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Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 08:30 AM

It's Ollie Day and it might be the last one. Root, root, root for the home team. 1. Jose Reyes, SS 2. Willie Harris, CF 3. David Wright, 3B 4. Ike Davis, 1B 5. Daniel Murphy, 2B 6. Lucas Duda, LF 7. Fernando Martinez, DH 8. Josh Thole, C 9. Kirk Nieuwenhuis, RF In the bullpen: Chris Capuano (expected to get only one inning), Boof Bonser, Taylor Buchholz, Jenrry Mejia, Jason Isringhausen, Francisco Rodriguez.

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 11:37 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Oliver Perez survives the first inning, no runs on no hits and no walks. Mets draw blood in the bottom of the inning on an error, passed ball, ground out and sac fly. Reyes' legs in action. Two hits for the Cards in the second, but Allah Vah gets out of it with the help of a caught stealing, Thole to Reyes.

metirish Mar 03 2011 11:41 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

10 of 14 pitches were strikes scoreless through two

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 11:52 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Ollie's day ends after two innings and two hits, no runs and no walks. And it's Grandfather's Day at the park as Francisco Rodriguez takes over.

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 11:54 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

He gets through his inning with a double allowed (Shane Robinson) and a strikeout (Tyler Green).

bmfc1 Mar 03 2011 11:55 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

mlb.tv is having trouble with the feed--sometimes the pictures and sound go out, other times we get the sound but the picture is from a Turkish League basketball game.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2011 11:56 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Edgy DC wrote: Ollie's day ends after two innings and two hits, no runs and no walks. Looks like those eager for Oliver's head to roll will have to wait at least a few more days.

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 12:16 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Wright walks and is plated by an RBI double from Ike Davis. Chris Cap throws a scoreless inning on behalf of his remorsless wife and it's 2-0.

TransMonk Mar 03 2011 12:20 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

I'm rooting for Cappy.

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 12:26 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Scoreless izzing from Isringhausen, with a two-out walk. We're halfway and Reyes opens with a single. Mets hoping a buyer comes in with the cash to sign Reyes.

Ceetar Mar 03 2011 12:32 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Ollie's day ends after two innings and two hits, no runs and no walks. Looks like those eager for Oliver's head to roll will have to wait at least a few more days. Honestly the velocity and the no Ks doesn't actually bolster me as to this being a good performance. To me it's always been about how he sets up hitters, and how his pitches look. Also, why is it that the beat writers only seem to write about his velocity when he doesn't let up runs? It's like "accentuate the negative!" My stance has always been that I don't believe the Ollie-Warthen tandem can work. If Perez regains his 9 K/9 rate, I'll believe he can contribute. But despite his ptiches still having movement and his stuff being 'good' I don't have faith in him comprehending the 'art' of pitching, of setting up hitters, of changing speeds. The complement to that is that if even if Santana is somewhat diminished, I _do_ have faith in him still make his pitches work for outs.

themetfairy Mar 03 2011 12:33 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

In the booth, Ralph was quick to point out that, even though Ollie didn't walk anyone, it was troublesome to see his velocity as low as it was.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2011 12:36 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Still, I don't think they'd release him after a scoreless outing. They'll probably wait until he gets hammered again.

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 12:37 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Ceetar wrote: Also, why is it that the beat writers only seem to write about his velocity when he doesn't let up runs? It's like "accentuate the negative!" I agree. Ceetar wrote: My stance has always been that I don't believe the Ollie-Warthen tandem can work. I don't agree.

Ceetar Mar 03 2011 12:46 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: My stance has always been that I don't believe the Ollie-Warthen tandem can work. I don't agree. sorry, "won't" work. most pitchers velocity is a little lower in Spring. I know he pitched in the Mexican league, but still. Shouldn't his velocity have ret urned by now? is the knee injury really keeping him down, or is that he's not getting his proper mechanics back? Didn't Chase Utley reportedly have the same tendinitis this spring? CC has knee surgery, should the Yankees be worried?

