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Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Centerfield May 06 2011 09:52 PM

Not at the break, not next week, not even tomorrow. NOW!!!!

Gwreck May 06 2011 10:06 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Seconded. He's clearly fully healthy and productive.

Edgy MD May 06 2011 10:22 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ain't no big business going to happen until after that big chunk of the team gets sold off. That seems to be the way it is. Good news is that that seems to be a matter of weeks.

Edgy MD May 06 2011 11:16 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Oh, and a brain-dead article from Forbes disagrees with you.

Centerfield May 07 2011 05:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I don't think I've ever felt compelled to punch someone in the neck (like FMan) until now. Douchebag.

Frayed Knot May 07 2011 06:37 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Centerfield wrote: Not at the break, not next week, not even tomorrow. NOW!!!! Not tomorrow, not after breakfast, ... NOW!!!! Hey, maybe she knows. What say you there fuzzy britches?

Ceetar May 07 2011 06:45 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Ain't no big business going to happen until after that big chunk of the team gets sold off. That seems to be the way it is. Good news is that that seems to be a matter of weeks. A team with Reyes on it is more valuable. So being able to resign him immediately after instantly provides return on investment right?

Frayed Knot May 07 2011 06:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, and a brain-dead article from Forbes disagrees with you. OK, I'm markedly dumber now than I was five minutes ago for having read that. The only saving grace is that it didn't reflexively cite the "Moneyball front office" and Jose's dearth of walks as proof of future incompatibility.

Ceetar May 07 2011 07:26 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Oh, and a brain-dead article from Forbes disagrees with you. OK, I'm markedly dumber now than I was five minutes ago for having read that. The only saving grace is that it didn't reflexively cite the "Moneyball front office" and Jose's dearth of walks as proof of future incompatibility. Actually, it implies that the Moneyball front office is the only reason they're going to do it, but they should've done it anyway. What are these people going to write when they do resign Reyes?

Edgy MD May 07 2011 08:22 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Somebody has to write a counter-article. I mean, it's fucking Forbes. Where do they get off being so willfully stupid?

Edgy MD May 07 2011 08:45 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Ain't no big business going to happen until after that big chunk of the team gets sold off. That seems to be the way it is. Good news is that that seems to be a matter of weeks. A team with Reyes on it is more valuable. So being able to resign him immediately after instantly provides return on investment right? The Mets are a team with Reyes on it. A team that is most valuable is one with Reyes on it and the potential of re-signing him. To a fan, it's one thing. To an investor, as soon as the contract gets locked in --- with big number outlays that one's accountants get to measure against projected revenues --- it's another matter. Cohen, if indeed he is our buyer, is a lifelong fan and therefore we can hope hope he's an advocate for Reyes being extended. But as long as that's a potential deal and not an actual one, the sale can be made with the possiblity that any such deal will be made on terms most advantageous to the Mets. Its just a sports business reality. Teams, usually the wealthier ones, tend to hold the line on payroll before a sale --- and poorer teams slash it to bits.

Ceetar May 07 2011 08:46 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Somebody has to write a counter-article. I mean, it's fucking Forbes. Where do they get off being so willfully stupid? [url]http://www.tedquarters.net/2011/05/07/i-cant-even-muster-up-the-strength/ It 's nothing great, but it is calling it out as stupid. Ted wrote a resign reyes now post earlier this week.

Ashie62 May 07 2011 09:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Can the Mets keep both Jose Reyes and David Wright long term?

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2011 10:04 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'd vote for that.

Ceetar May 07 2011 10:30 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: Can the Mets keep both Jose Reyes and David Wright long term? If they can't, it's time to contract

metsmarathon May 07 2011 10:51 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

when was the last time you saw someone slide feet-first into third for a triple?

Ashie62 May 07 2011 11:02 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metsmarathon wrote: when was the last time you saw someone slide feet-first into third for a triple? Derek Jeter, he does everything perfectly.

soupcan May 07 2011 12:57 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

SIGN HIM, SIGN HIM, SIGN HIM, SIGN HIM!!

Fman99 May 07 2011 01:13 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I couldn't agree more. Letting him walk or dumping him for prospects in July are both AWFUL TERRIBLE ideas.

Frayed Knot May 07 2011 01:30 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: metsmarathon wrote: when was the last time you saw someone slide feet-first into third for a triple? Derek Jeter, he does everything perfectly. How would we know? Jeter now has 28 hits this season; 26 are singles and 11 of those* are infield singles. He's only getting the ball past 2nd base about twice a week or so and so the only time he even gets to 3rd base is when trotting past it on account of being on when Granderson hits another one of his HRs (2 more last night - 10 on the season). * A quick glance showed one was a bunt single but that's the only one where the infield part of the single appeared to be intentional. The others, both the ones I've seen and the ones I've seen described on BBRef.com, are simply well-placed weak bouncers and dribblers.

Frayed Knot May 07 2011 07:45 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

OK, the guy claiming Reyes is dumb looks good tonight. He's still wrong about the whole slide thing though.

TheOldMole May 07 2011 08:19 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Now!

seawolf17 May 08 2011 05:43 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I can't possibly agree with all of this any more. Reyes or Wright on any other team would absolutely crush me. I want so badly for these guys to be my Mets, and my kids' Mets. I want to sound stupid trying to defend them when they're 37 years old and falling apart at the seams. I want to say something like "I'll never be a Mets fan again if they're gone," knowing full-well that's not entirely true, and I'm not a season ticket holder so it's not like the Mets care what I think, but there's no doubt in my mind that this team will lose a chunk of its fan base if you let go of either of those guys.

Rockin' Doc May 08 2011 06:09 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The Mets have the foundation for a solid infield for years to come (Wright, Reyes, and Davis) if they will simply invest in the team's future buy retaining them for several more years. The first step in doing so is to sign Reyes now and not wait for him to hit free agency. I just have a bad feeling that the Mets are going to botch this by either trading Reyes to a contender before the deadline or letting him get to free agency and then losing him.

soupcan May 08 2011 06:18 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Rockin' Doc wrote: I just have a bad feeling that the Mets are going to botch this by either trading Reyes to a contender before the deadline or letting him get to free agency and then losing him. No doubt in my mind that one of these is going to happen and I'm sick over it.

seawolf17 May 08 2011 06:35 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

soupcan wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: I just have a bad feeling that the Mets are going to botch this by either trading Reyes to a contender before the deadline or letting him get to free agency and then losing him. No doubt in my mind that one of these is going to happen and I'm sick over it. I think we all are, and that's why I'm so conflicted about the whole thing. It's in my head that the columnists are writing their "let's trade Reyes" posts just so it seems like public perception wants him traded "for the good of the team," so then they can write more columns about how awful the Mets are for trading away all their homegrown players. You know what? EFF YOU, columnists.

Frayed Knot May 08 2011 07:14 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well of course it's not the columnists' job to root for warm fuzzy stories about Reyes & Wright growing old with the Mets. They need to consider - as does the team - whether signing one or both (Reyes now because the contract is up) truly is the right move for the team and not just the public relations one. My only problem comes from those who act as if the outcome of the season (bad) has already been cast in stone as has the payroll levels for next year and beyond making the solution both obvious and predetermined and the only question remains how and when he'll be gone, not if. It's not that simple even if that's what grabs the most headlines.

SteveJRogers May 08 2011 07:20 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Frayed Knot wrote: Well of course it's not the columnists' job to root for warm fuzzy stories about Reyes & Wright growing old with the Mets. They need to consider - as does the team - whether signing one or both (Reyes now because the contract is up) truly is the right move for the team and not just the public relations one. My only problem comes from those who act as if the outcome of the season (bad) has already been cast in stone as has the payroll levels for next year and beyond making the solution both obvious and predetermined and the only question remains how and when he'll be gone, not if. It's not that simple even if that's what grabs the most headlines. Don't forget the fact that with the Mets financial situation, is resigning Reyes even possible this offseason?

SteveJRogers May 08 2011 07:22 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: soupcan wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: I just have a bad feeling that the Mets are going to botch this by either trading Reyes to a contender before the deadline or letting him get to free agency and then losing him. No doubt in my mind that one of these is going to happen and I'm sick over it. I think we all are, and that's why I'm so conflicted about the whole thing. It's in my head that the columnists are writing their "let's trade Reyes" posts just so it seems like public perception wants him traded "for the good of the team," so then they can write more columns about how awful the Mets are for trading away all their homegrown players. You know what? EFF YOU, columnists. Well, if they do another Ryan trade, sure. But if they end up pulling out a Hershel Walker trade, then I'm sure what the Mets get in return will counter balance whatever career Reyes has in another uniform.

Frayed Knot May 08 2011 07:23 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Don't forget the fact that with the Mets financial situation, is resigning Reyes even possible this offseason? I don't know, but neither do the ones who are definitively saying a half a year or more in advance that it isn't. We don't know the status of the Wilpon's financial situation, nor do we know the effect (or not) of a minority owner (expected by July last I read) and NO ONE knows what the Madoff trustee lawsuit will mean or how it will turn out.

bmfc1 May 09 2011 07:46 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If you trade Wright and/or Reyes, each still in the first half of their careers, you would want several prospects in return and you would hope that any one of them becomes as good as Wright and Reyes are right now. If the prospect developed to that level, it would take years which means that you would go without Wright and/or Reyes production for that time and then would finally be back at the current level. In other words... it makes no sense baseball-wise to trade either of them. It might make sense financially but not on the field and certainly not to the fans who would be forced to watch Hu-like players as the prospects developed. I hope that Alderson figures out a way, as stated earlier here, to keep Ike, David & Jose together and build/re-structure around them.

Ashie62 May 09 2011 07:51 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Sandy will do what the Wilpons tell him to do.

TransMonk May 09 2011 07:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

bmfc1 wrote: I hope that Alderson figures out a way, as stated earlier here, to keep Ike, David & Jose together and build/re-structure around them. This. But it is going to be very expensive to keep Reyes (your league leader in hits at this point). Behind all of the smiles and quoted loyalty, I think he (and his agent) are itching to see how much he can get on the open market.

Edgy MD May 09 2011 07:58 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And there's no reason that an experienced agent can't arrive at an estimate of what that is and present it to the Mets.

metirish May 09 2011 07:58 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I hope that Alderson figures out a way, as stated earlier here, to keep Ike, David & Jose together and build/re-structure around them. This. But it is going to be very expensive to keep Reyes (your league leader in hits at this point). Behind all of the smiles and quoted loyalty, I think he (and his agent) are itching to see how much he can get on the open market. I've no problem with the player wanting to check the open market , this is his one big shot at it. Once he wasn't extended and this went in to the season like this then he'd be a fool not to test the market.

