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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2011 04:58 PM

Roger McDowell insults non-gay San Franciscan with gay epithets. [url]http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Atlanta-Braves-pitching-coach-Roger-McDowell-accused-of-yelling-gay-slurs-at-fans-042711

soupcan Apr 27 2011 05:05 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Incredible. Goes without saying that I've always been a fan of McDowell's but if even 10% of this is true it's pretty disgusting behavior and I'd be all for him losing his job over it. Granted I haven't heard his side but man.

Ashie62 Apr 27 2011 05:15 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Wasn't McDowell a bit of a smartass as a Met?

metirish Apr 27 2011 05:18 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

WTF would he be so stupid and mean and so fucking stupid again? Quinn of course goes crying to Gloria Allred$$$$$$$ fucking f---------------at fuck

G-Fafif Apr 27 2011 05:26 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

What a Braves uniform will do to a person.

metsmarathon Apr 27 2011 06:40 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

man. used to be you could call someone a fag and not be accused of a hate crime. i'm not complaining necessarily, but we're running out of insults.

Gwreck Apr 27 2011 07:42 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

metsmarathon wrote: man. used to be you could call someone a fag and not be accused of a hate crime. i'm not complaining necessarily, but we're running out of insults. Yeah, but you'd still be a douchebag if you called someone that. Hey, look. That insult still works. I also like moron; that would fit someone using that term (now, or then) well too.

bmfc1 Apr 27 2011 07:57 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Nice thread title, JCL.

Fman99 Apr 27 2011 08:16 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

That's some queer behavior by McDowell. Wonder what was up his butt that day.

metsmarathon Apr 27 2011 08:17 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Gwreck wrote: metsmarathon wrote: man. used to be you could call someone a fag and not be accused of a hate crime. i'm not complaining necessarily, but we're running out of insults. Yeah, but you'd still be a douchebag if you called someone that. Hey, look. That insult still works. I also like moron; that would fit someone using that term (now, or then) well too. moron 2. Psychology A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

Gwreck Apr 27 2011 09:43 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Interesting. I wonder if I'm splitting hairs to think that there is a difference.

Willets Point Apr 27 2011 09:48 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

metsmarathon wrote: man. used to be you could call someone a fag and not be accused of a hate crime. i'm not complaining necessarily, but we're running out of insults. We'll always have assclown and caustic fucktard.

Number 6 Apr 27 2011 10:04 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

metsmarathon wrote: moron 2. Psychology A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive. Which is why moron is no longer truly offensive on this level. It's not really a slur against the disadvantaged (like the word "retard"), it's more like calling someone an arsehole. Doesn't offend arseholes everywhere. There are plenty of words still available to call someone a jerk which don't simultaneously stigmatize others.

Edgy DC Apr 27 2011 10:15 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Not to excuse an ounce of his behavior but I get the impression anti-gay slurs are like government-backed currency among ballplayers. If this helps to turn that around, it'd be nice. But with the ever-unpopular Bud Selig ruling over it, it's probably just as likely that McDowell turns into a first-amendment martyr. Q: When does gay-bashing escalate from stupid to dangerous? A: When you're a friend of Charlie Sheen. There should be some sort of scale on the amount of damage a guy can do to American culture --- the "Mel Gibson Scale" or something. It's like "Charlie Sheen has already racked up nine Gibsons this year, but Donald Trump has achieved five in the last two weeks alone and the year is still young."

Gwreck Apr 27 2011 11:26 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

McDowell: "I am deeply sorry that I responded to the heckling fans in San Francisco on Saturday," McDowell said in a statement. "I apologize to everyone for my actions."

Benjamin Grimm Apr 28 2011 04:20 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

You always have to question the sincerity of forced apologies. Is it "I'm sorry I did that" or "I regret the trouble I'm in"?

Edgy DC Apr 28 2011 04:28 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

It sounds like,, "I"m sorry they made me do that."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2011 04:46 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

I don't know McDowell any better than you do but I'm sure he was just acting like the dumb jock he probably is and said stupid things he thought were harmless to a sensitive person he thought could take it. I think he's apologizing for a lack of judgment as to when use a bat to demonstrate gay sex.

