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John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 08:30 AM

Now that the Sitcom World Series is complete, I thought up another stupid Klassik Rawk game. This one is a little more involved and works like this: Players take turns guessing at the Top 100 (or 50?) Classic Rock songs of all time as determined by a list kept by the quizmaster (a "legit" one to be determined, not some weird Clear Channel oldies format). Each correct answer garners "points" corresponding to its placement on the list with all guesses off the list getting 101 points (or 51 if we're only going top 50). We continue guessing by round in order until all songs are guessed, at which point the player with the lowest combined points total is crowned the new (or defending) CPF Classic Rock Champion. Since FMan is the reigning CPFCR champ he is required to defend his belt. Others who want to join say so below and we'll determine an order and groundrules.

TransMonk Feb 18 2011 08:32 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In.

seawolf17 Feb 18 2011 08:37 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In it to win it.

Edgy DC Feb 18 2011 08:40 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I'm in because I'm born to ROCK!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 08:44 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Holy shit the Cars (not the New Cars) are back: [youtube]fpJQWGA1O8s[/youtube]

TransMonk Feb 18 2011 08:53 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

From Wiki: The new album, now titled Move Like This, is currently scheduled for release May 10th by Hear Music/Concord Music Group. The album's first single, "Sad Song", will be released to radio in March.

HahnSolo Feb 18 2011 08:54 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I'm in. I may need a rules explanation, however.

Willets Point Feb 18 2011 09:02 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Sure, why not.

metirish Feb 18 2011 09:18 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In like Flynn

Edgy DC Feb 18 2011 09:19 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Holy shit the Cars (not the New Cars) are back: [youtube]fpJQWGA1O8s[/youtube] Very new wavey. New wavier, in fact, than most of the Cars catalog. Sounds most like "The Dangerous Type."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 18 2011 09:20 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Oi. OI! In, like a runrounenyerteakehhle, nowhaimean?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 09:22 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

It's fucking incredible.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 09:35 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

HahnSolo wrote: I'm in. I may need a rules explanation, however. What Hahn said. Definitely what Hahn said.

metsguyinmichigan Feb 18 2011 09:44 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 09:58 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Rules are, I have a list of classic rock songs, ranked 100 to 1. When it's your turn, you guess one song that's on that list, with the goal of guessing those that are ranked the highest (i.e.: lowest on the countdown). All guesses in the top 100 get that number of points; all guesses not in the top 100 get 101 points. We'll go in turn (we'll draw for order then go up and down the list of contestants in rounds) until all 100 songs are guessed. Winner has the lowest point total. For example -- not using actual rankings -- let's say edgy draws first and guesses "Stairway to Heaven" It's the top-ranked song. He gets 1 point. Hahn Solo goes next and guesses "Bohemian Rhapsody" -- it's number 14, he gets 14 points. Irish guesses some Thin Lizzy song not on the list, he gets 101 points. I figure it will take several rounds before we complete it, and if things get hard maybe we can give clues or something.

HahnSolo Feb 18 2011 10:14 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Ahh, I get it now. Pretty cool set up. Should be fun.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 10:24 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

You could award 100 points for the highest ranked song and 99 points for the second highest ranked, etc. (Score of each song = 101 minus rank). This way is easier. The contestant with the highest score wins. And you won't have to add 101 pts. every time someone guesses incorrectly.

sharpie Feb 18 2011 12:01 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In.

metirish Feb 18 2011 01:20 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Why would I get 101 points for a song NOT on the list.......and really , Boys are Back in Town is on the list....if not the whole concept falls asunder.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 01:30 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

metirish wrote: Why would I get 101 points for a song NOT on the list.......and really , Boys are Back in Town is on the list....if not the whole concept falls asunder. LOL I think Batmag's plan for most points works too, I'd worry though that maybe if there are a few stumpers on this list everyone will be in negative territory. This is like golf.

seawolf17 Feb 18 2011 01:41 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

But it ISN'T golf. It's ROCK AND ROLL, which is about as un-golf as you can get.* *unless you're Alice Cooper

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 01:42 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

If wrong answers are worth zero points, then you won't have to go to the trouble of calculating negative numbers. OTOH, you might want to penalize wrong answers to maintain supense as the contest progresses. It's likely that the last remaining unsolved songs will be worth the least number of points: without penalties, the game might be clinched too soon. It's your call.

Edgy DC Feb 18 2011 01:45 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Yeah, I think you should get 100 points for naming the #100 song --- as that would be most elusive --- and one point for naming the top song, as that is the most gettable.

seawolf17 Feb 18 2011 01:46 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, I think you should get 100 points for naming the #100 song --- as that would be most elusive --- and one point for naming the top song, as that is the most gettable. Plus, then there are some decisions to make. Do I pick "Stairway" for the easy points? Or do I waste a pick on "Desperado"?

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 01:49 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, I think you should get 100 points for naming the #100 song --- as that would be most elusive --- and one point for naming the top song, as that is the most gettable. That'll work, too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 01:57 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Yeah, I think you should get 100 points for naming the #100 song --- as that would be most elusive --- and one point for naming the top song, as that is the most gettable. That'll work, too. I have no idea what you guys are saying here. My idea was low points wins: 1 for #1 100 for #100 101 for all not in the top 100 Is this a problem? You guys are suggesting... what?

