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TheOldMole Apr 29 2011 06:50 AM

What's a vesting option? I know in general it means more money for someone.

Ceetar Apr 29 2011 07:02 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

TheOldMole wrote: What's a vesting option? I know in general it means more money for someone. That's more a contract thing than a baseball thing. I wouldn't feel bad. Vesting options are clauses in contracts that 'vest' or 'activate' when the player hits a milestone. It cannot be based on statistics, but apparently games started and games finished and games played are not statistics. Cora had a vesting option last year for games played. If he was announced into the game at any time, it ticked up that number. If it hit the magic number in the contract, the second year of his contract for 2011 became guarenteed, esentially making his contract a 2 year one. The same for Frankie this year. If he finishes (I think it was 110 over two years?) 55 games this year, and is declared healthy, his option year for next year becomes guarenteed. Even if it doesn't, the Mets need to pay him 3.5 million to not activate the option, meaning unless they trade him or work out an extension in lieu of the option year, he's owed at least 3.5 million even if they let him walk away. As for me, I'm really bad at pitch identification. I try to pay more attention to be able to tell a curveball or fastball in flight. (and obviously the curve is easier, but identifying it from a slider? or a changeup from a fastball)

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2011 07:13 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I can tell a fastball from a breaking ball, but that's about it. Like Ceetar, I can't tell a slider from a changeup. I used to try harder at this stuff; when I'd watch I'd try to think along with the pitcher and catcher regarding pitch selection and location, but I gave that up long ago. I now watch a lot more passively.

attgig Apr 29 2011 07:18 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I'm with you on figuring out which pitch is which. I also suck at really understanding the balk rule. the only two scenarios are if the pitcher doesn't come to a complete stop before pitching, and the 45 degree step towards first base. are there other rules? i know there are other rules, but that's all i know...

Ceetar Apr 29 2011 07:23 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

attgig wrote: I'm with you on figuring out which pitch is which. I also suck at really understanding the balk rule. the only two scenarios are if the pitcher doesn't come to a complete stop before pitching, and the 45 degree step towards first base. are there other rules? i know there are other rules, but that's all i know... I think there are 11. I certainly don't know them all. Nor do they seem to all be enforced. Like the check-swing rule (which they seem to be very unforgiving with this year) it's very subjectively enforced.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 07:28 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I can tell a fastball from a breaking ball, but that's about it. Like Ceetar, I can't tell a slider from a changeup. I used to try harder at this stuff; when I'd watch I'd try to think along with the pitcher and catcher regarding pitch selection and location, but I gave that up long ago. I now watch a lot more passively. Sliders come in harder and have more right-to-left movement (or left to right for a lefty). Curves and changeups break downward. Broadly, rom a righthanded pitcher's point of view, [list][*]Sliders go from 2 o'clock toward 8 o'clock;[/*:m] [*]Curves go from 1 o'clock toward 7 o' clock; and[/*:m] [*]changeups from 12 o'clock toward 6 o'clock[/*:m][/list:u]

Ceetar Apr 29 2011 07:31 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Edgy DC wrote: I can tell a fastball from a breaking ball, but that's about it. Like Ceetar, I can't tell a slider from a changeup. I used to try harder at this stuff; when I'd watch I'd try to think along with the pitcher and catcher regarding pitch selection and location, but I gave that up long ago. I now watch a lot more passively. Sliders come in harder and have more right-to-left movement (or left to right for a lefty). Curves and changeups break downward. Broadly, rom a righthanded pitcher's point of view, [list][*]Sliders go from 2 o'clock toward 8 o'clock;[/*:m] [*]Curves go from 1 o'clock toward 7 o' clock; and[/*:m] [*]changeups from 12 o'clock toward 6 o'clock[/*:m][/list:u] understanding and identifying are two different things. Then you mix in cut fastballs, or other fastballs that have movement to them. Or 2-seam (which are generally sinkers right?) fastballs and 4-seams.

Willets Point Apr 29 2011 07:32 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I could probably take over this thread with my ignorance.

metirish Apr 29 2011 07:35 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I nearly always get RF and LF mixed up.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2011 07:36 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I usually recognize pitches once they're thrown but rarely try to 'think ahead' as to what pitch is going to come next. And, yes, sometimes the definitions of these pitches becomes a bit of a gray area at times. What one guy might call a slider would be similar to what another calls his curve or his 'slurve', and how a slider is different from a cutter sometimes matters more in the way it's gripped/delivered than in how it acts.