Edgy DC Apr 28 2011 06:37 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

That much I think makes sense. The question is how seriously to take the complaint that he threatened to knock somebody's teeth out with a bat. The testimony of the kids ("He shouldn't say things that upset me!") sounds as well coached as Taylor Hanson was in shutting down the Padres last night.

soupcan Apr 28 2011 07:12 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Let's assume that what the dad says happened is all true. If that's the case not only is McDowell a Class A fucking asshole, but he deserves to lose his job over this. Cursing, threatening and intimidating with a bat in front of this guys kids at a stadium is completely inexcusable. It's horrible and frightening even without the gay stuff. But you add in the gay stuff and it just takes it to another level of disgust. It's bullying, it's ugly, it's so many bad things. I hope they make an example of him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2011 10:35 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

I'm with soupy on this (it may be standard currency in the locker room, but-- leaving aside the homophobic/nonhomophobic question-- do you want a member of the coaching staff taunting members of the general public?). Damn, though... don't people realize how much credibility they LOSE when they stand in front of a camera with Gloria Allred? (It probably doesn't help that his daughters, who were scared and traumatized by the original act, are flanking the guy as he reenacts the whole Louisville-Bugger bit.)

Benjamin Grimm Apr 28 2011 10:39 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

The article in the Daily News mentioned that McDowell was traded to the Phillies in the "celebrated Lenny Dykstra deal." Huh? Celebrated by whom? Phillies fans? Or do the three people who wrote the article think that Dykstra came to the Mets in that deal? Either way, recent events show that the Mets traded away two jerks on that day in 1989.

themetfairy Apr 28 2011 11:08 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Damn, though... don't people realize how much credibility they LOSE when they stand in front of a camera with Gloria Allred? This.

G-Fafif Apr 28 2011 01:27 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

From Bondy, so take it FWIW: For reporters who covered the effective reliever during the Mets' golden years in the late '80s, this incident is horrifying, yet not far removed from the realm of believability. McDowell was known to the public as a merry prankster, a guy who would give a "hot foot" to teammates at the drop of a cap. But he also could get surly with reporters who were critical of his pitching. "He definitely had a dark, nasty side," said one beat writer. "He was pretty thin-skinned. He could turn on you." I loved his pitching quite often, especially when he first came up and eternally for Game Six in Houston, and of course rooted for him to succeed in a Mets uniform, but I never really cared for McDowell, personally...and by personally I mean as a fan, from a distance. Something about him always struck me as contrived. I think I resented that he'd be lumped in with Tug McGraw as a kindred free spirit when all Roger did was screw around with pranks and masks. I think I also resented that he usurped Orosco's pre-eminence in the pen (I hated that Jesse's effectiveness waned at the moment the Mets were becoming great; why can't I have everything I want all at once?) and was secretly satisfied that Jesse outpitched him in Game Seven (not that I spent a lot of time dwelling on that at the time). I was also modestly aghast (though completely getting it) that McDowell won the fan vote for best righthanded reliever in franchise history in 2002 when Benitez, painful as he was to consider, had piled up all relevant records over the previous three years. All that said, I wasn't thinking, "He'll probably go over the top with homophobic slurs in San Francisco at some fan eventually," yet I'm somehow not particularly surprised.

Edgy DC Apr 28 2011 01:57 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

There's certain levels of the desperation reached when a yuckster's act has grown stale. I'll always recall Roger McDowell going for the rainbow afro wig on the MTV Rock 'n' Jock Sofball Classic as a zenith in that regard.

metirish Apr 28 2011 02:07 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2011 02:34 PM

OMFG , watch the press conference with Allard and the Quinn family. http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... reURL=true the whole thing is sort of creepy with the two young girls there but at 2 minutes it gets a whole lot weirder .

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2011 02:28 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

That's weird. I swear my pants just got a little tighter.

Edgy DC Apr 28 2011 02:29 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

I had to click. I freaking had to click. Why did I have to click?

themetfairy Apr 28 2011 02:30 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

themetfairy wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Damn, though... don't people realize how much credibility they LOSE when they stand in front of a camera with Gloria Allred? This. I repeat - This.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2011 09:50 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

If he really threatened someone with a bat while in uniform, he's got to be GONE.

dgwphotography Apr 29 2011 11:14 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

