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Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Edgy MD Feb 13 2011 08:08 PM

José Bernabe Reyes. Pos: SS; BS-TR. Born: June 11, 1983 in Villa Gonzalez, Dominican Republic. (He'll be 28 in 2011.) Birth Context Karma: The 1983 Mets, one week into the interim skipperhood of Frank Howard, started the day in the wee hours completing a marathon 17-inning walkoff win over the Expos on a ball Dave Kingman hit "to Connecticut." (Within weeks Keith Hernandez would be a Met and Dave Kingman would be packing his bags.) Later that evening, Scott Holman took the loss in some 5-2 Expo payback. Ex-Met Jeff Reardon, coming off two innings in the extra-inning game the night before, threw three shutout innings for the save. Acquired: Signed by the Mets as a foreign amateur free agent August 16, 1999. Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BB-REF WAR FG WAR Pos Awards St. Lucie FLOR (A+) 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 NYM NL 133 603 563 83 159 29 10 11 54 30 10 31 63 .282 .321 .428 .749 103 241 8 2 4 3 4 2.2 (2.5 off) 2.8 ss AS Total All 134 607 567 83 159 29 10 11 55 30 10 31 63 .280 .313 .425 .738 241 8 2 4 3 4 Number: 7 Wife: Katherine Ramierez Nickname: "Tongue." Namesakes: Best Day in 2010: A lot of people peaked in the Philadelphia sweep, but none like Reyes: Game One. Game Two. Game Three. Last Word: José is coming to camp with no contract beyond this year. Maybe they sign him to an extension before the season. Maybe they have no idea what the budget is for 2012. Very cloudy. What do you expect of José Reyes in 2011?

batmagadanleadoff Feb 13 2011 08:42 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

If injuries don't bog him down, I expect Reyes to have his best year ever.

Fman99 Feb 13 2011 08:47 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

.315 BA, 15 HRs, 60 RBIs, 110 runs, 45 SB, plays silly-good defense and earns himself a big fat contract.

metirish Feb 13 2011 09:19 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If injuries don't bog him down, I expect Reyes to have his best year ever. I would hope this is true but I thin we have seen the best of him. .282 9 home runs , 48 rbi , 90 runs scored , 22 SB, caught stealing 12 times , he will end up staying with the Mets on a one year deal

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 13 2011 09:25 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If injuries don't bog him down, I expect Reyes to have his best year ever. That's a pretty big if and a pretty big year you're talking about. I'm optimistic he'll have a good year and pessimistic that he'll stick around following it.

G-Fafif Feb 14 2011 02:15 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

His best year since 2008.

Edgy MD Feb 14 2011 05:19 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I think he'll have a great year in terms of extra base hits, and he'll get 50-55 steals, but his decline in walk rate last year was disappointing and I don't expect that to rebound. Neither do I expect his fielding to come back much.

Ceetar Feb 14 2011 05:31 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

.299, 15 HR, 15 Triples, 45 SB, .350 OBP,12 whiny comments from opposing players, 5 WAR, 1 MVP, and a partridge in a pear tree.

smg58 Feb 14 2011 05:42 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Another OK year like last year.

El Segundo Escupidor Feb 14 2011 06:20 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

.315 BA, 15 HRs, 60 RBIs, 110 runs, 45 SB, plays silly-good defense and earns himself a big fat contract. I don't foresee Reyes getting the sums of money thrown around in the media and blogsphere. I base this on the following: 1. History of injuries -- should preclude him from getting more than 7 years (and years 33-35 are not gonna be pretty) 2. Potential suitors -- The Jints and who else? Maybe Boston, if Lowrie fizzles out. But neither of these teams have idiots for GMs (Zito was an act of desperation, not idiocy). Unless a team wants to make a Jayson Werth-like "statement", but Reyes would be the wrong type of player for that. 3.2 SS FA market - Reyes may be the best of the bunch but there are some serviceable alternatives - Hardy, Furcal, Betancourt. 4. Tulowitzki benchmark -- makes it difficult for Reyes to make a case for more than $15M/year. 5. Career OPS+101 -- This is passable now, but when he loses a yard or two in pace, you'll be paying for an average hitter with good defensive skills. 7y/$90M is par, in my book.

