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Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 06:28 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Mar 21 2011 06:45 AM

I don't believe it. Thanks for pitching a fantastic Game 7 Ollie. I wish it turned out better.

metirish Mar 21 2011 06:31 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

There were few happier sights than seeing Ollie hop over the chalk after getting another out.....it was so long ago though.

themetfairy Mar 21 2011 06:46 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

The most persistent memory is watching him walk in the winning run in extra innings during the last game of the season. From that point on, whenever I thought of him, it was with a four letter word in front of his name. Here he is, leaving Citi Field as a Met for the final time -

G-Fafif Mar 21 2011 06:51 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Positives: Threw some great games in '07 and '08 against the Braves and the MFYs. Most glaring negative (besides the not agreeing to go to Buffalo for a few weeks): Batting practice for the Diamondbacks on HOF day last August 1. From there it was clear we were just marking time. No. 6 on the depth chart wound up pitching Game 7, and we didn't suffer for it. All those glimpses and teases and flat out good performances is what made the Blassification of Oliver Perez so horrifying to view.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Mar 21 2011 06:57 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 21 2011 06:59 AM

2008 vs the Yankees and Phillies: 40.2 IP, 23 H, 39 K, 13 BB, 35 TB, 4 R

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 06:59 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2 ... ie-bomaye/

G-Fafif Mar 21 2011 07:07 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2007/04/22/ollie-bomaye/ Ah, you read my mind. I was fond of this moment in time, too. Goes off in other directions, but recounting Perez outdueling the last MFY incarnation of Clemens was a great way to spend a Saturday morning.

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 07:23 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

I still believe he would have been a different pitcher if he had won the NL Cy Young when he rightfully should have. I remember reading an article circa 2006 to this effect. Pity I can't find the article online.

seawolf17 Mar 21 2011 07:27 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Pitched HUGE in big spots, otherwise largely worthless. One of the great Met enigmas. I look forward to him winning a Cy Young Award with Cleveland in 2016.

Ashie62 Mar 21 2011 07:30 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

I will remember Ollie is being the best "second tier" starter available as a free agent when Minaya signed him.

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 07:36 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Because Bucket is too choked up to type at the moment, he's thinking : You were my greatest 46.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 21 2011 07:59 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Hopefully he'll be remembered for the way he stepped up in Game 7, 2006 NLCS. But I don't think that will happen. I think he'll mostly be remembered for the three-year contract and its aftermath.

MFS62 Mar 21 2011 08:03 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

He was either very good or very bad. And you never knew which he would be on a given day. Later

HahnSolo Mar 21 2011 08:04 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

seawolf17 wrote: Pitched HUGE in big spots, otherwise largely worthless. One of the great Met enigmas. I look forward to him winning a Cy Young Award with Cleveland in 2016. Some not-huge moments in big spots too: 2007 final start, the first of the season-ending 3-game series with the Marlins. The division heading into the game is tied. Ollie's line: 3.2 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB 2008, next to last start against the Cubs at Shea (the game mostly remembered for Wright not getting Murphy in from 3rd base with nobody out): 4.1 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 6 BB This one infuriated me, as after Delgado hits a GS to give Mets a 5-1 lead, Ollie gave it right back. He also pitched the finale that year, and went 5.1 IP with 2 ER. Not terrible, but not huge.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 21 2011 08:35 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

That Cubs game will always stick with me. Not in an Ollie sense so much as I think it represented the death of the would-be 06 renaissance, the death of Shea Stadium, and the figurative shark over which the franchise jumped. I haven't felt the same about the Mets since. To be honest I've kind of been mad at them and feel like they deserve so much of the suffering they've endured. Ollie was exciting, having the potential to be spectacular any night and overpower good hitters. I was in favor of bringing him back. Now I think I'll remember him along with Ambiorix Burgos as the kind of high-potential arms that so attracted Omar only to burn him. Also, Jerry's Doghouse, which did him, the Mets and Ollie no favors.

The Second Spitter Mar 21 2011 08:45 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

That actually reminds me of the last game of 08, where the bullpen was shot to bits and they needed somebody to go deep. Ollie ran up a ridiculous pitch count and was pulled after 5.1. Afterwards Jerry said: "Oliver Perez gave us a great shot, but we couldn't get it done. We couldn't get it done." Soon after that his fat contract followed.

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 08:51 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Twentieth all-time in Metly strikeouts with 494. Tied for 32nd in wins with Ray Sadecki and Bret Saberhagen, with 29. Seventeenth in walks, with 301.

metsmarathon Mar 21 2011 08:56 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

it was still a good trade at the time, i think. the re-signing, on the other hand...

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 09:24 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

It was definitely the sort of hamfisted deal that a GM does to maintain a regime, belying the creative impulses it took to build one.

themetfairy Mar 21 2011 09:34 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Ollie's Last Day as a Met at Citi Field I post with a Creative Commons License, so all I ask is for a photo credit if anyone decides to repost any of these pix.

