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Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

Gwreck Mar 29 2011 11:59 PM

Did this last year as well. (Check out where Pagan and Bay were, compared to now). C McCann Buck Ruiz Thole Pudge 1B Howard Davis LaRoche Sanchez Freeman 2B Uggla Infante Emaus Espinosa Castillo 3B Zimmerman Wright Jones Polanco Murphy/Bonifacio SS Ramirez Reyes Rollins Gonzalez Desmond LF Ibanez Prado Bay Morse Morrison CF Pagan Victorino Coghlan Ankiel McLouth RF Werth Heyward Stanton Beltran Francisco

Ceetar Mar 30 2011 06:04 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

The only one I have a real quibble with is RF. Are your assumptions cumulative? games played? As of right now I'd be Beltran at the top of that list, or second. Actually, I might swap Ibanez and Prado too, but nitpicking perhaps. I think Thole will move up two spaces this year, as will Bay. I think Wright, Reyes and Ike all have (in that order) chances to take back #1.

Edgy DC Mar 30 2011 06:15 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

Only passingly scientific, but let's add it up. Pos Team Atlanta Florida New York Philadelphia Washington C McCann 5 Buck 4 Thole 2 Ruiz 3 Rodriguez 1 1b Freeman 1 Sanchez 2 Davis 4 Howard 5 LaRoche 3 2b Uggla 5 Infante 4 Emaus 3 ????? 1 Espinosa 2 3b Jones 3 Mur./Bon. 1 Wright 4 Polanco 2 Zimmerman 5 ss Gonzalez 2 Ramierez 5 Reyes 4 Rollins 3 Desmond 1 lf Prado 4 Morrison 1 Bay 3 Ibanez 5 Morse 2 cf McLouth 1 Coghlan 3 Pagan 5 Victorino 4 Ankiel 2 rf Heyward 4 Stanton 3 Beltran 2 Francisco 1 Werth 5 Total Sum 25 Sum 23 Sum 27 Sum 24 Sum 21 Nice, considering the alternative, but it looks like a wash (except that Washington is faking it at so many positions). But a big part is sorting out what the likelihood is of guys holding up and how good their backups are. Who is most likely to get hurt? Who is most likely to come along? Will Philly get their secondbaseman back? Will Washington get their catcher? Jones and Beltran may well give thier teams an all star season or give them nothing.

The Second Spitter Mar 30 2011 06:17 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

Ceetar wrote: I think Thole will move up two spaces this year, [...] Nah, but 4th is ok, when you have 3 AS catchers in front of you. Buck could regress into a Barajas-scratch lottery-type hitter*, but Ruiz isn't gonna drop 30 OPS+ points to Thole. *Hey Albilly, if you trademarked that phrase, you probably could have retired by now.

metirish Mar 30 2011 06:33 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

LF in the NL East is pretty shallow right? .

Ceetar Mar 30 2011 06:48 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

The Second Spitter wrote: Ceetar wrote: I think Thole will move up two spaces this year, [...] Nah, but 4th is ok, when you have 3 AS catchers in front of you. Buck could regress into a Barajas-scratch lottery-type hitter*, but Ruiz isn't gonna drop 30 OPS+ points to Thole. *Hey Albilly, if you trademarked that phrase, you probably could have retired by now. I've never been a big fan of Ruiz. How about "closes the gap to make it less clear who's 2nd and who's 4th?" Honestly, given his rookieness, i'm not even sure Thole should be 4th.

Gwreck Mar 30 2011 08:49 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

Ceetar wrote: The only one I have a real quibble with is RF. Are your assumptions cumulative? games played? As of right now I'd be Beltran at the top of that list, or second. Nothing scientific; just ordering the players based on how good they are relative to each other right now. Of course past performance and future expectations are factors in the evaluation but right now, Carlos Beltran is not a better player than Werth or Heyward. Maybe you could put him at 3 ahead of Stanton.

Ceetar Mar 30 2011 09:09 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: The only one I have a real quibble with is RF. Are your assumptions cumulative? games played? As of right now I'd be Beltran at the top of that list, or second. Nothing scientific; just ordering the players based on how good they are relative to each other right now. Of course past performance and future expectations are factors in the evaluation but right now, Carlos Beltran is not a better player than Werth or Heyward. Maybe you could put him at 3 ahead of Stanton. personally I disagree. But that's fine. It's almost time to prove it anyway. MLB The Show 2011 has Stanton batting cleanup and the announcers talk about him like he's Albert Pujols.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 30 2011 11:13 AM Re: Ranking the 2011 NL East Starters

CATCHER Buck has a career OBP of just about .300, the 20 HR from last year are his career high by a bunch, and he's just okay behind the plate, by all reports. I can't see putting him ahead of the Thole/Paulino platoon. By year's end, assuming modest progress/regression (respectively) Thole himself should slide right past Buck. LEFT FIELD Flip Ibanez and Prado... and maybe Ibanez slots behind Bay (assuming the rib isn't a real "thing"). Ibanez was never a good LF defensively, and he's getting worse as he gets creakier; the power seems to be going, too. He's a lefty latter-day Alou at this point. CENTER FIELD Coghlan was iffy in LEFT. He's bound to continue the Marlins' fine defensive tradition in center this year... if not amplify it.