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 12:51 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

I don't know, I don't know, and I don't know. But I don't think any negative answers there aredefinitively negative because Dan Warthan is the coach and not Dave Righetti or somebody.

G-Fafif Mar 03 2011 12:52 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Ralph's voice, floating out of a speaker, for the 50th consecutive Mets year. Per Ice Cube, today is a good day.

Ceetar Mar 03 2011 12:52 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know, I don't know, and I don't know. But I don't think any negative answers there aredefinitively negative because Dan Warthan is the coach and not Dave Righetti or somebody. fair enough. The questions were mostly rhetorical anyway. I'm not positive anyone knows. I only suspect/guess/blame that Warthen could be doing more than he is, or is not doing his duty to answer said questions.

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 12:59 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

A two-out single off of new pitcher Joe Kelly (righty) by Murphy plates run number three. Jenrry Mejia joins the shutout party with a scoreless. Murphy handled four chances --- two grounders, one popout, one tagout on an outfield assist --- without incident. Brad Emaus comes in and an infield hit to second occurs. Fernando Martinez has a hit and a walk.

Ceetar Mar 03 2011 01:02 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Edgy DC wrote: A two-out singe off of new pitcher Joe Kelly (righty) by Murphy plates run number three. Jenrry Mejia joins the shutout party with a scoreless. Murphy handled four chances --- two grounders, one popout, one tagout on an outfield assist --- without incident. Brad Emaus comes in and an infield hit to second occurs. Fernando Martinez has a hit and a walk. cool beans. One of the things i'm interested/concerned with is Murphy with the DP. Specifically when Pelfrey is pitching. Pelfrey's seemingly set himself up as a guy that gives upa lot of hits, but they tend not to be damaging,a nd part of that is grounders and DPs. But it sounds like there is a lot of guys audtiioning for second that will help the team. They'll be able to pick based on a position of strength, and have suitable backups should it be a short lived success. wish i could watch. damn work. 2 weeks.

bmfc1 Mar 03 2011 01:07 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Nobody should read too much into Ollie's outing as the Cardinals only brought one regular player today so he was mostly facing minor leaguers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 03 2011 01:08 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't know, I don't know, and I don't know. But I don't think any negative answers there aredefinitively negative because Dan Warthan is the coach and not Dave Righetti or somebody. fair enough. The questions were mostly rhetorical anyway. I'm not positive anyone knows. I only suspect/guess/blame that Warthen could be doing more than he is, or is not doing his duty to answer said questions. Wait, I thought your issue with Warthen was that he was too blunt.

Ceetar Mar 03 2011 01:14 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't know, I don't know, and I don't know. But I don't think any negative answers there aredefinitively negative because Dan Warthan is the coach and not Dave Righetti or somebody. fair enough. The questions were mostly rhetorical anyway. I'm not positive anyone knows. I only suspect/guess/blame that Warthen could be doing more than he is, or is not doing his duty to answer said questions. Wait, I thought your issue with Warthen was that he was too blunt. Blunt? can they trade him to the Giants? Is he too blunt? other then the idiotic Maine comment, I can't really recall much of anything interesting he's said.

Ceetar Mar 03 2011 01:21 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

To continue the thought from yesterday. So and so (missed their names) joining you hear on raysbaseball.com for one of our 8 internet broadcasts this spring..

Edgy DC Mar 03 2011 01:41 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

And we're done. Ollie gets the win. Taylor Bucholz gets the save. Award holds to Francisco Rodriguez, Chris Capuano, Jason Isringhausen, Jenrry Mejia, and Boof Bonser. For all the minor-leaguies in opposition lineup, the Mets only struck out one batter, while walking two and yielding eight hits.

G-Fafif Mar 03 2011 01:45 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

bmfc1 wrote: Nobody should read too much into Ollie's outing as the Cardinals only brought one regular player today so he was mostly facing minor leaguers. In that case, Ollie retroactively refuses this de facto minor league assignment.

bmfc1 Mar 03 2011 01:52 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Ceetar wrote: To continue the thought from yesterday. So and so (missed their names) joining you hear on raysbaseball.com for one of our 8 internet broadcasts this spring.. So it can be done. Thanks.

