started to hit the ball around. He's grown used to the brace, where it probably feels a little more natural to be wearing it. (He routinely wore a knee brace anyway didn't he? so it can't be _that_ bad) I'm hoping the new manager actively works with him, and they work in the rest where needed. 140-145 games. I think he'll hit over .300, with around a .360 OBP. 34 HR, 120 RBI, 12 SB while playing his typical great CF.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 05 2011 07:02 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I think he'll end up in center field instead of right. By mid July, he'll have 12 to 15 homers and he'll be hitting around .280, and he'll be traded for three young players, one of whom will be a top-rated prospect.

TransMonk Jan 05 2011 07:14 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

His contract year will rival 2006 as his best in New York. He won't hit 40 HRs, but he'll bat better than .275. Reyes, Beltran, Bay and Wright in the same lineup will give other teams more nightmares than expected and keep us in more games than expected...even against the Phillies. I'll be sad to see him traded in July, but it will be a good thing for the Mets in the long run.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2011 07:23 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Ceetar wrote: I expect a good year out of him. It's a 'contract year' he's gotta be itching to play a full season. He's in a pretty good lineup. His knee is healthier than it was last year and he'd started to hit the ball around. He's grown used to the brace, where it probably feels a little more natural to be wearing it. (He routinely wore a knee brace anyway didn't he? so it can't be _that_ bad) I'm hoping the new manager actively works with him, and they work in the rest where needed. 140-145 games. I think he'll hit over .300, with around a .360 OBP. 34 HR, 120 RBI, 12 SB while playing his typical great CF. That is one optimistic Mets fan. TransMonk wrote: His contract year will rival 2006 as his best in New York. He won't hit 40 HRs, but he'll bat better than .275. Reyes, Beltran, Bay and Wright in the same lineup will give other teams more nightmares than expected and keep us in more games than expected...even against the Phillies. I'll be sad to see him traded in July, but it will be a good thing for the Mets in the long run. If all those guys are producing and we're still dealing Beltran at the deadline, I shudder to think how bad our pitching must look in your head.

TransMonk Jan 05 2011 07:57 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: If all those guys are producing and we're still dealing Beltran at the deadline, I shudder to think how bad our pitching must look in your head. I'd like to be optimistic, but without Santana it just won't be enough.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2011 09:12 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I want to be optimistic, too. Plus, there's a little sartorial self-interest involved (he's a prominent member of the LWFS jersey family, and I'd rather not have to shunt those to the back of the closet with Mikey until he makes the Met HoF). But, yeah, anything above a 20-25 HR-, 15 steal- and a .280*/.360*/.470 triple-slash**-projection would seem to be approaching fantasyland borders. I think those are attainable, and I think he puts up about half of them wearing the uniform of Queens. *Bump up or down 10 points as BABIP dictates. **Still fun!

G-Fafif Jan 05 2011 10:31 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

The spirit will be willing, the body might come along, the steals probably won't reach double-digits.

Vic Sage Jan 05 2011 10:34 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

.280/20hr - will stay in CF til traded in July.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 10:38 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I want to be optimistic, too. Plus, there's a little sartorial self-interest involved (he's a prominent member of the LWFS jersey family, and I'd rather not have to shunt those to the back of the closet with Mikey until he makes the Met HoF). But, yeah, anything above a 20-25 HR-, 15 steal- and a .280*/.360*/.470 triple-slash**-projection would seem to be approaching fantasyland borders. I think those are attainable, and I think he puts up about half of them wearing the uniform of Queens. *Bump up or down 10 points as BABIP dictates. **Still fun! I'm in the minority on this one, but I like my Mets jerseys even more so after the player I'm wearing leaves the Mets. I think Beltran'll be glad to get the hell away from this stupid furshlugginer stadium the Wilpons signed off on. I know that I would if I had 30+ HR power in a neutral stadium. His injuries might be detracting from talk that he's another CF casualty. Unless it's the injuries. And the not so significant sample size.

G-Fafif Jan 05 2011 10:43 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think Beltran'll be glad to get the hell away from this stupid furshlugginer stadium the Wilpons signed off on. The Lighter Side of Carlos Beltran by Dave Berg.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 10:49 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Veeblefetzer!

Gwreck Jan 05 2011 10:57 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

It's not just the new park. Beltran had a pronounced home/road split in homers when he played in Shea, too: 46 Home and 71 Road from 05-08.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 11:07 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 05 2011 11:10 AM

Gwreck wrote: It's not just the new park. Beltran had a pronounced home/road split in homers when he played in Shea, too: 46 Home and 71 Road from 05-08. One can reasonably assume that if CF existed five years ago, Beltran's 2005-08 home road splits for HR's would be skewed even more. Shea has nothing to do with this. Your data is consistent with what was common knowledge: that Shea was not a HR hitter's park. Neither is CF.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 05 2011 11:10 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

His knees are shot, he's probably off the juice, and I don't have any fantasies of his being healthy, as productive as he used to be, or worth much on the trade market.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 11:11 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: His knees are shot, he's probably off the juice, and I don't have any fantasies of his being healthy, as productive as he used to be, or worth much on the trade market. That, too.

attgig Jan 05 2011 11:20 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

he'll be a starting outfielder for the all star game. he'll hit just south of .300, with 15 home runs, and 58 rbi's. He'll have about 3 steals/3cs, while playing good, but not great CF - losing the speed he once had, but taking great routes to the balls to make up for it. Come trading deadline, we'll see him get traded along with Krod to anyone who'll give us a top middle infield prospect. the rest of his season numbers will be moot at that point, but he'll get into the post season, and once again hit 8 homeruns in the LCS leading to another huge payday.

