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John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 19 2011 01:26 PM

Came in a 7-0 game vs. nats with two bequeathed runners via Beato. Next two guys hit homers. Also a walk and a single, but avoided anything more.

Edgy DC Mar 19 2011 01:34 PM Re: Ollie

Bad. Nickeas is also down to .100 after going 0-4 against Atlanta.

Kong76 Mar 19 2011 02:50 PM Re: Ollie

Felt bad for Ollie there, I know that puts me in like a .073% group of Mets' fans. They need to cut bait next roster cut, like they did with Castillo the other day.

MFS62 Mar 19 2011 02:54 PM Re: Ollie

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: \Next two guys hit homers. Also a walk and a single, but avoided anything more. So, how was the rest of the play, Mrs. Lincoln? Later

Edgy DC Mar 19 2011 02:59 PM Re: Ollie

Kong76 wrote: Felt bad for Ollie there, I know that puts me in like a .073% group of Mets' fans. Wow! Company!

Kong76 Mar 19 2011 03:04 PM Re: Ollie

We're a rare breed.

Ceetar Mar 19 2011 03:08 PM Re: Ollie

Kong76 wrote: Felt bad for Ollie there, I know that puts me in like a .073% group of Mets' fans. They need to cut bait next roster cut, like they did with Castillo the other day. I'm with you. He probably won't pitch again unless in some odd twist he accepts a minor league assignment though, so maybe people can stop hating and start rooting for this team.

Willets Point Mar 19 2011 06:48 PM Re: Ollie

I am a big Ollie fan and am saddened and disappointed by his evident inability to be an effective big league pitcher. I wish for his sake and the team's sake he could get his stuff back. Yeah, he should be cut, but I'm not going to be snarky and cunty about it like so many Mets "fans" who take such glee in trashing one of their own.

themetfairy Mar 19 2011 07:55 PM Re: Ollie

Tonight's replay of the game omitted Ollie's inauspicious outing.

metirish Mar 19 2011 08:05 PM Re: Ollie

Willets Point wrote: I am a big Ollie fan and am saddened and disappointed by his evident inability to be an effective big league pitcher. I wish for his sake and the team's sake he could get his stuff back. Yeah, he should be cut, but I'm not going to be snarky and cunty about it like so many Mets "fans" who take such glee in trashing one of their own. this

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 19 2011 09:03 PM Re: Ollie

I'm not full of glee. But there are plenty for whom I feel worse.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 19 2011 09:09 PM Re: Ollie

themetfairy wrote: Tonight's replay of the game omitted Ollie's inauspicious outing. That's kind of disturbing, you know Ollie will be all over the papers tmw.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 19 2011 09:09 PM Re: Ollie Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 19 2011 09:24 PM

I feel bad for myself. I feel bad that I'm not the one in seven billion people that signs a $36 million contract when I'm 27 years old to pitch for the New York Mets.

metirish Mar 19 2011 09:10 PM Re: Ollie

Ollie hasn't been right since the day he got married , you could look it up if you wanted but trust me on that.

Rockin' Doc Mar 19 2011 09:12 PM Re: Ollie

Perez should have been Castillo's travel buddy.

Ceetar Mar 19 2011 09:43 PM Re: Ollie

metirish wrote: Willets Point wrote: I am a big Ollie fan and am saddened and disappointed by his evident inability to be an effective big league pitcher. I wish for his sake and the team's sake he could get his stuff back. Yeah, he should be cut, but I'm not going to be snarky and cunty about it like so many Mets "fans" who take such glee in trashing one of their own. this Yeah, he's sucking, can't get it together, and isn't effective, but releasing Ollie(or anyone) makes the Mets 0% better for 2011, and that's the ultimate goal.

G-Fafif Mar 19 2011 09:52 PM Re: Ollie

As I watched those homers interfere with traffic over Cape Canaveral, I hoped I heard the sound of a bandage being ripped off in one quick swipe. Ollie will be better off, the Mets will be better off. This is going on three years of utter ineffectiveness. I was entertaining notions, in my post-Castillo satisfaction, that Ollie still has talent, potential, a track record. The Nationals' pinch-hitting of righties against our potential lefty specialist dashed all that. Give me Byrdak. Give me O'Connor. Give me Misch. Whoever emerges as a lefty in the pen looms as a better option.