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 02:30 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Me and Edgy are each proposing a scoring system in which the contestant with the most points wins. Under my system, the top ranked song is worth 100 pts, and so on. Edgy's way, the 100th ranked song is worth 100 pts., because that song should be tougher to guess. Most pts. Wins. We left it to you whether to penalize wrong answers (10 pt penalty, perhaps?).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 02:48 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Edgy's idea sort of works against the notion that the good players in this contest ought to be able to use their rock knowledge to deduce the 100th song after they see what comes in 70th, 80th, 90th etc. I'm not doing it that way. I suppose we can give 100 for #1 and so on as you suggest. Is deducting 1 point per wrong answer the same as scoring 101 in the other system though? I am stupid.

The Second Spitter Feb 18 2011 03:00 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I have no idea what this is about, but I like it.

Edgy DC Feb 18 2011 03:02 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I just like the 100th song getting the best score because it's the toughest to guess, and the highest risk to guess.

metirish Feb 18 2011 03:07 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I think JCL should proceed as he sees fit, let's get this started before it gets bogged down in technicalities.

Willets Point Feb 18 2011 03:10 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

metirish wrote: I think JCL should proceed as he sees fit, let's get this started before it gets bogged down in technicalities. I agree. I don't want this to be another clusterfuck like the Band Leadership Challenge.

metirish Feb 18 2011 03:14 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Willets Point wrote: metirish wrote: I think JCL should proceed as he sees fit, let's get this started before it gets bogged down in technicalities. I agree. I don't want this to be another clusterfuck like the Band Leadership Challenge. Any time I see the word clusterfuck I think of Heartbreak Ridge.

Willets Point Feb 18 2011 03:17 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

metirish wrote: metirish wrote: I think JCL should proceed as he sees fit, let's get this started before it gets bogged down in technicalities. I agree. I don't want this to be another clusterfuck like the Band Leadership Challenge. Any time I see the word clusterfuck I think of Heartbreak Ridge. Because it feels like love. (Oh wait, that's "Heartrbreak Beat")

metirish Feb 18 2011 03:22 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 18 2011 03:37 PM

Now that I think more about it Heartbreak Ridge had the rock & roll guy, Mario Van Peeples, it all fits.

The Second Spitter Feb 18 2011 03:31 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Edgy DC wrote: I just like the 100th song getting the best score because it's the toughest to guess, and the highest risk to guess. Makes sense. It would introduce a strategy element to the contest.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 18 2011 03:45 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

How about something not QUITE so drastic, but still weighted: 1-40 on list: 2 points 40-70 on list: 3 points 70-90 on list: 4 points 90-100 on list: 5 points Wrong guesses: -1 (or higher?) Do you "aim" for the bottom half? Or go for solid layups?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 04:42 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

s'ok. I can see the value in having an option to shoot the 3, but an appropriate penalty has to be there too. Feel free to keep the suggestions coming, I will mull it over the weekend, plus allow for additional entrants (Frayed Knot??). Be ready for a draw and combat on Tuesday morning! So far our contestants: FMan (defending champion) TransMonk Seawolf EdgyDC HahnSolo Willets Point Irish BatMags Second Spitter

sharpie Feb 18 2011 04:46 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Hey, you missed me. And I plan to win it.

metirish Feb 18 2011 05:23 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

sharpie wrote: Hey, you missed me. And I plan to win it. Hi Bono "waves"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2011 07:01 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

sharpie wrote: Hey, you missed me. And I plan to win it. Good luck. We're all counting on you!

Willets Point Feb 18 2011 07:03 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to win.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 18 2011 07:48 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

OI!

Rockin' Doc Feb 18 2011 08:14 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Count me in.

Fman99 Feb 18 2011 08:50 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Fuck. Yeah.

Frayed Knot Feb 18 2011 09:19 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Still not quite sure what we're doing here. Others are supposed to guess your Top-100?

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 09:37 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Is deducting 1 point per wrong answer the same as scoring 101 in the other system though? It's not the same. Your way is weird (though workable) because all points, whether rewarded or penalized, move in the same direction (positive). It's theoretically possible for the competing scoring systems to crown different champions given the same guesses made by the contestants. I recommend that you award positive numbers for correct answers and deduct positive numbers (or award negative numbers) for wrong answers. Also, a one point penalty will have a negligible effect on scoring since the total number of points awarded will be 5,050 (101 x 50). The real penalty will be the lost opportunity to score points for a correct song, rather than the proposd one point penalty deduction itself.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 18 2011 10:19 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Edgy's suggestion to award 100 pts. for the 100th song on the list might be fairer: that system neutralizes the random advantage one contestant might have over another by selecting first in a system that awards the most points for the songs atop the list.