Gwreck Jan 05 2011 11:32 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Shea has nothing to do with this. Your data is consistent with what was common knowledge: that Shea was not a HR hitter's park. Yeah, it was more of a counterpoint to your gratuitous shot at the Wilpons :) and the idea that he's a "Citi Field" casualty (emphasis added).

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 11:38 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

What was so gratuitous about my Wilpons remark? Joan Payson didn't design CF.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2011 12:14 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

"Extraneous" might be more to the quick. With all due respect, it's a thread about what we think will happen for Beltran in the coming season, not "How Much Sense Does a Robinson Rotunda Make," Part III. That said... god DAMN, do I want to see Beltran being all ultrastellar again, if only for another half-season.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 12:25 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "Extraneous" might be more to the quick. With all due respect, it's a thread about what we think will happen for Beltran in the coming season, not "How Much Sense Does a Robinson Rotunda Make," Part III. That said... god DAMN, do I want to see Beltran being all ultrastellar again, if only for another half-season. I think Beltran's HR totals will be 27% less than what he would hit in an alternate universe where everything is as is except that the Mets play their home games at Shea Stadium. And the JR Rotunda didn't even cross my mind when I calculated my furshlugginer factor for ecch CF.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2011 01:03 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And the JR Rotunda didn't even cross my mind when I calculated my furshlugginer factor for ecch CF. You didn't take Misplaced Dodger Loyalty Gravitational Displacement into account? Bullspit.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2011 01:11 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: And the JR Rotunda didn't even cross my mind when I calculated my furshlugginer factor for ecch CF. You didn't take Misplaced Dodger Loyalty Gravitational Displacement into account? Bullspit. I can riff on the JR Rotunda but in this thread, I limited my consideration of CF strictly to its moronic playing dimensions. Did you know that it was the Wilpons who ultimately signed off on the CF field dimensions?

Edgy MD Jan 07 2011 08:40 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

.266 --- 24 HR --- 89 RBI --- 9 SB --- RF, primarily.

Centerfield Jan 07 2011 09:12 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

How much of a wild card is Beltran? He could be injured and miss the whole season, he could play the whole season and hit .260 with single-digit HR's, or he could win the NL MVP. I guess this is true of all ballplayers, but if Beltran did any of these it would only be mildly surprising.

Edgy MD Jan 07 2011 09:17 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Yeah, he seems like the big key to this season. If all goes right with him, they need only one or two other breaks to be in Schaefer City. If all goes wrong, they need only one or two other breaks to be deep in last. And it's hard to guage what is most likely.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 10 2011 10:44 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I'm hoping for the best from Beltran. The little boy Mets fan inside of me tells me that Carlos could belt 40 HR's in 2011 just because he did that before. But if baseball records were actuarial tables, I'd say that Beltran's days of putting up all-star numbers are over and done with.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 02 2011 07:46 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

The Angels Weren’t Positive Carlos Beltran Could Play Center Field, Either Is Carlos Beltran still a center fielder? That's a question the Mets will try and find out during spring training. Even Terry Collins has said that Beltran will have to prove he can still play the position, and that he'll be given the chance to play there during the Grapefruit League schedule to give the team a chance to evaluate his mobility. Of course, part of the reason Beltran's position is unclear is that Angel Pagan is poised to take the center field job, shifting Beltran to right. Still, the question of whether Beltran, a three-time Gold Glove winner, can still play in center is a real one. It's also a concern shared by at least one potential trade partner — or, more accurately, a former potential trade partner, as Joel Sherman reports today that the Mets and Angels had discussions about Beltran. Now, it's possible that these discussions weren't very serious — or that a reasonable trade simply couldn't be worked out. But, according to Sherman, the Angels (a team that's said they were willing to increase their payroll to add offense) ultimately decided that Vernon Wells — even with the huge financial commitment associated with employing Wells for the next four years — was a better move. Their reasons, according to Sherman? Just as you'd expect: concerns over Beltran's health, and, yes, doubts whether he can still play center field. http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/02/t ... e_car.html

Gwreck Feb 02 2011 09:09 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Conspicuously absent from that article: that Vernon Wells is also a well-below-average centerfielder. I suppose his CF expiration date may be a year or two past Carlos' but it's not a huge difference.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2011 09:41 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

The Angels also thought Torii Hunter was an elite centerfielder (and paid him as such)... and they traded for Vernon Wells without getting money kicked back their way, so I'm not so sure their valuation system is one I'd trust.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 02 2011 09:55 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

If you didn’t think the Angels were crazy enough The Angels trading for Vernon Wells and his contract was a serious case of Bad Ideas Jeans. But even worse is that they turned down something way better. Joel Sherman at the Post reports: " The way I hear it the Mets and Angels did actually discuss Beltran. But the Angels ultimately saw Wells as the better choice despite the much larger financial investment. The Angels liked that there were no doubts about Wells’ health as compared to Beltran, whose knees are a serious wonder. And despite the sense that Wells’ defensive game has regressed some, the Angels believed that he was definitely capable of playing center field. They did not believe that about Beltran". (1) The Angels have a potential gold glove center fielder already and if he doesn’t hit enough to stick, they still have Torii Hunter who can pass in center, I’m sure; (2) If Carlos Beltran doesn’t out-produce Vernon Wells this year I’ll eat my hat. There. I said it. I don’t think the Angels understand that players are not just players. They are contracts and assets too, and unless the budget is unlimited — and the Angels are limited — a bad contract like Wells’ hurts the team. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... zy-enough/

Lefty Specialist Feb 03 2011 03:57 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

He'll have decent but not great numbers and be traded at the deadline for some minor leaguers who don't look good on the surface but actually perform well down the road.