Ceetar Mar 19 2011 10:48 PM Re: Ollie

G-Fafif wrote: As I watched those homers interfere with traffic over Cape Canaveral, I hoped I heard the sound of a bandage being ripped off in one quick swipe. Ollie will be better off, the Mets will be better off. This is going on three years of utter ineffectiveness. I was entertaining notions, in my post-Castillo satisfaction, that Ollie still has talent, potential, a track record. The Nationals' pinch-hitting of righties against our potential lefty specialist dashed all that. Give me Byrdak. Give me O'Connor. Give me Misch. Whoever emerges as a lefty in the pen looms as a better option. I'm not sure that I'd be the over on Misch being better than Perez, but he's run out of time to make/recover that potential and talent to be effective here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 19 2011 11:00 PM Re: Ollie

G-Fafif wrote: The Nationals' pinch-hitting of righties against our potential lefty specialist dashed all that. Those righties: 1) Jeff Frazier, AAAA OF, career .276/.327/.424 in the minors. 2) Brian Bixler, AAAA SS, 42 career HRs in 3200+ PAs in the minors.

The Second Spitter Mar 19 2011 11:11 PM Re: Ollie

Felt bad for Ollie there, I know that puts me in like a .073% group of Mets' fans. They need to cut bait next roster cut, like they did with Castillo the other day. I'm with you. He probably won't pitch again unless in some odd twist he accepts a minor league assignment though, so maybe people can stop hating and start rooting for this team. You're all a bunch of hypocrites -- if Ollie was Hispanic everybody would be wishing for him to be cut. OE: I nominate the above for the "Mets Reference Hell" list -- speaking of which, I think the MRH thread needs an update (I'm bursting with fresh ideas).

Edgy DC Mar 20 2011 05:47 AM Re: Ollie

I don't know about everybody, but there's been a passionate movement to release him for a long time now. You know, trying to dicuss whether certain players have gotten fair shakes from their team's fan base doesn't mean everybody is accused of having Klan costumes or anything.

Ashie62 Mar 20 2011 06:07 AM Re: Ollie

It is not Ollie's fault he signed a fat three year contract. He can go to Buffalo or shop his 84 mph heater elsewhere.

The Second Spitter Mar 20 2011 06:35 AM Re: Ollie

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know about everybody, but there's been a passionate movement to release him for a long time now. You know, trying to dicuss whether certain players have gotten fair shakes from their team's fan base doesn't mean everybody is accused of having Klan costumes or anything. I realize that -- it's probably not the best idea to quote me on stuff when I being stupid.

The Second Spitter Mar 20 2011 07:07 AM Re: Ollie

Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure that I'd be the over on Misch being better than Perez, but he's run out of time to make/recover that potential and talent to be effective here. I'm not sure Misch has done anything not to warrant him getting the nod ahead of Ollie. But cutting Ollie without exploring other solutions is just profligate. If I can suggest but one, put him down for extended ST, and then send him to the Jacket's clinic. With impending free agency looming, I'm sure he could be persuaded that it's in everybody's best interest. It's not like a pitcher losing it before 30 and then finding it again, is without precedent. I have the utmost faith that current regime understands this.

Edgy DC Mar 20 2011 10:51 AM Re: Ollie

The Second Spitter wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't know about everybody, but there's been a passionate movement to release him for a long time now. You know, trying to dicuss whether certain players have gotten fair shakes from their team's fan base doesn't mean everybody is accused of having Klan costumes or anything. I realize that -- it's probably not the best idea to quote me on stuff when I being stupid. Yeah, me know. I should have made that point elsewhere and elsewise. Re-reading now, it looks like I was trying to hammer it in particular at you and I wasn't. Sorry about that.

Ashie62 Mar 20 2011 10:53 AM Re: Ollie

Is anyone here going to be upset when/if Ollie leaves?

MFS62 Mar 20 2011 11:02 AM Re: Ollie

Ashie62 wrote: Is anyone here going to be upset when/if Ollie leaves? Depends on how he leaves. If he can show enough so that he either doesn't have to leave (he can be productive in some role for the Mets), or if he can be traded for a productive player, I'd be ok with that. If he were to just be released, I'd be upset over the waste of resources that will yield nothing in return this year. Nothing against Ollie personally. I think in Accounting they call it opportunity cost. Later

The Second Spitter Mar 20 2011 11:10 AM Re: Ollie

Sunk cost = not being able to recoup a players salary because he has no value. Opportunity cost = not letting a more productive player take ollie's spot on the roster.

metirish Mar 20 2011 02:43 PM Re: Ollie

Can't say I'll be upset , it's been coming it seems forever so any shock is gone. All signs point towards an early tomorrow morning release.

