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soupcan Apr 18 2011 08:19 AM

So, since a few of us had mentioned we were planning to watch it, what did you think? I liked it. Not in love with it...yet. I was a big fan of 'Rome' so I was hoping for something like that. What I think I'm getting is sort of a cross between Russel Crowe's 'Gladiator' (big fan) and the 'Lord Of The Rings' movies (not such a big fan). It definitely has potential and once I commit to a series I'm usually all-in no matter what. The propensity of naked women and sex though, does have a certain allure.

metirish Apr 18 2011 08:39 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

WW...wasn't watching ....had a friend over who happens to be a MFY fan so we watched the game. I assume GOT will be repeated tonight? having said that I never cared for Rome but loved Gladiator .

Centerfield Apr 18 2011 08:59 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

soupcan wrote: I liked it. Not in love with it...yet. I was a big fan of 'Rome' so I was hoping for something like that...It definitely has potential and once I commit to a series I'm usually all-in no matter what. The propensity of naked women and sex though, does have a certain allure. Yup.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2011 09:21 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Would you let a 15-year-old kid watch it?

soupcan Apr 18 2011 09:29 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Would you let a 15-year-old kid watch it? No, probably not, but I'm one of those idiot parents who thinks letting them see graphic violence is better then letting them see sex and nudity. The sex on GoT was not graphic - more just nude bodies mushing together, but there is incest and several scenes with naked ladies and what they call 'sexual situations'.

Centerfield Apr 18 2011 11:23 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Would you let a 15-year-old kid watch it? No.

soupcan Apr 18 2011 12:17 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

soupcan wrote: No, probably not, but I'm one of those idiot parents who thinks letting them see graphic violence is better then letting them see sex and nudity. Let me be clear - I think it but I don't allow it.

Elster88 Apr 18 2011 08:09 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

The first three books in this series were really good, if you like the fantasy sort of thing, and the first episode was pretty faithful to the books, including the really creepy parts so far. I can see this topic being split off, but I'm guessing 99% of the 15 year-olds that don't live in Utah have seen much more graphic sex online or at a buddy's house or on their middle school bus. I'm a non-parent so I fully understand that I don't appreciate shielding your kids from stuff, but once you were at that high school age weren't you already starting to do stuff yourself?

TheOldMole Apr 19 2011 09:34 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I haven't liked much of anything lately of the cable channel series. The Borgias is boring, I can't get involved in The Killing, hated Spartacus, watched the first ten minutes of Game of Thrones and not pulled into it yet, though I'll go back and watch the rest. Thank goodness Treme is coming back, even without John Goodman.

Centerfield Apr 19 2011 12:39 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm really sick of all these hand-me-downs from Boromir.

Vic Sage Apr 19 2011 01:50 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

i'm looking forward to it... i missed the 1st episode, but i'm confident they'll repeat it ad nauseum.

TransMonk Apr 19 2011 01:59 PM Re: Game Of Thrones Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 19 2011 02:06 PM

So, I started watching this last night, but fell asleep about 15 minutes in (it was late, I didn't doze off due to boredom). Can I ask those in the know: Without giving too much away, is this series going to be a fantasy thing (i.e., the inclusion of non-human/supernatural beings working magic and fairydom ala Lord of the Rings) or a "non-history based but could have happened back in the middle ages day" thing. During the opening sequence, I couldn't tell if I was watching a stylized interpretation of humans killing humans or something entirely unbelivable. I don't dig on fantasy, so the answer to this question will determine whether I give this show another shot. Edited for multiple spelling errors.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2011 02:03 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