Edgy MD May 09 2011 08:10 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'll disagree courteously. If the Mets come with a generous offer that Reyes' agents view as comparable to what he'd get on the open market, then it could be foolish to pass up an offer made while you're client is playing well and calibrated to good play, in favor of the relative abstraction that is competing offers at the end of the season, a season that could well be filled with less effective play and/or end in injury. A poor economy, too. It's a bird-in-the-hand/birds-in-the-bush choice, and I think we'll have to see what the bird in the hand looks like before we judge what the foolish choice is.

seawolf17 May 09 2011 08:21 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Eight years, $150 million. Make it happen, Sandy.

metsmarathon May 09 2011 08:21 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

let me ask a question. if the mets are unable/unwilling to extend reyes this year, AND the mets are significantly out of contention this year, BUT they are interested in bringing him back as a free agent, does it hurt their chances appreciably to trade him? the biggest risk of course is that he is traded to a contender and falls in love with their team / city / competitiveness. but if he hits free agency, our money is as good as anybody else's (hmm, i guess that's not necessarily true anymore, but assuming that it is...). if we're going to lose him, i'd rather get something in return. but my preference is to sign him fast, snatch him up real quick, and not let go for a good long time. and then i'd do the same thing with david wright.

metirish May 09 2011 08:21 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm in with that Edgy but I don't see the Mets making such an offer.......

seawolf17 May 09 2011 08:24 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I always wanted a team/player to do that. Make a secret agreement where the player promises to resign at some zany amount of guaranteed money, then trade him to a key division rival for a bunch of prospects, only to see him then resign with you in the offseason. Then you get the player back and all of your rival's prospects! That's a win-win, baby.

Ceetar May 09 2011 08:35 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

There are other financials to think about too. I know players don't think about their legacy that much if at all, but agents certainly can. There is value in staying with the Mets, in that it creates revenue for you long beyond your best years. Ask your first base coach before you take off for second. Your number on the wall in LF, being referred to as "The best SS in franchise history" (not that he's not that already) and all that jazz. Talk about how Citi Field is a great place for Reyes to play, stick around and after Citi's done with it they'll rename it after you.

Benjamin Grimm May 09 2011 08:36 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The timeframe is a bit stretched out, but that's kind of what happened with the Phillies and Cliff Lee.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 09 2011 08:52 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: I always wanted a team/player to do that. Make a secret agreement where the player promises to resign at some zany amount of guaranteed money, then trade him to a key division rival for a bunch of prospects, only to see him then resign with you in the offseason. Then you get the player back and all of your rival's prospects! That's a win-win, baby. I think there's an unwritten rule in the Jock Code that forbids a player from re-signing with a team that traded him: It wouldn't appear manly enough. Cliff Lee was a loittle different, he was traded early in his career, and guys who get traded tend to get traded.

Edgy MD May 09 2011 09:41 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

One guy who ride that merry-go-round was Mike F. Bordick. He was traded in the midst of his best season in Baltimore and even as he went, there was an understanding in the local media here that the O's would be looking to re-sign him after the season. And indeed they did. They walk off with Melvin Mora --- and Leslie Brea and Mike Kinkade to boot. What did the Mets get? A crap shortstop in the postseason. Was Aaron Heilman a compensation pick? Alhaji Turay? Anyhow, any secret deal between the team and the player would obviously be illegal. More importantly, I can't imagine either party feeling much compelling them to adhere to the deal if fortunes changed by the time the season ended.

Gwreck May 09 2011 09:57 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Of course a secret deal is illegal. There is nothing stopping Alderson from sitting down with Reyes and his agent and explaining that obviously, the team is not going to compete for the playoffs this year and accordingly, the team is considering trading Reyes in order to get some additional prospects back, and that the Mets want to be competitive bidders for Reyes' services once he reaches free agency, and that leveraging Reyes' contract status for some additional players will only result in Jose coming back to a stronger team. That being said, Alderson's first responsibility is to exhaust all possible efforts to sign Reyes to a contract extension NOW.

Ceetar May 09 2011 09:59 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: One guy who ride that merry-go-round was Mike F. Bordick. He was traded in the midst of his best season in Baltimore and even as he went, there was an understanding in the local media here that the O's would be looking to re-sign him after the season. And indeed they did. They walk off with Melvin Mora --- and Leslie Brea and Mike Kinkade to boot. What did the Mets get? A crap shortstop in the postseason. Was Aaron Heilman a compensation pick? Alhaji Turay? Anyhow, any secret deal between the team and the player would obviously be illegal. More importantly, I can't imagine either party feeling much compelling them to adhere to the deal oif fortunes changed by the time the season ended. Yeah, perhaps if Broken Hand Mike gota hit or two in the WS, and a ring, the Mets would've wondered if it was worth keeping an all-glove SS in 2001 and instead try to keep Bordick. I think he returned to the Os more because veryone else saw him with the Mets and he became damaged goods.. You'd probably imagine Reyes wouldn't be that way. He's Reyes. whereever he ends up he'll be wanted. That Mora for Bordick trade probably was worse, in hindsight obviously, than the Kasmir thing.

Centerfield May 09 2011 10:27 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

No way. The Kazmir deal was far worse. The Kazmir deal exemplified stupidity in that: 1. The club allowed a GM that was on the hot seat to make a panic move. 2. The club was not realistic in their assessment of a team that was on the periphery of a wild card chase. They should have been "sellers" rather than buyers. 3. Blue-Chip prospects shouldn't be traded at the deadline. If you're going to move them, do it in the off-season when there is plenty of time and motivation for everyone to get involved. That maximizes value. 4. Kazmir was traded before alerting other teams that he was available. There was buzz among GM's afterwards that they wished they knew he was available. At that time, Oakland was dealing away aces. This, more than anything else, is utter foolishness. You don't make a trade without doing your due diligence. 5. They traded him for a guy that they knew was hurt. 6. They traded him for a guy who was not good.

G-Fafif May 09 2011 10:46 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

In my bluest and orange bones, I believe that no matter what the Mets do where Reyes is concerned, it will absolutely backfire. They will re-sign him and he will deteriorate quickly and expensively. They will trade him for prospects and the prospects will be proved suspect within 12 months. They will let him go for draft picks and the draft picks will be used on Ryan Jaroncyk redux. He will rescue the MFYs or MFPs from sinking into a post-Jeter or post-Rollins abyss. We won't win with him. We won't win without him. He'll get picked off first and be out crossing from second to third on a grounder to short again and again. He'll stop tripling and won't do much doubling. He'll be blocking Ruben Tejada's or somebody else's path by 2013. I will miss him horribly if I see him in another uniform. I will bitch endlessly as he drains payroll and clogs the DL. Perhaps you Taxi fans remember the two-part Fantasy Island-themed episode ("Fantasy Borough") in which each denizen of the garage imagined a wonderful scenario for him or herself while waiting for fellow ABC star Herve Villechaize to stop by the Sunshine Cab Company to pick up the briefcase he left in Tony's cab. Alex tried to fantasize but couldn't. Wound up making out with a gorgeous woman he discerned was his cousin. That's me and my Jose. I just can't see any of it working out. I want to believe there's an answer. All I come away with are conclusions.

themetfairy May 09 2011 10:52 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

G-Fafif wrote: In my bluest and orange bones, I believe that no matter what the Mets do where Reyes is concerned, it will absolutely backfire. They will re-sign him and he will deteriorate quickly and expensively. They will trade him for prospects and the prospects will be proved suspect within 12 months. They will let him go for draft picks and the draft picks will be used on Ryan Jaroncyk redux. He will rescue the MFYs or MFPs from sinking into a post-Jeter or post-Rollins abyss. We won't win with him. We won't win without him. He'll get picked off first and be out crossing from second to third on a grounder to short again and again. He'll stop tripling and won't do much doubling. He'll be blocking Ruben Tejada's or somebody else's path by 2013. I will miss him horribly if I see him in another uniform. I will bitch endlessly as he drains payroll and clogs the DL. Perhaps you Taxi fans remember the two-part Fantasy Island-themed episode ("Fantasy Borough") in which each denizen of the garage imagined a wonderful scenario for him or herself while waiting for fellow ABC star Herve Villechaize to stop by the Sunshine Cab Company to pick up the briefcase he left in Tony's cab. Alex tried to fantasize but couldn't. Wound up making out with a gorgeous woman he discerned was his cousin. That's me and my Jose. I just can't see any of it working out. I want to believe there's an answer. All I come away with are conclusions. This

TheOldMole May 09 2011 10:53 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well of course it's not the columnists' job to root for warm fuzzy stories about Reyes & Wright growing old with the Mets. They need to consider - as does the team - whether signing one or both (Reyes now because the contract is up) truly is the right move for the team and not just the public relations one. No, their job is to sell newspapers. They have no obligation to the team, or to right moves, at all.

Gwreck May 09 2011 10:57 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

G-Fafif wrote: That's me and my Jose. I just can't see any of it working out. I want to believe there's an answer. All I come away with are conclusions. You can't see him signing a seven year deal with the Mets at $120 million, in which Reyes performs for three years at his 06/07/08/11 level (he'll be age 29-31), followed by two years of above-average (but not superstar) performance (age 32-33) followed by two years of slightly above average to replacement-level performance (age 34-35)? 'Cause that's what I see.

attgig May 09 2011 11:15 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Gwreck wrote: Of course a secret deal is illegal. There is nothing stopping Alderson from sitting down with Reyes and his agent and explaining that obviously, the team is not going to compete for the playoffs this year and accordingly, the team is considering trading Reyes in order to get some additional prospects back, and that the Mets want to be competitive bidders for Reyes' services once he reaches free agency, and that leveraging Reyes' contract status for some additional players will only result in Jose coming back to a stronger team. That being said, Alderson's first responsibility is to exhaust all possible efforts to sign Reyes to a contract extension NOW. i think all of that trade to resign won't work if the mets want any real prospects. if the price is high enough, the other team will ask for a negotiating window to work out something longer. if the mets refuse, then i don't expect them to get much back in return.

G-Fafif May 09 2011 11:19 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Gwreck wrote: G-Fafif wrote: That's me and my Jose. I just can't see any of it working out. I want to believe there's an answer. All I come away with are conclusions. You can't see him signing a seven year deal with the Mets at $120 million, in which Reyes performs for three years at his 06/07/08/11 level (he'll be age 29-31), followed by two years of above-average (but not superstar) performance (age 32-33) followed by two years of slightly above average to replacement-level performance (age 34-35)? 'Cause that's what I see. Conceptually, perhaps, though I'd like to wait to decide what 2011 is (he was all-world for a spell in 2010 before falling off). Deep down, I think 2006 was five years ago and I've not seen that Jose all that much since about August 2007. Real fine player at times. Real fine player at the moment. $17 million per annum player out into 2018? Makes me queasy trying to answer that honestly.

