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Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

seawolf17 Apr 19 2011 11:34 AM

Our season is saved!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 11:34 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Well, if it's true, that's kind of stupid.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2011 11:37 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Yeah, I'd disagree with that. I'd work Hu in more and let Emaus try to work his way off the bench for a few weeks.

metirish Apr 19 2011 11:37 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Turner, the red headed fella?

Gwreck Apr 19 2011 11:39 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Seems like an awfully hasty decision.

metirish Apr 19 2011 11:39 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

I've no problem with DFAin Emaus , he couldn't hit and looked rather shaky in the field.

seawolf17 Apr 19 2011 11:43 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

The only solid logic here is that last spring, I sent an autograph request to RA Dickey c/o the Bisons a week or so after he threw that near-perfecto... he was so inspired by my request that he got called up a few days later and nearly won the Cy Young Award last season. Guess who I sent an autograph request to last week, c/o the Bisons? You betcha. Justin Turner. Karma.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2011 11:43 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

I've no problem with DFAin Emaus , he couldn't hit and looked rather shaky in the field. There's certainly that. I mean, folks wanted a team that was willing to cut losses and move on faster. I still wouldn't have, but...

smg58 Apr 19 2011 11:45 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

If you had sufficient confidence in Emaus to hand him the starting job out of spring training, then two weeks should not have been enough time to change your mind. That being said, I hope Turner gives out team a boost. What's done is done.

metirish Apr 19 2011 11:47 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

smg58 wrote: If you had sufficient confidence in Emaus to hand him the starting job out of spring training, then two weeks should not have been enough time to change your mind. normally I would agree here but this fella whose name I have already forgotten looked way over matched.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2011 11:47 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Official. Definitely not the next Uggla.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 11:54 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 19 2011 11:59 AM

metirish wrote: I've no problem with DFAin Emaus , he couldn't hit and looked rather shaky in the field. Dustin Pedroia looked just as terrible after his first 50 PAs. Chris Shelton, on the other hand, looked fantastic. 50 PAs-- especially a first 50-- can be very, VERY deceiving. There may end up being a decent result to this move set here, but the process/apparent thinking behind it does not inspire confidence. Strike one, new FO.

Centerfield Apr 19 2011 11:57 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

A little hasty for my tastes. I thought Brad had the look of a hitter. (I know he didn't actually hit, but whatever.)

metirish Apr 19 2011 12:06 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Probably is hasty but I get the impression that Collins is like that , this is a guy that uses starters in relief to help get a win in the middle of April and put Emaus on notice a few days ago in regards to his lack of hitting.

G-Fafif Apr 19 2011 12:06 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Rule V considerations take a holiday on this one? Don't they have to offer him back to Toronto?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2011 12:07 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

The thing I'm wondering now is if Emaus goes back to Toronto, or if the Blue Jays decline to buy him back, or if the Mets make some deal with the Jays to allow them to keep Emaus in Buffalo.

metirish Apr 19 2011 12:07 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

G-Fafif wrote: Rule V considerations take a holiday on this one? Don't they have to offer him back to Toronto? per Rubin He must go through Rule 5 waivers before being offered back to the Toronto Blue Jays for $25,000 -- half the claiming price. At that point, the Mets could trade for Emaus, if interested, and place him in the minors.

attgig Apr 19 2011 12:09 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

granted, he didn't look good...but if you were going to rule 5 someone, give him more than 50 PA....

Ceetar Apr 19 2011 12:17 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

smg58 wrote: If you had sufficient confidence in Emaus to hand him the starting job out of spring training, then two weeks should not have been enough time to change your mind. That being said, I hope Turner gives out team a boost. What's done is done. I don't know that they had sufficient confidence in Emaus to begin with. They just didn't have greater confidence in Murphy and Turner was easily optioned. I like Turner though. maybe if whatshisface had promoted and started him a little bit more last year, we'd have had a better idea of what he's worth.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2011 12:19 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Sorry it apparently didn't work out with Emaus, but I'm glad that Justin Turner will be getting a shot. I think he deserves it. (I say this without checking what he's done at Buffalo so far this year.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 12:21 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

I like him, too. But it doesn't matter what he's done in Buffalo this year... because, unless he's changed his batting stance to a one-legged heron-fu thing, it's a tiny-ass, not-terribly-indicative sample size.