MFS62 Mar 04 2011 06:52 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

bmfc1 wrote: Nobody should read too much into Ollie's outing as the Cardinals only brought one regular player today so he was mostly facing minor leaguers. The level of competition he faced really wasn't important. The biggest enemy he had to face was himself. And he won. He didn't walk a single batter. I'm happy for him. Later

Benjamin Grimm Mar 04 2011 06:55 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Yes, good for him. But really, unless something unexpected happens (like a high number of spring injuries to the pitching staff) Ollie is really auditioning for his next job, the major-league minimum contract he'll get from whoever picks him up after he's released.

metirish Mar 04 2011 07:13 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yes, good for him. But really, unless something unexpected happens (like a high number of spring injuries to the pitching staff) Ollie is really auditioning for his next job, the major-league minimum contract he'll get from whoever picks him up after he's released. Yeah this , the Snooze has him all but released in a Madden article http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... s_pla.html

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 04 2011 07:28 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

A good performance like that even out of context can only go to help us unload him if necessary.

metirish Mar 04 2011 07:34 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

It would be a desperate team to take him on with his fastball in the low to mid 80's.

Ashie62 Mar 04 2011 07:36 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Ollie had to spot an 84 mph Fastball and came up with zero walks and runs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2011 09:37 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Moyer and his ilk have made careers out of that. It's called "pitching."

MFS62 Mar 04 2011 09:12 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

From Madden's article in Friday's Daily News. Thanks to a running, leaping catch with a runner on second by the Mets' version of a strange-named scrubeenie, right fielder Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Frankie Fisticuffs was also able to emerge unscored on in his one inning of work. You'd think a reporter getting paid to cover the Mets wouldn't give one of their players a snarky nickname and would know enough about the organization to not call one of their best prospects a scrubeenie. Later

Frayed Knot Mar 05 2011 07:11 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Madden's not a reporter being paid to cover the Mets. He's a columnist paid to give out snarky nicknames and make pre-made connections based on ridiculously small sample sizes.

MFS62 Mar 05 2011 07:30 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Frayed Knot wrote: Madden's not a reporter being paid to cover the Mets. He's a columnist paid to give out snarky nicknames and make pre-made connections based on ridiculously small sample sizes. Thanks for clearing that up. Then he certaily earned his money. He did both in one sentence. Later

batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2011 06:17 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: metirish wrote: It would be a desperate team to take him on with his fastball in the low to mid 80's. Moyer and his ilk have made careers out of that. It's called "pitching." It might be called pitching but for every pitcher that could retire ML hitters consistently despite losing 10 MPH off his fastball, there were hundreds who couldn't. Even Tom Seaver couldn't, among hundreds ... thousands of others.

Edgy DC Mar 08 2011 08:46 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Seaver certainly is an example of a guy who continued pitching effectively after his fastball faded. Call it "pitching well" if you prefer. The point is that veloticty isn't the last word.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 09 2011 07:08 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Velocity isn't the last word but most pitchers can't adjust after their fastball drops by 10 MPH. I wasn't aware that Seaver's fastball was diminished by that much while he was still effective. I could be wrong, though. In his next to last season with the ChiSox in '85, Seaver was one of the AL's top 10 pitchers. But I thought he was throwing in the very high 80's, peaking at 90-91 then. Am I misremembering?

Edgy DC Mar 09 2011 07:15 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Well, I don't know that 10 is the magic number (though it's certainly an intimidating one). Nor do I know how much velocity Ollie has lost. My expectations of Perez are not much higher than anyone else's, mind you.

metirish Mar 09 2011 07:20 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

As a lefty out of the pen his competition for that job isn't overwhelming , if he gets his shit together he could win that job, fucking guy used to have so much talent.