Edgy MD Feb 14 2011 07:10 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

The Second Spitter wrote: 4. Tulowitzki benchmark -- makes it difficult for Reyes to make a case for more than $15M/year. What about the Jeter benchmark? If I'm his agent, I cite that, if only to move the needle.

TransMonk Feb 14 2011 07:28 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I expect about the same output as last season...and that he will be traded.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 14 2011 10:54 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm optimistic he'll have a good year and pessimistic that he'll stick around following it. Yup. If Flores continues to look half-decent at SS, they'll check the trade market. They'll find it wanting, and he'll move on at year's end. In the meantime... with a mild rebound in walk rate-- his walk rate WAS 10+ in 2009, after all-- he'll go something like: 152 G 705 PA 13 HR 74 RBI 109 R 65 XBH .289/.344/.451 .348 wOBA 56 SB 13 CS The Second Spitter wrote: 7y/$90M is par, in my book. NOBODY is giving him seven years. I would stake a kidney on it.

Frayed Knot Feb 14 2011 12:40 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Whatever happens with Reyes will have nothing to do with Flores. He won't even turn 20 until August; should probably spend most if not all of the year in A ball; and NO ONE thinks he'll be able to stick at SS for very much longer and certainly not in the majors.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 14 2011 12:59 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

In-system and on the FA market, short-term replacement options for Reyes abound. (Mostly inferior ones, granted, but still... there are adequate ones out there and-- if you believe in someone like Justin Turner for 1-2 years-- in-house.) Long-term replacements? Not so much-- there's a reason even a semi-durable, semi-operable Reyes is a well-above-average MLB SS. By a couple of different reports, Flores' lateral movement improved markedly last year; guys like Keith Law notwithstanding, a good number of the "he has no chance to stay at SS" scouting reports have become "he will likely move"-- a subtle but significant distinction. He put up a solid .730 OPS in the pitching-rich Sally last year, and he's likely heading for AA after camp breaks. If the improvement continues, he may indeed be a future possibility at SS, or a trade chip in getting a premium version of same (or a potential replacement for David Wright, depending on where the franchise is at that point); it'll most definitely be a factor (if not necessarily the biggest one) in whether they push aggressively to sign Reyes, push to move him, or hover somewhere in between.

seawolf17 Feb 14 2011 01:10 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Nobody's fucking trading Jose Reyes, okay? They're signing him long term, and that is that.

Ceetar Feb 14 2011 01:13 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

seawolf17 wrote: Nobody's fucking trading Jose Reyes, okay? They're signing him long term, and that is that. I'm onboard.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 14 2011 01:21 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

As are the overwhelming majority of us. I just don't think it'll actually happen. (See also: "Creative Frankie-Rod Usage, So As To Avoid Contract Vesting.")

Benjamin Grimm Feb 14 2011 01:22 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: What about the Jeter benchmark? If I'm his agent, I cite that, if only to move the needle. In this crazy world of ours, comparing your player to Jeter takes as much audacity as comparing him to Jesus. (Christ, not Alou.) In response the Mets can cough up platitudes about five rings and clutch and all the other gag inducing crap we've been hearing for years. Anyway.... My pick for Reyes in Eleven: 145 games, 95 runs, 10 homers, 11 triples, 35 steals, .280. The Mets won't trade him at the deadline, although they won't be close enough to first place (or the wild card) to really justify keeping him. He'll end up on the free agent market, and it's about 50-50 whether he comes back to the Mets.

Vic Sage Feb 14 2011 01:22 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

.280 / 10hr / 30sb - less defensive range, but still ok. Wilpons won't spend the money to re-sign him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 14 2011 01:34 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I just don't think he'll be so spectacular going forward that the Mets would be wise to outbid the field for him, especially given his past [crossout:3k6akhpn]juicing[/crossout:3k6akhpn] injury troubles.