Ceetar Apr 29 2011 07:39 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

metirish wrote: I nearly always get RF and LF mixed up. Left field is where odd things come from. Right field is sponsored by Modells.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 07:40 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Ceetar wrote: attgig wrote: I'm with you on figuring out which pitch is which. I also suck at really understanding the balk rule. the only two scenarios are if the pitcher doesn't come to a complete stop before pitching, and the 45 degree step towards first base. are there other rules? i know there are other rules, but that's all i know... I think there are 11. I certainly don't know them all. Nor do they seem to all be enforced. Like the check-swing rule (which they seem to be very unforgiving with this year) it's very subjectively enforced. The check swing is getting less indulgence every year. Now it seeems you get rung up for starting at all.

themetfairy Apr 29 2011 07:55 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

attgig wrote: I'm with you on figuring out which pitch is which. I also suck at really understanding the balk rule. the only two scenarios are if the pitcher doesn't come to a complete stop before pitching, and the 45 degree step towards first base. are there other rules? i know there are other rules, but that's all i know... Same here.

Gwreck Apr 29 2011 07:59 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I still haven't sat down, focused and tried to get a good understanding of how WAR and VORP are calculated. It's not that I don't know what they are; it's just that I couldn't calculate them. Personally, I still feel the tiniest bit disingenuous if using a statistic that I couldn't calculate myself.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2011 08:02 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I haven't embraced the new stats at all. I would have loved them if they had come out about twenty years earlier. I don't question their value, I just haven't devoted myself to becoming familiar with them. I don't see the logic in adding OBP to SLG. I understand the motivation in combining them, but adding them doesn't make sense to me. When displaying "triple slash" stats, I know that batting average is first, but I'm unsure if Slugging comes before or after OBP.

Ceetar Apr 29 2011 08:06 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I haven't embraced the new stats at all. I would have loved them if they had come out about twenty years earlier. I don't question their value, I just haven't devoted myself to becoming familiar with them. I don't see the logic in adding OBP to SLG. I understand the motivation in combining them, but adding them doesn't make sense to me. When displaying "triple slash" stats, I know that batting average is first, but I'm unsure if Slugging comes before or after OBP. AVG/OBP/SLG. There is debate on just how valuable OBP is over SLG. But it's not 1:1 and adding them is somewhat infair to high walk/less power hitters. I spent a lot of last year trying to further my understanding of some of the advance stats. I have some huge reservations and i keep meaning to write them up in coherent articles, but I tend to get sidetracked.

metirish Apr 29 2011 08:10 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Gwreck wrote: I still haven't sat down, focused and tried to get a good understanding of how WAR and VORP are calculated. It's not that I don't know what they are; it's just that I couldn't calculate them. Personally, I still feel the tiniest bit disingenuous if using a statistic that I couldn't calculate myself. this , when I see it written I tend to move along . When I look at a batting average or an earned run average they immediately connect in my mind to what's going on and how an individual player might be performing. I also know that such things are often out of that players control. Trying to make that connection with WAR and VORP is just not easy.

seawolf17 Apr 29 2011 08:16 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't see the logic in adding OBP to SLG. I understand the motivation in combining them, but adding them doesn't make sense to me. This. It's the math nerd in me, not wanting to add fractions with different denominators.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 08:16 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

When OPS was gaining traction in the early-mid nineties, the dabate was over whether it would be more accurate to multiply slugging and on-base, a stat some referred to as SLOB. The Village Voice joked that John Kruk was leading the league in SLOB in two ways. The biggest adherents of OPS tend to acknowledge that (On-Base x 1.4) + Slugging (or thereabouts) is a fairer measure of batters' relative productiveness, but straight On-Base + Slugging was quicker and dirtier and therefore an easier sell to the baseball-covering establishment, which turned out to be true, except for the likes of poor Murray Chass.