TransMonk wrote: I don't dig on fantasy, so the answer to this question will determine whether I give this show another shot. I don't either, really. I think I read that there are dragons, don't know if there are wizards too. (I find dragons a lot more tolerable than wizards.) That's kind of why I was asking if it was suitable for a 15-year-old; I think my son would probably enjoy this more than I would. (He's seen R-rated stuff before. I've let him watch Inglorious Basterds, Kill Bill, Watchmen, and Rosemary's Baby.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2011 10:16 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if he's seen Christophe Waltz strangle a woman to death and Eli Roth slaughter a theater full of Nazi sympathizers, he'll be okay with suggested incest and swordplay. /Also, wizards rule; dragons can suck it

Vic Sage Apr 20 2011 11:14 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

caught up with the episode last night. the incest isn't "suggested"... its graphically depicted, in the doggie position. If your cool with your kid watching simulated sex scenes, then this is fine, i guess. Although, with regard to a 15-year old, i don't know how much control you really have over images he is exposed to, should he disagree with your assessment. I liked the episode, by the way. Its a polyglot world of medieval, middle-earthian, narnian societies, in political turmoil... sort of ROME meets LOTR. There will definitely be fantasy elements for those in doubt, based on the George RR Martin book series its based on. I don't get the faint-heartedness about "fantasy", by the way. Fantasy, like any other genre, can be done well or done poorly. If the fact a story might have dragons or unicorns keeps you from enjoying it, i'd suggest that has more to do with you than the story. I like to try and keep my mind open to all kinds of stories, all kinds of music, all kinds of paintings, all kinds of expression, without creating arbitrary barriers based on bad prior experiences. Do i have "preferences"? Sure, everybody has preferences, based on their past responses. And, presumably, everybody has limited time to consume new experiences so a process or filter for selection is generally needed. But selectivity based on "genre" rather than likelihood of quality seems like a pretty poor filter to me.

TransMonk Apr 20 2011 11:24 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: If the fact a story might have dragons or unicorns keeps you from enjoying it, i'd suggest that has more to do with you than the story. I completely agree. But it keeps me from enjoying it none-the-less. Fantasy bores the shit out of me. I've never made it through a Harry Potter or LOTR movie without falling asleep or wanting to do something (anything) else. And it's not for lack of trying. It's mostly because I have such a hard time believing in the plausability of Hollywood concoctions that don't envolve fantasy elements, that when elves or talking trees are added I just roll my eyes. I'll be the first to admit that it has to do with me, but it doesn't turn me off any less. I have an open mind to expression as well, but it's a matter of personal taste. Watching this type of stuff doesn't trip my trigger no matter how "well" it's created.

Ceetar Apr 20 2011 12:37 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Question: i recorded the first episode, but haven't watched it yet. Is it worthwhile for me to read the book first? Chances are I won't read it after i've seen the series. I'm also going to lose my recordings because i'mreplacing my DVD next week, so I can either watch the first two episodes, or lose them.

Centerfield May 31 2011 09:05 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Fun show. Really starting to pick up now. Some real surprises in the last two episodes.

Vic Sage Jun 02 2011 12:01 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

loving it. Emilia Clarke is h-h-hot.

soupcan Jun 02 2011 02:08 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Agree with you both. I can't wait for Sunday nights. Great writing, acting and production values. Is Emilia Clarke the prostitute?

Vic Sage Jun 02 2011 02:28 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

No, she is the white-haired exiled princess, Daenerys Targaryen, who is constantly getting shtupped by the great stallion, warlord Drogo. http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/vi ... &fr=my-myy http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/pla ... jq&newfp=1

soupcan Jun 02 2011 02:37 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Oh yeah...she's drool-worthy as well.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2011 10:57 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm running about a week behind with this series, and just saw Crown of Gold last night. That was a rather memorable ending.

soupcan Jun 10 2011 01:34 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm running about a week behind with this series, and just saw Crown of Gold last night. That was a rather memorable ending. Yeah really. How fast do you think you'd die after that? Gotta figure you just pass out right away from the pain, but does it eat right through your skull so fast?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2011 01:37 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

I was wondering about that too. I suspect the brain got baked. You can survive severe burns, but if the heat is applied directly to your head, and your head is encased like his was, that might explain it.

