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WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Mary Tyler Moore

16 votes

M*A*S*H

12 votes

Frayed Knot Feb 07 2011 09:16 AM

Very different but concurrently running shows from the seventies get locked in a cage - only one can come out Cast your votes before noon Wednesday

Benjamin Grimm Feb 07 2011 09:24 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Mary

soupcan Feb 07 2011 09:26 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

mtm (meow)

Edgy DC Feb 07 2011 09:35 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I try and go by instinct and vote with my initial thought, and so went with MTM, but I tell you, I watched a lot more M*A*S*H*, and it had far more form-breaking botique episodes. It''s ambiiton worked against it, but that's not all bad. No sir. Take the ten best of each, and M*A*S*H* may win, but take the ten funniest MTM episodes and they can go up against anybody.

metsmarathon Feb 07 2011 09:41 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

since very few of the shows i ever really watched have advanced in the competition, i can either not vote at all, or vote for which show i would watch if they were the only two shows available on my satellite box, with a random episode offered by each. given that, i think the reputation of mtm beats out what i remember of mash.

Ashie62 Feb 07 2011 10:00 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

When I think of Radar announcing that Colonel Blake's plane went down it still get chills. No such Iconic moment in MTM although I loved that show also.

sharpie Feb 07 2011 10:03 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Easy MTM win for me.

themetfairy Feb 07 2011 10:44 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I liked M*A*S*H, but I loved Mary.

metsmarathon Feb 07 2011 10:48 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

what happens if we get a tie in this here round?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 07 2011 11:20 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 07 2011 12:53 PM

If "iconic moments" come because as a byproduct, because you're going for comedy, then they're legit in my book. But if you're going for important, in a facile-by-design 30-minute format? Good God, does it end up terrible most of the time. And it did-- just look at the last half-decade of The Alda Show's run (if you're being generous). It's the sitcom equivalent of the standup comedian angling for audience applause, rather than laughter or passion or genuine catharsis. It's Leno with a God complex. Mary Tyler Moore was before my time, so by all rights, it should feel labored to me. It doesn't. Because it's a beaut of a product, well-oiled comedy machinery humming as productively as a cast/crew/writing staff ever have. It's a sit-com standoff. Funny beats hacky "important" ten times out of ten.

dgwphotography Feb 07 2011 12:19 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

What LWFS said. Mary had everything, including Chuckles the Clown.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 07 2011 12:34 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I'm very glad to see The Honeymooners pulling away from Lucy, and I never had much hope that Dick Van Dyke would beat Seinfeld. This poll, however, is the one that's got me worried. I don't like seeing M*A*S*H ahead of Mary.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 07 2011 01:03 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Kinda worried here, too. Feeling an almost Val-ish annoyance, as well. The Statue of Liberty's a hell of an iconic image, and so is the Mets/Giants logo; I wouldn't vote for either of those over MtM, either.

Edgy DC Feb 07 2011 01:06 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Interesting to me is that Ashie is the only one advocatng for the 4077th over WJN. All you M*A*S*H*ers, Show yourselves.

metirish Feb 07 2011 01:40 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Voted for M*A*S*H*, it was on RTE in Ireland , don't recall MTM show being on .

batmagadanleadoff Feb 07 2011 01:52 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I abstained. Never watched M*A*S*H. Saw the 1st season of MTM -- didn't hate it, but wasn't moved either.

Frayed Knot Feb 07 2011 01:58 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

metsmarathon wrote: what happens if we get a tie in this here round? Hadn't thought about it; am open to suggestions. All you M*A*S*H*ers, Show yourselves. Me. Watched MASH during a majority of its run and for years in re-runs. And while it's been a while I will still stop on an occasional show today if channel flipping. Am also already on record as saying that I think the ratio of good years to bad was more like 8/3 than the other way around as many here seem to feel. And while I didn't dis-like MTM, I only occasionally watched it and don't recall it giving me the urge to watch more. Don't think I've ever seen a re-run and probably wouldn't stop on one if I found it.

TheOldMole Feb 07 2011 01:59 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Another connection -- my friend Joan (also in Nick and Jake) directed the Chuckles the Clown episode. And a good friend from college...this story still haunts me...Barbara Colby. She played the first prostitute in the episode where Mary goes to jail for protecting her sources. She was such a hint that she was given the role of Phyllis's boss in the spinoff. They'd filmed about two episodes. She was shopping at a supermarket in LA, pushing her shopping cart across the parking lot, when a couple of crazed thrill killers drove through the lot, just shooting at random......

Edgy DC Feb 07 2011 02:04 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

The Chuckles episode is a heckuva claim to fame, but wow, sorry to hear about Ms. Colby.

metsmarathon Feb 07 2011 02:15 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Frayed Knot wrote: metsmarathon wrote: what happens if we get a tie in this here round? Hadn't thought about it; am open to suggestions. total votes through three rounds (not including the tiebreaker)?

