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BBQ - Smoking -Grilling

metirish
May 02 2011 01:20 PM

Or whatever you call it , talk about it here.

A few years back I bought this offset smoker at Home Depot for IIRC around $170



truth was I would buy any type of charcoal and use lighting fluid to get it going , it was OK , last summer I barely did any BBQing due to scumbag tenants but they are gone now so I'm going crazy down the back yard....I resolved to do it better so I bought a few books(yeah kill me)



this book is for people that use either a Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker/Smoker that Bucket mentioned , the offset type like I have or the kettle smoker which I also have.....

this is the book that opened my eyes...geez ,I never even used the firebox for anything and here is this guy using it for the charcoal ....the book is great although the guy comes across as a do it my way or the highway type....he's a barbecue life coach he says....whatever.....he has some great ideas and certainly got me on the right path....the vents?, never used them..natural lump charcoal I never used....so no more fluids....I bought a chimney starter which really makes life easier , bought some basic tools and am working that smoker they way it should be.

Also got this book which is great as it has hundreds of great recipes.




Questions

Dry rub on the ribs and or do you use a wet mop throughout?

Wiviott has you apply a dry rub on the ribs and then walks you through the whole process , I did it that way Sunday of last week and it was fun and the ribs came out excellent...five hours in the offset...I did the same size rack on the kettle yesterday and as it's smaller it hots up quicker and takes more looking out for....basically before I would do the ribs OVER the fire but with this method it's indirect smoking and it really does make the difference....

Tips for better smoking?

seawolf17
May 02 2011 01:27 PM
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I have the Raichlen book too; it's pretty good.

We've only used our smoker twice, mostly because we're too lazy to put that kind of effort into cooking, sadly. I'm going to have to break it out this year.

metirish
May 02 2011 01:29 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
I have the Raichlen book too; it's pretty good.

We've only used our smoker twice, mostly because we're too lazy to put that kind of effort into cooking, sadly. I'm going to have to break it out this year.



effort , that's key isn't it....it takes time and effort to do it ... preparation is key too...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 02 2011 01:57 PM
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Really it's more prep and organization than effort. It's pretty easy otherwise.

The effort is only in resisting the temptation to open the lid, because every time you do (I heard) you add another 15 minutes to the cook time if you have a substantial piece of meat up there. I try only to open it to change coals (once or maybe twice during a long cook). The water/steam mixes in with the smoke and makes it nice and juicy and tasty.

I've done ribs, turkeys, chickens on there. I am getting better at doing the preparations, etc., and screw up less often. I'm definitely still futzing around with what woods and how much smoke is appropriate. A book would prolly be useful.

Dry rub on the ribs and or do you use a wet mop throughout?


Dry rub: Brown sugar, paprika, cayenne, cumin (?), salt, pepper, etc: I like it sweet and also a little hot.

Btw, apply it by spreading out the rub on foil and pressing or rolling the meat into it. At first I used the word 'rub' too literally -- not necessary. Also, do it the night before.

metirish
May 02 2011 02:01 PM
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Wiviott has a technique where he has you apply regular yellow mustard over the ribs and that makes the rub stick to the meat, he claims that the mustard over the period of the hours it takes to smoke doesn't in any way effect the taste. I've done the mustard both times....


you doing spares or baby backs mostly?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 02 2011 02:05 PM
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We did spares yesterday, but that mostly depends on what was on sale.

metirish
May 02 2011 02:08 PM
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One thing I noticed at my local Keyfood is that the baby backs are always cut to individual ribs....wtf is that about?

Costo has some great ribs....

I want to do a brisket , you've done one JCL?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 02 2011 02:09 PM
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Maybe? I will try one soon.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 02 2011 02:17 PM
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Use chipotle with discretion, if you're going wet.

Used 7 instead of 6-- from the adobo can-- in prepping a smoky-blood-orange marinade on Saturday for pork ribs last night, and it turned the ribs from "piquant, maybe the baby will eat this" to "holyhellwhatdidIdotodeservethisfireinmymouth" with no additional spicing.