Edgy MD Feb 03 2011 06:04 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Not to make too much of it, but Beltran enters the season with 5&10 protection, doesn't he?

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2011 06:14 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: Not to make too much of it, but Beltran enters the season with 5&10 protection, doesn't he? Yes, plus his contract gave him full no-trade protection even before he reached the 10/5 threshold a year ago.

TheOldMole Feb 03 2011 07:41 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Right field, 30 home runs.

attgig Feb 03 2011 08:11 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

yeah, but we'll be out of the race, and he'll be getting traded to a club who needs/wants his services for a push to the playoffs. i'd say he accepts, unless it's a club with a longshot.

Vic Sage Feb 03 2011 08:39 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Did i mention that, right before the trading deadline, he blows out his knee?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2011 09:31 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Thanks as always for the sunshine, Cassandra.

Vic Sage Feb 03 2011 09:48 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Lefty Specialist Feb 03 2011 11:14 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Carlos may have a NTC, but I'm sure he'd waive it to be traded to a contender (assuming the Mets don't fit that definition).

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2011 11:18 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

He might. The point is that it makes a deal harder and more complicated.

Gwreck Feb 28 2011 08:27 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Adam Rubin expects Beltran to announce today that he will be playing right field.

Ceetar Feb 28 2011 08:29 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Gwreck wrote: Adam Rubin expects Beltran to announce today that he will be playing right field. supposedly initiated and suggested by Beltran himself. how selfish of him.

Mets Guy in Michigan Feb 28 2011 09:12 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Good for Carlos, good for Pagan -- and good for the Mets!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 28 2011 09:45 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Sure ideal for the Mets, where right field has been a sinkhole pretty much since Strawberry left town.

TransMonk Feb 28 2011 09:49 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Not for nothing, but I'll be a lot happier about our outfield situation when the words "Beltran" and "hobbled" stop appearing in articles together.

metirish Feb 28 2011 09:56 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Fair fucks to him.... "I want to play right," Beltran said. "I think it’s best for the team. It’s going to be best for me also, best for my knee."

Ceetar Feb 28 2011 09:56 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

TransMonk wrote: Not for nothing, but I'll be a lot happier about our outfield situation when the words "Beltran" and "hobbled" stop appearing in articles together. That'd be nice. I don't expect it though. He might not actually _be_ hobbled, but the articles will still mention that everytime he flubs something,takes a day off, or plays DH in Interleague/World Series.

TransMonk Feb 28 2011 10:08 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Ceetar wrote: He might not actually _be_ hobbled, but the articles will still mention that everytime he flubs something,takes a day off, or plays DH in Interleague/World Series. I'm okay with that part...I'm worried about him not being able to play at all.

Edgy MD Feb 28 2011 10:27 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

TransMonk wrote: Not for nothing, but I'll be a lot happier about our outfield situation when the words "Beltran" and "hobbled" stop appearing in articles together. Yeah, it's good that he's not going to waste time kidding himself that he's still the best centerfielder on the team. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's not kidding himself.

Ceetar Feb 28 2011 10:33 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

TransMonk wrote: Ceetar wrote: He might not actually _be_ hobbled, but the articles will still mention that everytime he flubs something,takes a day off, or plays DH in Interleague/World Series. I'm okay with that part...I'm worried about him not being able to play at all. Yeah. I don't like that he hasn't actually played the field or DHd yet. Not that I necessarily want him running around in mroe practice games than he needs either.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 28 2011 10:43 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

TransMonk wrote: Not for nothing, but I'll be a lot happier about our outfield situation when the words "Beltran" and "hobbled" stop appearing in articles together. What would really be nice would be for F-Mart to finally start playing up to his potential and creating a logjam in the outfield. I can't remember the last time the Mets had a good problem.

G-Fafif Feb 28 2011 01:26 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I expect he's our new right fielder -- 'cause he is. Carlos Beltran approached Terry Collins early Monday morning upon arriving at the New York Mets' spring-training complex and told his manager: "I need to talk to you." Beltran then informed his manager he wanted to initiate the long-debated move from center field to right field. "I came today thinking in my heart, 'I still think I can play center field,' " Beltran said. "But, at the same time, this is not about Carlos. This is about team." At 8:20 a.m., Angel Pagan was summoned into the manager's office with Beltran and Collins for a five-minute meeting. Pagan, who capably played center field in Beltran's absence during the first half of last season as Beltran recovered from Jan. 13, 2010 arthroscopic knee surgery, then was informed he would be playing center field with Beltran in right field, rather than the opposite alignment. Beltran said the preemptive move avoids a last-minute switch on the eve of the season and prevents weeks of media discussion about the potential move in between. "In order for me to play center field, I need more time," Beltran said. "I want to be on the same page with everyone here. I want Terry to have his time and to come to the ballpark ready to play the lineup without thinking where he is going to play Pagan, where he's going to play me. At the same time I'm thinking about Pagan coming to the ballpark and preparing himself and focused to play baseball. I don't want to create any distractions here. Like I said, I want to play right. I think it's best for the team. I think it's going to be best for me also, best for my knee. It's going to be less active than playing center field." If he feels he can't play it, then this is the right (no pun) move. But it saddens me nonetheless. Lion in winter and all that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 01 2011 12:16 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