Chad Ochoseis Apr 29 2011 08:16 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

metirish wrote: Gwreck wrote: I still haven't sat down, focused and tried to get a good understanding of how WAR and VORP are calculated. It's not that I don't know what they are; it's just that I couldn't calculate them. Personally, I still feel the tiniest bit disingenuous if using a statistic that I couldn't calculate myself. this , when I see it written I tend to move along . When I look at a batting average or an earned run average they immediately connect in my mind to what's going on and how an individual player might be performing. I also know that such things are often out of that players control. Trying to make that connection with WAR and VORP is just not easy. I was in the middle of typing almost this exact post, but you beat me to it, ya bollox. One of my New Year's resolutions this year was to really get an understanding of WAR. I've bought the Tom Tango "The Book" book, but haven't had the time to spend on it that it requires. But, yeah, the concept of "Wins Over Replacement" doesn't mean diddly to me until I know what it means to award a player a win. Back to the thread topic...I have absolutely no idea how to tell a good defensive catcher from a bad one.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 08:20 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I'm embarassed to admit that I don't understand how thrusting a bat through a circle in your fingers created by your thumb and index finger distinguishes filthy, perverted, gay sex from healthy, within-the-confines-of-marriage, heteronormative sex.

TransMonk Apr 29 2011 08:29 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I still can't calculate on-base-percentage without looking up the equation. I can tell fastballs from breaking balls in real time, but have a hard time distinguishing cutters and sinkers (although the speed gun helps). Is it right down the "pike" or right down the "pipe"? I say "pike", but I swear Keith says "pipe".

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2011 08:35 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Gwreck wrote: I still haven't sat down, focused and tried to get a good understanding of how WAR and VORP are calculated. It's not that I don't know what they are; it's just that I couldn't calculate them. Personally, I still feel the tiniest bit disingenuous if using a statistic that I couldn't calculate myself. Same. I'm reluctant to make an argument using that stuff till I care deeply enough to figure it out. (Note: Please don't bother doing it for me). I also don't know the diff between a 2-seam and 4-seam fb.

seawolf17 Apr 29 2011 08:36 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I agree with everyone on distinguishing pitches, but I will say this; knuckleballs are fucking AWESOME to watch from right behind the plate. Same on the 2- and 4-seamers. Tim McCarver's "Baseball For Brain Surgeons" is a really good book that explains a lot of that stuff, including pitches. I'm going to go back and re-read it.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 08:46 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Two-seamer: Four-seamer: Four seams cutting through the air vs. two changes the air-resistance and therefore the movement and velocity, but I'll be damned if I can recognize the difference as they fly.

MFS62 Apr 29 2011 08:54 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I'd like to make the transition from thinking of a player in terms of average/HR/RBI to BA/OBP/SLG, but I still am not sure what is a good number to look for. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2011 08:55 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

That's easy: 300/400/500 and you've got a terrific player

G-Fafif Apr 29 2011 09:02 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I've never quite grasped why lefty pitchers are generally more effective against lefty hitters.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2011 09:08 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

2 seam v. 4 seam. Thanks for the visuals. Little Solo asked me the difference the other day and I had no idea.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 09:14 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

I've seen the Uptons a-plently, but I still don't know one from the other --- which team they're on, which one plays outfield and which one plays infield, who was the better prospect at the time of drafting. None of that. I sometimes forget which race they belong to. There's something about the occasional prospect that gets fantasy leaguers and draft followers and card-speculators drooling that totally turns me off and sometimes I never get over that and the player's career is half over or more before I bother paying attention to him. The Uptons were like that with me. I can tell you more about Khalil Greene than B.J. Upton, who I'll someday conflate with B.J. Surhoff.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2011 09:18 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

This thread is a revelation because I thought that everybody here knew everything about everything. Why can't options be based on statistcs? If not stats, then what?

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2011 09:22 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

What's good about the "slash" stats is not only do each of them individually tell you something but the relationship between the various numbers does also. MLB as a whole hit .252/.320/.392 last season. That's down a bit from the high-flying years of the late '90s and early 21st century but still higher than what those who grew up watching in the '60s & 70s saw. But what they also show is that a player who has 68 points of difference between his BA & OBA walks about the average amount of time as compared to everyone else. The only real exceptions that can skew that number are if someone gets a ton of intentional walks due to his surrounding lineup or gets plunked a lot as those would expand his 'walk rate' but at the same time exaggerate how good his "batting eye" is. The difference between the BA & Slg is often called 'Isolated Power' (IsoP) and it's really a better number than just Slugging Avg itself for telling you about a batter's power. Since Slg Avg starts with BA as its base and then gives you extra credit so to speak for doubles & triples & HRs, a guy with a high BA will usually have at least a decent SlgA even with only occasional XBHs. Ichiro, for example, can "Slug" .450 but if that's with a BA of .360 the power isn't really that impressive, whereas a Mike Cameron type who usually bats in the mid-200s slugging .450 shows much more power. So rather than thinking that Ichiro & Cameron are equal sluggers due to their similar SlgA (very misleading) you look at Ichiro's .090 IsoP number and compare it to Cameron's .200 or so points and more clearly see the difference. So when I look at "slash" stats I'll think about how 'walk rates' of around 65-70 points and IsoP rates of around 140-150 show average strike zone knowledge and power output and see if/how much a player is above or below those figures. Guys whose walk rate gets over .100 or below .050 (with a decent sample size of course) show the extremes, the same for an IsoP of under .100 or over say .250 while the leagues top power hitters will have an IsoP that tops .300