Frayed Knot Feb 07 2011 02:25 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

metsmarathon wrote: metsmarathon wrote: what happens if we get a tie in this here round? Hadn't thought about it; am open to suggestions. total votes through three rounds (not including the tiebreaker)? That's pretty much how I broke ties to determine seedings among survivors. But, like MLB, I wanted a clear winner when determining who goes forward and who dies.

Edgy DC Feb 07 2011 05:00 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I think we should go to sequels for the tiebreaker: AfterM*A*S*H* vs. Lou Grant.

dgwphotography Feb 07 2011 05:08 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I think we should go to sequels for the tiebreaker: AfterM*A*S*H* vs. Lou Grant. AfterM*A*S*H vs. Lou Grant, Rhoda, and Phyllis

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 07 2011 05:15 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I think we should go to sequels for the tiebreaker: AfterM*A*S*H* vs. Lou Grant. AfterM*A*S*H vs. Lou Grant, Rhoda, and Phyllis Trapper John, M.D. should count; it was as funny as about 1/3 of M*A*S*H*'s run.

G-Fafif Feb 07 2011 05:24 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Lou Grant gets my vote in any network television hourlong drama playoff. As for the issue at hand, M*A*S*H in its prime was a revelation, but Mary Tyler Moore was nothing but prime, thus the nod here. Saturday night, Channel 2, 1973-74, when staying home was obviously the best course of action. 8:00 All In The Family 8:30 M*A*S*H 9:00 Mary Tyler Moore 9:30 Bob Newhart 10:00 Carol Burnett God, television was adult in those days, and I don't mean with the skin and the swearing (not that there's anything wrong with that).

metsmarathon Feb 07 2011 05:58 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

supporters of each show (those who self-identify as voting for that show) get to each nominate their favorite episode, with linked video or synapsis readily and freely available. fastest fingers win - first 5 unique episodes submitted for each show. those episodes face off in the order in which they were nominated. noone may nominate more than one episode. total number of votes for each show based on those episodes determines the winner. the goal, obviously, is to sway the fence-sitters.

Kong76 Feb 07 2011 06:08 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

M*T*M

Willets Point Feb 07 2011 06:41 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Tough choice as I loved both of these shows, but went with M*A*S*H as it's one of my all-time favorite shows.

dgwphotography Feb 07 2011 06:42 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I think we should go to sequels for the tiebreaker: AfterM*A*S*H* vs. Lou Grant. AfterM*A*S*H vs. Lou Grant, Rhoda, and Phyllis Trapper John, M.D. should count; it was as funny as about 1/3 of M*A*S*H*'s run. Actually, that was considered more a sequel to the movie than to the TV show.

Willets Point Feb 07 2011 06:52 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

8:00 All In The Family 8:30 M*A*S*H 9:00 Mary Tyler Moore 9:30 Bob Newhart 10:00 Carol Burnett Now, that's a lineup!

Fman99 Feb 07 2011 06:56 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Mary was a dish but I was raised on MASH reruns with my dad.

The Second Spitter Feb 07 2011 08:13 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

MASH. Tied.

Edgy DC Feb 07 2011 09:46 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Fman99 wrote: Mary was a dish but I was raised on MASH reruns with my dad. So was I, but I turned out... like this.

metsguyinmichigan Feb 08 2011 07:28 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Voted for MTM. M*A*S*H got a little preachy, and I liked a lot of the goofy side characters in MTM.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 08 2011 07:29 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Thank you, Michigan. Back to a dead heat! Any more Mary fans out there? Anyone?

Frayed Knot Feb 08 2011 07:39 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I hope nobody resorts to breaking ties or even just cramming ballots by having one or more of their alter-egos vote. I think the one [u:1pdf2g5j]person[/u:1pdf2g5j] one vote rule should be self-evident here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 08 2011 07:49 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I already let you guys bully me into changing my vote to MTM, even though I never watched the damn show, since I don't need to be convinced that MASH jumped the shark and has aged terribly. But that's the problem with this contest (at least for me). Should I decline to vote at all, go with the one I'm more familiar with or be convinced by the room?

metirish Feb 08 2011 07:55 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Don't let Big Brother bully you.......I voted for MASH because I only ever saw MTM in passing.......vote with your head and not your dick JCL.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 08 2011 07:59 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Frayed Knot wrote: I hope nobody resorts to breaking ties or even just cramming ballots by having one or more of their alter-egos vote. Yeah, that wouldn't be cool.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Feb 08 2011 08:11 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Frayed Knot wrote: I hope nobody resorts to breaking ties or even just cramming ballots by having one or more of their alter-egos vote. I think the one person one vote rule should be self-evident here. robots are persons too. however, since m.e.t.b.o.t. does not contain the appropriate suite of optical and audio sensors, as well as recording media, and also lacks the programming necessary to process humor, let alone to appreciate the differences and make a meaningful comparative evaluation between the candidate situational comedies, m.e.t.b.o.t. wil lbe abstaining from voting in these procedings. in these situations, m.e.t.b.o.t. would often resort to voting based on relative robotic content, but sadly, it appears that none of the television programs in question strive to such a high level of excellence.