soupcan Jun 13 2011 08:53 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Talk about memorable endings! Wow! ...and the fantasy aspect is starting to kick in a little bit now - zombies, witches, etc. I like this show and wish it were 2 hours every week. How many books are in this series and how many seasons can they get out of it? I think 'True Blood' was loosely based on the Sookie Stackhouse books and then HBO just took it and ran in a whole other direction. Perhaps they could do that with this if it proves popular enough.

metirish Jun 13 2011 09:08 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I need to check this out , people here love it and twitter was going crazy last night about it.

seawolf17 Jun 13 2011 09:09 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Just got the book out of the library; it'll be my downtime reading this week in the 'Cuse.

soupcan Jun 13 2011 12:44 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Apparently there are five books in this series! Plenty of fodder for a continued run. + I just read that next week - Episode 10 - is the season finale but that HBO is already committed to at least a second season.

Elster88 Jun 13 2011 02:04 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

The fifth book just came out, and it was a long wait for the fifth. Be very careful if you get started on the books. The first three are great, but it's been five and a half years since the fourth came out. Since the HBO series is so popular, George RR Martin will probably finish what is supposedly a seven-novel series. At the very least I now have hope that [u:gbhpmsu6]someone[/u:gbhpmsu6] will finish it. So far, the series has been 100% faithful to the first book. It's fucking cool to see what people are saying as the TV series plays out. I'm almost jealous of anyone who is seeing it for the first time.

soupcan Jun 14 2011 07:03 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I read the whole 'Lonesome Dove' series last summer. 'Game of Thrones' is going to be this summer's project.

Vic Sage Jun 14 2011 10:48 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

did you see this hilarious youtube meltdown of a guy who was extremely upset about the events in the last episode, i.e., the fate of Ned Stark? i sympathize, but overreact much? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOoA1Otc ... dded#at=36

soupcan Jun 14 2011 12:36 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

What a moron. You know the same thing happens in 'Pillars Of The Earth'. Main character who the reader has a lot invested in is killed about halfway through the book. I had the same shocked feeling watching GoT episode 9 as I did when I was reading Pillars. And since I brought up 'Pillars Of The Earth' I'd just like to say that I loved that book and was so looking forward to that mini-series on Showtime. It was so bad that I didn't even watch it all the way through. Seeing what they've done with 'Game of Thrones' now - Pillars was even worse than I first thought.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2011 02:26 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm halfway through the fourth book, and it's kicking my ass all over the place. It's fascinating to me how Martin regularly kills off main characters.

TheOldMole Jul 21 2011 08:12 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I just finished the first book. I don't want to wait to start the second, but I've ordered it from the library ebook collection, so I'm waiting.

Ceetar Jul 21 2011 08:29 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

TheOldMole wrote: I just finished the first book. I don't want to wait to start the second, but I've ordered it from the library ebook collection, so I'm waiting. It's been a month since i finished the first book and requested teh second from the library. I got impatient, found a BN.com gift card, and now own all 5, also downloaded the HBO series last night.

soupcan Jul 21 2011 09:04 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm halfway through the first book. As much as I loved the HBO series, there's so much they didn't include and it's really great.

Vic Sage Jul 28 2011 10:18 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

i went to san diego comiccon and George RR Martin was there, with the cast of GOT, but the lines were too long. couldn't get in. oh, well.

themetfairy Jul 28 2011 10:30 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

My daughter met him at a Barnes & Noble in Massachusetts right when A Dance with Dragons came out - he signed her copy of the book.

soupcan Sep 06 2011 07:51 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

seawolf17 wrote: I'm halfway through the fourth book, and it's kicking my ass all over the place. It's fascinating to me how Martin regularly kills off main characters. I'm 3/4 of the way through Book 3 (Storm of Swords) and I'm thinking exactly that. What the hell am I supposed to do now? Un-freakin'-believable!