Lefty Specialist Mar 20 2011 02:55 PM Re: Ollie

I'll be upset if he DOESN'T leave.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 21 2011 06:14 AM Re: Ollie

Ceetar wrote: Yeah, [Ollie's] sucking, can't get it together, and isn't effective, but releasing Ollie(or anyone) makes the Mets 0% better for 2011.... You are so pessimistic.

metirish Mar 21 2011 06:24 AM Re: Ollie

Ollie is gone, released.

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 06:25 AM Re: Ollie

Fuck me.

bmfc1 Mar 21 2011 06:41 AM Re: Ollie

HOORAY! It happened way too late but it finally happened. Sandy has the nerve that Omar lacked. I just wish that they did it before ST began to avoid wasting any time on him. Good riddance.

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 06:55 AM Re: Ollie

Whether Sandy will be so eager to wield the axe on one of his own signings remains to be seen. Although, with $18M flushed away in the last couple of days the bar is set pretty high (or should that be low?).

metirish Mar 21 2011 07:02 AM Re: Ollie

By Adam Rubin Oliver Perez was informed he was being released by the New York Mets on Monday morning, with the club eating his $12 million owed. The Mets also had eaten $6 million owed to Luis Castillo three days earlier. "When they told me, I almost knew what they were going to tell me," Perez said. "It's one of those times you don't feel great, but I don't want to quit. I think I've got more in my career." Perez indicated he believed he got a fair shot from the Mets' new regime. "I think they gave me an opportunity," he said. "They were fair with me when I came here. 'We're going to give you an opportunity to be a starter.' I didn't do anything great. They moved me to the bullpen trying to be a lefty specialist. And the last game, that was a real horrible job."

Frayed Knot Mar 21 2011 07:12 AM Re: Ollie

At least Rubin words things with a bit more tact (and better syntax) than does Puma over at the Post: The Mets’ long, national nightmare is over. Oliver Perez is history with the Mets, after Monday morning receiving word from general manager Sandy Alderson and manager Terry Collins that he would be released. The putrid lefty appeared in the team’s clubhouse at 8:15 a.m. and began shaking hands with players ...

Ceetar Mar 21 2011 07:14 AM Re: Ollie

At least Rubin words things with a bit more tact (and better syntax) than does Puma over at the Post: The Mets’ long, national nightmare is over. Oliver Perez is history with the Mets, after Monday morning receiving word from general manager Sandy Alderson and manager Terry Collins that he would be released. The putrid lefty appeared in the team’s clubhouse at 8:15 a.m. and began shaking hands with players ... Working it like that is what most fans want to hear, so it sells better. also explains their attitudes and jokes regarding them.

metirish Mar 21 2011 07:15 AM Re: Ollie

Would expect noting less from the Puma, whenever I see "national nightmare" in a sport column I tend not to read on.

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 07:37 AM Re: Ollie

At least Rubin words things with a bit more tact (and better syntax) than does Puma over at the Post: The Mets’ long, national nightmare is over. Oliver Perez is history with the Mets, after Monday morning receiving word from general manager Sandy Alderson and manager Terry Collins that he would be released. The putrid lefty appeared in the team’s clubhouse at 8:15 a.m. and began shaking hands with players ... Working it like that is what most fans want to hear, so it sells better. also explains their attitudes and jokes regarding them. It's awful. (Let's add "long national nightmare" to Reference Hell.)

MFS62 Mar 21 2011 08:00 AM Re: Ollie

Wow! They released Ollie. Never saw that one coming. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 21 2011 09:10 AM Re: Ollie

At least Rubin words things with a bit more tact (and better syntax) than does Puma over at the Post: The Mets’ long, national nightmare is over. Oliver Perez is history with the Mets, after Monday morning receiving word from general manager Sandy Alderson and manager Terry Collins that he would be released. The putrid lefty appeared in the team’s clubhouse at 8:15 a.m. and began shaking hands with players ... Well, it's not my taste. But to my mind, he's owed a ton of leeway, following the credibility bump that dead-on Luis Hernandez story bought him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 21 2011 08:48 PM Re: Ollie

Interesting. This would kinda smell like old-school Pops Steinbrenner, no? Yankees people have discussed ollie as cheap sign. Initial read: cashman not that enthused. Dbacks, w towers ties, best hope? about 3 hours ago via Mobile Web

bmfc1 Mar 23 2011 01:28 PM Re: Ollie

Perez to the Nationals. To my friends that root for my local team: "HA-HA!"