Vic Sage
May 03 2011 03:14 PM
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i try to grill every weekend in the summer. I use a big charcoal grill, starting the briquets in a chimney. I won't use gas grill or starter fluid, but that's as much of a purist as i can afford to be.

As much as i would love a smoker, and learn to use it, there is no such thing as a day that i can devote 5-7 hours (much less 10-12 hours) to cooking. When you have kids, they always have to be somewhere or go somewhere or get back from somewhere, and it's usually 2 different places at the same time. Maybe when they're grown and gone i can do it. now, its 1 hour tops (not including prep time), so its marinated meats and veggies, grilled at highest possible heat for quickest possible results. Overnite marinating and over-seasoning compensates (to some extent) for lack of grill time.

I don't know where youse guys find the time. I'm jealous.

MFS62
May 03 2011 09:29 PM
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My neighbor caught some bluefish and smoked them using hickory chips. Came out great, because the smoking process took the oil out of what is a very oily fish.

You might want to give that a try.

Later

Methead
May 04 2011 08:13 AM
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They make smokers now that pretty much run themselves, using wood chips or pellets that get fed into the chamber automatically. I realize it's barbecue sacrilege but I've been thinking about getting one. Much like Vic, don't have the time (or the inclination, actually) to babysit a smoker for 8 hours.

Vic Sage
May 04 2011 01:56 PM
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Even an automatic smoker would be difficult, cuz i just couldn't let it burn in my backyard while i abandoned it to run errands.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 15 2011 09:33 PM
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This is the droid I'm looking for.

metsmarathon
May 16 2011 07:17 AM
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when i grill stuff up, usually it's a steak and usually it's just with my own seasoned salt blend (basically a cobbled-together mix of the spices i use and like the most, with a whole lot of salt, too. cumin is probably the dominant spice, followed in no particular order by onion, garlic, chili powder, paprika, a little bit of cayenne, and a bunch of other stuff).

last night i rubbed a little of the salt onto a pair of juicy grass-fed organic sirloin cuts that we'd gotten from a local sussex county farm, and hoo-boy was it good, despite the fact that i ever so gently got them on to the wrong side of medium - though i figure for a toddler, lightly overdone is safer than slightly underdone. grilled asparagus and squash were on the side.

minimm had about half a steak all by himself. as soon as i'd cut some up for him, it was gone. he got indignant a few times when i dared eat some of it myself. the kid loves cow.

like vic, i'd love to get into smoking, but cannot perceive where i'd have the time.

metirish
May 16 2011 07:22 AM
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This is the droid I'm looking for.




love this


here is a great resource for all things grilling....simple , as it should be

http://www.bbqpitboys.com/

http://www.youtube.com/show?p=PPAq-rN3oEI&s=1


I've made some rubs and sauces from here, good stuff.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2011 07:31 AM
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Yesterday was Lunchpail's bday party. I tried to keep it simple and do hot dogs for the kids and chicken drumstix for the adults.

Marinated the chicken overnite in a combo of 'herbs de provence' (kind of mix of thyme, savory, lavender, fennel, etc), white wine, olive oil, red pepper flakes, garlic and whole grain mustard according to a recipe I saw on the weber website. Came out great.

metirish
May 16 2011 07:46 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Yesterday was Lunchpail's bday party. I tried to keep it simple and do hot dogs for the kids and chicken drumstix for the adults.

Marinated the chicken overnite in a combo of 'herbs de provence' (kind of mix of thyme, savory, lavender, fennel, etc), white wine, olive oil, red pepper flakes, garlic and whole grain mustard according to a recipe I saw on the weber website. Came out great.