Ceetar May 09 2011 11:35 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

so pay him closer to $20 for '13, '14, '15. have '16 '17 be closer to $14 [crossout:91deiz9d]Or you could convince him to defer a lot of it, while investing it with a ..[/crossout:91deiz9d] I'd rather have him, even at 2010 levels, for years rather than have his 'replacement'. I hardly think it's given, nor even likely, that he'll be bad at the end of the contract. Sure, he'll steal less bases, and get less triples. But are you watching? This isn't Luis Castillo. He's not getting 30 infield hits a year. His BABIP isn't even high, he's not getting on base an abnormal amount based on being able to beat throws. (Castillo's was like .335 career) Addionally, he's got a strong arm. If he loses a step at SS, it won't be the end of the world and he'll still be able to make the throws or can transition to second or elsewhere.

seawolf17 May 09 2011 11:58 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: Yeah, perhaps if Broken Hand Mike gota hit or two in the WS, and a ring, the Mets would've wondered if it was worth keeping an all-glove SS in 2001 and instead try to keep Bordick. I think he returned to the Os more because veryone else saw him with the Mets and he became damaged goods. If Broken Hand Mike had done that, he would have signed an eight-year, $150 million extension, and fans of the Cleveland Indians would be having this "should we sign Jose Reyes" debate right now.

metirish May 10 2011 02:06 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ken Davidoff goes two parter on us , but first who'll get traded.....some good stuff in here. Which Mets will be going, going, gone? The Mets kicked off action in Denver last night with a 15-19 record. Not awful. The Red Sox stood at 16-18, and Baseball Prospectus’ playoff odds have Boston capturing the American League wild card. But we need no sophisticated equations to know that the Mets simply don’t look like a contender this season — although, if you like sophisticated equations, BP had the Mets with a 0.3-percent chance to win the National League East and 0.9 percent to get the NL wild card. A good organization plans for all scenarios, so you can bet that the Mets, under the intelligent leadership of Sandy Alderson, are preparing for the chance that they’ll be sellers come July. Not just any sellers, either. The Mets, their poor record notwithstanding, have the sort of potentially available talent that could make Citi Field the trade-deadline headquarters, and could replenish the Mets’ talent base considerably. Let’s take a look. The players are listed in order of buzz they are generating: JOSE REYES Why he’ll be traded His contract expires after this season, and if he keeps up his strong start, he’ll put himself in line for an immense contract on the free-agent market. Why he won’t be traded Besides the slim chance that the Mets will be in the playoff race? If the Mets’ ownership straightens out its finances and if Alderson alters his philosophy about long-term contracts, then Reyes — who could get a free-agent contract worth more than $100 million — could stay.2011 stats.331 BA, .379 OBP, 49 H, 12 SBs. Likely returnThe best of any other impending free agent. Look at what Seattle got from Texas last July for Cliff Lee, who was in a similar contract situation — a top-flight prospect (first baseman Justin Smoak) and three more young players with some promise. Possible suitorsBoston, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Oakland, San Francisco, St. Louis. Likelihood he’ll be traded: 80% CARLOS BELTRAN- Why he’ll be traded: Like Reyes, he can be a free agent, and like Reyes, he is playing well. Why he won’t be tradedThere’s no good reason. If the Mets aren’t in contention, they’ll have zero incentive to hold on to Beltran. They wouldn’t even recoup draft picks if they kept him and then lost him through free agency. 2011 stats: .295 BA, .536 SLG, 5 HRs, 18 RBIs. Likely return t depends wholly on how much money the Mets would be willing to include. With an $18.5-million salary, Beltran will have about $6 million owed him from August onward. The more the Mets provide, the better talent they’ll get back. Possible suitors: Atlanta, Detroit, Angels, Yankees, San Francisco, Tampa Bay. Likelihood he’ll be traded: 98 percent. FRANCISCO RODRIGUEZ Why he’ll be traded: Like Reyes and Beltran, free agency beckons — but he has a $17.5-million vesting option for 2012 that activates with 55 games finished. He entered last night’s game on pace for 52. Why he won’t be traded: That vesting option could be a deal-breaker. There even could be teams looking to acquire him as a setup man, which would lower his trade value. 2011 stats: 1.17 ERA, 9 saves. Likely return: Like with Beltran, the dollars will be an issue; K-Rod has about $3.8 million coming to him in the final two months. Possible suitors: Boston, Cincinnati, Detroit, Florida, Angels, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Texas. Likelihood he’ll be traded: 55 percent. MIKE PELFREY Why he’ll be traded: With a $3.93-million salary, and with two more years before free agency, Pelfrey will keep getting more expensive for the Mets. Will he keep getting better? Why he won’t be traded: If he keeps slipping and sliding his way through this campaign, it might not make sense to sell low on him. 2011 stats: 2-3, 6.06 ERA. Likely return: Assuming he can look like his old self until July, Pelfrey could bring back a nice package, highlighted by a top-flight prospect, since a) he’d be a long-term investment rather than a rental and b) it doesn’t look like there’ll be much quality starting pitching available. Possible suitors: Cincinnati, Colorado, Florida, Yankees, Texas. Likelihood he’ll be traded: 25 percent. DAVID WRIGHT Why he’ll be traded: If a team knocks the Mets’ socks off with an offer of impressive prospects. Think of the package Texas received from Atlanta for Mark Teixeira. Why he won’t be traded:He’s under team control through 2013, and even though he has declined since 2008, he still has value to the Mets. 2011 stats: .240 BA, 5 HRs, 16 RBIs. Likely return: He’d go only if the return were tremendous. In that Teixeira trade, Texas received five players, including the major league-ready Jarrod Saltalamacchia and young studs Elvis Andrus and Neftali Feliz. Possible suitors: Cincinnati, Colorado, Oakland. Likelihood he’ll be traded: 10 percent. The rest (Tim Byrdak, Chris Capuano, Scott Hairston, Jason Isringhausen) Why they’ll be traded: They’re all impending free agents. No reason to keep them around if the club isn’t contending. Why they won’t be traded: Someone might be hurt. Likely return: Nothing over which to throw a party. But good scouting and negotiating could produce a few interesting, lower-tier prospects. Likely suitors: Everyone could use bullpen and bench help. If Capuano improves and Dillon Gee produces, the purported Pelfrey suitors could be in on them. Likelihood they’ll be traded: Byrdak 80 percent, Capuano 70 percent, Hairston 75 percent, Isringhausen 85 percent. The Jose Reyes trade dilemma, Part I For Tuesday's Newsday, I produced a Mets inventory check, based on the increasingly safe assumption that the Mets won't be in contention come July. I listed the players in order of the buzz they're generating on the yakosphere (trademark Neil Best), and using that criteria, listing Jose Reyes first was a no-brainer. I've read many good arguments - some from fellow media folk, some from readers with whom I communicate - about why the Mets should not trade Reyes this season. Nevertheless, I can think of only one good reason to retain him, and that's if the Mets mount a surprising playoff run. In my mind, there are two distinct questions here concerning Reyes. The first is, "Should they trade him?" The second is, "Should they commit to him long-term?" They intersect. But they are different questions. So let's address the first question Tuesday, and the second one Wednesday. And the answer to the first one, again, is, "As long as they're not in the race? Absolutely." If the Mets were so inclined, then Fred and Jeff Wilpon, Sandy Alderson and Terry Collins could sit Reyes in a meeting room at Citi Field on, say, July 15 and deliver this speech: "Jose, we think the world of you. We want you to spend your prime as a Met. We want you to reitre as a Met. "But there really is no point in you hanging around here for the rest of the season. We're out of the race. Aren't you tired of playing out the string? We feel it's win-win if we trade you. You get to enjoy your first pennant race in a while, and you're gonna bring back some exciting young players in a trade. "Really, by trading you, we're making ourselves more appealing to you come free agency. You want to win a World Series ring, and by trading you, we'll be closer to that goal than we are today. "So go ahead to (Cincinnati, San Francisco, wherever), and have a great time. And we'll be waiting for you on the other side." Is there precedent for such an arrangement? I can of two quasi-parallels: 1) In spring training of 1997, the Indians traded Kenny Lofton to Atlanta. Lofton spent the '97 season with the Braves, then returned to the Indians as a free agent for the 1998 season. 2) In July of 2003, Baltimore traded Sidney Ponson to San Francisco. Then the Orioles signed Ponson the subsequent winter. There's an obvious risk in this strategy. Reyes could fall in love with his new club. Or, he could play so well, including on a postseason platform, that he could raise his price to a prohibitive level for the Mets, whose owners might not be able to afford a huge commitment and whose general manager might be philosophically opposed to it, anyway. We'll delve more into those issues Wednesday. For now, I think it's absolutely worth the risk of trading Reyes, given the return that should be coming. --UPDATE, 10:46 a.m.: Got two more examples of this "temporary separation" phenomenon on Twitter. My buddy Mark Hale from the New York Post asked if Cliff Lee - traded by the Phillies, only to return to them a year later - qualified. I suppose it would, although I don't think the Phillies ever thought they would get Lee back. And Rob Zloto asked about Mike Bordick, whom the Mets acquired from Baltimore to replace the injured Rey Ordonez in 2000 and who returned to the Orioles for 2001. Absolutely. A very good example. http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.2866641

holychicken May 10 2011 02:23 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

On Beltran: "They wouldn’t even recoup draft picks if they kept him and then lost him through free agency." Why is that?

seawolf17 May 10 2011 02:36 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

They have an agreement not to offer him arbitration, I believe, which is where the picks come from.

TransMonk May 10 2011 02:43 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: They have an agreement not to offer him arbitration, I believe, which is where the picks come from. Yup.

Ceetar May 10 2011 02:54 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

of course, there is some talk that the CBA will change and no one will get picks anyway. Also, I'm not sure on the wording of the contract, but if the agreement is the Mets won't offer him arbitration, another team would likely see value in signing him AND getting picks at the end of that, making the potential return higher. Of course, they could change the CBA. I don't know how GMs are valuing that when it comes to trading. There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke.

batmagadanleadoff May 10 2011 03:02 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke. The bigger joke is the one where the Mets clinch 1st place on September 25.

TransMonk May 10 2011 03:04 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, any small hope I had about this being a winning season was zapped when Chris Young's season came to an end. I'm all for selling off what we can if the prospects coming back are right. It's both good and bad that outside of Ike, Jose and Carlos are the two most consistent offensive players on the team in 2011. I don't see them trading Wright, or that there will be any takers for Pelfrey, but I fully expect Beltran and Frankie to be shopped hard. I'm also preparing myself now for the likelihood that Jose will be wearing different colors in August.

metirish May 10 2011 03:08 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 10 2011 03:12 PM

TransMonk wrote: seawolf17 wrote: They have an agreement not to offer him arbitration, I believe, which is where the picks come from. Yup. That's fucking dumb, is that a verbal agreement from Omar or an actual contract stipulation? , because if it's a verbal then Alderson can say screw that, of course Beltran could accept then, not going to reach that point though.