FWiW, as per the qualifier-spouting Ted Berg and others, Senor Clubhouse Cancer is turning white almost-spheres into screaming white-and-red ovoids with meteor tails. But about the batting practice: Beltran is crushing the ball. Again, I’m not a scout or a coach or any sort of professional talent evaluator, but I can count, and it wasn’t hard to see how many more home runs Beltran was hitting than the rest of the lot — a group that included Pagan, Jason Bay and Scott Hairston, and later Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans. I only saw Beltran batting right-handed today — I’m not sure if he hit lefty before I got there or took the day off from that side. At one point, Beltran hit four out of five pitches out of park in one turn. His homers battered the scoreboard here at Digital Domain Park multiple times. He looked great. Of course, it’s only batting practice in Spring Training, so it doesn’t count twice over. As for running the bases: Beltran didn’t look overwhelmingly Beltran-ish. He clearly was not going all-out, though, and there was no noticeable limp or anything. For the millionth time, I’m not really qualified to make these evaluations; he wasn’t running as fast as Hairston or Pagan, that I can promise.

G-Fafif Mar 06 2011 11:29 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Doug Glanville on what new RF Carlos Beltran might expect. So Beltran has to be careful. He will feel like a caged beast, now knowing that right field is his position, that this may not be a temporary New York Met state of mind while he gets healthy. He will feel like everything is too close to him, that he should overrule the misguided positioning of someone with less experience as the captain. I played a lot of corner outfield as I faded away from the game. I made a point to always be in position before the center fielder even thought to move me, sometimes helping young guns like Marlon Byrd with some tricks. No matter what you do, there will always come a day when you know that you have lost a step. You will deny it, you will fight it, but objective evaluators will know right away. As my mentor and legendary Phillies center fielder Garry Maddox told me: "I knew I was done when a ball was hit in the gap, and everything in my soul told me to do what I do best -- react, sprint to the landing spot, cut it off at the gap. The only problem was my body hadn't moved." Beltran isn't there yet, but he knows this is Step 1 of the 10-step program that pushes you out of the game, and like any good center fielder, he will not accept it lying down.

Edgy MD Mar 06 2011 11:46 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Good article, but I feel like this is more like step five. He could have a nice little second career on the corner like Andre Dawson, but it's been the better part of two years lost here, and he's relying on the success of a hit-and-miss procedure.

Ashie62 Mar 07 2011 10:42 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Beltran will miss today due to soreness in knee per McCullough of Star Ledger.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 07 2011 10:47 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Ashie62 wrote: Beltran will miss today due to soreness in knee per McCullough of Star Ledger. Let the Lucas Duda Era begin.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 07 2011 02:59 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

"Sore in a good way," as per David Lennon. Merely precautionary, he asserts. So, yeah, should I get my Duda jerz in gray or white?

Ceetar Mar 07 2011 05:11 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "Sore in a good way," as per David Lennon. Merely precautionary, he asserts. So, yeah, should I get my Duda jerz in gray or white? Shouldn't you wait to see which team he's traded to first?

G-Fafif Mar 07 2011 06:39 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "Sore in a good way," as per David Lennon. That's what she said. #opennet

Edgy MD Mar 08 2011 08:05 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

A second straight day of good soreness has Carlos on the bench today.

TransMonk Mar 08 2011 08:12 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Bad news...I don't think we'll be able to count on Carlos for anything this season.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 08:12 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Maybe I missed something. Why was Beltran able to play regularly during the last half of the 2010 season, but now, even further removed from his surgery, he's so much more frail?

bmfc1 Mar 08 2011 08:17 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Are they being coy with us? If he's still hurt, then tell us. We heard how great he felt after Sunday and that he wanted to play two days in a row, then yesterday he was "a little sore" so he didn't play, and now he's out of both lineups today. If this was the previous regime, he'd be in surgery tomorrow.

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 08:21 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Maybe I missed something. Why was Beltran able to play regularly during the last half of the 2010 season, but now, even further removed from his surgery, he's so much more frail? No, you didn't miss anything. I'm confused as well. And i'm also confused because they said his bone bruises were better at the end of last season (not healed better, but less than it was in June). Supposedly he did a lot of working out trying to strengthen the muscles around the knee and try to ease the pressure. But not a ton of running, so maybe it's just that he's sore from getting back to running and because it's March 8th they'll give him extra days of rest (simulated game today sounds like). It's probably wise not to put undue pressure on the knee in practice if they can avoid it. It's still early, and he's swinging and working out, not like he's laid up. I think once we start crossing over the 3 weeks to go mark (Fridayish) is when we really need to see him either in the game every day, or at least playing the outfield. As far as the saeson goes? I'm hope this is just extra precaution, but I imagine he's gonna have to take days off here and there fairly frequently. And I think we'll see a little more of a 'slugger' look to him in his approach.

MFS62 Mar 08 2011 08:28 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Re "good soreness". Sometimes, after surgery, the person can feel the adhesions breaking. That is good. It frees up the area to act normally. I'm not sure if this should have occurred before now, but if that is what he feels, its ok. It it is anything else, it means that he still feels the rubbing of bone-on-bone, and that pain will be with him forever. That's not ok. Later

TransMonk Mar 08 2011 08:30 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I hope you are right (Ceetar). If the Mets are going to win more games than they lose this year, Beltran is one of many pieces that needs to fit into the puzzle squarely. Hearing that he has to take two days off after playing one game in early March is very discouraging.