Ceetar Sep 06 2011 08:10 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

soupcan wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I'm halfway through the fourth book, and it's kicking my ass all over the place. It's fascinating to me how Martin regularly kills off main characters. I'm 3/4 of the way through Book 3 (Storm of Swords) and I'm thinking exactly that. What the hell am I supposed to do now? Un-freakin'-believable! It annoys me because I feel like each time he decides he's gonna kill off a 'main' character, (It seems the point is there is no main character, except the realm itself?) it kills off an interesting storyline that I was looking forward to. I'm now into the fourth book myself. I'm not into this one as much. I'm just not as invested in the storyline for these other families now. Arienna? eh. I finally watched the series. My wife almost didn't make it past episode two (Kingsroad, the result of the Arya/Joffrey encounter), but she perservered. I was entertained, but the whole thing is a very depressing story for the most part.

Vic Sage Sep 06 2011 03:22 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

i finally caved in and bought the first 4 books in paperback; I just started GAME OF THRONES.

soupcan Sep 12 2011 07:29 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

soupcan wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I'm halfway through the fourth book, and it's kicking my ass all over the place. It's fascinating to me how Martin regularly kills off main characters. I'm 3/4 of the way through Book 3 (Storm of Swords) and I'm thinking exactly that. What the hell am I supposed to do now? Un-freakin'-believable! I saw a sound bite of Martin answering a question at San Diego ComicCon from a fan. The question was 'Why do you continue to kill off everybody's favorite characters one after the other?' His answer was that he wants the reader to be fully invested in the story and to be afraid to turn the page for fear of what's going to happen next. As I've noted in the 'what are you reading' thread. I've now finished Book 3 and am starting Book 4 - 'A Feast For Crows'. So far I have not been disappointed in any of the first three books.

Ceetar Sep 12 2011 07:34 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

soupcan wrote: The question was 'Why do you continue to kill off everybody's favorite characters one after the other?' His answer was that he wants the reader to be fully invested in the story and to be afraid to turn the page for fear of what's going to happen next. (i'm 3/4th through book 4) That's cruel. he's a cruel cruel man. He goes out of his way to set up backstory, and then just kills guys and it goes to no end. I think the main character is the realm itself, everyone else is just fodder.

Vic Sage Sep 12 2011 02:33 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

That's cruel. he's a cruel cruel man. He goes out of his way to set up backstory, and then just kills guys and it goes to no end. I think the main character is the realm itself, everyone else is just fodder. of course he's cruel. writers are supposed to be. and it doesn't go "to no end." It goes to the end of evoking an emotional response, which is all the end any of it is for. And yes, its about the realm. People die. Only the land continues. And the god of this realm is as cruel as the god of yours. vonnegut on rules for writing short stories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQ1wEBx1V0 see rule 6 (be a sadist).

Ceetar Sep 12 2011 02:52 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: That's cruel. he's a cruel cruel man. He goes out of his way to set up backstory, and then just kills guys and it goes to no end. I think the main character is the realm itself, everyone else is just fodder. of course he's cruel. writers are supposed to be. and it doesn't go "to no end." It goes to the end of evoking an emotional response, which is all the end any of it is for. And yes, its about the realm. People die. Only the land continues. And the god of this realm is as cruel as the god of yours. vonnegut on rules for writing short stories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQ1wEBx1V0 see rule 6 (be a sadist). sorry, it goes 'to no end' as far as the story goes, not my response to said story. I'm not sure writers are supposed to be anything specific. But I started reading a story that seemed to be focusing around Ned Stark, and now in the same story that entire thread is basically an after thought. Additionally, just when I get a little gleeful about some characters getting what's coming to them, he switches gears and humanizes them.

soupcan Sep 27 2011 07:40 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Ceetar wrote: Additionally, just when I get a little gleeful about some characters getting what's coming to them, he switches gears and humanizes them. I think we can all relate to this. The character I hated the most when I started reading these books is now one of the characters I root for the most. Anyone who has read the books or is reading them knows who I'm talking about of course. I'm halfway through Book 4 (I find this one slower going than the others for whatever reason) and still enjoying the epic very much.

