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Terry Collins' Questionable Assertion

G-Fafif
May 05 2011 06:51 AM

After Lincecum gemmed the Mets into submission:

"When those guys got in scoring position, he stepped up," Collins said. "We've got to step up, too. We're a big league team, too."


Sometimes it feels the Mets are overmatched. And sometimes it feels like they're just fulfilling play dates.

Kudos for TC for not tipping his cap to the brigade of Cy Young winners the Mets haven't effectively touched since Saturday. Major leaguers are supposed to compete.

“Everybody in America is aware of how good these guys are,” he said. “That speaks for itself. You know, you’ve got to grind out at-bats. You can’t strike out 12 times. And with guys in scoring position when you’ve got to put the ball in play, you’ve got to go up there, get ready to hit. We can’t be late getting our feet down, can’t be late getting in balance. We’ve got to get in there ready to hit, got to hunt something, and we can’t miss it.”


Kudos, too, for his not accepting gracefully Thole's recent befuddlement about baserunners doing a number on his psyche.

Collins said he was rankled that Thole publicly revealed his lack of confidence. Thole, who has had difficulty with passed balls and with throwing out runners, acknowledged to being tight behind the plate.

“It’s a matter of relaxing, that’s the bottom line,” Thole said Tuesday. “Get a couple of guys on base and I get tight a little bit. I’ve got to get away from that.”

For Collins, that was basically a signal for the Giants to run at will. They stole three bases Tuesday.


Given his track record and the unit he's trying to steer to higher ground, Terry may crack soon. Or he may get through to some young players who could use some getting-through-to. The former would be entertaining, but I'm rooting for the latter.

metirish
May 05 2011 07:22 AM
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Did Terry the Twat mention anything about bunting? , should Thole be rankled that Collins publicly said he was rankled?

Ceetar
May 05 2011 07:25 AM
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It's weird, I felt like the Mets actually did well against all three Cy Young award winners, but when you actually look at it, they didn't do very well at all.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 05 2011 07:38 AM
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I loved seeing the "everybody in America" comment in the paper this morning and were it my team I'd be unhappy with almost every aspect of Thole's game so far this season including those remarks.

I'd tell Dickey to STFU until he starts throwing better as well.

Edgy DC
May 05 2011 07:40 AM
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To the extent that the Mets did well, it was mostly their pitching and defense keeping them in the game.

Benjamin Grimm
May 05 2011 07:48 AM
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Give Thole credit for teaching sign language to a deaf little dog.



Mets catcher Josh Thole carries on signal role at home, teaching sign language to his deaf dog

BY Nicholas Hirshon
DAILY NEWS WRITER


Thursday, May 5th 2011, 4:00 AM

In the heat of a Mets game, catcher Josh Thole crouches behind home plate and flashes hand signals to pitchers.

He uses similar gestures to call his dog.

Thole, considered a cornerstone to the Amazin's rebuilding, has taught a deaf pooch named Picca - owned by he and his wife, Kathryn - to understand sign language.

The 24-year-old backstop said his Maltese-poodle mix caught on pretty fast.

"She knows sit, stay, that kind of stuff," Thole proudly told the Daily News. "She's an inside dog. She's very good. She really minds her own business."

The Tholes bought Picca from an Oklahoma breeder in November 2009 as a companion for Kathryn on the Mets' long road trips.

Kathryn didn't notice anything unusual about the dog when she picked her up at a Syracuse airport. She named the canine after "piccolo," the Italian word for "small."

Two months later, the couple noticed the pooch was acting strange.

"She wasn't responding to any of the calls we gave her," Thole said. "She would just ignore us."

He took Picca to a veterinarian, who repeatedly blew on a whistle that emits a high-pitched sound only dogs can hear.

Picca didn't react.

Some pet owners who discover their dogs are deaf fear the difficulties in raising the animals and return them. Thole said that was never an option.

"There was no giving her back," he said.

Animal experts applauded Thole's decision to pore over sign language books and teach Picca.

"He took some initiative. That's really awesome," said dog trainer Ursa Marr of the prestigious Denver Dumb Friends League animal welfare group.