TheOldMole Feb 19 2011 12:27 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

in

Gwreck Feb 19 2011 12:32 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 19 2011 06:22 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Still not quite sure what we're doing here. Others are supposed to guess your Top-100? I'm going to have a copy of a countdown list from a Name Brand Klassik Rawk radio station (I won't say the name or which list and no peeking in the meantime!) Your job is to guess the songs on it until all 100 slots are filled. Edgy's suggestion to award 100 pts. for the 100th song on the list might be fairer: that system neutralizes the random advantage one contestant might have over another by selecting first in a system that awards the most points for the songs atop the list. I was going to serpentine the batting order to neutralize that effect. Your way is weird (though workable) Yeah but at least I understand it.

TheOldMole Feb 19 2011 07:21 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Who cares what we're doing? Let's get started!

Edgy DC Feb 19 2011 07:57 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

The Old Mole --- still a teenager at heart.

TheOldMole Feb 19 2011 09:35 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Also, because I know I don't have a chance to win, the fine points of scoring are not so relevant to me.

TheOldMole Feb 19 2011 09:42 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

A Complete Idiot's Guide to the Edgy Scoring System: Award 10 points for 91-100, 9 points for 81-90, etc.

metsmarathon Feb 19 2011 10:44 AM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

i've got a good shot at getting either the most points, or the fewest, depending on the scoring method we end up with. count me and my musically illiterate self in.

Ashie62 Feb 19 2011 12:39 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Lets Rock!

Ashie62 Feb 19 2011 12:50 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: s'ok. I can see the value in having an option to shoot the 3, but an appropriate penalty has to be there too. Feel free to keep the suggestions coming, I will mull it over the weekend, plus allow for additional entrants (Frayed Knot??). Be ready for a draw and combat on Tuesday morning! So far our contestants: FMan (defending champion) TransMonk Seawolf EdgyDC HahnSolo Willets Point Irish BatMags Second Spitter Beam me in pleez..

Centerfield Feb 19 2011 01:24 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

In.

Fman99 Feb 19 2011 01:31 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: How about something not QUITE so drastic, but still weighted: 1-40 on list: 2 points 40-70 on list: 3 points 70-90 on list: 4 points 90-100 on list: 5 points Wrong guesses: -1 (or higher?) Do you "aim" for the bottom half? Or go for solid layups? As the defending champ, I like this proposal.

metsguyinmichigan Feb 19 2011 01:52 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: s'ok. I can see the value in having an option to shoot the 3, but an appropriate penalty has to be there too. Feel free to keep the suggestions coming, I will mull it over the weekend, plus allow for additional entrants (Frayed Knot??). Be ready for a draw and combat on Tuesday morning! So far our contestants: FMan (defending champion) TransMonk Seawolf EdgyDC HahnSolo Willets Point Irish BatMags Second Spitter Hey! You forgot me! Motown demands some R-E-S-P-E-C-T. :)

HahnSolo Feb 19 2011 06:56 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I actually like JCL's first suggestion. I look forward to the hilarity of my score going into the thousands.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 19 2011 08:41 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

Fman99 wrote: How about something not QUITE so drastic, but still weighted: 1-40 on list: 2 points 40-70 on list: 3 points 70-90 on list: 4 points 90-100 on list: 5 points Wrong guesses: -1 (or higher?) Do you "aim" for the bottom half? Or go for solid layups? As the defending champ, I like this proposal. I think filling in the top 10 should be worth something however, since that's what a champion ought to know. Yes there will be a few gimmees there, but I doubt they all get called in Round 1. What if we go: 1-10: 5 points 11-40: 2 points 41-70: 3 points 71-90: 4 points 91-100: 5 points Or, how about we designate as many 5-pointers on the top of the list as there are contestants? That way everyone gets a theoretical shot at one in the first round, then proceed to 40/70/90 as above?

Kong76 Feb 19 2011 08:46 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

I'm in, didn't read page 1 or 2 of the thread.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 19 2011 09:04 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: How about something not QUITE so drastic, but still weighted: 1-40 on list: 2 points 40-70 on list: 3 points 70-90 on list: 4 points 90-100 on list: 5 points Wrong guesses: -1 (or higher?) Do you "aim" for the bottom half? Or go for solid layups? As the defending champ, I like this proposal. I think filling in the top 10 should be worth something however, since that's what a champion ought to know. Yes there will be a few gimmees there, but I doubt they all get called in Round 1. What if we go: 1-10: 5 points 11-40: 2 points 41-70: 3 points 71-90: 4 points 91-100: 5 points Or, how about we designate as many 5-pointers on the top of the list as there are contestants? That way everyone gets a theoretical shot at one in the first round, then proceed to 40/70/90 as above? Don't pay any more attention to us and just do it already. Just do it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 19 2011 09:09 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Don't pay any more attention to us and just do it already. Just do it. I am. All wrong answers get a 1-point penalty, BatMags has been appointed official auditing scorekeeper. Starting soon.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 19 2011 09:13 PM Re: Klassik Rawk Championship II: Sign up

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Don't pay any more attention to us and just do it already. Just do it. I am. All wrong answers get a 1-point penalty, BatMags has been appointed official auditing scorekeeper. Starting soon. Really. Are you sure? Because I was the one that was always put in charge of the bank during my Monopoly days. That gig didn't last too long.