TransMonk May 10 2011 03:11 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm fairly certain that it's part of the contract.

Frayed Knot May 10 2011 03:18 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It's a contract clause that seems to be becoming increasingly popular so the draft picks part of the process may start to fade away on its own even without a re-negotiation of the CBA. Potential FAs know that the prospect of the signing team losing draft picks effectively makes them a more expensive and therefore less desirable product on the market. So if a FA has enough clout in the negotiating process [see Beltran, Carlos w/Boros, Scott] that's one of the things he wants put in. Several of the Japanese stars (both Matsuis for instance) went that route because they were already nearing 30 when they came here and didn't want to end their first contract three years later and still be three years short of becoming a FA. So in their case the no-arbitration clause effectively made them FAs if they didn't like the offer they got from their existing team. P.S. Davidoff neglects to mention Beltran's No-Trade clause. Not that that means he can't be dealt, only that it won't be a unilateral decision. P.P.S. The status of FAs are determined by their stats over the previous two seasons - and with just 220 ABs in 2010 and pretty pedestrian numbers from it there's little guarantee that Carlos would be a 'Type A' even if he did finish out his stint here. Only the top 20% rank as Type A's and that's from the group of all outfielders, not just CFs. Type A's are the one who garner a 1st (or 2nd) round pick from the signing team plus an extra pick in the supplemental round. Type B's (out of top 20% but still within top 30%) yield only a supplemental pick for the team losing him.

Gwreck May 10 2011 03:44 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I find Davidoff's logic strange re: Rodriguez. If a team intends to use Rodriguez as a set-up man, I would think his value (in terms of prospects to receive in return) would be larger, as there is no onerous contract to kick in. If Rodriguez is traded to a team looking for a closer, then the financial obligation to the acquiring team is presumably larger (due to the games finished clause) and therefore they would be willing to give up less to the Mets in return.

Ceetar May 10 2011 04:02 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke. The bigger joke is the one where the Mets clinch 1st place on September 25. There's a better chance of that then if you played this season out from here 100 times that the Mets would fail 99 of them.

batmagadanleadoff May 10 2011 04:44 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke. The bigger joke is the one where the Mets clinch 1st place on September 25. There's a better chance of that then if you played this season out from here 100 times that the Mets would fail 99 of them. I hope so. But I don't believe it. Because when you gotta believe, it helps to have the best pitching staff in all of baseball. This reminds me of the one about a priest and a rabbi attending a boxing match together. Just before the start of the first round, the rabbi notices one of the boxers crossing himself, and then turns to the priest and asks: "Father, what does it mean when that boxer crosses himself right before the boxing match"? "It doesn't mean a goddamn thing if he doesn't know how to fight", answers the priest.

batmagadanleadoff May 10 2011 05:57 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

G-Fafif wrote: In my bluest and orange bones, I believe that no matter what the Mets do where Reyes is concerned, it will absolutely backfire.... I just can't see any of it working out. I want to believe there's an answer. All I come away with are conclusions. I see your point. The rate of return on baseball draft picks, even on the very high first-rounders, is dismal. And most minor leaguers that project to be future major league stars, in the end, don't project. The idea that we can simply exchange Reyes for another star who'll shine a few years from now is unlikely, though not improbable. There aren't very many Reyes, Wrights and Beltrans to go around, and any team that thinks they have one, even in embryo, or especially in embryo, isn't about to give him away. Not knowingly.

seawolf17 May 10 2011 06:49 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one.

G-Fafif May 10 2011 06:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one. What is Reyes...Getting Worried?

seawolf17 May 10 2011 07:28 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

G-Fafif wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one. What is Reyes...Getting Worried? Argh.

Ceetar May 10 2011 09:00 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one. You're not the only one. I'd say 99%, if not more, Mets fans know Reyes is great and don't know a single prospect that hasn't been talked about by Gary. There are millions and millions of bandwagon new york fans, and no better way to push them to the Bronx, $35 parking and all, than to trade Reyes.

Frayed Knot May 10 2011 09:02 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

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TransMonk May 11 2011 07:15 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

When was the last time Mets fans had to watch one of their All-Stars go play at an All-Star level for another team? I can't remember any since Darryl...and he was barely an All-Star after he left New York.

Benjamin Grimm May 11 2011 07:16 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

David Cone is more recent than Darryl, but not by a whole lot.

TransMonk May 11 2011 07:23 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ah yeah, forgot about Cone.

Ceetar May 11 2011 07:25 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

your league leader in extra base hits.

Edgy MD May 11 2011 07:45 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Plate appearances too. Second in overall hits. First in doubles and triples, and second in steals.

seawolf17 May 11 2011 08:15 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Darryl's the parallel, but that was different because he left on his own terms and we were free to hate him at that point; plus he became a colossal screwup. I don't see that from Reyes; plus, if they trade him, it's literally spitting in the face of your fan base, from whom you've made millions of dollars selling REYES 7 memorabilia. You trade Reyes, you eff an ENORMOUS chunk of your fan base; I don't care who you're bringing back. You will lose a lot of people. Beltran is not the same; as much as we all love Carlos, he's always been a hired gun; he's not OUR GUY the way Reyes and Wright are (and Ike could be). People will be upset if he's dealt, but we'll move on. Same for Santana, honestly, if he comes back healthy and they decide to move him. Nobody likes Frankie, so he can go.

soupcan May 11 2011 08:21 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Unfortunately Wolfie, I disagree. As disappointed as we will all be, we'll continue to root for them. They won't lose any fans. This organization survived the Seaver trade, they'll survive the Reyes trade should it happen. Life will go on, Reyes will ultimately come back and haunt us as he rains triples around Citi as a visitor. It will suck hard but we will still root for the laundry. Alas.

sharpie May 11 2011 08:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Robin Ventura was a bogus All-Star after his Metly days when Torre would pad his roster with his own guys.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 11 2011 08:45 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The best shot as saving Reyes is a new co-owner pulling a hero act. I could see it. Also, if its a hedge fund guy like Steve Cohen, their basic strategy is to realize and exploit the good things while throwing out the old and expensive. IOW, Reyes might get paid if they can unload Rodriguez, Bay & Beltran.

seawolf17 May 11 2011 08:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Oh, of course we will, eventually. But I'm also saying it's not a coincidence that the most significant attendance drops in Mets history have come after the Seaver trade and Straw signing with LA.

batmagadanleadoff May 11 2011 08:53 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The best shot as saving Reyes is a new co-owner pulling a hero act. I could see it. Also, if its a hedge fund guy like Steve Cohen .... Reports are that Steve Cohen lost interest in owning a piece of the Mets, and is pulling out: Hedge-fund titan Steve Cohen may not have the inside track to buy a minority stake in the Mets after all. He has quickly lost interest in buying a minority stake in the team, a source close to the situation told The Post. Last week, Cohen, working with investment bank Goldman Sachs, was nearing a deal to buy a minority stake in the money-losing team for $200 million -- and met with the team's owners at a Greenwich steakhouse as the teamed weighed making him the preferred bidder. Now, Sterling Equities, which owns the team, has gone back to bidders who had made offers it rejected and asked them to resubmit offers. As a result of Cohen's change of heart, Sterling owners Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz are not going to name a preferred bidder this week in time for the MLB owners' meeting, as expected, sources said. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/s ... VwPrXfLGqO

seawolf17 May 11 2011 09:50 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Cohen: "Those dipwads are going to trade away all their marquee names. Eff 'em."

TransMonk May 11 2011 09:53 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It's going to be a loooonnnnnnnnnng summer. I expect this thread to be about 50 pages long by August 1st.

HahnSolo May 11 2011 10:01 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

So what stupid things did Jeff say at lunch to scare Cohen off?

Benjamin Grimm May 11 2011 10:07 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

He probably spoke to him in Street Spanish.

seawolf17 May 11 2011 10:08 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He probably spoke to him in Street Spanish. This just made me spit taco out my nose.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 11 2011 10:38 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: He probably spoke to him in Street Spanish. This just made me spit taco out my nose. I just had water but also came through the nose

Gwreck May 11 2011 10:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

xx

Edgy MD May 12 2011 08:32 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Kisses to you, too. Oh, and... re-sign Beltran NOW!!!!

Ashie62 May 12 2011 09:14 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Cohen vaguely said he wanted some say in day to day operations. Skybridge has the inside on this now.

Edgy MD May 15 2011 08:31 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

"An Epic Event."

SteveJRogers May 15 2011 09:00 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, I see that going as well as the Get Manny rallies. Not in terms of end of the day results, but in terms of "gee, look at those attention whores, lets get them on video so we can laugh at them!" One of those Get Manny creeps even interrupted the Shea Goodbye attention seeker party for no real apparent reason that offseason.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2011 03:59 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The Mets may have overplayed their hand by not negotiating during the offseason and spring, and then seeing José go out and put together a first half for the ages. But now José's folks may have overplayed his as well, by rebuffing the Mets when they came calling and then getting tweaked. This season isn't cashed in yet, Peter Greenberg. If he's out for a few days, maybe it's a good time for them to sit down. Wrap him up while he's feeling a little less invincible.

metirish Jul 02 2011 05:10 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

MRI on Monday.

Ashie62 Jul 02 2011 06:55 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metirish wrote: MRI on Monday. He's gonna be be lame, I just know it.

Ceetar Jul 02 2011 09:46 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: If he's out for a few days, maybe it's a good time for them to sit down. Wrap him up while he's feeling a little less invincible. He could use a little distraction from the doctor's office right?

dgwphotography Jul 03 2011 06:52 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: metirish wrote: MRI on Monday. He's gonna be be lame, I just know it. Oh yeah - just like Dave Kingman, circa 1976. If a Met is having an historic offensive year, he's almost guaranteed to get hurt...

Ashie62 Jul 03 2011 08:22 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm guessing Jose has upward of 70 voicemails by now here at 10 a.m.