Edgy DC Mar 09 2011 02:19 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

One other scenario: Perez could change his position and volunteer for a minor-league assignment.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 09 2011 02:37 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

I've been wondering about that one too. His perspective might be different this year. Pitching regularly in the Buffalo starting rotation might be his final last shot at reviving his career.

Ceetar Mar 09 2011 02:44 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I've been wondering about that one too. His perspective might be different this year. Pitching regularly in the Buffalo starting rotation might be his final last shot at reviving his career. And it'll be presented differently than last year too. But they should present it now. No reason to let his arm strength wane to reliever level first. He obviously wants to be a starter, tell them this is the only way. Accentuate what he's doing well, what he needs to work on, and have him pitch to minor leaguers on back fields away from the reporters so we don't have to have constant updates. If someone notices (Alderson, another GM, Ronnie Paulino..) in May he's 5-0 and striking guys out, great. If not, he can quietly disappear into the '06 highlight reel.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 09 2011 03:02 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

The thing is-- as we've discussed somewhere on the Forum before-- he's an even worse fit for the reliever profile. Most successful relievers who aren't one-time-only flashes are guys who either don't have the stamina to be a starting pitcher, or hard-thrower/other two-pitch guys who don't have the repertoire to get through the batting order more than once. They still have to pound the zone, and avoid putting guys on base. And if they can't do this, they can't pitch in organized baseball. Right now, he's Mark Buerhle without the control, or Mark Langston without the speed. The only difference between his coming out of the pen or coming out of the game in the fifth is the wLI when he comes in.

TransMonk Mar 09 2011 03:09 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

He shoulda been cut 9 months ago. I'd rather see him in another team's bullpen if that it is his fate. I have little confidence in him being worth one dollar of what remains on his contract.

Edgy DC Mar 09 2011 03:11 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

I'd pay a buck for him. Heck, I'd pay two.

TransMonk Mar 09 2011 03:17 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

What are you expecting him to give you for those $2?

Edgy DC Mar 09 2011 06:10 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

His best effort. Teams pay perfectly sound money for modest talent that falls by the wayside every year, each one a ticket in a horse race. It may cash in, but more likely gets crumpled on the floor. Oliver, bought at a $2 ticket window, is still a sounder bet than many. And a mere $2 lost if it doesn't pay out. I say stick around and watch the race, for the sake of curiosity and the thrill of the chase. At this point, he's paid for and virtually free --- excepting meal money during spring training. I have no problem seeing it through until it becomes professionally untenable. Right now, it's merely emotionally so for some people. But that's not going to get us anywhere. If he's upsetting to the callers at FAN, they should turn away. It's spring training, for Pete Flynn's sake.

Edgy DC Mar 09 2011 06:16 PM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Here's an interesting way to look at it. Ollie-Ollie has a career 4.63 ERA and a career ERA+ of 91 at 29 years old. This time last year, R.A. Dickey was at 5.43 and 87 and six years older.

TransMonk Mar 10 2011 07:19 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Apples and oranges. -Power vs. finesse -Ollie had something, then lost it...Dickey never really had it, then found it -Dickey made a fraction of the amount Perez did during the points in their carrer that you are referencing -Dickey has worked in the minors every year of his career while Ollie refuses to go Whatevs. IMO, management has given him more than enough opportunity to show that he has something left (not just this spring...I'm talking since 2008, when he lost whatever dominance he once had), and he hasn't proven that he has it to me. I believe that they should focus on looking to pieces that do fit into this puzzle, rather than trying to find find a way to fit a square peg into a round hole.

bmfc1 Mar 10 2011 07:25 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

I concur with TransMonk. I wanted them to dump him before ST began to avoid wasting innings on somebody that wasn't going to make the team. They kept him, gave him a chance, and he failed. I think that they have three viable candidates for the lefty BP spot so they aren't desperate for another. Guys! said yesterday that they might as well keep him because he's under contract. Using that logic, they might as well put him on the roster because they're paying him either way. To me, he's had numerous chances and has continuously failed. They're throwing good money (innings) after bad by keeping him any longer.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 10 2011 07:33 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