TransMonk Apr 19 2011 12:21 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

I didn't find much to like about Emaus. I have no problem with this move, however, I'm not optimistic about finding much to like about Turner. I let Muffy sink or swim at this point.

Ceetar Apr 19 2011 12:29 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like him, too. But it doesn't matter what he's done in Buffalo this year... because, unless he's changed his batting stance to a one-legged heron-fu thing, it's a tiny-ass, not-terribly-indicative sample size. he's hitting .300 with some XBH, so if he's doing it one-legged heron-fu style, he's gonna get a lot of people into the stands to check that out!

Centerfield Apr 19 2011 12:34 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Hi! I'm Justin Turner. I'm betting that if the news had not broken, and I had shown up tonight wearing Brad Emaus's uniform, none of you losers would have noticed the difference.

Ceetar Apr 19 2011 12:38 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Centerfield wrote: Hi! I'm Justin Turner. I'm betting that if the news had not broken, and I had shown up tonight wearing Brad Emaus's uniform, none of you losers would have noticed the difference. Hey now, I would've noticed! I saw you drinking wine with Scott Hairston and Kai Gronauer in Spring Training! Please don't hit like Brad Emaus btw.

Ceetar Apr 19 2011 12:40 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 12:47 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like him, too. But it doesn't matter what he's done in Buffalo this year... because, unless he's changed his batting stance to a one-legged heron-fu thing, it's a tiny-ass, not-terribly-indicative sample size. he's hitting .300 with some XBH, so if he's doing it one-legged heron-fu style, he's gonna get a lot of people into the stands to check that out! TA, NTISS. It's not Turner I have a problem with, by any means. It's that this sort of thing reeks-- REEKS-- of Omar on a not-good day.

G-Fafif Apr 19 2011 12:51 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's not Turner I have a problem with, by any means. It's that this sort of thing reeks-- REEKS-- of Omar on a not-good day. I assumed Emaus (Emaus -- assume; almost an anagram) was getting the benny of the doubt because of the Ricciardi connection. Good to know. sort of, that this management group is cold and calculating even when it comes to their potential pets. It was a quick hook. They must have seen something they really didn't like...besides the kid bobbling that double play ball last Thursday.

metirish Apr 19 2011 01:03 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

G-Fafif wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's not Turner I have a problem with, by any means. It's that this sort of thing reeks-- REEKS-- of Omar on a not-good day. I assumed Emaus (Emaus -- assume; almost an anagram) was getting the benny of the doubt because of the Ricciardi connection. Good to know. sort of, that this management group is cold and calculating even when it comes to their potential pets. It was a quick hook. They must have seen something they really didn't like...besides the kid bobbling that double play ball last Thursday. I just heard form a Mets person I know that has intimate knowledge of the ongoing situation regarding the Mets clubhouse that Emaus was caught lifting some clothes from Jose Reyes.

G-Fafif Apr 19 2011 01:06 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

metirish wrote: G-Fafif wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's not Turner I have a problem with, by any means. It's that this sort of thing reeks-- REEKS-- of Omar on a not-good day. I assumed Emaus (Emaus -- assume; almost an anagram) was getting the benny of the doubt because of the Ricciardi connection. Good to know. sort of, that this management group is cold and calculating even when it comes to their potential pets. It was a quick hook. They must have seen something they really didn't like...besides the kid bobbling that double play ball last Thursday. I just heard form a Mets person I know that has intimate knowledge of the ongoing situation regarding the Mets clubhouse that Emaus was caught lifting some clothes from Jose Reyes. "Hello? Brad Emaus? Hi, you don't know me, but I used to work for the Mets, and I'm thinking you'd like to supplement your major league minimum salary. I know where a lot of things are in the clubhouse but I can't get back in there right now. I can sell all that stuff and cut you in. I just need someone on the inside to go through the lockers and...hello? Hello?"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 01:10 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

"I'm not tryin' to be the sezzy, bro. It's jes, someone stole my unnershirts."

G-Fafif Apr 19 2011 01:11 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

That GQ photo shoot remains The Best Thing That Ever Happened.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 01:13 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Oh, yes. Tremendous pop in the right context, and a SuperJoeish comic versatility.

metirish Apr 19 2011 01:15 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

G-Fafif wrote: That GQ photo shoot remains The Best Thing That Ever Happened. true , love it ......