Ceetar Mar 23 2011 01:34 PM Re: Ollie

bmfc1 wrote: Perez to the Nationals. To my friends that root for my local team: "HA-HA!" Well, not really. They'll either 'fix' him or he'll never make the majors. at least, you would have to assume. They're not handicapped by anything, he's not even going to be on the 40 man.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 23 2011 01:35 PM Re: Ollie

Yeah. The bigger HA HA should be directed at the team paying him the $12 million.

bmfc1 Mar 23 2011 01:43 PM Re: Ollie

Just his being around them has a negative effect. My crazy Nats fan friend tweeted "Nooooo!"

Ceetar Mar 23 2011 02:01 PM Re: Ollie

He can hang and pitch with Chien Ming Wang down where ever Nats minor leaguers pitch.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 23 2011 03:45 PM Re: Ollie

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yeah. The bigger HA HA should be directed at the team paying him the $12 million. I'd hate to be THOSE poor bastards! Oh, wait....

Ceetar Mar 23 2011 03:49 PM Re: Ollie

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yeah. The bigger HA HA should be directed at the team paying him the $12 million. I'd hate to be THOSE poor bastards! Oh, wait.... Should we be rooting for him to get semi-straightened out and make the team to save the mets 400k?

seawolf17 Mar 23 2011 03:51 PM Re: Ollie

Two guys I wanted off my team are now off my team, but they've gone to division rivals. This concerns me, for no really good reason.

G-Fafif Mar 23 2011 05:35 PM Re: Ollie

So NOW he's a fan of minor league contracts.

Ashie62 Mar 23 2011 05:39 PM Re: Ollie

Ceetar wrote: He can hang and pitch with Chien Ming Wang down where ever Nats minor leaguers pitch. Now thats funny.

Fman99 Mar 23 2011 06:13 PM Re: Ollie

Ashie62 wrote: Ceetar wrote: He can hang and pitch with Chien Ming Wang down where ever Nats minor leaguers pitch. Now thats funny. They happen to play right here in beautiful Syracuse, New York! (It snowed four inches today. The Chiefs season starts in 15 days.)

Willets Point Mar 23 2011 07:05 PM Re: Ollie

Wow, some objective and well-written insight regarding Oliver Perez and the Mets.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 23 2011 08:46 PM Re: Ollie

Willets Point wrote: Wow, some objective and well-written insight regarding Oliver Perez and the Mets. I think many of the fans campaigning for Ollicide signed off on his contract at the time, it was his arriving to camp in poor shape in '09 and refusal to accept the demotion in '10 that really turned them on him. I was in favor of the contract at the time and would do it again, probably.

metirish Mar 23 2011 08:55 PM Re: Ollie

I recall being quite chuffed for Ollie and his contract...

Vic Sage Mar 23 2011 09:15 PM Re: Ollie

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Willets Point wrote: Wow, some objective and well-written insight regarding Oliver Perez and the Mets. I think many of the fans campaigning for Ollicide signed off on his contract at the time, it was his arriving to camp in poor shape in '09 and refusal to accept the demotion in '10 that really turned them on him. I was in favor of the contract at the time and would do it again, probably. this. I remember when Trachsel was crap and was asked to go down, and he did. and he came back better. I never had any use for Trax before that (the human rain delay drove me crazy on the mound), but i gave him props for going down, working hard, and coming back stronger. Yes, Ollie had the right to say no. That didnt make it the right thing to do. Ollie can suck it.

The Second Spitter Mar 23 2011 11:17 PM Re: Ollie

I certainly preferred Ollie over Derek Lowe -- but the size of his contract was perplexing as it appeared the market for him was non-existant, and that Omar was only bidding against himself (IIRC The only other team mentioned were the Orioles, but they're linked with every starting pitcher that goes on market). Like Castillo's contract, many fans saw it as a non-arm's length arrangement, which was why they turned on him so quickly when things went sour.