'herbs de provence' , been seen this a lot in various books and sites, wanting to try it , the recipe I want to do has it for lamb, looks great.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2011 07:55 AM
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It's some French herby shit, green and crackly. You can buy it already premixed, that's how mine was.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 29 2011 09:42 PM
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Fiery weekend at Chez Bucket:

Prime porterhouse last night, just threw it on the grill with a little herbs, steak was thick and actually cooked it more on one side than the other. I can do better on that. Asparagus on the same grill, I peeled them first, squeezed some lime on them, wrapped in foil. They were soft but a million times easier to eat than unpeeled and very tasty. Do you guys ever peel asparagus?

Tonite, half chicken breasts with Old Bay and cayanne rub, this has become the easiest thing in the word, pile charcoal in the middle, chicken on the sides, close the lid, come back in an hour. Also small red potatoes.

Finally, got some giant Portobellos, chopped up red & yello peppers, garlic, olive oil and balsamic on the stem side. Cooked them stem up in indirect heat with a lid for 15 mins, then flipped for 5. EXCELLENT.

Pork shoulder on smoker first thing tomorrow.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 29 2011 11:09 PM
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Where there's smoke, there's JCL's house.

Simple, classic chili-dry-rub plus a coke-and-cider-vinegar sauce going on tomorrow/this morning, for a family barbecue mid-afternoon (to accompany the burgers, natural-casing doggies, and lamb kielbasa).

metirish
May 30 2011 06:18 AM
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Two racks of baby backs all rubbed up , burgers, chicken , dogs and the rest hopefully going on later....it's flogging rain right now, supposed to clear up though.

metirish
Jun 07 2011 10:29 AM
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Been using this exclusively and it makes a difference



Home Depot for $7 a bag

did some rib steaks last night , man they were good.

TransMonk
Jun 07 2011 10:58 AM
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My fiance got a pork CSA rom a local farm this summer. Pork chops, spare ribs, pork roast and brats.

There will be brats on the mini Weber in the Miller Park parking lot this afternoon.

92 degree heat be damned!

MFS62
Jun 07 2011 10:18 PM
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HELP!
My wife wants me to cook london broil AND chicken breasts for the crowd coming over for Fathers Day. We have a gas barbecue.
What do I put on the grill first?
I hate grilling chicken breasts because they always seem to come out either underdone or overcooked/ rubbery.
I've tried suggesting we eat out, but that idea was a non-starter.
Some cooking hints for the chicken, please. We marinate them before cooking.
BUT, how do I test them for perfect doneness?

Later

metirish
Jun 08 2011 09:32 AM
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OK , I think you should heat the grill for a while , throw the chicken skin down and DON'T touch them for several minutes, flip them and do the same thing , taken them of direct heat and finish them off.

Initial flareups can be controlled by turning down the gas.

Make sure the grill is clean please, before lighting it wipe the grate down with vegetable oil.

a meat thermometer I find very helpful when doing chicken

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1260 ... 7547270160

I bought a similar and cheaper one at Sears.

attgig
Jun 09 2011 01:40 PM
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I've used this thermometer for a while before it died on me after a few years of use. I got a different one that uses rf to transmit the temp to a separate unit, but it's very unreliable, and wish i just bought the same one i had before again. just worked real well.


and yes, I've used that for chicken and gave me the absolute best results I've ever gotten with chicken. I would take it out at 160, and let carryover cooking get it up 165. food safety folks say 170, but it gets too dry then.

attgig
Jun 09 2011 01:58 PM
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oh, and I'm hoping to start smoking soon (only have a gas grill, and i've used a little box to put wood chips in it to "smoke" meats on the grill before - not true smoking...),
and came across this little guy:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Outdoor ... w9MynSeamY

now, I know it's a gas smoker... but, considering my limitations on my deck/house....i think i would have to go that way... now the question is, is it worth using a gas smoker? or should i wait until i move (no, i'm not moving just to smoke meats, but it'll definitely be one of the things I take advantage of) and get a charcoal smoker? or would this actually be good to give me good results?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 09 2011 02:50 PM
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I'm sure it would do the job but definitely less challenging. My cheapo charcoal water smoker at Wal-mart for less than I paid for it new 8 years ago. See this is what's wrong with America.