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 08:32 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

MFS62 wrote: Re "good soreness". Sometimes, after surgery, the person can feel the adhesions breaking. That is good. It frees up the area to act normally. I'm not sure if this should have occurred before now, but if that is what he feels, its ok. It it is anything else, it means that he still feels the rubbing of bone-on-bone, and that pain will be with him forever. That's not ok. Later Well, we're not really in 'after surgery' stage here. At this point I'd hope he knows the difference between the pain of the bone-on-bone that's plagued him, and just normal soreness from running. Makes me nervous, but i'm hoping everyone's just being overly cautious.

Ashie62 Mar 08 2011 08:34 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Safe to say Carlos is a bit behind as of 3/8/2011.

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 08:44 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

TransMonk wrote: I hope you are right (Ceetar). If the Mets are going to win more games than they lose this year, Beltran is one of many pieces that needs to fit into the puzzle squarely. Hearing that he has to take two days off after playing one game in early March is very discouraging. Indeed. Although I do think Hairston's going to be servicable and that there is a chance someone like Duda or Martinez or one of our other OF prospects that we seem to have a handful of could contribute positively. really i'm just saddened. Beltran is (was?) a great player and the looming issue seems to be that he might not play baseball again.

Centerfield Mar 08 2011 08:56 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Beltran's situation, though unfortunate, is not surprising. He was a candidate for micro-fracture surgery. He elected not to get it. That move seems pretty foolish now. Had he elected to do it two years ago, it's possible he would have a clean bill of health at this point. Sure, it's risky, but at least there's a chance he'd be better. As of now, he still has the bone-on-bone contact that created the bone bruise. The only way to heal that, other than the surgery, is with rest. Unfortunately, once you stop resting, and start running again, the bone bruise returns. It's been over a year since his last surgery. He is not getting better. He needs two days off after DH-ing half a game. This does not bode well for the season.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 09:02 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I agree. The Mets need to get a fallback plan in place, one that doesn't involve making a regular starter out of Harris or Hairston.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 09:26 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Adam Rubin wrote: Collins remained optimistic Beltran would open the season with the team. Otherwise, the Mets could use Scott Hairston and Willie Harris in right field and place on-the-bubble Nick Evans on the 25-man roster, or use the farm system and have Fernando Martinez or Lucas Duda start in right field.

Ashie62 Mar 08 2011 09:27 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree. The Mets need to get a fallback plan in place, one that doesn't involve making a regular starter out of Harris or Hairston. Sack up FMart.

TransMonk Mar 08 2011 09:30 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 09:32 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I still haven't experienced the joys of Twitter, so pardon my ignorance. What does #notgood mean? Is that some kind of a tag for people who search for things that are not good?

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 09:32 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

TransMonk wrote: As Patrick Flood points out, this is common when you're overcompensating and it's the same thing he felt last year. He sat out Saturday 9/11 for it and then played 9/12 and every day going forward. (and then again felt swelling or whatever 3 weeks later, which was also reported to be minor) This probably doesn't change anything about what we expect from Beltran this season. Regular rest.

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 09:33 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I still haven't experienced the joys of Twitter, so pardon my ignorance. What does #notgood mean? Is that some kind of a tag for people who search for things that are not good? It doesn't mean anything in this case. Generally things with hashtags are easily searchable and trending topics. So many posts I make have #mets (and this hashtag shows up in the MLB At Bat App Twitter stuff... or will anyway) It's like a keyword of the tweet.

Edgy MD Mar 08 2011 09:36 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

This is kharmic payback. Left knee tendonitis was what the Mets (supposedly) made up to disable Oliver Perez and farm him out for a rehab assignment. This is fate saying, "You think left knee tendonitis is a joke? You think it's something to be played with?"

metirish Mar 08 2011 09:42 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Ceetar wrote: TransMonk wrote: As Patrick Flood points out, this is common when you're overcompensating and it's the same thing he felt last year. He sat out Saturday 9/11 for it and then played 9/12 and every day going forward. (and then again felt swelling or whatever 3 weeks later, which was also reported to be minor) This probably doesn't change anything about what we expect from Beltran this season. Regular rest. You mean Dr. Patrick Flood?

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 09:44 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: This is kharmic payback. Left knee tendonitis was what the Mets (supposedly) made up to disable Oliver Perez and farm him out for a rehab assignment. This is fate saying, "You think left knee tendonitis is a joke? You think it's something to be played with?" That was patella tendinitis wasn't it? and they didn't make it up since MLB actually investigated the reports and confirmed them. And it's also supposedly what Chase Utley has.

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 09:47 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

metirish wrote: Ceetar wrote: TransMonk wrote: As Patrick Flood points out, this is common when you're overcompensating and it's the same thing he felt last year. He sat out Saturday 9/11 for it and then played 9/12 and every day going forward. (and then again felt swelling or whatever 3 weeks later, which was also reported to be minor) This probably doesn't change anything about what we expect from Beltran this season. Regular rest. You mean Dr. Patrick Flood? As opposed to Dr. Burkhardt? [url]http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2010/09/knee_tendinitis_keeps_outfield.html

Edgy MD Mar 08 2011 11:08 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: This is kharmic payback. Left knee tendonitis was what the Mets (supposedly) made up to disable Oliver Perez and farm him out for a rehab assignment. This is fate saying, "You think left knee tendonitis is a joke? You think it's something to be played with?" That was patella tendinitis wasn't it? and they didn't make it up since MLB actually investigated the reports and confirmed them. And it's also supposedly what Chase Utley has. I did say "supposedly." It was a jokey post. The patella is part of the knee.

soupcan Mar 08 2011 11:24 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Between this crap and Madoff/Reyes bullshit, this season is going to suck extremely large eggs. 'Can't fucking wait for Openeing Day!' He said, sarcastically.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 11:31 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Well, look at it this way: With low expectations, any surprise we get is more likely to be a pleasant one.

soupcan Mar 08 2011 11:40 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I hear you but I'm having difficulty finding a scenario where Jose Reyes is a Met next season. That is what is really tightening my colon.