G-Fafif Apr 19 2011 01:17 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Oh, yes. Tremendous pop in the right context, and a SuperJoeish comic versatility. Randy Johnson quivers at the sight of all that leather.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2011 02:54 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Adam Rubin wrote: Brad Emaus' days with the Mets -- in the majors or minors -- appear done. Emaus, as a Rule 5 pick, is currently on waivers. If another team claims him, that organization would assume responsibility for keeping Emaus on the major league roster for the remainder of the season. The more likely scenario is Emaus clears waivers and is offered back to his former club, the Toronto Blue Jays, for $25,000 -- half the price the Mets paid to draft him. At that point, the Mets could work out a trade with Toronto in order to keep Emaus and place him in the minors. However, a team insider said it's "unlikely" the Mets would try to retain Emaus.

Frayed Knot Apr 19 2011 03:06 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Yeah, the part about having to clear waivers again is that other teams that may have wanted to claim him originally but were short-circuited by the NYM claim get another crack at him. Plus Emaus still fits the conditions that made him subject to the Rule 5 draft in the first place. Part of the Met decision to do this may have something to do with Muffy's better than expected defensive play as well as Emaus's bad play. I didn't think they'd pull the plus this quickly but if they reached the decision that Turner is a better bet going forward then there's no time like the present.

TransMonk Apr 19 2011 03:19 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Part of me thinks that Emaus may not have been the #1 pick for 2B out of the gate, but due to his Rule 5 status, he got the first chance to fail. I like the quick hook that this management team has in comparison to the "waiting for them to come around" attitude of the past. Too quick? Maybe. But I can't say that I don't agree. Boyer and Emaus, thanks for playing...who's next?

Ashie62 Apr 19 2011 03:44 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Emaus..Garbage in..garbage out..

themetfairy Apr 19 2011 04:23 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Brad, we hardly knew you!

Ceetar Apr 19 2011 05:58 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Here's my confusing rules question. Say they decide to pull Emaus back off waivers. Can they do that? And if they can, does that cancel the rule 5 status? Because Toronto only gets him if he clears, but if he can be pulled back, he can't be placed on again. The Mets would I suppose have to outright release him to get rid of him at that point. At which point anyone could sign him as he'd basically become a free agent right? And if that's the case, can they release him instead of waivers to begin with? and if they do, can they then resign him immediately to a minor league deal? What am I missing? Or is the process of putting a rule 5 guy through waivers different?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 09:05 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

I believe these are irrevocable waivers; if a team claims him, they've got him (under the same Rule V conditions with which the Mets were dealing), with no "pullbacks." (Think Texas and Darren O'Day.) If nobody wants him, then he's offered back to the Jays for $25K. They can also work out a trade if they'd like to hold onto him; then and only then is the Rule V condition set gone.

Ceetar Apr 19 2011 09:06 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I believe these are irrevocable waivers; if a team claims him, they've got him (under the same Rule V conditions with which the Mets were dealing), with no "pullbacks." (Think Texas and Darren O'Day.) If nobody wants him, then he's offered back to the Jays for $25K. They can also work out a trade if they'd like to hold onto him; then and only then is the Rule V condition set gone. irrevocable. that makes sense.

duan Apr 20 2011 04:51 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

for what it's worth he looked horrible defensively in the bits I've seen. The double clutch on the throw to third, the botched DP play and could well have cost two games with his glove (sure other things went wrong but football always has me tracing things back to the first mistake so it's sort of how I work things mentally) On other notes, Brandon Wood got DFA'd last night and strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of guy that a team with fuck all hope of competing could take a look see at.

seawolf17 Apr 20 2011 07:04 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

duan wrote: On other notes, Brandon Wood got DFA'd last night and strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of guy that a team with fuck all hope of competing could take a look see at. No way. Not only can he not hit major league pitching, he actually got worse in AAA the last few seasons. Plus we have no place to put him.

Ashie62 Apr 20 2011 07:15 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

seawolf17 wrote: duan wrote: On other notes, Brandon Wood got DFA'd last night and strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of guy that a team with fuck all hope of competing could take a look see at. No way. Not only can he not hit major league pitching, he actually got worse in AAA the last few seasons. Plus we have no place to put him. Buffalo?