[url]http://www.walmart.com/ip/Meco-Charcoal-amp-Water-Smoker-w-2-Levels-Of-Cooking/12441314

metirish
Jun 09 2011 03:17 PM
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You know what the great thing about smoking and I think JCL will agree, there is little smoke, the only real smoke is when you are getting the charcoal lit in the chimney.

When are you moving? , save your money and get the smoker bucket linked.

attgig
Jun 13 2011 01:21 PM
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metirish wrote:
You know what the great thing about smoking and I think JCL will agree, there is little smoke, the only real smoke is when you are getting the charcoal lit in the chimney.

When are you moving? , save your money and get the smoker bucket linked.


probably not anytime soon. Last year, I was hoping this year. Now I'm hoping before the end of the year :-/

metirish
Jul 11 2011 07:02 AM
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Low and slow



first time I did beer can chicken, very moist.

Vic Sage
Jul 11 2011 12:07 PM
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give me your beer can chicken recipe please?

metirish
Jul 11 2011 12:19 PM
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Beer can recipe is simple.....a dry rub all over the chicken , I used a BBQ rub I made , here that is

http://www.bbqpitboys.com/classic_ameri ... y_rub.html

a can of beer , any beer I suppose , empty half out , throw some of the rub into the remaining can, stick it inside and throw it on the grate....indirect heat is best , internal temp 185ish .....I put the chicken on about one and a half hours after the ribs , total cook time was around 2.5 hours........I was supposed do this on Saturday but couldn't so it happened by chance that the chicken and ribs had the rub on overnight in the fridge.

Once on the grill it's simple, pull the legs forward to help balance it, turn it every now and then......I like to spray apple juice on ribs and chicken when cooking.....

My cooking temp was always 250+, peaked at 290.....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 11 2011 12:24 PM
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Moist as hell, plus it's, like, rising to greet you, all chipper-like. ("Hiya! Eat me!")

Plus plus, you really get to show the chicken who's boss, y'know?

Ceetar
Jul 11 2011 12:25 PM
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I hope you emptied half out the proper way..

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 11 2011 01:01 PM
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I actually bought a cheap beer-can chicken stand at Home Depot, keeps the bird from tipping over while it cooks. Any old dry rub is good, the key is a moist chicken, not entirely sure if the beer is that much better than say, a dish of water.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 01 2011 09:39 AM
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Jumbo shrimp, salmon and baby bok-choy on the grill yesterday.

Overcooked the shrimp a little, which was a shame after deveining it and everything, but made a real tasty lime/chili/cilantro dip to go with it.

Bok-choy came out great, cut in half lengthwise and cut side on grill, brushed with garlic/sesame oil/soy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 30 2011 08:35 PM
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There's a 40-pound pig in a garbage bag in the fridge, just shot it up with marinade, going into the "Chinese Box" for porky fun tomorrow.

Rain's gonna be a challenge.

MFS62
Oct 01 2011 07:00 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
not entirely sure if the beer is that much better than say, a dish of water.

You know that's heresy, don't you?

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 01 2011 06:57 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
There's a 40-pound pig in a garbage bag in the fridge, just shot it up with marinade, going into the "Chinese Box" for porky fun tomorrow.

Rain's gonna be a challenge.


How'd smoke-in-the-water go?

metirish
Oct 01 2011 07:04 PM
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Sure looked good on FB.....weather depending I might do a nice 8 pound standing prime rib in the smoker tomorrow , if not she goes in the over...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2011 03:44 PM
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Went very well in tough conditions!

Key was preparation and a little experience. I'd done a whole pig only once before in this thing, 6 years ago. So I refamilarized myself with the cooker, cleaned it, made sure we had all the stuff we needed, etc beforehand. Tried to get a pig from the local hipster organic butchers but they didn't call me back in time so I would up at a local Polish butcher.