Edgy MD Mar 08 2011 11:44 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

He wasn't a Met for much of the last two seasons. A lot of things will come to pass before 2012. It's hard to see all the angles.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 11:52 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

soupcan wrote: I hear you but I'm having difficulty finding a scenario where Jose Reyes is a Met next season. That is what is really tightening my colon. I'm with you on that. I'd hate to see him leave, and that is looking like the more likely outcome.

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 12:00 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: This is kharmic payback. Left knee tendonitis was what the Mets (supposedly) made up to disable Oliver Perez and farm him out for a rehab assignment. This is fate saying, "You think left knee tendonitis is a joke? You think it's something to be played with?" That was patella tendinitis wasn't it? and they didn't make it up since MLB actually investigated the reports and confirmed them. And it's also supposedly what Chase Utley has. I did say "supposedly." It was a jokey post. The patella is part of the knee. Sorry, a bit in a non-jokey mood this morn. if we're talking Karma though, I'd have to think we have a lot coming in the + column..

Ashie62 Mar 08 2011 01:22 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm wrote: soupcan wrote: I hear you but I'm having difficulty finding a scenario where Jose Reyes is a Met next season. That is what is really tightening my colon. I'm with you on that. I'd hate to see him leave, and that is looking like the more likely outcome. There may be more than a few Mets leaving. Please stay David, please!

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 01:35 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Here is a statement from Carlos Beltran: I felt a little discomfort in my left knee last week. I spoke to the doctors today. They advised me to just give it a rest for a couple of days. I can hit and do everything, but back off the running part of it. I feel fine. I think I just overcompensated from all the work I did on the other knee and I just need to give it a little break.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2011 01:44 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Who told him to run with only one knee? Mackey Shillstone?

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 01:49 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Who told him to run with only one knee? Mackey Shillstone? Jerry Manuel? _Charlie_ Manuel? Timo Perez?

G-Fafif Mar 08 2011 01:57 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Here is another statement from Carlos Beltran: Help! I am being held prisoner in a fortune cookie factory!

Ceetar Mar 08 2011 02:01 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

G-Fafif wrote: Here is another statement from Carlos Beltran: Help! I am being held prisoner in a fortune cookie factory! I think I'd eat more fortune cookies if instead of lame fortunes we got baseball stats. the new baseball card?

G-Fafif Mar 08 2011 02:17 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Dr. Burkhardt sounds pessimistic.

metirish Mar 08 2011 02:18 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

G-Fafif wrote: Dr. Burkhardt sounds pessimistic. Is he in consultation with Dr. Flood?

G-Fafif Mar 08 2011 02:22 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

metirish wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Dr. Burkhardt sounds pessimistic. Is he in consultation with Dr. Flood? It's on one those multi-doctor practices.

El Segundo Escupidor Mar 09 2011 03:18 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 09 2011 05:18 AM

Meanwhile, as we speak, Sherman's busily preparing a nice piece entitled "How Omar's gamble failed". The article begins with a fleeting reference to the Madoff scandal: "Back before revelations of Madoff's machinations were known....." The first paragraph then recounts the optimism generated by the 2005 offseason, the acquisition of Pedro and how it "made the Mets relevant again." The article goes on to chronicle how the Yankees were in "dire need" of a center-fielder at the time, and that Beltran was prepared to "don the Pinstripes for less money", but "cooler heads prevailed in the Bronx". There may also be some anecdote about Beltran and Jeter thrown in at this point. Then there is some discussion about Beltran's collision with Cameron that resulted from "bad karma" after the Mets "bullied" Cameron into playing RF. An attempt to draw some irony with Beltran's move to RF this Spring Training is inserted here. Finally, the article wraps-up by saying that Beltran will always be remembered for striking out looking to Adam Wainwright, while concluding "...and thanks to the Wilpons association with Mr Madoff, the Mets won't be able to assume another contract of that magnitude again in the foreseeable future."

Edgy MD Mar 09 2011 05:16 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

You could program a Joel Sherman Column Generator and put him out of business with that shit.

metirish Mar 09 2011 07:08 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

The Second Spitter wrote: Meanwhile, as we speak, Sherman's busily preparing a nice piece entitled "How Omar's gamble failed". The article begins with a fleeting reference to the Madoff scandal: "Back before revelations of Madoff's machinations were known....." The first paragraph then recounts the optimism generated by the 2005 offseason, the acquisition of Pedro and how it "made the Mets relevant again." The article goes on to chronicle how the Yankees were in "dire need" of a center-fielder at the time, and that Beltran was prepared to "don the Pinstripes for less money", but "cooler heads prevailed in the Bronx". There may also be some anecdote about Beltran and Jeter thrown in at this point. Then there is some discussion about Beltran's collision with Cameron that resulted from "bad karma" after the Mets "bullied" Cameron into playing RF. An attempt to draw some irony with Beltran's move to RF this Spring Training is inserted here. Finally, the article wraps-up by saying that Beltran will always be remembered for striking out looking to Adam Wainwright, while concluding "...and thanks to the Wilpons association with Mr Madoff, the Mets won't be able to assume another contract of that magnitude again in the foreseeable future." Can you provide this service on a daily basis?