Gwreck Mar 21 2011 10:32 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That Cubs game will always stick with me. Not in an Ollie sense so much as I think it represented the death of the would-be 06 renaissance, the death of Shea Stadium, and the figurative shark over which the franchise jumped. I haven't felt the same about the Mets since. To be honest I've kind of been mad at them and feel like they deserve so much of the suffering they've endured. How depressing. Yet I agree 98%. Went back and looked at that game. Top of the 10th, Luis Ayala retires the first two batters before allowing, in order, single, double and home run. Mets lose 9-6.

seawolf17 Mar 21 2011 10:36 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Gwreck wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That Cubs game will always stick with me. Not in an Ollie sense so much as I think it represented the death of the would-be 06 renaissance, the death of Shea Stadium, and the figurative shark over which the franchise jumped. I haven't felt the same about the Mets since. To be honest I've kind of been mad at them and feel like they deserve so much of the suffering they've endured. How depressing. Yet I agree 98%. Went back and looked at that game. Top of the 10th, Luis Ayala retires the first two batters before allowing, in order, single, double and home run. Mets lose 9-6. That was my last in-person Shea Stadium experience. Got there when they opened the gates, spent hours just soaking it all in.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 21 2011 10:39 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 21 2011 10:39 AM

Gwreck wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That Cubs game will always stick with me. Not in an Ollie sense so much as I think it represented the death of the would-be 06 renaissance, the death of Shea Stadium, and the figurative shark over which the franchise jumped. I haven't felt the same about the Mets since. To be honest I've kind of been mad at them and feel like they deserve so much of the suffering they've endured. How depressing. Yet I agree 98%. Went back and looked at that game. Top of the 10th, Luis Ayala retires the first two batters before allowing, in order, single, double and home run. Mets lose 9-6. Bears repeating that the Cubs had absolutely nothing to play for. They'd already assured their spot in the postseason and were going about resting their starters. Losing this game was like what it'd feel like had we blown that 20-inning debacle last spring. I was in a black, black mood that night.

Chad Ochoseis Mar 21 2011 10:39 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

The Ollie trade - making some sweet lemonade out of the punch to the lemons that was the Duaner Sanchez injury - was probably Omar's finest moment. The 2008 signing was probably his worst. Though I admit that I liked it at the time. The choices were to sign Ollie, sign Derek Lowe, or raise the white flag. In the winter of 2008, Ollie looked like the best option of the three.

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 10:49 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Other coourageous options would be to trust your system to produce a replacement or trust your scouts to find one.

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 10:55 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

That offseason including some of the most wasteful uses of the Met resources so as almost to seem paranoid. [list:1ecqaunb][*:1ecqaunb]The Rodriguez siginging.[/*:m:1ecqaunb] [*:1ecqaunb]The Heilman/Chavez/Smith/Vargas/Carp/Carrera/Cleto-for-Putz/Green/Jeremy Reed trade.[/*:m:1ecqaunb] [*:1ecqaunb]The Schoeneweiss signing.[/*:m:1ecqaunb] [*:1ecqaunb]The Perez signing.[/*:m:1ecqaunb][/list:u:1ecqaunb]

G-Fafif Mar 21 2011 10:57 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Edgy DC wrote: That offseason including some of the most wasteful uses of the Met resources so as almost to seem paranoid. [list][*]The Rodriguez siginging.[/*:m] [*]The Heilman/Chavez/Smith/Vargas/Carp/Carrera/Cleto-for-Putz/Green/Jeremy Reed trade.[/*:m] [*]The Schoeneweiss signing.[/*:m] [*]The Perez signing.[/*:m][/list:u] Schoeneweis was let go that offseason.

G-Fafif Mar 21 2011 10:58 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Perhaps you're thinking Tim Redding?

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 11:00 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Or failing to think entirely.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 21 2011 11:05 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Gambling on a few one-year recovery projects-- then trading for midseason help as appropriate-- might have worked, too. Really, more than anything, I just feel cheated out of our rightful 8-walk no-hitter in a loss. I was sure that was coming sometime. Thanks for the fantasy help in 2004, big guy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 21 2011 11:07 AM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: G Really, more than anything, I just feel cheated out of our rightful 8-walk no-hitter in a loss. I was sure that was coming sometime. awesome

Fman99 Mar 21 2011 07:25 PM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

The first thing I think of is him, standing on the mound, incredulous, in 2006 LCS game 7 as Endy Chavez bails him out with the greatest catch I ever saw happen in real time (on TV, but still). All those moments of him sucking three years of roster cock, I'll try not to think about.

Ceetar Mar 21 2011 07:33 PM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Fman99 wrote: The first thing I think of is him, standing on the mound, incredulous, in 2006 LCS game 7 as Endy Chavez bails him out with the greatest catch I ever saw happen in real time (on TV, but still). All those moments of him sucking three years of roster cock, I'll try not to think about.

TransMonk Mar 21 2011 08:27 PM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

I'll remember that he looked better without the douchebag facial hair.

Edgy DC Mar 21 2011 08:56 PM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez

Welll, the band has another new name. Roster Cock Appearing Live at The Diamond Mine Opening Set by Douchebag Facial Hair at 7:00

batmagadanleadoff Mar 21 2011 10:48 PM Re: Memories of Óliver Pérez Martínez