Edgy MD Jul 03 2011 10:25 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Hey, no Shleprocks.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 04 2011 05:04 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alderson considers making Reyes substantial offer: source By JOEL SHERMAN Last Updated: 6:39 AM, July 4, 2011 Posted: 1:28 AM, July 4, 2011 Sandy Alderson was pigeonholed early in his administration as a risk-averse executive who would strongly reject the idea of a mega-contract for any player, but specifically an injury-prone one such as Jose Reyes, who did not have the Mets’ general manager’s favorite asset: elite on-base percentage. Alderson warned not to stereotype him, and that decisions would be based on information absorbed during the season. We should have listened. Alderson is now leaning strongly toward authorizing a substantial offer after the season to try to retain Reyes, a free-agent-to-be, two sources with ties to Alderson told The Post. Even Reyes’ first 2011 injury did not seem to have dimmed Alderson’s belief that the Mets are best served working diligently to retain the All-Star shortstop. “He may be out just one day,” Alderson said when asked if even a mild hamstring strain could influence contractual strategy with Reyes. “Before we jump to any long-term conclusions, let’s see about this injury. I will say this, most players miss a few days at some point of the season, and so in that context this is not unusual.” Spoken like a Reyes convert. Alderson has not only been swayed by the MVP-caliber play of Reyes, but also in calculating the additional worth that would come by elating the fan base if Reyes could be retained and how much it would cost to replace a switch-hitter in his prime if Reyes left. In other words, if the Mets surmise that Reyes is worth, say, five years at $100 million, is it worth it to go to, say, six years at $120 million or more and see that additional money as: 1) $10 million of advertising directed at the fans and 2) $10 million in peace of mind that they do not have to try to find replacements to make up for what would be lost, especially since they already know Reyes can play in New York and loves playing here. Alderson refused to discuss my information that he is now strongly committed to convincing the Wilpons that making a substantial bid for Reyes is vital. But he did tell The Post: “There is more going on here [when it comes to Reyes] than the game on the field.” For now, the sources said, there is almost no way the Mets will trade Reyes before the July 31 deadline, in part because Alderson is committed to trying to retain the star. Reyes has told the Mets he will not negotiate during the season. So it is still possible he could slump badly or suffer an injury far worse than his current Grade 1 hamstring strain, forcing Alderson to reconsider his position. Also, the elephant in the room remains the Wilpons’ financial plight. Remember Fred Wilpon is on record saying that Reyes is not worth near the $142 million, seven-year deal received by Carl Crawford. One source told me the Wilpons might be willing to approach the $20 million-a-year pricetag, but are scared of giving seven years to a player whose legs are his major asset. There is a split among officials from other teams if Reyes will actually garner a Crawford-like deal, though he is a year younger than Crawford, a switch-hitter and plays a more premium position. His sustained success and health are more in question, however. Reyes will not start tonight in Los Angeles and the Mets did not dismiss sitting him out the rest of the first half. But they know every game missed by Reyes impacts their long-shot playoff hopes, even if they did rally to beat the Yankees 3-2 in 10 innings yesterday without him. Reyes currently has a career-best .398 on-base percentage, but that is more about his major league-best .354 batting average than a greatly improved eye. His walk rate remained around his career average. Nevertheless, Alderson values Reyes’ multiple tools and bond with the fans. Yes, Reyes is having his best season in his walk year, normally a red flag. But the Mets know Reyes loves to play, and so do not think he would shut down if he received a big contract. In addition, while Alderson sees mega-deals as inefficient and failure prone, he told me recently some big-market teams must go there because, for example, like the Mets, they own their own ballpark and network, and have to have stars their fans want to invest in emotionally and financially. Alderson regularly calls baseball an “entertainment” venture, and Reyes clearly is an entertainer. Plus, should Reyes leave, the Mets would probably have to go with Ruben Tejada at short and find ways (probably expensive ways) to replace the lost offense of Reyes; with almost no way to replace the lost dynamism and connection to the fans. And the Mets know Reyes wants to be a Met, an advantage they are unlikely to have with other targets. Alderson said: “He has strengths in so many areas, it would be wrong to try to assess his ability in conventional ways.” Translation: Alderson has learned to admire what Reyes does to such a degree that neither a minor hamstring injury nor the lack of elite on-base skills is dimming his ardor to keep the shortstop.

Ashie62 Jul 04 2011 06:05 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well well, what have we here?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 04 2011 09:00 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, duh.

Edgy MD Jul 04 2011 09:23 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It's a long flight to Los Angeles. You just put him in a luxury first-class seat with a pile of money on one side of him and a contract on the other.

Ceetar Jul 04 2011 09:30 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: It's a long flight to Los Angeles. You just put him in a luxury first-class seat with a pile of money on one side of him and a contract on the other. give him a double big gulp and tell him he can't get up until he signs.

MFS62 Jul 04 2011 09:53 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alderson "considers" making an offer? I'm considering making an offer to Angelina Jolie. Yadda Yadda, its the Post. Later

Ashie62 Jul 04 2011 09:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And just what would you like to offer Angelina Jolie?

MFS62 Jul 04 2011 10:27 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: And just what would you like to offer Angelina Jolie? Anything she'd accept. Later

Edgy MD Jul 04 2011 11:02 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

No, I think that's actual news. They've got two corroborating sources, if anonymous, and Alderson pretty much affirmed it without affirming it, which is very meaningful in the newsgathering business, and it runs contrary at several levels to where the prevailing wisdom had been sitting.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 04 2011 01:24 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Sherman's been scoopy this season too. Had DW's broken back well ahead of the beaters. Got my attention.

Frayed Knot Jul 04 2011 01:36 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Folks (and by that I mean writers mostly, but fans also) have to stop treating Fred's comment about JR not getting CC money as if it were some sort of iron-clad pledge rather than merely a prediction designed to display his baseball savvy to a visiting writer.

Ashie62 Jul 04 2011 04:49 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Frayed Knot wrote: Folks (and by that I mean writers mostly, but fans also) have to stop treating Fred's comment about JR not getting CC money as if it were some sort of iron-clad pledge rather than merely a prediction designed to display his baseball savvy to a visiting writer. I took Fred to be a pissed off Mets fan when he spoke.

Edgy MD Jul 04 2011 07:13 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Or at least acting like one, yeah.

Ceetar Jul 04 2011 08:19 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Or at least acting like one, yeah. not to mention that when he said it, 99% of Mets fans/writers didn't think he was going to get Crawford money either.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 04 2011 09:41 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The majority of press outlets keep quoting it as if it was said in late June. The comments came in mid-to-late April.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2011 08:48 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Shhhhhhhhhh! Secret talks may be underway! (I sure hope this is true.) Mets to begin talking with Reyes camp soon, in hopes of reaching new deal in coming weeks By MIKE PUMA Last Updated: 8:58 AM, July 7, 2011 Posted: 3:09 AM, July 7, 2011 LOS ANGELES — Don’t be so sure the Mets are waiting until after the season to talk turkey with Jose Reyes. Multiple sources with knowledge of the process told The Post yesterday that indications are the Mets have begun — or will soon begin — secret talks with the Reyes camp in hopes of reaching agreement in the coming weeks on a new contract with the All-Star shortstop. Last month, general manager Sandy Alderson announced he had reached out to Reyes’ agent, Peter Greenberg, to begin dialogue, but was rebuffed. Reyes also indicated he wanted to focus on baseball and not contract issues. But one of the sources called the proclamations by Reyes and Alderson a likely “smokescreen” designed to protect the player and organization from dealing with daily questions about the negotiations. By keeping discussions secret, the Mets would also protect Reyes from fan backlash should he reject an offer that might be deemed fair by the public, but under market value by Reyes’ camp. Before the Mets 5-3 win over the Dodgers last night, Alderson offered a cryptic response when asked if it still holds true there is no possibility a Reyes deal will be negotiated during the season. “I am no longer commenting on that possibility,” Alderson said as he ducked into manager Terry Collins’ office for a meeting. It makes sense on several levels for Alderson to try to engage Greenberg in talks during the season. If the Reyes camp is determined to get Carl Crawford money — in the seven-year, $142 million range — that might be deemed a non-starter in serious negotiations, and the Mets still would have time to solicit offers for the player before the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline. Reyes remains hindered by a sore left hamstring and last night was absent from the starting lineup for a fourth straight game. The team has not placed him on the disabled list, hopeful that Reyes can return in San Francisco over the weekend. As Reyes’ hamstring injury has demonstrated, there is risk involved for the shortstop in waiting until after the season to negotiate a new deal. The Mets could offer Reyes five years in the $100 million range and convince him the deal makes sense. Or Alderson could perhaps add a sixth year as an act of good faith, bringing the deal into the $110-$115 million area. One major league executive suggested the Mets should blame the Nationals if they cannot re-sign Reyes. It was at last year’s winter meetings that Washington shocked the baseball world by signing Jayson Werth for seven years and $126 million. That signing set the market, allowing the speedy Crawford — a player comparable to Reyes — to reap seven years and $142 million from the Red Sox. As was reported by the Post’s Joel Sherman earlier in the week, re-signing Reyes is a top priority for the Mets, and Alderson is prepared to authorize a substantial offer for the player. Getting Reyes’ signature on a new contract remains paramount, but Alderson must also find a way to trade closer Francisco Rodriguez, whose contract contains a vesting option for $17.5 million for 2012 should he finish 55 games this season.

Ashie62 Jul 07 2011 07:36 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alderson just scuttled this on the pre-game.

metirish Jul 07 2011 07:54 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: Alderson just scuttled this on the pre-game. He would though wouldn't he?

Ashie62 Jul 07 2011 08:05 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metirish wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Alderson just scuttled this on the pre-game. He would though wouldn't he? Yeah..more disinformation than a military operation.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2011 01:31 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Seven years, $100 million plus a crapton of incentives that push it over $150M.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 14 2011 09:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Jose's next contract has to be looking a lot less lucrative now than it did two and a half months ago, right? Two injuries (and it sounds like a third on the way) and he's now well past that superhuman stretch with which he opened the season. I really have no clue as to how this will play out. (I think the Mets have a shot at signing Jose during the exclusive negotiating period, but geez, who the hell really knows?) Mets' Reyes resistant to running By DAN MARTIN Last Updated: 8:24 AM, September 14, 2011 Jose Reyes had three more hits last night and scored the Mets' first run in a 3-2 loss to the Nationals at Citi Field, but he still has just one stolen base since returning from the disabled list on Aug. 29 -- and he hasn't tripled since July 21. Reyes admitted his lack of aggression on the basepaths is because he still is unsure of the left hamstring that has landed him on the DL twice this season. "It's not the same," Reyes said after the Mets dropped their fourth straight game and sixth in seven. "Earlier in the season I was healthy. I feel like my leg is not quite there yet. It's not where it needs to be." Reyes did not attempt a stolen base again last night. "It's good enough to play," Reyes said. "I'll give you everything that I have. It is hard, but I can get through it." He hasn't given up the idea that he will feel like himself by the end of the season. "I hope so," said Reyes, who is batting .331 and again said he is not thinking about his battle with Milwaukee's Ryan Braun for the NL batting crown. Terry Collins understands Reyes' attitude. "I've emphasized he's gotta stay healthy and stay in the lineup," the manager said. "We talk every single day about it."

Ceetar Sep 14 2011 10:01 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It seems like this all might be the same injury, and he's just a slow healer. Tightness in his hamstring that just isn't clearing up. I wonder if there's something in his pregame/workout routine that can minimize the strain there. If he can play through it though, maybe it's just something that can be managed with some good rest days. I mean, he's hitting .300 with a hit practically every day since returning from the DL. he was on base three times yesterday. I've thought Alderson will get it down in the exclusive window (which ends up being like 5-6 weeks right? no reason they can't negotiate during the playoffs) all along, and I think the nagging injuries help take away the chance of someone hinting that they'll offer him the moon if he waits for FA. He seems to genuinely want to stay here, so he probably would if they make him something approaching what they expect.