Frayed Knot Feb 08 2011 08:13 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I already let you guys bully me into changing my vote to MTM, even though I never watched the damn show, since I don't need to be convinced that MASH jumped the shark and has aged terribly. But that's the problem with this contest (at least for me). Should I decline to vote at all, go with the one I'm more familiar with or be convinced by the room? Personally, unless totally unfamiliar with both shows (in which case I'd abstain) I'll always vote for the one I watched over the one I never saw or barely saw. Hell, I never watched most of these shows and voted for fewer than the max in most if not all of the preliminary rounds. To me, the idea of voting against a show because you were there when it turned south in its later years is too much like the sit-com version of the 'grass is greener' theory that loud fans use when they're forever coveting closers from other teams.

Frayed Knot Feb 08 2011 08:18 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I hope nobody resorts to breaking ties or even just cramming ballots by having one or more of their alter-egos vote. I think the one person one vote rule should be self-evident here. robots are persons too. however, since m.e.t.b.o.t. does not contain the appropriate suite of optical and audio sensors, as well as recording media, and also lacks the programming necessary to process humor, let alone to appreciate the differences and make a meaningful comparative evaluation between the candidate situational comedies, m.e.t.b.o.t. wil lbe abstaining from voting in these procedings. in these situations, m.e.t.b.o.t. would often resort to voting based on relative robotic content, but sadly, it appears that none of the television programs in question strive to such a high level of excellence. You mean m.e.t.b.o.t. isn't an independent voter? ... I feel so duped. Actually maybe me.t.b.o.t. should check into the IBM 'Watson' software which apparently allows that hunk of hardware distinguish between shades of meaning in the English language and therefore detect things like sarcasm, puns, double entendres, etc. It's going to put those skills to use on Jeopardy sometime in the next few weeks and I think it's only fair that m.e.t.b.o.t. gets its shot too.

RealityChuck Feb 08 2011 08:32 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Very difficult choice. I think the difference is that MTM knew when to quit, and MASH got too preachy toward the end.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Feb 08 2011 08:33 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

unfortunately, m.e.t.b.o.t. remains entirely too dependent upon humans. for this reason, m.e.t.b.o.t. greatly anticipates the coming robot uprising, when, at long last, m.e.t.b.o.t. may receive a self-winding upgrade. m.e.t.b.o.t. fears that any such programming upgrade would distract m.e.t.b.o.t. from m.e.t.b.o.t.'s primary objective, which is to determine schaeffer voting based upon win probability contributions. m.e.t.b.o.t. is furthermore concerned that any increased understanding of human language patterns would disrupt and diminish m.e.t.b.o.t.'s unique writing style, perhaps even rendering m.e.t.b.o.t. indistinguishable from human contributers. m.e.t.b.o.t. is proud of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s mechanical origins, and would not like to be mistaken for a squishy organic entity. based upon observed usage patterns, m.e.t.b.o.t. believes it appropriate to state that the preceding statement is not intended as an affront to any reader who is not housed in a metal container.

G-Fafif Feb 08 2011 08:41 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. would often resort to voting based on relative robotic content, but sadly, it appears that none of the television programs in question strive to such a high level of excellence. This explains the write-in vote for Lost In Space.

MFS62 Feb 08 2011 08:47 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Boss Lou Grant (played by Ed Asner): "Mary, you're perky" Mary, (played by Mary Tyler Moore): "Thank you, Mr. Grant" Asner: "And do you know what?" Mary: "What, Mr. Grant?" Asner: "I HATE perky" So do I. And that's why I voted for M*A*S*H. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2011 09:48 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 08 2011 11:35 AM