From Bondy, so take it FWIW: For reporters who covered the effective reliever during the Mets' golden years in the late '80s, this incident is horrifying, yet not far removed from the realm of believability. McDowell was known to the public as a merry prankster, a guy who would give a "hot foot" to teammates at the drop of a cap. But he also could get surly with reporters who were critical of his pitching. "He definitely had a dark, nasty side," said one beat writer. "He was pretty thin-skinned. He could turn on you." I loved his pitching quite often, especially when he first came up and eternally for Game Six in Houston, and of course rooted for him to succeed in a Mets uniform, but I never really cared for McDowell, personally...and by personally I mean as a fan, from a distance. Something about him always struck me as contrived. I think I resented that he'd be lumped in with Tug McGraw as a kindred free spirit when all Roger did was screw around with pranks and masks. I think I also resented that he usurped Orosco's pre-eminence in the pen (I hated that Jesse's effectiveness waned at the moment the Mets were becoming great; why can't I have everything I want all at once?) and was secretly satisfied that Jesse outpitched him in Game Seven (not that I spent a lot of time dwelling on that at the time). I was also modestly aghast (though completely getting it) that McDowell won the fan vote for best righthanded reliever in franchise history in 2002 when Benitez, painful as he was to consider, had piled up all relevant records over the previous three years. All that said, I wasn't thinking, "He'll probably go over the top with homophobic slurs in San Francisco at some fan eventually," yet I'm somehow not particularly surprised. This. McDowell and Dykstra were two of my least favorite 86ers even then, and I was happy to see them traded. So, while Allred has no credibility with me, these allegations regarding McDowell ring just a little bit true to me. IIRC, he was one of the biggest punks towards Jefferies ....

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2011 11:25 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Why is it when someone says something that's anti-gay, it's characterized as homophobic? Other prejudices aren't typically portrayed as coming from fear.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 11:33 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Because it makes one feel more superior to pathologize the characteristics of one's enemies. Plus, the assonance makes it roll off the tongue nicely. Someday, someone is going to respond to such an accusation with, "I deny that. I'm not afraid of gay people. I hold them in contempt, OK? There's a difference."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2011 11:52 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Also, "sexist" is taken, and "sexualist" sounds like a very specific kind of contractor.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2011 11:56 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

"Anti-gay" seems more appropriate than "homophobic" If McDowell had, upon seeing a gay couple, stood on a chair and yelled "Eek!" then I'd think he was homophobic. It seems, however, that he's merely a hater. It seems likely that some anti-gay feelings (I wouldn't venture to guess that it's most) come from repressed gay tendencies and self-loathing. Maybe that's where the phobic suffix comes from.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2011 01:08 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

ajcbraves David O'Brien #Braves put McDowell on administrative leave pending outcome of investigation into alleged anti-gay slurs. Dave Wallace interim pitch coach

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2011 01:10 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

They should have chosen Rick Waits instead. His name is a sentence.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 01:26 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

The Mets replaced him with Aguilera.

G-Fafif Apr 29 2011 01:35 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

bmfc1 wrote: ajcbraves David O'Brien #Braves put McDowell on administrative leave pending outcome of investigation into alleged anti-gay slurs. Dave Wallace interim pitch coach When McDowell comes back, will Wallace take over as outfield coach?

metirish Apr 29 2011 01:45 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

In England they call it gardening leave , either way it's one step out the door.

G-Fafif Apr 29 2011 01:47 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

metirish wrote: In England they call it gardening leave , either way it's one step out the door. At Shea, that was the same as being exiled to the bullpen.

Edgy DC May 01 2011 06:49 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Two-week suspension.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2011 08:33 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

He got off easy. At least, so far.

Edgy DC May 01 2011 08:40 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

It's probably something he agreed to.

soupcan May 02 2011 08:21 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He got off easy. Yup.

Edgy DC May 02 2011 08:24 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

It would have been politically easier for Selig if he just had him killed.

Fman99 May 02 2011 08:58 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If McDowell had, upon seeing a gay couple, stood on a chair and yelled "Eek!" then I'd think he was homophobic. It seems, however, that he's merely a hater. This happens to me all the time (note: only when I see a gay person with eight legs and eight eyes).

metirish May 02 2011 09:07 AM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

Edgy DC wrote: It would have been politically easier for Selig if he just had him killed. damn , you're on a crusade this morning. I can see McDowell losing his job if Adler brings this to court and it drags out.

G-Fafif May 14 2011 01:26 PM Re: Hot Foot in Mouth

McDowell back, sorry, won't do it again. His eyes red and voice wavering, Roger McDowell returned as the Atlanta Braves' pitching coach Friday and apologized for his crude conduct that led to a suspension. He spent a "very humbling" two weeks away from the game and promised there will be no repeat of such actions. "I've always said this is the best office in the world," McDowell said, before pausing to gather himself. "When I put the uniform back on I felt how fortunate I am to be able to put this uniform on and represent the organization." McDowell apologized in his statement "to anyone who was offended by my actions" and answered questions. "I am not proud of the way I acted and I know that it will not happen again," he said.