GYC Feb 14 2011 05:33 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm optimistic he'll have a good year and pessimistic that he'll stick around following it. This. sigh.

Nymr83 Feb 14 2011 08:21 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I expect an injury. Barring that he has a career-average year at the plate, but with lots of steal attempts (its a contract year and he has 29 other GMs to show he can still do it)

El Segundo Escupidor Feb 14 2011 08:37 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

wrong thread

El Segundo Escupidor Feb 15 2011 04:36 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Ceetar wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Nobody's fucking trading Jose Reyes, okay? They're signing him long term, and that is that. I'm onboard. I could see Reyes going out as a rental and then returning as a FA. Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy DC wrote: What about the Jeter benchmark? If I'm his agent, I cite that, if only to move the needle. In this crazy world of ours, comparing your player to Jeter takes as much audacity as comparing him to Jesus. (Christ, not Alou.) In response the Mets can cough up platitudes about five rings and clutch and all the other gag inducing crap we've been hearing for years. Jeter gets paid for his rare intangibles that have SABR so flummoxed they have yet to developed a statistic to measure them.

Edgy MD Feb 15 2011 05:30 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Well, then, I'd argue that if Jeter has 100% Jeterness, and that's the extra he's being paid for, Reyes has 80% Jeterness. And then Mets would say, "What?! Are you serious?!! He's got, like, 20% Jeterness." After a lot of vicious back-and-forth, we'd settle somewhere in the middle on his Jeterness, but each bit we agree on would have moved the needle north of where it would have been without the Jeter precedent.

Ceetar Feb 15 2011 05:32 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

The Second Spitter wrote: Jeter gets paid for his rare intangibles that have SABR so flummoxed they have yet to developed a statistic to measure them. Suzyn Waldman yesterday blamed A-Rod for Jeter's defensive woes last season. Cause A-Rod's hip hurt so Jeter was covering his ground too!

Ashie62 Feb 15 2011 07:25 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Somewhat better than last year. The Wilpons will not spend the money on him. Jose traded late July.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 15 2011 12:56 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Reports coming out today indicate that the Mets will be willing to negotiate with Jose during the season. Not clear if Reyes feels the same way.

Ceetar Feb 15 2011 02:38 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Reports coming out today indicate that the Mets will be willing to negotiate with Jose during the season. Not clear if Reyes feels the same way. old news. Reyes has said he doesn't want to negotiate during the season. (but not that he wouldn't)

seawolf17 Feb 15 2011 02:39 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

They don't have to negotiate. Have Fred, or Jeff, or Sandy, or whoever just write out one of those big cardboard checks with Jose's name on it, and let him and his agent fill out the dollar amount.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 01 2011 12:19 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Reyes, Healthy Again, Reclaims Crown as the Fastest Met Excerpt: PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — For the first time in two years, Jose Reyes has his winged shoes, and with no restrictions or limitations, he is showing his burning speed once again. In a head-to-head heat with Angel Pagan, his stiffest competition in the sprints — as well as for most of the other starters — Reyes reclaimed his crown as the fastest Met during a mostly fun race held during wind sprints at the end of practice Friday. The drill was a 60-yard dash, but Reyes and Pagan were told to start 5 yards behind the rest of the staggered crew, and Ike Davis was told to stand a few yards in front. Reyes and Pagan came from their positions on the blocks to pass everyone, with Reyes catching Pagan at the end to win by a fraction of a second. “It’s no fun running with those guys,” Davis said. “They make me look like a kindergartner.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/sport ... ?src=twrhp

Benjamin Grimm Mar 01 2011 12:23 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Maybe the Mets can borrow another $90 million and give Jose a new contract.

Ceetar Mar 01 2011 12:27 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

He's so fast, this season he's going to take his lead in foul territory next to first base and still steal on Hamels. Actually, wasn't there a story about Ty Cobb stealing first from second, just cause?

seawolf17 Mar 01 2011 12:58 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I know the "stealing first base from second" story from a player named Germany Schafer, way back in the 190whatevers. I'm back on the "SIGN REYES NOW" bandwagon.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 01 2011 01:04 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

"We'll gladly pay you on a Tuesday in 2028 for an extension signed today."