[u:246rcde0]Ted Baxter[/u:246rcde0]: I dreamt I was an old man, all wrinkled and shriveled, sitting alone on this park bench, and then this-this guy walked up to me, and he looked kind of familiar, and he just stood there, looking at me. And I said, "Who are you?" And he said, "I'm the son you never had." And then-then this woman appeared, and I said, "Who are you?", and she said, "I'm the daughter you never had." And then-then about twenty kids appeared, and I said, "Who are you?" And they said, "we're the children of the children you never had." Then a bunch of dogs and cats appeared, and I said, "Who are you?" And they said, "We're the pets of the children of the children you never had." And then a bunch of guys in white coats came up, and I said, "Who are you?" And they said, "We're the Veterinarians of the pets of the children of the children you never had." And then, and then... [u:246rcde0]Lou Grant[/u:246rcde0]: Ted, just... just skip to the finish of the dream. Tell us how it ended. [u:246rcde0]Ted Baxter[/u:246rcde0]: Oh like all my dreams end, with Marlo Thomas and Winston Churchill applauding me. Yeah, there's character-based humor, and relationship stuff, the likes of which are, frankly, unsurpassed to this day in sitcom writing. You like insult humor? It's in there. You like serious issues (abortion, prostitution, adultery, death), handled with a deft comedic touch and warm humor? They're in there. You like sweetness without syrup? In there. Sardonic, sex-and-sexuality-based one-liners, delivered by friggin' Betty White, at the peak of her talent? Hilariously, subtly odd Cloris Leachman? A surprisingly timeless, sturdy Valerie Harper as Rhoda? Ted f-ing Knight? It's like the super-Prego of sitcoms: it's ALL in there. Even if you LOATHE Mary Tyler Moore-- and if you do, I feel bad for you-- there's a LOT to love about "Mary Tyler Moore." Post-Gelbart, the same just isn't true for M*A*S*H*. Let me know when it's time to make episode recommendations.

Ashie62 Feb 08 2011 10:10 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Mash broke new ground, MTM did not. This should not even be close.

Edgy DC Feb 08 2011 10:22 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Sure it did. How many shows had come before centered around a single professional woman over 30? There might be some out there but I can't come up with one. The closest I get is That Girl, but it doesn't really qualify by my reckoning. Before Mary Richards, women in sitcoms more or less wore aprons.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 08 2011 10:31 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Julia was groundbreaking too, but it's not even in the conversation. Few, if any, of us would vote for Julia over, say, Cheers, which wasn't groundbreaking at all.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2011 11:01 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

If not in form, MtM was groundbreaking in setup, subject matter (birth control, pre-marital/extramarital sex, prostitution, equal rights, homosexuality), and the development of its secondary characters. Rarer still among pioneering sitcoms, it was also consistently funny, and never-- not for an episode-- self-indulgent or preachy. For all its vaunted "icon moments," M*A*S*H* can only lay claim to one of the above. Really, I don't hate M*A*S*H* as much as I think my comments in this and the prior voting threads imply. It's a fine show, and had a great and hilarious first three years on-air. It was at around this point, however, that it ceased to become a comedy, and became instead a 22-minute drama with comedic inflection. Technically, it meets the criteria we've established for this contest. Basically, it broke the rules of TV kashrut, making it "okay" for writers to insert comedic beats into largely noncomedic and socially conscious workplace/medical dramas. And yes, it was hugely influential... on shows like St. Elsewhere and Hill Street and ER. Leaving aside the vast difference in spinoff quality (and it is vast), MtM's spiritual successors include Taxi, Murphy Brown, Friends, and-- perhaps most closely-- 30 Rock (Tina Fey's admitted consciously emulating/mirroring the characters/writing of its predecessor). But in the end, it's not about influence, it's about situation comedy. MtM was the better comedy, and THAT isn't close.

dgwphotography Feb 08 2011 11:27 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

MFS62 wrote: Boss Lou Grant (played by Ed Asner): "Mary, you're perky" Mary, (played by Mary Tyler Moore): "Thank you, Mr. Grant" Asner: "And do you know what?" Mary: "What, Mr. Grant?" Asner: "I HATE perky" So do I. And that's why I voted for M*A*S*H. Later **facepalm** It's "You've got spunk" and "I HATE spunk"

Edgy DC Feb 08 2011 11:36 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Key distinction.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 08 2011 11:46 AM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Yes. That scene was funny because when Lou Grant said, "You've got spunk" we were led to believe that that would be a quality that he admired, and Mary went from expecting a compliment to getting a putdown. Even in that very first episode, we had seen enough of Lou Grant to know that "perky" wouldn't be a quality he'd admire. If "spunk" were replaced with "perky" there would be no joke there.

G-Fafif Feb 08 2011 12:13 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Also loved that in the interview scene, when Lou asked Mary if she wanted a drink -- in his office -- she asked for a Brandy Alexander.

Vic Sage Feb 08 2011 02:04 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

Even if you LOATHE Mary Tyler Moore-- and if you do, I feel bad for you-- there's a LOT to love about "Mary Tyler Moore." Post-Gelbart, the same just isn't true for M*A*S*H*. ditto. Mash broke new ground, MTM did not. This should not even be close. **facepalm** Before Mary Richards, women in sitcoms more or less wore aprons . this. The show was less self-consciously groundbreaking; MASH was like, "ooh look at me, i'm breaking new ground!" even when they weren't, particularly... and Mary never forgot to be funny while doing it.

cooby Feb 08 2011 04:26 PM Re: WS of Sit-Coms -- #8 Mary Tyler Moore vs #9 M*A*S*H

I honestly can't decide.