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2011 09:24 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Why can't options be based on statistcs? If not stats, then what? Because of the idea that a player would then play strictly for his stats and not for the team; ex: trying to hit HRs in situations that didn't call for it only because he's got a contract bonus that'll pay him if he does.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 29 2011 09:29 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Frayed Knot wrote: Why can't options be based on statistcs? If not stats, then what? Because of the idea that a player would then play strictly for his stats and not for the team; ex: trying to hit HRs in situations that didn't call for it only because he's got a contract bonus that'll pay him if he does. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes that contract options should be based on WPA, WAR, or schaeffer voting. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes that we now live in an age of sufficinetly advanced statistics that it is possible to evaluate players based on their contribution to the team instead of simply their own narrowly-defined counting statistics.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2011 09:31 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Edgy DC wrote: I've seen the Uptons a-plently, but I still don't know one from the other --- which team they're on, which one plays outfield and which one plays infield, who was the better prospect at the time of drafting. None of that. I sometimes forget which race they belong to. There's something about the occasional prospect that gets fantasy leaguers and draft followers and card-speculators drooling that totally turns me off and sometimes I never get over that and the player's career is half over or more before I bother paying attention to him. The Uptons were like that with me. I can tell you more about Khalil Greene than B.J. Upton, who I'll someday conflate with B.J. Surhoff. Both of the Uptons play OF now, are black, were excellent prospects (Justin a little more so, due to perceived higher power/average potential, if a little less speed). Justin's a Snake, BJ's a Ray (but that might change later/after this season). Edgy DC wrote: Four seams cutting through the air vs. two changes the air-resistance and therefore the movement and velocity, but I'll be damned if I can recognize the difference as they fly. Two-seamer is held deeper in the hand (see Edgy's pic). The increased friction potentially leads to more direction change, usually via a "tailing" (toward the pitcher's-throwing-hand-side of home plate) and/or "sinking" action. Basically, if a guy's got a "movement" fastball-- Mariano's or Niese's cutter, Pelfrey's tailing fastball-- the two-seamer is probably it.(The "split-finger" is just a wider two-seam grip, held more loosely and a little further down the seam... hence, a fastball with change-up-type drop.) Four-seamer is usually the straight gas. It's the one that, if thrown hard enough, looks like it might actually rise up in the zone (a la Lincecum, Kershaw, Strasburg or Maine). Unless someone's got funky arm motion, it usually doesn't move beyond that... but it can (Mejia's "cutter" is a four-seamer). (Hooray for catching experience!)

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 29 2011 09:35 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

m.e.t.b.o.t. is unashamed to admit that m.e.t.b.o.t. does not know how to throw a baseball, or swing a baseball bat. m.e.t.b.o.t. has not been programmed with these abilities, and, more importantly, m.e.t.b.o.t. lacks sufficient articulation to grasp any sherical or cylindrical shapes regardless their size. while m.e.t.b.o.t., when walking, does exhibit an arm swing, this is mechanically linkd to the walking motion. a small enough bat or ball could be placed in m.e.t.b.o.t.'s tiny hands, but the resulting actionwould most likely be termed "dropping" and not swinging or throwing. m.e.t.b.o.t. is fortunate to not be programmed to generate the emotional response of embarrassment, lest the above admission bring about a selfimposed restriction in subsequent crane pool forum participation.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2011 09:40 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Huh! PhillieBot can throw a baseball!

