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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 05 2011 04:07 PM

Went to the Casey Stengel chapter meeting today so you didn't have to.

Saw Kostya Kennedy discuss his new book about DiMaggio's hitting streak, which sounds more interesting than your average MFY hagiography.

Another writer talked about her new Jim Thorpe bio, focusing on his bb for this section. I guess I didn't ever know that Pop Warner was famous for having been Jim Thorpe's coach and I gather, something of an exploiter of Thorpe. Thorpe drank wood alcohol and other nasty hooch during prohibition that made him a mean crazy drunk.

John Thorn, who was named MLB's official historian last week,discussed his newly-published proto-history of baseball, Baseball in the Garden of Eden. I wound up going home with a copy of that.

Kong76
Mar 05 2011 06:57 PM
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One of these years I'm gonna show up again, had a conflict
this afternoon. The last two years I was afraid to go, I never
did tell you that silly story.

Edgy DC
Mar 05 2011 09:40 PM
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That could pretty much sum up too many bios of too many almost great folks who were born in the wrong time or wrong race or wrong family or wrong tax bracket.

He was exploited for strike one, unjustly treated for strike two, and the booze was strike three. Ugh.

Thorpe's college football career was almost a comic book joke. Beating the team's longjumpers sarcastically in street clothes, Warner sticks him on the track team and refuses to let the guy go out for football. When he reluctantly lets Thorpe practice with the team, thinking he'd quit after seeing how much less fun it is to run with guys hitting you, he grabs the ball runs through the defense like a hot knife through butter, turns around, runs back through them again, and flips the ball back to Warner.

He typically scored every point his team put on the board, running the ball, kicking the ball, returning the ball on defense. He once had a 92-yard touchdown run nullified by a teammate's penalty and he turned around and ran 97 yards for a score on the next play. His college career is filled with ridiculous Bugs Bunny scores like "Carlisle Indian Industrial School 44, Notre Dame 3."

Besides football and track, he did baseball (of course) and lacrosse, and was a champion ballroom dancer. Eat it, Bobby Valentine.

You look at some photos of famous jocks from the early 20th century, and you think, "Was that really their idea of an athletic frame back then?" but then you look at Thorpe and think, "Man, I'd start that guy in my lineup tomorrow."





Just a fantastic figure. To think he wound up as another Indian destroyed by alcohol. ugh.

TheOldMole
Mar 06 2011 06:39 AM
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In the classic Army-Carlisle game, the one where Pop Warner told his boys to go out and remember Wounded Knee, there were players on either side of the field who had played semi-pro ball the previous summer. Thorpe, not knowing any better, had played under his own name, which led to his disgrace and the stripping of his Olympic medals. Dwight Eisenhower had played under an assumed name...and what ever happened to him?


If anyone is interested in my as-yet-unpublished kid's novel about Jim Thorpe, let me know and I'll e-mail you the ms. Be nice if someone were reading it.