Last time we went with a 55 pounder, and I had to break his rear legs to fit him in the box and we also wound up throwing away a lot of meat. So shot for a 40-45 pounder, the Poles had a 39.5 pounder on hand and I went with that. Incidentally, pork prices have skyrocketed since 2005, the one we bought then came to (I think) $85 total, this one was $4 per pound or around $160 total. The Poles offered to smoke it for me and looked at me like I had two heads when I told them I wanted it raw. It smelled like the place when I brought it home anyway.

The pig was "hog tied" and as a result fit in the bottom shelf of the fridge in a garbage bag on Friday nite. I mixed up a "criollo mojo" marinade of orange juice, lemon juice, water, salt, a head of garlic, cumin and oregano, let it sit for an hour, strained it then injected it into the meat with a vet's syringe every few inches according to a recipe and let it marinate overnight.

Took him out of the fridge around 11:30 yesterday morning and let him achieve room temperature while I started coals in the chimney lighter. I clipped the ties, moistened his skin with salty water, then salted the skin, and laid him on the rack. He was split crotch to throat but I had to hack a little higher into his sternum to get him properly splayed. By now I had a lot of burning coals, so I laid him in the box on the grease tray, covered the box with the charcoal tray and dumped the charcoal on top, eventually getting 14 pounds spread out evenly on top.

From there, I added 8-10 pounds of charcoal for each of the next three hours. This is the best part of the caja china, there really isn't anything to do but drink beverages and sniff. At 3.5 hours, I had a friend put on a pair of BBQ gloves and help me move off the charcoal tray to dump the ash and flip the pig. This where my experience was helpful, I remember that the ash flew everywhere including all over the pig last time so I covered him in foil when we dumped the ashes. I also remembered to have a safe place to dump them so I didn't set my lawn on fire this time.

The other challenge this time around was rain, but we solved that just by leaning a patio umbrella over the box, it blocked most of it. We were fortunate that we had a window of no rain just when the thing came off so we could serve it off a table in the yard. It started in heavy again after everyone had eaten so I had to clean up in the rain but no biggie. Wound up with 4 big freezer bags of meat scraps and bones to boil down for soups

I let it cook the skin side for about 30 minutes and should have left it on for longer than that but people were getting hungry, so we took it off. The meat was super tender and juicy, especially around the shoulder/neck (the "Boston Butt"). You could barely get a rib because it all fell off the bone (plus they were small ribs, relatively: One guest remarked that although it was a small pig it weighed the same as her 5 year old son also at the party).

Another issue I had the first time I tried this was that I had no clue what to do once the thing came out of the box. This time I was a little more familiar where the different cuts were, though got some help when my brother carved out the entire loin than cut from that, rather than everything off the carcass all haphazardly as I would have done. Finally another guy suggested the still-mushy skin could be wrapped in foil and thrown back onto the still-burning coals, we did that with most of the skin, experimenting for the right amount of crispiness. These rinds turned out so friggin good I sawed off the ears and did the same thing to them, ate a whole one myself.

Wifey Bucket ordered rice, beans and tostones from a local peruvian chicken place to accompany the meal, everyone brought a lot of beer, and a good time was had by all. I only have a few pics below, I'll have to swipe some from my friends to post later.

Hogtied and kinda ugly


In the box just before I closed the lid (photo framing by Lunchpail)


~3.5 hours later, he's cooked but needs skin-crisping on the other side

metirish
Oct 02 2011 04:38 PM
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Freaking awesome Bucket , fair fucks to you for doing a whole hog in October.

themetfairy
Oct 02 2011 05:55 PM
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I like how Mr. Met is giving the carcass last rites.

Frayed Knot
Oct 04 2011 11:47 AM
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My bro-in-law is raving about this --



his latest toy, aka: The Big Green Egg, a sort of hi-tech version of a Japanese smoker/cooker
lump charcoal underneath with flavored wood chips if desired, etc. All kinds of options allowing you to cook with direct flame or indirect heat for making everything up to an including a pizza.

He's real excited about it although he does tend to go a bit overboard with his bar-b-q-ing (why, yes, now that you mention it, he IS a southerner).