Edgy DC Apr 20 2011 07:36 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

A former minor league player of the year is a former minor league player of the year. I mean, maybe that was drug-induced illusion, but... it makes me feel better that the Mets (apparently) made the hard decision of cutting loose a Rule V second baseman when the Angels had to cut loose a shortstop who who hit 43 homers at Ranco Cucamonga. In the equivelant of a major league season, spread out over parts of five, he's gone .197 / .259 / .455 // .714. Pretty stinking awful, but not without at least a glimmer of hope when you see the isolated slugging. Still, if he accomplishes little else going forward, I know myself that I sure wish I had Hit 43 Homers at Ranco Cucamonga! emblazoned on my calling card.

smg58 Apr 20 2011 07:38 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Wood is presumably out of options, so we'd have to claim him, then put him back through waivers, and then hope he clears in order to send him to Buffalo. That would be doable only if every other team thinks he's worth nothing. In that case, we'd better know something they don't.

Edgy DC Apr 20 2011 07:56 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Or merely suspect something. What's really to lose if a team like the Mets is wrong? The difference between an un-improved Wood and Russ Adams can't be all that bad a downside.

The Second Spitter Apr 20 2011 09:22 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

G-Fafif wrote: They must have seen something they really didn't like...besides the kid bobbling that double play ball last Thursday. Like this? Still 42pa .....smh. Of course, this guarantees he'll become a 30hr hitter.

duan Apr 20 2011 09:36 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Brandon Wood vs Chin Lung Hu ?

Edgy DC Apr 20 2011 09:53 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

What a throw from Duda.

The Second Spitter Apr 21 2011 01:37 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Edgy DC wrote: What a throw from Duda. It's easy to criticise Duda's throw, but there's something endemic in this organisation about fielding players out of position, just to get their asses in the line-up. There are a myriad of examples in recent history how this tactic has failed miserably, yet they persist in doing it. The only time I can say it mildly paid-off was with Zeile in 2000, yet he was still a below average 1B that year. I don't follow other organisations closely enough to say this is a unique phenomenon, but like bunting, it seems to be something that transcends the management of the day. Somebody tell me that I'm wrong.

Edgy DC Apr 21 2011 08:03 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

I'm not sure. I'm loathe to accept that a position is imprinted on somebody and all other positions are wrong. On the other hand, he had only 20 games in right in the minors. He's a big donkey, and his real positon is hitter. The problem with his defense is that it matters, because he hasn't hit. At all. The main alternatives were to open the seaosn with someone among Pridie, Feliciano, Martinez, and Kirk Nieuwenhuis. (I don't think Val Pascucci even got an invite to camp.) I don't think any of us were particularly clamoring for them at the time because of their better rightfieldiness.

Frayed Knot Apr 21 2011 02:50 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

John Sickels on Brandon Wood: -- Everyone knows about former top prospect Brandon Wood being designated for assignment by the Los Angeles Angels this week. I think the move is necessary; he wasn't helping the team and he clearly needs a change of scenery to have any hope of living up to his former potential. Anyone who has seen Wood play over the last couple of years can diagnose his problems: his approach at the plate is completely fouled up, he alternates between being too passive and too aggressive (sometimes in the same at-bat), and his confidence is obviously shot. As awful as he's been, I'd still be willing to take a chance with him if I were another team. All the physical tools that made him a hot prospect are still there. He's a good defender at third base and can still play shortstop. And I've seen him, in person, in the minor leagues do the things he can't seem to do in the majors: control the strike zone decently and show power to all fields. Perhaps it really is some uncorrectable swing flaw that makes him an AAAA player, but there's at least some chance that the problem is entirely (or mostly) mental and a fresh team and different coaching staff can help him. We'll see.

TransMonk Apr 22 2011 07:23 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Per Metsblog: Brad Emaus has cleared waivers. However, since he was a Rule 5 draft choice from the Blue Jays in December, he had to be offered back to them for $25,000, and the Blue Jays accepted the offer and assigned him to Triple-A Las Vegas.

Ceetar Apr 22 2011 07:24 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Per Metsblog: Brad Emaus has cleared waivers. However, since he was a Rule 5 draft choice from the Blue Jays in December, he had to be offered back to them for $25,000, and the Blue Jays accepted the offer and assigned him to Triple-A Las Vegas. Memories of Emaus? or do we just not have anything to say? Gotta be more than Boyer..

Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2011 07:35 AM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

He ended up doing a lot less for the Mets than Bill Pecota did.

Frayed Knot Apr 22 2011 04:36 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

Brandon Wood picked up by the Pittsburghers.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 22 2011 06:49 PM Re: Emaus DFAed, Turner Up, Sez Internets

And Emaus just got traded to the Rockies!