Victoria Wells, an expert on deaf dogs at the ASPCA, said Thole's system is actually more effective than verbal cues that many dog owners use with their pets.

"We tend to use words too frequently," she said. "Dogs don't understand human language."

When Thole wants Picca to sit, he puts his index finger and middle finger together, then cups it with his other hand. When he wants Picca to stay, he puts his hand up as if he's going for a high-five.

The catcher said raising a deaf dog has advantages. Picca always gives him a workout when he visits with his in-laws in upstate Owego.

"If I was to go up to get the mail or something, my dog would follow me and take off," he said. "I couldn't call her. I'd have to chase her."

Ceetar
May 05 2011 07:49 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
To the extent that the Mets did well, it was mostly their pitching and defense keeping them in the game.



defense, except for a couple of key moments..

But last night it's like "Oh, there' a 1-out double! nice" or "oooh, first and third, no outs!" or "Lincecum's through 5 innings with 88 pitches, our middle of the order coming up! This is the chance to get a run and/or make sure we have at least 2 innings of bullpen!"

The same with Halladay, they worked him and got a lot of hits. Obviously you gotta credit the pitchers for buckling down and spreading out those hits and what not. It was always nice how Johan pitched better with RISP, but the culprit from the Mets side remains the same: hit with RISP or you're going to lose 140 games..


Last night I wasn't expecting another inning from Lincecum. Beltran and Davis got hits off of him in the 6th to create trouble, and I credited the scoreless inning more to Paulino Harris and Pridie than Timmy.

Edgy DC
May 05 2011 08:01 AM
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Let's face it, we have a lot of borderline major league outfielders right now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 05 2011 08:04 AM
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I think on some level the regulars are like us: They see that lineup 6-9 last night, Lincecum on the mound, and feel like they're going to lose, especially after having kicked the winnable opener.

TransMonk
May 05 2011 08:12 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I think on some level the regulars are like us: They see that lineup 6-9 last night, Lincecum on the mound, and feel like they're going to lose, especially after having kicked the winnable opener.

I think this can be said for not just last night, but for major parts of the past 3 seasons.

Edgy DC
May 05 2011 08:17 AM
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Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.

Ceetar
May 05 2011 08:22 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.


I would've gladly taken a week of Fernando until Pagan returned.

metirish
May 05 2011 08:34 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.



did I miss something about Fernando his first few go arounds?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 05 2011 08:40 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.


I would've gladly taken a week of Fernando until Pagan returned.


I don;t think they believe he can play CF. Nieuwenhuis is still OPSing at 1.000 and playing CF for Buffalo but also whiffing alot (27 in 98 ABs).

Edgy DC
May 05 2011 08:45 AM
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Maybe he can't, but he can give them more outfielding versatility than Duda, and hopefully a more ready-for-primetime bat.

The clock is running down on whether to spit or swallow with this guy, so we ought to chew on him as much as we can.*

*Gross moments in extended metaphor history? You be the judge.

G-Fafif
May 05 2011 08:52 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.


Well, all day long in the clubhouse I hear how great Martinez is at this or how wonderful Martinez did that!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 05 2011 08:54 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.


Came back from the DL, but hasn't played in three days, so...

“It’s a matter of relaxing, that’s the bottom line,” Thole said Tuesday. “Get a couple of guys on base and I get tight a little bit. I’ve got to get away from that.”

For Collins, that was basically a signal for the Giants to run at will. They stole three bases Tuesday.


One could argue that the more prominent cue was that Thole has played like crap defensively for the season's first month. Unless he actually thinks that Giants scouts/coaches are reading THAT afternoon's interview clips for scouting information.

One could also argue that publicly airing out a guy who's not failing for lack of effort-- for his WORDS, no less-- is more than a little shitty for a "veteran" manager to do.

Edgy DC
May 05 2011 09:03 AM
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I don't think he's really aired him out.

metsguyinmichigan
May 05 2011 09:04 AM
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I sure hope that's Thole's wife's dog. No guy picks a little white dog like that!