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2011 09:56 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Frayed Knot wrote: Why can't options be based on statistcs? If not stats, then what? Because of the idea that a player would then play strictly for his stats and not for the team; ex: trying to hit HRs in situations that didn't call for it only because he's got a contract bonus that'll pay him if he does. Well then there's something that I'm not embarrassed to admit I didn't know. But I thought that so long as the contract guaranteed the minimum amount that the player was entitled to, per the CBA, than any additional amounts could be based on options, which in turn could be based on stats. If the team is worried that the option might induce the player to play selfishly to the team's detriment, then the team doesn't have to offer the particular option. I'll look this one up later on. Not that I doubt you, but just to read the controlling language.

soupcan Apr 29 2011 09:57 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Edgy DC wrote: I'm embarassed to admit that I don't understand how thrusting a bat through a circle in your fingers created by your thumb and index finger distinguishes filthy, perverted, gay sex from healthy, within-the-confines-of-marriage, heteronormative sex. Because only gay men use bats for sex. Duh. MFS62 wrote: I'd like to make the transition from thinking of a player in terms of average/HR/RBI to BA/OBP/SLG, but I still am not sure what is a good number to look for. Sort of this for me too. I know what a .250 batting average is as opposed to .300 and .320, but I have difficulty discerning what a good OBP is for a leadoff hitter, a cleanup hitter, etc. Also - I tend to lose myself in just observing the game as opposed to strategizing along with the manger. I wish it was second nature to me to know when to bunt, when to 'take two and hit to left', etc. The really obvious stuff I get, but it's the more intricate crap that befuddles me sometimes. My 14 year-old plays 2B on a travel team and I get a kick out of hearing him yell out different satrategic positions at the other infielders as the situations warrant. 'Pinch the middle!' is my favorite although I never know when he is going to scream it.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2011 10:26 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Frayed Knot wrote: Why can't options be based on statistcs? If not stats, then what? Because of the idea that a player would then play strictly for his stats and not for the team; ex: trying to hit HRs in situations that didn't call for it only because he's got a contract bonus that'll pay him if he does. I figured the union would want a player's salary as unrelated to his actual performance as possible.

dgwphotography Apr 29 2011 11:05 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Edgy DC wrote: I'm embarassed to admit that I don't understand how thrusting a bat through a circle in your fingers created by your thumb and index finger distinguishes filthy, perverted, gay sex from healthy, within-the-confines-of-marriage, heteronormative sex. This way, the [sarcasm]esteemed[/sarcasm] Gloria Allred can make more money from the upcoming lawsuit with allegations of gay slurs included.

attgig Apr 29 2011 11:20 AM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Edgy DC wrote: I'm embarassed to admit that I don't understand how thrusting a bat through a circle in your fingers created by your thumb and index finger distinguishes filthy, perverted, gay sex from healthy, within-the-confines-of-marriage, heteronormative sex. PUHAHAHAHA made me laugh so much. gloria allred.... *sigh* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKTSiH4bDtY

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 29 2011 02:14 PM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Huh! PhillieBot can throw a baseball! philliebot got booed. m.e.t.b.o.t. doesn't get booed. were m.e.t.b.o.t. ever subjected to such a rude display of human disrespect and ignorance, the human population would find itself suddenly decremented by sufficient numbers as to assure the incident neither continues nor repeats. about this, m.e.t.b.o.t. will say nothing else. while m.e.t.b.o.t. is small and unarmed, and is no more difficult to kick down a road than a used and discarded hollow aluminum right circular cylinder designd to contain, protect, and facilitate the distribution of harvested and processed cream-style kernels of maize, m.e.t.b.o.t. has allies. you have been warned.

attgig May 05 2011 12:29 PM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

here's another one..... who decided that today is a good day for day games? why can't every game on a weekday be a night game? do teams have to have a certain number of day games?

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 05 2011 12:30 PM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

Travel days they try to schedule earlier games. Some of this dictated by CBA.

Ceetar May 05 2011 12:36 PM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Travel days they try to schedule earlier games. Some of this dictated by CBA. Giants are going home, playing tomorrow. a normal start ends at 7pm, by the time they could get changed and to the airport and take off, maybe 10. 6 hour flight, 4am and then they still have to get home from the airport and sleep and get to the park at 7. I believe the CBA dictates that you can't play a night game on the west coast and a game on the east coast the next day. Although I think ESPN screws this up all the time.

Gwreck May 05 2011 12:44 PM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

There are exceptions for TV, plus exceptions for the fact that the Cubs mostly play during the day, or that it's hot in Miami and Arlington in the summer, etc. Basic agreement is a fascinating read. PDF here.

HahnSolo May 05 2011 12:52 PM Re: Baseball things you're embarrassed to admit you don't kn

HOme opener in 2009 to christen Citi Field was a night game due to the fact that the Padres played a day game on the west coast the day before.