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Heyman's Yankee hackery

metsguyinmichigan Jan 20 2011 02:11 PM

Heyman tweets: if pettitte pitches, is it overstating to say #yankees to have 9 hall candidates? other 8: jeter, arod, mo, jorge, cc, andruw, cano, teix OK, now technically anyone with 10 years in the majors can be on the ballot and become a Hall of Fame "candidate." So I have to assume be means "serious" candidate but couldn't fit it in the 140 characters. What, exactly, has Cano done to merit being a contender for the Hall, outside of the Yankee hype machine? Andruw Jones? Teixiera? Nice players, sure. But Cooperstown? If 'roid suspicions are hurting Bagwell, what does that do to the confessed Arod, much less Pettitte? Does he really think CC's bloat will allow him to stick around long enough -- and be effective enough -- to pile up the milestone stats?

Ceetar Jan 20 2011 02:14 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Heyman tweets: if pettitte pitches, is it overstating to say #yankees to have 9 hall candidates? other 8: jeter, arod, mo, jorge, cc, andruw, cano, teix OK, now technically anyone with 10 years in the majors can be on the ballot and become a Hall of Fame "candidate." So I have to assume be means "serious" candidate but couldn't fit it in the 140 characters. What, exactly, has Cano done to merit being a contender for the Hall, outside of the Yankee hype machine? Andruw Jones? Teixiera? Nice players, sure. But Cooperstown? If 'roid suspicions are hurting Bagwell, what does that do the Arod, much less Pettitte? Does he really think CC's bloat will allow him to stick around long enough -- and be effective enough -- to pile up the milestone stats? Not to mention a lot of it (for Jeter and Mo and some of the others) is predicated on them not getting caught with deer antlers before the vote. Some of those guys haven't even hit 10 years yet. Is Posada likely? I'd have to look and I just dont' care to break down his stats. I don'ts ee any way Pettitte makes it, at least nto very early, given the HGH.

Ceetar Jan 20 2011 02:17 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

Johan, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, K-Rod, Bay. There's 6 Heymanesque candidates. I like what Ike did last year, can I project his rookie campaign to mean he's gonna be a serious Hall candidate?

metirish Jan 20 2011 02:18 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

As Irish soccer manager Mick McCarthy observed after Ryan Babel got fined by the FA for a twitter outburst “They should rename it Twatter,” he said, “too many tweets make a twat.” Heyman fits right in there.

Valadius Jan 20 2011 02:30 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

Andruw was a serious Hall candidate until his career completely crashed and burned, largely due to his run on Gold Gloves and his home run numbers. Posada will wind up in the Ted Simmons/Lance Parrish category of catchers. Cano and Teixeira? See Soriano, Alfonso and Giambi, Jason.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 02:34 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

I'll give him A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera. Posada's borderline (I can see the case for him, but when you compare his hitting to his peers, he feels a little like Lance Parrish to me, but worse defensively). As for the others... he's got to be fucking kidding. Sabathia's just gotten to ten seasons; he's been half-decent in half of them, good-to-very-good in four-and-a-half of them, and great in a half-season. If he puts up another ten like this, or 4-5 great seasons from here on in, maybe he's got something. Otherwise, he's a jollier Kevin Appier (or just-as-jolly Bartolo Colon). Cano has superlative skills. He's also played for 5 seasons. Teixeira is an above-average AL first baseman. So is Paul Konerko. So is Justin Morneau. None of them would get my HoF vote unless they had some superhuman years ahead of them.

Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 02:44 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

How many Heyman Hall of Famers do the Phillies have right now? I actually love this stuff. Anything that makes folks think the Yankees are the shizzle because they're paying Andruw Jones for something he did in 2000 is OK with me.

metsmarathon Jan 20 2011 03:00 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

fangraphs... y'know, i was not expecting andruw to look as good as he does here. he's got the same WAR as jeter, and his best 9 years were each almost about a win better than jeter's best 9 years. he's a stronger candidate than berkman, which surprised me a lot.

MFS62 Jan 20 2011 09:44 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

When I was in high school, I was a counsellor at a day camp. One of the 8 year old kids asked me (after the player had completed a rookie year where, IIRC, he hit under .250) "Do you think Joe Pepitone will make the Hall of Fame?" I forget his name, but that kid might have been named Heyman. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 10:10 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

Those Jones WAR numbers are shocking, kinda... but only until you think about it. One of the better defensive CFs ever in his prime, plus 30-40 HR power. If he hadn't fallen off the ledge...

Edgy DC Jan 20 2011 10:12 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

I don't really know. He was racking up Gold Gloves well after I thought he was really earning them.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2011 10:42 PM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

Don't they all? When he was good, he was damn good.

Frayed Knot Jan 21 2011 06:38 AM Re: Heyman's Yankee hackery

Yeah, Andruw's cumulative WAR edge over Berkman is mostly a factor of two things: getting a good start while real young and racking up a bunch of defensive brownie points. Berkman's 1B and corner OF play I'm sure lags way behind, plus his offensive peak wasn't that long either.