Vic Sage Sep 27 2011 10:56 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

starting book 2. still enthralled. The HBO series was remarkably faithful to book 1.

metirish Sep 27 2011 11:16 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Amazon has the first four books in a bundle for kindle, $29:99, thinking of getting it.

soupcan Sep 27 2011 11:34 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: starting book 2. still enthralled. The HBO series was remarkably faithful to book 1. I think Book 2 was my favorite, and I agree about HBO. That's why I'm looking so forward to Season 2. Amazon has the first four books in a bundle for kindle, $29:99, thinking of getting it. Go for it.

Ceetar Sep 27 2011 01:36 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm looking forward to season 2 as well, although the teaser was really stupid (in the sense that it didn't show anything) I expect to be done with book 5 by the end of vacation. perhaps we need a game of thrones (spoilers) thread too.

Centerfield Oct 12 2011 11:15 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: starting book 2. still enthralled. The HBO series was remarkably faithful to book 1. Yup. soupcan wrote: I think we can all relate to this. The character I hated the most when I started reading these books is now one of the characters I root for the most. Anyone who has read the books or is reading them knows who I'm talking about of course. I'm halfway through Book 4 (I find this one slower going than the others for whatever reason) and still enjoying the epic very much. I hope they do not humanize the Lannisters. (Don't tell me) I am waiting on edge for these fuckers to get what's coming to them.

Vic Sage Oct 12 2011 02:03 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

i'm most of the way thru book 3:STORM OF SWORDS and all Lannisters are not treated equally. Tyrion has always been sympathetic, and Jaime has been humanized in this chapter. The others are still utter monsters of course. I had been confused by the accusations against this series that it continually killed off leading and sympathetic characters, but it really had not been so, at least since the 1st chapter's execution of Lord Eddard Stark, as seen in the tv series. But here i am at the end of STORM OF SWORDS, and they are dropping like flies.

Ceetar Oct 16 2011 12:22 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

finished. angry. If I ever meet George R. R. Martin, I may slap him. Does he go by R.R. to proclaim himself Tolkien's heir?

Vic Sage Oct 17 2011 09:19 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

are you angry because you now have to wait years for 2 more chapters? or because you didn't like the way things were left at the end of book 5?

Ceetar Oct 18 2011 05:27 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: are you angry because you now have to wait years for 2 more chapters? or because you didn't like the way things were left at the end of book 5? more of what happened near the end than the way it was left.

soupcan Oct 18 2011 08:03 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I'm on about page 200 of Book V. Ceetar's statement does not make me happy.

Ceetar Oct 18 2011 08:14 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

soupcan wrote: I'm on about page 200 of Book V. Ceetar's statement does not make me happy. Talked it out with a coworker who'd finished the books and reads some of the sites that analyze this stuff. It might not be as evil as it seems, but long time before we find out.

Vic Sage Oct 18 2011 08:41 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

i'm a few hundred pages in on Book IV. It's amazing how quickly one can read a 1000-page paperback.

Vic Sage Oct 18 2011 09:00 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Ceetar wrote: finished. angry. If I ever meet George R. R. Martin, I may slap him. Does he go by R.R. to proclaim himself Tolkien's heir? George "Raymond Richard" Martin. There were probably too many George Martins in the Writer's Guild already. and for the record, it's "John Ronald Reuel" Tolkien

Ceetar Oct 18 2011 09:06 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: Ceetar wrote: finished. angry. If I ever meet George R. R. Martin, I may slap him. Does he go by R.R. to proclaim himself Tolkien's heir? George "Raymond Richard" Martin. There were probably too many George Martins in the Writer's Guild already. and for the record, it's "John Ronald Reuel" Tolkien yeah, I was more just lashing out out of anger. Reuel is a cool name though. You don't hear that one a lot.

seawolf17 Oct 18 2011 09:31 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: i'm a few hundred pages in on Book IV. It's amazing how quickly one can read a 1000-page paperback. For a dense read, it does get surprisingly fast. Took me forever to get through the first one, but once you get going, it really cooks.