Ceetar Mar 09 2011 07:38 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

He went with "Phillies Championship Pedigre" this time actually. Sherman wrote: Normally laid back, Beltran responded with a terse, “I don’t know, brother,” when asked if he was concerned this is his life in 2011, starts and stops due to his knees. A follow-up on the topic elicited another curt response: “Nothing I can do about it.” That describes a lot of Mets issues, such as the health of Beltran and Santana. There is not much to do but wait and hope time and rehab work, and that this is not a completely lost season for both. The Mets can do something about the Perez pantomime theater. They have real issues to address, real decisions to make, and Cleon Jones has a better chance of helping the 2011 Mets than Perez. The money already is wasted, the Mets should stop wasting their time, attention and energies to put on a show. Look, we all knew heading into spring the Mets were fragile. Opposed to say the Phillies, who are dealing with injuries to Chase Utley and Domonic Brown, the Mets do not have four aces and a championship pedigree to fall back upon. Their lone ace is hurt. Their confidence is shabby. They need fewer bad days. Read more (you're better off not): http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/hop ... z1G754j3mZ

Edgy MD Mar 09 2011 07:43 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Serious unlinkworthy douchemongery from John Harper as well.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 16 2011 11:52 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Yay! Baseball activities!

Ashie62 Mar 16 2011 12:54 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I must be behind. I thought he would be in the lineup Monday. Beltran is looking like he may spend April in PSL.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 17 2011 11:13 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

No lefty swinging yesterday, as it turns out. Also... Carlos Beltran had never heard of the Bill Murray movie "Groundhog Day." But when it was briefly explained to him that the main character wakes up daily and relives the same day, Beltran could identify. Never watched? That still leaves a gaping hole in your cultural knowledge, as far as I'm concerned. But "never heard of"? Buddy, if ANYONE on this team needs a little Bill Murray...

Ashie62 Mar 18 2011 12:27 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Per a tweet from Anthony DiComo.. Beltran got a cortisone shot in his left knee today.

soupcan Mar 18 2011 12:49 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Ashie62 wrote: Beltran got a cortisone shot in his left knee today. Oh, joy.

Frayed Knot Mar 18 2011 12:51 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

The Mets should just announce it on days when Beltran doesn't get a shot for his knee.

Frayed Knot Mar 25 2011 07:54 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

The word is that they're still aiming for the OD roster. The plan at this point is to get him more ABs plus some OF time in the next few days but, at least for now, to do it in minor league games so if/when he needs to go on the DL it can be back-dated as far as they want and keep alive the option of activating him prior to 15 days into the season.

Ceetar Mar 25 2011 08:01 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Frayed Knot wrote: The word is that they're still aiming for the OD roster. The plan at this point is to get him more ABs plus some OF time in the next few days but, at least for now, to do it in minor league games so if/when he needs to go on the DL it can be back-dated as far as they want and keep alive the option of activating him prior to 15 days into the season. He supposedly did good yesterday, and it's already 10 day and I haven't heard anything zany about him not playing or his knee falling off. He's supposed to play in a minor league game today, but I thought that was this morning. It sounds like they have a plan (imagine that?) and if he does all the steps he'll start OD. If not, DL. Personally, I don't see a scenario that he won't be ready Opening day but WILL be ready 4 days later that it's a big deal to retroactively DL him (i think it's 10 days of Spring that count or whatever right? like Reyes last year.)

Edgy MD Mar 25 2011 08:06 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

It's important to remember that jump starting Reyes without proper spring training prep work was an unmitigated disaster last year and remained so for the first five-six weeks of the season.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 25 2011 09:14 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Nothing against him, but jeez I'll be happy when we no longer have to worry about this guy.

metirish Mar 28 2011 09:35 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Beltran will play tomorrow and break camp with team says Collins via Rubin.

Ceetar Mar 28 2011 09:41 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: It's important to remember that jump starting Reyes without proper spring training prep work was an unmitigated disaster last year and remained so for the first five-six weeks of the season. There's a slight difference in that Reyes was basically laying on the couch immobile. And still managed to end up with stats near the top of the SS list. I think a closer comparison is Beltran himself, although they gave him the full 30 days (and four days off at the end?) of rehab work, they babied him and it wasn't like he was playing in 30 spring training games before he was activated last year. At least in this case he's been swinging and seeing live pitching, even if it was of a lesser quality than maybe he would've in the grapfruit league, but on the competitive balance, _no one_'s been playing major league games either. I think the slowest thing to come along is his defense, and getting up to speed with that shouldn't be as steep a learning curve.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 28 2011 10:12 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

metirish wrote: Beltran will play tomorrow and break camp with team says Collins via Rubin. I'll believe it when I see it. I think the slowest thing to come along is his defense, and getting up to speed with that shouldn't be as steep a learning curve. Right because right field at CitiField is a great place for a crippled guy to patrol.