Ceetar Mar 01 2011 01:06 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Okay Sandy, You've seen Jose play now. Let's get going here.

Frayed Knot Mar 01 2011 02:37 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I would have bet that Angel was a hair faster than Reyes. Turns out to be wrong (at least today) but close.

Ashie62 Mar 01 2011 09:44 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Frayed Knot wrote: I would have bet that Angel was a hair faster than Reyes. Turns out to be wrong (at least today) but close. Chris Carter could dust them both.

Edgy MD Apr 13 2011 11:33 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Encouraging: hitting the ball hard pretty consistently. Doing a good job in the first inning. Not encouraging: One walk in hiis first 50 plate appearances. Not running in big spots late in the game. (This last one may be Tjerry Collins giving him the red light with the bunt on.)

Ceetar Apr 13 2011 11:38 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Encouraging: hitting the ball hard pretty consistently. Doing a good job in the first inning. Not encouraging: One walk in hiis first 50 plate appearances. Not running in big spots late in the game. (This last one may be Tjerry Collins giving him the red light with the bunt on.) Reyes will never be a 100 walk guy. He's going to be aggressive and swing at pitches that he can hit. So far that's been roughly all of them. He's got a .354 OBP right now which is on-par with 2006-2009 career numbers. And its' about OBP, not walks. bunting for a hit is an acceptable way to get on base for example. He has worked a couple of full counts that I've noticed, and seen a lot of pitches, so he does seem to be exercising some degree of selectivity. The real test to me is if he ups his walk totals when he's not hitting the ball as well. Angel Pagan's drawn 6 walks despite not hitting. And while his .304 OBP still sucks, at least it's beyond the automatic out stage.

Edgy MD Apr 13 2011 11:42 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Well, I said it's not encouraging, not that it's an indictment, and I listed it in the context of encouraging things too. But when it comes to getting on base, a good walk rate is more sustainable than a good hit rate, so it pays to always be mindful of it. Ichiro is great, but there is only one of him.

Frayed Knot Apr 13 2011 11:47 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Jose has also had more than his share of infield hits so far; some were intentional (bunts) but others more "lucky" in nature. Not necessarily a problem, but at the same time not always sustainable. The two triples he hit the other day were the best sign IMO; smacked 'em both and either were HRs in most other stadiums (and would count for two HRs each if hit in YSIII).

batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2011 11:52 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 13 2011 11:55 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: The two triples he hit the other day ... would count for two HRs each if hit in YSIII. That's why Jose's gonna be an MFY next year. He'll hit 20 HR's in that park. Jeter's SS days are numbered. And the MFY's, who need a shortstop, will outbid every other team for Jose. Because they can. And to stick it to the Mets.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2011 11:54 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Encouraging: hitting the ball hard pretty consistently. Doing a good job in the first inning. Not encouraging: One walk in hiis first 50 plate appearances. Not running in big spots late in the game. (This last one may be Tjerry Collins giving him the red light with the bunt on.) If I had a say, Thole'd bat leadoff - at least against righties.

Edgy MD Apr 13 2011 11:55 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

If they put a premium on sticking it to the Mets, that's even more overpaying they'll do.