Edgy MD Sep 14 2011 10:02 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alderson lost out by not coming harder after him before the season, but then Reyes lost out when his agent rebuffed the team when they tried to negotiate mid-season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 14 2011 10:10 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

So, that makes it even! 5/95 with bonuses! Do it!

Centerfield Sep 14 2011 12:06 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

You know, I wonder if Reyes had signed a huge extension in July whether people would be saying he's already slacking off.

Edgy MD Sep 14 2011 12:11 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Sure as the sun's gon' shine.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 14 2011 12:17 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: 5/95 with bonuses! Do it! I think he'll get less than that. My guess, around $16 to $17 million per year, over five or six years. I have no idea from whom, though. Could be the Mets.

Ceetar Sep 14 2011 12:19 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: 5/95 with bonuses! Do it! I think he'll get less than that. My guess, around $16 to $17 million per year, over five or six years. I have no idea from whom, though. Could be the Mets. If I had to guess, he'd get about 16 a year with bonuses up to 20, and 5 years, with a mutual option for a 6th.

Ashie62 Sep 14 2011 01:46 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Can ya just sign the 1st half of 2011 Jose Reyes???

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2011 01:54 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Jayson Stark, ESPN.com wrote: The buzz coming out of Flushing is that the Mets have very little interest in waiting around this winter for Jose Reyes to decide whether to stay or bolt. One source who's tight with the Mets brass tells Rumblings they're "either going to be in or out real quick." The Mets' baseball people haven't met yet to lay out their offseason game plan. But if Reyes' preference is to test the market, collect offers and then ask the Mets to counter, there are indications that the Mets don't want to play by that script. And Reyes' lackluster second half (.277/.316/.378, with only six stolen-base ATTEMPTS) only figures to reinforce their reluctance to do anything crazy right out of the chute to keep him from exploring the market.

metirish Sep 16 2011 01:58 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jayson Stark, ESPN.com wrote: The buzz coming out of Flushing is that the Mets have very little interest in waiting around this winter for Jose Reyes to decide whether to stay or bolt. One source who's tight with the Mets brass tells Rumblings they're "either going to be in or out real quick." The Mets' baseball people haven't met yet to lay out their offseason game plan. But if Reyes' preference is to test the market, collect offers and then ask the Mets to counter, there are indications that the Mets don't want to play by that script. And Reyes' lackluster second half (.277/.316/.378, with only six stolen-base ATTEMPTS) only figures to reinforce their reluctance to do anything crazy right out of the chute to keep him from exploring the market. I'm not opposed to that , I'd like a quick resolution too. There are a lot of holes to fill and no point wasting time on a "will he, won't he" scenario.

Ceetar Sep 17 2011 06:38 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Rubin made THREE different allusions to Reyes leaving yesterday. This is why I don't read him (except apparently this morning. )

metirish Sep 20 2011 07:07 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alserson in the booth , October is "Jose month", thinks about him all the time....

Edgy MD Sep 25 2011 08:10 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Can't hurt, I guess things, I guess. (Though maybe it can.) http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z1Z1KGkSOv NY Mets great Darryl Strawberry says Jose Reyes should stay, as he would have if he got 2nd chance BY PETER BOTTE DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Sunday, September 25th 2011, 4:00 AM Darryl Strawberry regrettably bolted the Mets for his hometown Dodgers as a free agent after the 1990 season. He doesn't want to see history repeat itself with Jose Reyes. "I know if I had to do it all over again, I would have stayed," Strawberry said before the Mets won, 2-1, in the opener of Saturday's day-night doubleheader at Citi Field against the Phillies before taking the nightcap, 6-3. "It looks good on the other side, but it's not always as good as the place that you're used to. When you're young, you don't realize that. For me, I was young and I didn't realize what New York meant to me. "So tell Jose that New York is a great place. No matter what, it's a great place to play. No matter what you have to go through, how difficult it gets, this is the place where you want to play." Strawberry was at Citi to sign autographs and promote the release of "All-Stars for Charities Fruit Snacks" to benefit his Fight for Autism Foundation. The star-crossed former Mets and Yankees slugger hasn't spoken to Reyes - who did not play in the second game - about his pending free agency, but he made it clear he believes the Mets shouldn't let the All-Star shortstop and possible NL batting champion slip away this winter. "No question about it, being a homegrown player, being an exciting player as he is, for Mets fans, you would hope something good will work out for both sides," Strawberry said. "He's a really exciting player. You're not going to find too many players in the game that are more exciting. It's a tough situation to be in. "I'm not saying (he should take less money to stay). I have nothing to do with that. All I could say is I would love to see him stay. New York loves him, the Mets fans love him, all the players love him, we love the way he plays. I just hope that things work out for both sides and he continues to play here." Strawberry admits now that he made a mistake, but says he "was just personally fed up with (Mets) management" when deciding to sign a five-year, $20 million deal with his hometown Dodgers before the 1991 season. He averaged 33 homers over his first eight seasons with the Mets, but totaled just 83 over the next 10 years - including 24 on the Yankees' 1998 World Series championship team - amid intermittent battles with substance abuse and other off-field problems. "You're young and you're stupid, too. You make stupid decisions," the 49-year-old Strawberry said. "You don't realize at the time, but when you look back on it, you realize that was so stupid. What was I thinking to leave New York to go to L.A. or anywhere? "This is the greatest place to play, the greatest fans. Are the expectations high? Is the media tough? Yeah. You just have to learn to live with that. "But it's a different type of feeling after you've played here for so long and been successful here. You appreciate it more than just another player that comes along, or in other places. The fans here never forget. It's incredible. And Jose has a chance to do that. He's a remarkable player and he's had some wonderful years and done some wonderful things and he still has a chance to do some great things before his career is all over with." Asked if he's considered talking to Strawberry or other high-profile players who've been through the free-agency process, Reyes said: "Everything is a consideration. Like I always say, I don't want to leave here. I want to stay here. But at the same time, I don't know, like I told you guys. The decision is not over yet. I don't want to talk with people during the season. I want to play baseball with my head clear and not think about anything." Reyes, who is locked in a close battle with Ryan Braun and Triple Crown threat Matt Kemp in the NL batting race, is hitting .330 after going 1-for-3 with a walk in the opener.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 25 2011 09:32 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It occurs to me that if he were at Citi (as he was) and wanted to actually express a message to Jose (as he purported to), he might rather take a staircase/elevator to the clubhouse than speak to a reporter writing the sort of article that Jose likely strenuously avoids reading.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2011 05:49 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Sending messages to each other through the media, despite the easy availability of face-to-face contact, is a time-honored --- if not particularly courageous --- tradition among ballplayers.

Vic Sage Sep 26 2011 09:18 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Sending messages to each other through the media, despite the easy availability of face-to-face contact, is a time-honored --- if not particularly courageous --- tradition among ballplayers. IMO, Straw's statements to the media have absolutely nothing to do with trying to send Reyes a message and everything to do with Straw's ongoing efforts to repair his own fatally damaged reputation. "oh, i loved NY, what was i thinking to ever leave?" is not career guidance, its PR.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 26 2011 09:27 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I spent time last week with a former New York sports reporter who covered the Mets for a while in the Omar era. He said his gut feeling was that some team was going to offer Reyes stupid money that that Mets would not match. He said Alderson is "too smart" to throw crazy money at a player who is so prone to injuries. That was just his gut feeling from knowing the people involved. I tried to avoid pestering him with too many Mets questions, but he did say that Dickey was as nice a guy as you can imagine. Piazza, too.

Ceetar Sep 26 2011 09:30 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I spent time last week with a former New York sports reporter who covered the Mets for a while in the Omar era. He said his gut feeling was that some team was going to offer Reyes stupid money that that Mets would not match. He said Alderson is "too smart" to throw crazy money at a player who is so prone to injuries. That was just his gut feeling from knowing the people involved. I tried to avoid pestering him with too many Mets questions, but he did say that Dickey was as nice a guy as you can imagine. Piazza, too. That of course, leaves out the idea that the Mets could very well sign him well before he's even allowed to talk to other teams. Can Reyes bank on some team throwing stupid money his way and wait out a very good offer from the Mets? I think not.

metirish Sep 26 2011 09:33 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I spent time last week with a former New York sports reporter who covered the Mets for a while in the Omar era. He said his gut feeling was that some team was going to offer Reyes stupid money that that Mets would not match. He said Alderson is "too smart" to throw crazy money at a player who is so prone to injuries. That was just his gut feeling from knowing the people involved. I tried to avoid pestering him with too many Mets questions, but he did say that Dickey was as nice a guy as you can imagine. Piazza, too. Ok, who was it?, who's your source deep throat? Ian O'Connor , can't imagine you would spend time with his though T'J' Quinn......may have been gone by the time Omar got there

Edgy MD Sep 26 2011 09:34 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Just my opinion, but I imagine back channel tampering goes on all the time.

TransMonk Sep 26 2011 09:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I've had the feeling since spring that some team would offer him stupid money that the Mets won't match. I still feel that way.

Ceetar Sep 26 2011 09:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Just my opinion, but I imagine back channel tampering goes on all the time. Probably. Think they get explicit though, or is it just "wink wink, we REALLY like that Jose guy. you guys close to something with the mets?"

metsguyinmichigan Sep 26 2011 09:48 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ok, who was it?, who's your source deep throat? Ian O'Connor , can't imagine you would spend time with his though T'J' Quinn......may have been gone by the time Omar got there I can only imagine what a conversation with Ian O'Connor would be like....we'd be brawling within moments. I was at an education writer's conference, if that's a clue.

metirish Sep 26 2011 09:49 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ok, who was it?, who's your source deep throat? Ian O'Connor , can't imagine you would spend time with his though T'J' Quinn......may have been gone by the time Omar got there I can only imagine what a conversation with Ian O'Connor would be like....we'd be brawling within moment. I was at an education writer's conference, if that's a clue. Ha, the guy from the Times.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 26 2011 09:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metirish wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ok, who was it?, who's your source deep throat? Ian O'Connor , can't imagine you would spend time with his though T'J' Quinn......may have been gone by the time Omar got there I can only imagine what a conversation with Ian O'Connor would be like....we'd be brawling within moment. I was at an education writer's conference, if that's a clue. Ha, the guy from the Times. He was very nice!

Vic Sage Sep 26 2011 10:04 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: I've had the feeling since spring that some team would offer him stupid money that the Mets won't match. I still feel that way. ditto.

