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Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011
Frayed Knot Apr 10 2011 08:52 AM |
Director of, among others, 'Twelve Angry Men', 'Network', 'Serpico' and 'Dog Day Afternoon'
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 10 2011 12:11 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
I never really think of Lumet as one of my favorite directors, 'cause his stuff's never showy or visually quirky.
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Edgy MD Apr 10 2011 01:34 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
Also worth considering: There's Pacino (a fine actor), Pacino with DePalma (a cartoon), and Pacino with Lumet (a revelation).
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 10 2011 08:30 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
Or, hell, Newman and Lumet, or Treat Williams and Lumet, or Phoenix and Lumet, or Hawke and Lumet.
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Vic Sage Apr 11 2011 04:05 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
Sidney Lumet – a selected filmography
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Edgy MD Apr 11 2011 06:47 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
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That's casting. We're making a film about a blackout alcoholic. Let's cast the woman who is worldwide known to be the healthiest female on the planet.
It's like he asked himself, "What's the greatest challenge a director of actors can give himself? Melanie Griffith, undercover cop. No, wait. Melanie Griffith, undercover cop among the Hasidim. There we go."
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Vic Sage Apr 11 2011 09:39 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
the last 25 years of his career are littered with such head-scratching decisions.
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Frayed Knot Apr 12 2011 06:30 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
I always found: Melanie Griffith = Actress to be a big enough stretch.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 12 2011 07:16 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
The Mets as usual missed a giant opportunity to say thanks to a great New Yorker and excite their fans when they didn;t play the 'Network' clip on the big screen to pump the fans up, preferring instead some lame Kevin James scene-chewing. I scored that as another error for the home team and the 8th inning rally fell short.
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Edgy MD Apr 12 2011 07:20 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
The Wiz is crazy. Cassting a mid-30s Diana Ross as the sweet young innocent fantasy voyager is a tough enough row to hoe, but finding a way to balance Lumet's 1970s urban realism with the surreal fantasy of a Wizard of Oz musical adaptation is a whole tough field. But it's not without it's graces and it's surprisingly watchable to me.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 12 2011 07:27 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
The thing is, they used to play it all the time until they found out it co$t something.
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MFS62 Apr 12 2011 09:11 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
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I guess it wasn't your beshert. Later
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Vic Sage Apr 12 2011 09:35 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
"it"? you mean the movie? or Melanie Griffith?
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RealityChuck Apr 12 2011 11:18 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
I tend to agree with Andrew Sarris's assessment of him: Strained Seriousness. His films just tried too hard and nearly always left a bad taste in my mouth. He was Stanley Kramer's more talented twin: I have a MESSAGE and here is the MESSAGE.
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themetfairy Apr 12 2011 11:47 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
I love Network. We sat down with the boys and introduced them to it recently. Imperfect, but visionary.
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Vic Sage Apr 13 2011 11:33 AM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
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Yeah, except that Sarris' assessment of Lumet as "Strained Seriousness" was by way of including him in that category in his brilliant book AMERICAN CINEMA... written in 1968! His view might have been premature, don't you think? And as much as i love Sarris' work, and that book in particular, he missed the boat on a bunch of guys, including Billy Wilder. So don't just throw him around to vindicate your lack of respect for Lumet. If you don't like Sidney, you don't like him. But lets leave Mr. Sarris out of the discussion. and once you described NETWORK and THE VERDICT as badly overrated, you lost me anyway. Heavy handed? Dated? Yeah, maybe. But the first was absolutely prescient about our culture, and the 2nd packs an emotional wallop that has not gone away. And while it's certainly possible for a merely good director to make a great movie... how about 2 great movies? 4? 6? maybe 10? At some point, one must acknowledge that the one and only criteria for a director to be great is for him/her to have made a number of great movies. Lumet has made at least a few, and so is in the discussion, at least. He is often dismissed because his filmmaking wasn't particularly "cinematic" (i.e., not much razzle, and short on dazzle), and long on performance and theme (often pooh-poohed as stagey), and perhaps his strengths would've been better served in the theater than in film, but he was a pretty darn good storyteller, and that's the name of that tune.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2011 12:12 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
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Nice job, Vic. I watch the mostly unwatchable Bye Bye Braverman at least every two years. It's an awful movie -- tedious -- a humorless comedy. Imagine your least favorite Woody Allen movie, but three times as bad. But I'm mesmerized by the late 60's on location NYC scenery. I'd guess that more than half the movie is filmed outdoors -- as the main characters set out on a wild goose chase trying to locate the precise funeral home that's hosting the services for their late friend, Braverman (the premise of this movie). I'm gonna make it a point to watch The Anderson Tapes, a first for me, thanks to your synopsis.
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Vic Sage Apr 13 2011 01:25 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
we had a thread at one time about movies shot in or about NYC... if you're hard up enough for such views to sit thru BRAVERMAN, there are probably some better alternatives to consider.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 13 2011 01:33 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
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This. And it's because of this that the films of his that I like/love only grow in my esteem as I get older and less married to spectacle/flash. If Garcia had been a LITTLE less shitty/miscast, Night Falls On Manhattan would've worked a lot better. I'm now morbidly curious about Bye Bye Braverman.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2011 02:01 PM Re: Sidney Lumet -- 1924-2011 |
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Here's the most thorough review I could find on the web. The cast includes Jessica Walter, whom I know you know as the matriarch of the Family Bluth. Auto accident at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Bedford Avenue Big Daddy's Restaurant, Coney Island Avenue
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