Ceetar Mar 28 2011 10:22 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: metirish wrote: Beltran will play tomorrow and break camp with team says Collins via Rubin. I'll believe it when I see it. I think the slowest thing to come along is his defense, and getting up to speed with that shouldn't be as steep a learning curve. Right because right field at CitiField is a great place for a crippled guy to patrol. he's not crippled. It's about the percentage of balls hit to RF, regardless of park, that he has to run after. Yes, he'll need some time knowing how the bounces off the Mo's zone go, but that's not something he's gonna learn at Digital Domain or what not (although in the minor league games at field 7, he's actually better off right?)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 28 2011 10:26 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I'm pretty sure that's why they've had him playing in the minor-league games for the last few days.

Ceetar Mar 28 2011 10:43 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm pretty sure that's why they've had him playing in the minor-league games for the last few days. Also allowed them to get him 7-8 AB.

Edgy MD Apr 11 2011 07:20 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

So, I'm flashing on two precedents: George Foster 1985: An aging corner outfielder/slugger who is stil an important part of the lineup but sits out day games after night games. Bobby Bonilla of 1999: An aging corner outfielder/slugger who has a few good games early in the season, but whose knees prevent him from staying in shape and he becomes more irrelevant as the season progresses.

Ceetar Apr 11 2011 07:52 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: So, I'm flashing on two precedents: George Foster 1985: An aging corner outfielder/slugger who is stil an important part of the lineup but sits out day games after night games. Bobby Bonilla of 1999: An aging corner outfielder/slugger who has a few good games early in the season, but whose knees prevent him from staying in shape and he becomes more irrelevant as the season progresses. I'd rather the Foster scenario with the results of Bonilla, who made the playoffs. Beltran had a nice night on Saturday, I wonder if the extra week of games after a stunted Spring Training are a result of that. He'll likely sit on Thursday's day game, it'll be intresting to see if he plays the finale on Sunday in Atlanta before an offday.

Frayed Knot Apr 11 2011 07:59 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

With 13 pitchers now on the staff and Jason Bay being as cloudy in the future as Hudson Bay was 400 years ago, I certainly hope Beltran is going to be available if not every day than at least something close to it. This can't be a two days on / one day off scenario.

Edgy MD Apr 11 2011 08:16 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Well, as the weather gets warmer, there'll be fewer day games, right? RIGHT?

Ceetar Apr 11 2011 08:20 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: Well, as the weather gets warmer, there'll be fewer day games, right? RIGHT? That was the idea. warmer weather and muscle strength in the knees built up. 5/7 to start. Atlanta's warmer and you get an off day on Monday so taht'd be 5/6 days. Then home again for another 6 games, which I imagine 5/6 is reasonable before another off day. and then you've got another 6 game set. You'd hope at the end of that he's playing mostly regularly and it's warmer out and what not.

Edgy MD Apr 11 2011 08:25 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

And it'll sure help if Hairston finds some traction as the lefty masher we're all hoping he'll turn out to be. Hairston or Harris in the lineup doesn't bother me. Neither is useless (though Hairston hasn't done jack yet). But both of them in the same lineup? Yikey.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 11 2011 08:26 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

What's the latest ETA on Jason Bay? I don't expect that he's going to provide much, but the sooner he comes back the better, just in case he's better than I'm expecting him to be.

Edgy MD Jul 27 2011 10:05 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

attgig wrote: he'll be a starting outfielder for the all star game. he'll hit just south of .300, with 15 home runs, and 58 rbi's. He'll have about 3 steals/3cs, while playing good, but not great CF - losing the speed he once had, but taking great routes to the balls to make up for it. Come trading deadline, we'll see him get traded along with Krod to anyone who'll give us a top middle infield prospect. the rest of his season numbers will be moot at that point, but he'll get into the post season, and once again hit 8 homeruns in the LCS leading to another huge payday. Pretty good job here by attgig. he'll hit just south of .300 .289. with 15 home runs Dead on. and 58 rbi's . 66 He'll have about 3 steals/3cs 3/0 while playing good, but not great CF - losing the speed he once had, but taking great routes to the balls to make up for it. Wrong on the position. More or less correct about the rest. Come trading deadline, we'll see him get traded along with Krod to anyone who'll give us a top middle infield prospect. He and the Rod are gone, but no infielders in hand. the rest of his season numbers will be moot at that point, but he'll get into the post season, and once again hit 8 homeruns in the LCS leading to another huge payday. Go, Giants!

Edgy MD Jul 27 2011 10:07 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Edgy DC wrote: .266 --- 24 HR --- 89 RBI --- 9 SB --- RF, primarily. Ooh, bat him second. Giants. I'm doing pretty good here.

TransMonk Jul 28 2011 07:28 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I re-read this thread yesterday. In March, I feared we might have all been a little too optimistic on Beltran, but there were a lot of great predictions in this thread. Wheeler is a far better prospect than I thought we would receive for him back in Spring Training.

attgig Jul 28 2011 08:04 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

I'm feeling like a winner with that pirates thread that came up recently and now this :). I'm definitely rooting for beltran to have an awesome playoffs. While I don't necessary like the giants and don't really want them to repeat, I'd love to see him win a ring (just wish it was with the mets).

Vic Sage Jul 28 2011 09:30 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

.280/20hrs, traded at the deadline. I missed on the position, too, but otherwise in the ballpark,so to speak.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2011 08:58 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think he'll end up in center field instead of right. By mid July, he'll have 12 to 15 homers and he'll be hitting around .280, and he'll be traded for three young players, one of whom will be a top-rated prospect. Wrong on the position, good on the homers and batting average, pretty good on the trade date, a little off on the return.