At this point in the spring, I think there are still plenty of innings to go around. Other guys with an equally slim chance of making the team are still getting innings. My guess is that they're hoping to coax Perez into pitching for Buffalo. If he accepts an assignment in the Bisons rotation, and pitches well, then maybe they'll be able to trade him during the summer to a desperate contender who'll be willing to take on part of his contract. It may be a longshot, but if there's a chance of somebody picking up one or two million of Perez's contract, it really doesn't cost them anything to keep him around. You could make a similar, less contrived, argument for Castillo. Rumblings from Philadelphia indicate that Chase Utley may miss the entire season. I don't know if that's a rational fear, or the result of panic, but there may end up being a market for Castillo after all. And if that's the case, then it's good that they didn't release him over the winter.

Edgy DC Mar 10 2011 07:37 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

-Power vs. finesse I'm not sure how that's relevant. -Ollie had something, then lost it...Dickey never really had it, then found it He found it because he got opportunities from teams that thought he just might find it and he's worth entertaining on the fringes. At the right price. The price now is nothing. Except meal money. -Dickey made a fraction of the amount Perez did during the points in their carrer that you are referencing I'm not sure how that's relevant. He costs the same in uniform or out right now. Or in my example, he costs two dollars. -Dickey has worked in the minors every year of his career while Ollie refuses to go Well, if I sign him for $2 and he plays himself into the minors and refuses to go, that's a different story. But that's not where we are right now. Way too much is made of that. Every team "wastes" innings in spring training on guys that aren't going to make the team. Every year. Every week.

TransMonk Mar 10 2011 07:44 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

He's all yours.

Edgy DC Mar 10 2011 07:48 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

For another week or so, anyhow.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2011 08:27 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Nobody's wasting Spring innings on Ollie, according to Terry Collins: “We’ve got lots of innings, innings are not an issue, we can create innings,” he said. “Yesterday we had a couple guys throw on the back fields. There’s lots of opportunity here. There’s not a finite reservoir of innings.”

Edgy DC Mar 10 2011 08:40 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

I also want to dispute the notion of the power/finesse dichotomy. Ollie's best weapon was always his slider, rather than his fastball. What fastball he had certainly helped set the slider up, but still, even last year, lefty batters did absolutely nothing with it. In some ways, that repetoire makes him comparable to Pedro Feliciano when he fell into the lefty-specialist role. Obviously, he still got to get his game together, but I don't see any reason not to work with him hopefully on that, like they do with every pitcher with some good pieces and some missing ones.

TransMonk Mar 10 2011 08:55 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

The power/finesse was in response to your Dickey comparison. It's no secret that Ollie's best years were when his fastball was effective enough to set up his slider. Dickey never had the fastball that Ollie did. Edgy DC wrote: Obviously, he still got to get his game together, but I don't see any reason not to work with him hopefully on that, like they do with every pitcher with some good pieces and some missing ones. We've been waiting for him to get his game together for years. Has the coaching staff not been working with him during that time?

Edgy DC Mar 10 2011 09:04 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

Dickey never had the fastball that Ollie did. I didn't suggest he did. I did say that the power/finesse dictotomy is a false one. Perez's slider was always his best pitch, not his fastball. The team has been working with many pitchers for years. I don't get how the narrative on the persistence of Oliver Perez's presence has gone from his character failures to his physical ones, without pausing to think, hey, now that we see him struggling to find his velocity again, maybe that stuff about him having a million-dollar arm and and a ten-cent head was wrong and unproductively harsh. He's not costing them anything to keep or let go. The money is spent. And yet the focus is on him every day. Why? He's just another guy on the fringes, trying.