SteveJRogers Sep 26 2011 10:08 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Vic Sage wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Sending messages to each other through the media, despite the easy availability of face-to-face contact, is a time-honored --- if not particularly courageous --- tradition among ballplayers. IMO, Straw's statements to the media have absolutely nothing to do with trying to send Reyes a message and everything to do with Straw's ongoing efforts to repair his own fatally damaged reputation. "oh, i loved NY, what was i thinking to ever leave?" is not career guidance, its PR. Indeed, to say nothing for the fact that it was mostly Straw's own demons that led to leaving NY to be a very bad move on his part. Had he'd been clean and sober, good possibility an argument about whether he should be wearing a Dodger or Met cap on his Hall of Fame plaque would be a debate. But instead it was his failings as a human, that he is still struggling with, that led to his demise in LA as well as any shot of greatness. Which would have happened had he stayed here or not.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2011 10:18 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm not sure why I've been quote above there. We haven't mentioned it in a while, but in light of Darryl's comments, it's worth reviewing that Reyes can still take the money and run without leaving New York, if you get my drift. And I think you do.

Frayed Knot Sep 26 2011 11:12 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Just my opinion, but I imagine back channel tampering goes on all the time. Probably. Think they get explicit though, or is it just "wink wink, we REALLY like that Jose guy. you guys close to something with the mets?" Dear Jose's agent, We here at the _______ organization are very interested in your client's services for next season and beyond. As you know we are not permitted to discuss money at this juncture but would appreciate touching base with you prior to the official opening of the FA period if possible. You may prefer to defer any meeting prior to that point but if you are interested we will have our representative available at precisely 135 on the 7th if you have any questions. Sincerely yours, Major League GM

Ceetar Sep 26 2011 11:24 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It's one thing to suggest it, another to actually negotiate it. And of course, Reyes can then take that number to the Mets, who maybe won't quite match it, but could adjust their offer as a result.

seawolf17 Sep 26 2011 12:41 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not sure why I've been quote above there. We haven't mentioned it in a while, but in light of Darryl's comments, it's worth reviewing that Reyes can still take the money and run without leaving New York, if you get my drift. And I think you do. I would probably quit baseball if he wound up with the Phillies or Yankees.

Centerfield Sep 26 2011 12:48 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I'm not sure why I've been quote above there. We haven't mentioned it in a while, but in light of Darryl's comments, it's worth reviewing that Reyes can still take the money and run without leaving New York, if you get my drift. And I think you do. I would probably quit baseball if he wound up with the Phillies or Yankees. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible. This is not possible.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2011 12:49 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Great. I broke centerfield.

Centerfield Sep 26 2011 12:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. (By the way, how much easier would it have been for Jack Torrance to write his book if only he had CONTROL-V back then?)

Ashie62 Sep 26 2011 02:34 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Just my opinion, but I imagine back channel tampering goes on all the time. Probably. Think they get explicit though, or is it just "wink wink, we REALLY like that Jose guy. you guys close to something with the mets?" Dear Jose's agent, We here at the _______ organization are very interested in your client's services for next season and beyond. As you know we are not permitted to discuss money at this juncture but would appreciate touching base with you prior to the official opening of the FA period if possible. You may prefer to defer any meeting prior to that point but if you are interested we will have our representative available at precisely 135 on the 7th if you have any questions. Sincerely yours, Major League GM This is classic..Thanks

Edgy MD Oct 28 2011 11:11 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Tracksuit McJazzhat cites the all-knowing People Familiar with the Team’s Thinking in stating the Mets are launching Operation Lowball. NY Mets to make low offer to Jose Reyes, then will let him test his value on the market BY ANDY MARTINO DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Check in with Jose Reyes, perhaps make a modest offer, then step back while he collects proposals and allows other clubs to set his market value: That is the Mets' negotiating strategy with their free-agent shortstop, according to people familiar with the team’s thinking. The Mets have a five-day window for exclusive talks after the World Series, but will not re-sign Reyes during that time. Unsure what Reyes will be able to command on the open market - and if his price will remain within a range they consider reasonable - the Mets say they see no point in beginning talks by presenting an offer that is close to their best or final one. "Jose is not going to be a quick process," said one source. 'The fan base would love for it to be that way, but a quick process would mean that he will not be a Met. Let him go do the dance, and see how (other teams) value him. Why should we set the market?" Reyes' agents declined to comment on the process. With the Mets expecting to cut payroll from the $140 million range to $110 million-$115 millionish, club officials have made clear that if Reyes leaves, 22-year-old Ruben Tejada will replace him. Whether that is determined in November, December or January will not affect other aspects of the team's plans, officials insist. Reyes’ price is difficult to predict, more so than those of fellow free-agent stars Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder. View Reyes through one lens, and he is a 28-year-old batting champion and one of the most dynamic players in baseball at a position known for offensive scarcity. View him through another, and his tightly wound hamstrings, which sent him to the disabled list twice during the 2011 season, create a serious risk for any team offering him a long-term deal (it is only fair to also note that from 2005 to 2008, Reyes played in at least 153 games each season). Despite concerns, the Mets - and most everyone else in baseball - expect that a team will offer a sizable deal; the real question is “how sizable?” Several Mets executives have speculated that the Nationals, Marlins and the Angels could become heavy bidders. If a team offers Reyes Carl Crawford money (six or seven years, $130 million-$140 million), the Mets almost certainly would not match it. The club values Reyes, and says it will launch an earnest effort to retain him, but it has long made clear its unwillingness to engage in feverish bidding. One team source mused that “he'll probably want to get paid like a home run hitter.” Reyes might ultimately be presented with this choice: Accept the highest offer or remain with the only organization he has known, in the city that he loves. Whatever happens, it will not likely happen in the next month, and perhaps not even in the month after that. Still, Mets officials insist they are not concerned that a drawn-out pursuit of Reyes will hijack their entire offseason, and make other planning difficult. GM Sandy Alderson has been clear that the team's non-Reyes priority is to rebuild the bullpen, with former All-Star closers Brad Lidge, Jonathan Broxton and Joe Nathan among those available as free agents. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z1c65SPHAA

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2011 11:41 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Interesting that a "person familiar with the team's thinking" uses the word "we," no? I think though that's prolly how it will go. Maybe not a lowball offer, a fair one to start, then see where it goes.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2011 11:45 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, the "we" jumped out at me also. "Low" is probably a touch of tabloid hyperbole, but it doesn't help the Mets position to have their offer publicly characterized as such before the numbers are known.

Ceetar Oct 28 2011 11:51 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, the "we" jumped out at me also. "Low" is probably a touch of tabloid hyperbole, but it doesn't help the Mets position to have their offer publicly characterized as such before the numbers are known. I think it does. Presumably Alderson is going to make the Reyes camp aware of what they're thinking, but perhaps if the public perception is the offer is low, the resulting "blow them out of the water" offer from other teams won't be as high. (If it indeed gets there) We'll see how public the negotiations become. This is Alderson's first real offseason where he's not playing catchup and knows all the cards.

metirish Oct 28 2011 11:56 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Mets will offer 5 years at $90 and the Nats will blow them away with a stupid deal.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2011 11:59 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Nats? Nuh-uh.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 28 2011 12:00 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I think five years, $90 million is the high end of the reasonable zone. And I also think it's reasonable for the Mets to not go above that until they find that they have to.

Ceetar Oct 28 2011 12:01 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think five years, $90 million is the high end of the reasonable zone. And I also think it's reasonable for the Mets to not go above that until they find that they have to. option years are your friend.

metirish Oct 28 2011 12:15 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think five years, $90 million is the high end of the reasonable zone. And I also think it's reasonable for the Mets to not go above that until they find that they have to. I don't disagree with that but if the Mets go say 4 years, $70 million his agent would come and say it's an insult yyybbb, which I guess might suit the team.

seawolf17 Oct 28 2011 01:57 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Eight years, $160 million. DONE.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2011 02:03 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Now, I just got to go find me $160 million laying around.

Ashie62 Oct 28 2011 03:50 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Some team will go the extra year and find the extra dollars.

Gwreck Oct 28 2011 04:52 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I see Detroit as a likely suitor. They have money coming off the books, lose no key players to FA, could easily move Jhonny Peralta to third base, and Reyes is the kind of piece that could make them division champs for the next 2-3 years. Also San Francisco probably wants him too. This is not good.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2011 05:49 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Any updates from Paddy Power?

batmagadanleadoff Oct 29 2011 10:04 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm getting this vibe that the only way the Mets will keep Reyes is if he turns down some other team's big fat stacks: I don't see the Mets top offer for Reyes being even in the same time zone with competing offers. But we shall see. Me, I'm extremely doubtful about this -- I believe I've seen Reyes' last game in a Mets uni.

HahnSolo Oct 29 2011 12:42 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm getting this vibe that the only way the Mets will keep Reyes is if he turns down some other team's big fat stacks: I don't see the Mets top offer for Reyes being even in the same time zone with competing offers. But we shall see. Me, I'm extremely doubtful about this -- I believe I've seen Reyes' last game in a Mets uni. Unfortunately, I feel the same.

metirish Oct 29 2011 02:09 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Paddy Power has similar feelings Reyes to sign with the Mets 3-1 Reyes to sign a $120+ million contract with the Mets - 10-1 Reyes to sign a more than five year deal with the Mets - 10-1 Reyes to sign elsewhere - 1/2 on Reyes to sign a $120+ contract elsewhere - 2-5 Reyes to sign with within the NL East - 2-1 Reyes to sign within the NL Central - 3-1 Reyes to sign within the NL West - 6-1 Reyes to sign within the AL East - 4-1 Reyes to sign within the AL Central - 4-1 Reyes to sign within the A: West - 5-1 Reyes to get "Crawford Money" - even money Do you know how to read the toteboard? You would be surprised how many people don't understand it at all. The most basic information there are the win odds quoted on each horse. Those don't tell you what the horse will pay, but the amount of profit you will get and the amount you have to bet to get it. 6-5 means you will get $6 profit for every $5 wagered. 20-1 means you get $20 profit for every $1 wagered (i.e. bet $2 and get $42 back). Since most tracks have a $2 minimum bet, below is a handy chart look up the payoff for a $2 bet at various odds. Remember, your actual payoff may differ from this chart as the odds on the toteboard are rounded off, so 2-1 odds on the toteboard may actually be 1.9-1 or 2.2-1. Payoffs use the actual odds and are rounded down to the nearest nickle or dime depending on the rules at that track. This rounding is called breakage which can be a complex topic for beginners