Ceetar Oct 18 2011 09:50 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

seawolf17 wrote: Vic Sage wrote: i'm a few hundred pages in on Book IV. It's amazing how quickly one can read a 1000-page paperback. For a dense read, it does get surprisingly fast. Took me forever to get through the first one, but once you get going, it really cooks. I actually found the 4th one the slowest. They go through some of the families they had previous ignored and I found somewhat uninteresting because I wasn't really invested in them.

soupcan Oct 18 2011 10:38 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

I also found IV the slowest going. Liking V a lot so far.

Vic Sage Nov 03 2011 09:49 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

i'm well into Book V. I couldn't wait for it to come out in paperback so i bought it on my kindle. As Martin has stated, Books IV and V are really a single work split in half, as the action is simultaneous, but some folks probably prefer Book V because it deals with more of the major characters. I also liked Book IV, however, specifically because it dealt with the minor houses and their roles in the game of thrones. It makes this world even more complete, which is the point of epic fantasy... the delineation of a world, in all its complexity. I am going to be so depressed when i'm done, because it'll be years before we get the final 2 books. There is something about the total immersion I experience when reading epic fantasy that is unlike anything else i know, and a gap of years, i fear, will break the spell. I still remember reading the LOTR trilogy, LeGuin's Earthsea trilogy, the Dune books, PJFarmer's riverworld series, Cherryh's Faded Sun... so many worlds, all still so vivid in my memory, all devoured in single gulps that lasted consecutive days, weeks, months. But never were they broken up by a period of years. This was a situation i wanted to avoid by avoiding this series in the first place. But alas, i was weak. And now i soon arrive at the precipice... or rather, the Wall. And as the wall weeps, so will i... metaphorically speaking. Martin, you fucker. Write faster.

Ceetar Nov 03 2011 10:11 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: Martin, you fucker. Write faster. might be hopeless, although maybe the popularity spurs him on. But didn't he say at teh end of Book IV, Book V should be out within the next year! or something?

metirish Nov 14 2011 01:44 PM Re: Game Of Thrones

Just got the first book on the kindle from the library last night, um, not reading this in one 21 loan am I?

Vic Sage Nov 15 2011 09:12 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Ceetar wrote: finished. angry. If I ever meet George R. R. Martin, I may slap him. *** SPOILER WARNING *** i assume this anger is over the way he left Jon Snow? It's not clear to me that he was actually killed. He could survive that attack.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 10:11 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

Vic Sage wrote: Ceetar wrote: finished. angry. If I ever meet George R. R. Martin, I may slap him. *** SPOILER WARNING *** i assume this anger is over the way he left Jon Snow? It's not clear to me that he was actually killed. He could survive that attack. *** SPOILER WARNING *** As long as we're getting all spoilers, yeah, that's where my anger was. They described him as stabbed quite a few times, so it seems unlikely..however, talking it over with a coworker he brought up the theory about Mellisandra (that's the witches name right?) resurrecting him. Which I guess would also get him out of his oath and allow him to take up the 'throne' in the north?

Vic Sage Nov 15 2011 10:53 AM Re: Game Of Thrones

*** SPOILER WARNING *** yeah, there have been a lot of folks who survived serious injury in this series, and unless i see the Lord Commander's head rolling down the steps like his dad, poor Eddard, i don't assume he's dead. Especially in a universe with magic. I just think he's too key to the architecture of the overall story for Martin to give him up 2 books before the end.