The Second Spitter Mar 10 2011 09:08 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

His 2010 stats are very comparable to his last season-and-a-half in Pittsburgh. I wonder if Warthen has given up trying to teach him. It has been remarked to me by people who have observed his mannerisms on TV that he suffers from ADD (and I'm dead serious).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 10 2011 09:19 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

The Second Spitter wrote: His 2010 stats are very comparable to his last season-and-a-half in Pittsburgh. ... which, oddly enough, followed another steep drop-off in fastball velocity, from 95-97 in his breakthrough 2004 to 90-91 in 2005. The problem isn't the diminished velocity, really, though. It's that he's never had control. No pitcher possessing a mid-80s fastball-- whether a flameballer riding into the sunset, or a surgical experiment, or a never-was soft-tosser-- has ever succeeded for any stretch of time without an above-average ability to put the ball where he wants (and/or a knuckleball).

The Second Spitter Mar 10 2011 09:30 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

He seemed to have pretty decent control in 04 with a 1.135 WHIP , which was better than the cheat who won the NL Cy Young. (He actually had better numbers in every category except Wins vis-à-vis said cheat)

Ceetar Mar 10 2011 09:32 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

The Second Spitter wrote: His 2010 stats are very comparable to his last season-and-a-half in Pittsburgh. I wonder if Warthen has given up trying to teach him. It has been remarked to me by people who have observed his mannerisms on TV that he suffers from ADD (and I'm dead serious). Give him some amphetamines then. win-win right? That wouldn't surprise me though. Would almost make you feel bad for the guy. Yelling at him for issuing a 4-pitch walk would be like yelling at the 10 year old kid who can't sit still in English class. I think he'll resurface at one point with another team and have a bout of success though, just not here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 10 2011 09:59 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

The Second Spitter wrote: He seemed to have pretty decent control in 04 with a 1.135 WHIP , which was better than the cheat who won the NL Cy Young. (He actually had better numbers in every category except Wins vis-à-vis said cheat) He was still walking batters like they were his well-cared-for pets-- 3.7 BB/9 (a career-best; 2008's second-best, and no full-year/lengthy-partial-year performance comes close). That's manageable, not great. They just didn't hit him at all, mostly because he struck out guys at rates comparable to prime-years Pedro. Are you referring to that a-hole who raped a teen Mindy McCready? That he stole at least two Cys is yet another reason to begrudge him any happiness.

Ceetar Mar 10 2011 10:07 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The Second Spitter wrote: He seemed to have pretty decent control in 04 with a 1.135 WHIP , which was better than the cheat who won the NL Cy Young. (He actually had better numbers in every category except Wins vis-à-vis said cheat) He was still walking batters like they were his well-cared-for pets-- 3.7 BB/9 (a career-best; 2008's second-best, and no full-year/lengthy-partial-year performance comes close). That's manageable, not great. They just didn't hit him at all, mostly because he struck out guys at rates comparable to prime-years Pedro. Are you referring to that a-hole who raped a teen Mindy McCready? That he stole at least two Cys is yet another reason to begrudge him any happiness. When Ollie is ..well, whatever he is.. guys just don't hit him. Walks and Ks like crazy. He's a guy you probably could reach the 6th inning of a game without realizing he's throwing a no-hitter. When we resigned him, he was either first or second (behind Santana) in strikeouts since 2004.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 10 2011 10:12 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

By a lefty, maybe?

The Second Spitter Mar 10 2011 10:23 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Are you referring to that a-hole who raped a teen Mindy McCready? That he stole at least two Cys is yet another reason to begrudge him any happiness. Yeah, that's him. All the writers were clamouring for him to win it that year, so he could have one from each league. There was an unparalleled homoeroticism about it -- I think, if I ever meet Jeff Pearlman, the first question I'm gonna ask him is who he voted for that year.

Ceetar Mar 10 2011 11:35 AM Re: Ollie Day IGT, 3/3/2011

The Second Spitter wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Are you referring to that a-hole who raped a teen Mindy McCready? That he stole at least two Cys is yet another reason to begrudge him any happiness. Yeah, that's him. All the writers were clamouring for him to win it that year, so he could have one from each league. There was an unparalleled homoeroticism about it -- I think, if I ever meet Jeff Pearlman, the first question I'm gonna ask him is who he voted for that year. I hope they all remember that when it's time to vote for Johan in 2012 for his NL Cy Young.