El Segundo Escupidor Apr 13 2011 12:00 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: Not running in big spots late in the game. ) Not running early in the count. Not running with less than 2 outs. His base-running has been as predicable as a mullet at a NASCAR event.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2011 12:02 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Edgy DC wrote: If they put a premium on sticking it to the Mets, that's even more overpaying they'll do. Except that, perhaps, they really don't overpay. Because, (and I'm speculating here), what if the Yankees' revenue model is such that paying an extra, I dunno, two or three or whatever million over what the market sez Reyes is worth, generates more revenue for the MFY's than for another team. In other words, what if the MFY business model can justify paying what other teams consider too much for Reyes (or any other player's) services?

seawolf17 Apr 13 2011 12:09 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: The two triples he hit the other day ... would count for two HRs each if hit in YSIII. That's why Jose's gonna be an MFY next year. He'll hit 20 HR's in that park. Jeter's SS days are numbered. And the MFY's, who need a shortstop, will outbid every other team for Jose. Because they can. And to stick it to the Mets. LALALALALALALA I AM NOT LISTENING LALALALALALA

Edgy MD Apr 13 2011 12:32 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: If they put a premium on sticking it to the Mets, that's even more overpaying they'll do. Except that, perhaps, they really don't overpay. Because, (and I'm speculating here), what if the Yankees' revenue model is such that paying an extra, I dunno, two or three or whatever million over what the market sez Reyes is worth, generates more revenue for the MFY's than for another team. In other words, what if the MFY business model can justify paying what other teams consider too much for Reyes (or any other player's) services? Then, hopefully, they'll lose perspective entirely and drop crazy amounts of cheese on the likes of Andruw Jones and Bartolo Colon under the reasoning of "Hey, he used to be good, and what the hell, we have the money" and become complete unable to make judgements as to the adequacy of the their prospects because it becomes moreso again a defining coporate value to fill holes by throwing money at former All Stars in decline.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 04 2011 11:49 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Well, you have to admit: he provided them with one hell of an informercial last night. A major league source told CSNBayArea.com Tuesday that the Giants have had internal discussions about acquiring Reyes, who becomes a free agent after this season. ... It's not clear, however, what the Giants would be willing to give up for a player they might not be able to re-sign. The 27-year-old Reyes will be one of the top free agents this offseason.

G-Fafif May 04 2011 12:57 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

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soupcan May 04 2011 01:30 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

The following is a comment written in response to the article LWFS linked - I just had to share SJUFAN03 says: May 4, 2011, 1:4 PM ET Reyes would be pretty sweet, not only is he fast but he can also swing a bat. In NY they are talking about the Yankees trying to acquire Reyes to replace Jeter at SS (whether Jeter likes it or not) and Jeter moving to DH. If the Yankees enter the mix right now I doubt the giants have a chance since Reyes is already in NY. Taking Zito would be a good decision, the mets need a pitcher and Zito is the one of the best number fives in baseball even though he is making a number one salary He could move up the mets lineup and the mets could probably get away with paying him the minimum while the giants are on the hook for the rest. I think the Mets would take Zito and maybe whiteside (since their catcher apparently sucks) for Reyes. In NY they are talking about the Yankees trying to acquire Reyes to replace Jeter at SS (whether Jeter likes it or not) and Jeter moving to DH. Really? That's what we're talking about in NY? 'Cause I'm in NY and I haven't heard that. I mean aside from my 14 year-old and his friends. If the Yankees enter the mix right now I doubt the giants have a chance since Reyes is already in NY Right, because the Wilpon's priority when trading Reyes is to save on the moving costs. Taking Zito would be a good decision, the mets need a pitcher and Zito is the one of the best number fives in baseball I don't even know what to say. I think the Mets would take Zito and maybe whiteside (since their catcher apparently sucks) for Reyes. Barry Zito and their back-up catcher. Sure, why not?

Ceetar May 04 2011 01:33 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

I want to reply and say "Cain and Posey" or get lost.

metirish May 04 2011 02:51 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Is the above why Heyman just tweeted this? Jose reyes not about to be traded to SF. "Nothing to it," 1 person says. plus, #sfgiants gm sabean hates dealing prospects Of course that 1 person could be the cabbie

Benjamin Grimm May 04 2011 02:59 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Well, whenever one person says something, you have to assume that it's true.

Gwreck May 04 2011 02:59 PM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Ceetar wrote: I want to reply and say "Cain and Posey" or get lost. More likely Bumgartner and Belt.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2011 09:02 AM Re: Expectations of Eleven: José Reyes

Bump.