Ashie62 Oct 29 2011 05:34 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Paddy Power has similar feelings Reyes to sign with the Mets 3-1 Reyes to sign a $120+ million contract with the Mets - 10-1 Reyes to sign a more than five year deal with the Mets - 10-1 Reyes to sign elsewhere - 1/2 on Reyes to sign a $120+ contract elsewhere - 2-5 Reyes to sign with within the NL East - 2-1 Reyes to sign within the NL Central - 3-1 Reyes to sign within the NL West - 6-1 Reyes to sign within the AL East - 4-1 Reyes to sign within the AL Central - 4-1 Reyes to sign within the A: West - 5-1 Reyes to get "Crawford Money" - even money Do you know how to read the toteboard? You would be surprised how many people don't understand it at all. The most basic information there are the win odds quoted on each horse. Those don't tell you what the horse will pay, but the amount of profit you will get and the amount you have to bet to get it. 6-5 means you will get $6 profit for every $5 wagered. 20-1 means you get $20 profit for every $1 wagered (i.e. bet $2 and get $42 back). Since most tracks have a $2 minimum bet, below is a handy chart look up the payoff for a $2 bet at various odds. Remember, your actual payoff may differ from this chart as the odds on the toteboard are rounded off, so 2-1 odds on the toteboard may actually be 1.9-1 or 2.2-1. Payoffs use the actual odds and are rounded down to the nearest nickle or dime depending on the rules at that track. This rounding is called breakage which can be a complex topic for beginners I should break out the baseball parlay chart.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2011 09:17 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Announcements say that free agency starts today, but the way I see it, if one club has an exclusive on you until Thursday, you ain't free no how.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2011 03:13 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Mets meet with Reyes reps. Dampen hopes decidedly. Mets meet with Jose Reyes reps By Adam Rubin ESPNNewYork.com NEW YORK -- New York Mets general manager Sandy Alderson has met with the representatives for shortstop Jose Reyes. However, Alderson added, he does not expect a quick resolution to the All-Star shortstop's free agency. Open bidding on free agents begins Thursday. "Things are going to go slowly, which I think is typical of most if not all free agents," Alderson said. "Very few sign during the exclusive period." "Take it out of the Jose Reyes context into just the general free agent context," Alderson continued. "There are some situations where a player might indicate what it would take for him to forgo the free agent market. There are some situations where a club might try to make a preemptive offer to preclude that [open bidding]. "I don't think either one of those things is going to happen in this case. I don't think Jose is going to give us a number for which he would forgo free agency. I don't think we're in a position to make him what I would characterize as a preemptive offer." Regardless, Alderson maintained, the Mets would not go into rebuilding mode if Reyes departs. "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. That means, in all likelihood, no trading of third baseman David Wright this offseason for prospects. Asked about his level of confidence that Wright remains a Met, Alderson replied: "I couldn't say that with any degree of certainty about any player that we have. Do I think that he'll be a Met next year? Yes." Alderson confirmed that the payroll will be in the $100 million to $110 million range in 2012, a slashing of as much as $40 million off the payroll this past season. The GM added that he likely would not spend all of that money up front to allow for midseason maneuvers and bonuses in contracts. That means the Mets' payroll actually may be less than $100 million on Opening Day. Still, Alderson insisted, waiting on Reyes into December or January will not hamstring other pursuits. He suggested that the amount of money devoted to other free agents is not overly contingent upon Reyes remaining or leaving. "It's not like we have an unlimited amount of money to spend," Alderson said. "But, at the same time, I don't think there are a lot of 'either-ors' that we have to face. ... In other words, we have an independent sense of what a closer would be worth to us based on what's out there. So if we have Jose, would we opt for somebody lower in that range rather than higher in that range? It's possible, but I don't think they're that dependent." Alderson agreed that projecting the contract Reyes ultimately will receive is difficult, since the position players who generally command the most in free agency are sluggers. It also is unclear how teams will price Reyes' history of hamstring injuries into their bids. Still, speaking generally, Alderson does not believe the days of seven-year contracts are over across baseball. "The way I look at it is you've got 30 different teams, and they all lie somewhere on a continuum," Alderson said. "At the one end of the continuum is the desire to win and be as competitive as possible. At the other end of the spectrum is the desire to make money or break even or what have you. "There are clubs on both ends of the spectrum, and a lot in the middle. And every year they change. So do I expect there to be at least one seven-year contract this year? Yeah." Alderson said the Mets already have formulated the level at which they are willing to bid on Reyes. "I think it's fair to say we've thought about this," Alderson said. "We have a sense of where we would be comfortable, or slightly less comfortable -- [and] totally uncomfortable." Adam Rubin covers the Mets for ESPNNewYork.com. Follow Adam Rubin on Twitter: @AdamRubinESPN

Ceetar Oct 31 2011 03:31 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

wouldn't be Rubin if he didn't dampen hopes. Of course, Sandy says they have an uncomfortable range for Reyes. But that doesn't mean they won't do it, even if it makes them uncomfortable. He never says unreachable. He points out that Reyes doesn't affect the other signings. He mentions flexibility for mid-season acquisions (something you don't do when you're just planning on cutting payroll and riding it out)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 31 2011 03:39 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Jeff Wilpon said if he can't sign Jose Reyes he'll paint him blue.

TransMonk Oct 31 2011 03:48 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Rubin wrote: "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. The Mets have been irrelevant for the past 3 years with both Reyes and Wright around. With payroll being cut, how can 2012 not already be a punt with or without Reyes? Alderson's grace period is fading. I'm getting ready to start asking to see the plan again. I have a feeling the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae.

Ceetar Oct 31 2011 04:09 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: Rubin wrote: "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. The Mets have been irrelevant for the past 3 years with both Reyes and Wright around. With payroll being cut, how can 2012 not already be a punt with or without Reyes? Alderson's grace period is fading. I'm getting ready to start asking to see the plan again. I have a feeling the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae. Well, with Reyes, they do have a shot at increasing payroll on the field for next year.(Castillo, Perez, Santana knock down what the Mets actually fielded..) Theoretically that will make them better next year. With a good pickup, coupled with hopefully more health and hopefully some growth from guys like Duda and Thole, they can certainly compete. But his grace period is over. If they let Reyes get away, especially if they don't then go out and add more pieces to compensate... Then they better just come out and say they're not trying to compete and are in a holding pattern until somehow they get lucky with prospects/money. At least they'd be honest. The 'projected payroll' has gone down every month since Alderson's taken over.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 31 2011 04:32 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: I have a feeling the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae. Why would you say that? It's not like Wilpon's Mets ever did that before.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 31 2011 04:35 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: wouldn't be Rubin if he didn't dampen hopes. Of course, Sandy says they have an uncomfortable range for Reyes. But that doesn't mean they won't do it, even if it makes them uncomfortable. He never says unreachable. He points out that Reyes doesn't affect the other signings. He mentions flexibility for mid-season acquisions (something you don't do when you're just planning on cutting payroll and riding it out) Yes, Virginia.....

batmagadanleadoff Oct 31 2011 04:40 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: But [Alderson's] grace period is over. If they let Reyes get away, especially if they don't then go out and add more pieces to compensate... What a load of shit Alderson'll turn out to be if Reyes leaves and the Mets can't then get 2012's batting champ on $40M less in overall payroll.

G-Fafif Oct 31 2011 05:21 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae. I've see you've gotten a look at the Mets' 2012 preliminary promotional schedule, too.

Gwreck Oct 31 2011 05:30 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 31 2011 05:33 PM

"We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. Please don't fucking lie to us. Are you going to replace him with Jimmy Rollins? Sign a different premium free agent (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson)? No, I didn't think so. Reyes was 5.8 WAR and Beltran was 3.4 and the Mets still won only 77 games. I [crossout]am more than happy to give[/crossout] will tolerate giving Alderson another 2-4 years to rebuild the farm system, clear bad contracts and find a way to make the Mets a consistent winner but let's at least be honest about it, no?

Ashie62 Oct 31 2011 05:31 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 31 2011 07:02 PM

It seems like the Mets are going out of their way not to be competitive regarding Jose and Alderson's Mantra seems to be cut cut cut! Payroll. OF is still Bay Pagan Duda INF Wright Tejada Turner Davis c Thole Thats a punt folks.

Ashie62 Oct 31 2011 05:32 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Gwreck wrote: "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. Please don't fucking lie to us. Are you going to replace him with Jimmy Rollins? Sign a different premium free agent (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson)? No, I didn't think so. Reyes was 5.8 WAR and Beltran was 3.4 and the Mets still won only 77 games. I am more than happy to give Alderson another 2-4 years to rebuild the farm system, clear bad contracts and find a way to make the Mets a consistent winner but let's at least be honest about it, no? Ask Seaver about the Mets and honesty.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2011 06:39 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, well, I'm not punting.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 31 2011 06:43 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: OF is still Bay Pagan Duda INF Wright Tejada Turner Davi c Thole Thats a punt folks. Really? The Mets have finished their offseason moves? Already?

G-Fafif Oct 31 2011 06:45 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

There's at least a little ways to go prior to Opening Day.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2011 06:58 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, that's a shame. Guys competing for the earliest quit ever. Paint's not even dry on the shiny new walls.

TransMonk Oct 31 2011 07:19 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

C'mon. Punting is a strategic move designed to give up less favorable opportunities in the present in order to have the possibility of better opportunities in the future. I don't consider it quitting, just being realistic. I'm just not sure I trust the line that Alderson is giving in that quote.

Ceetar Oct 31 2011 07:33 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: C'mon. Punting is a strategic move designed to give up less favorable opportunities in the present in order to have the possibility of better opportunities in the future. I don't consider it quitting, just being realistic. I'm just not sure I trust the line that Alderson is giving in that quote. Isn't there some division B coach in football somewhere that never punts because he's calculated that it's almost always better to go for it? either way, if the Mets let Reyes get away, the only option the Mets might have besides punting is a hail mary and then hoping to recover an onside kick.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2011 07:36 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, really, then, why should you care? Either they punt and not tell you or they punt and do. Same team either way. We're adults. It's not like I know of any team in history that has announced before November 1st that they don't intend to compete the next season.

Gwreck Oct 31 2011 08:00 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

We all know that. The objectionable part is how it was presented. Alderson would do far better to give a noncomittal quote and point out that it's a long offseason with many things to be decided than to start entertaining (publicly, at least) what happens if Reyes isn't resigned.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2011 08:12 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, that doesn't seem to be what folks are objecting to. But I imagine he is regularly being asked what will happen if Reyes doesn't re-sign. I think he was plenty non-committal.

Centerfield Oct 31 2011 08:22 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alderson fucked up last season by not re-upping Jose when he had the chance. If Jose walks it's pitchforks and torches time.

TransMonk Nov 01 2011 06:38 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Well, that doesn't seem to be what folks are objecting to. Really? That's exactly what I'm objecting to. I'm OK with having a modest payroll budget. I'm honestly OK with letting Reyes walk if the deal is too expensive or too long of a commitment for Sandy's liking. I'm OK with a youth movement and building the farm while we wait out the enormous Bay and Santana contacts. There is a difference between "punting" and "quitting".

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 07:25 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, I guess I don't know what we're talking about. Folks seem to be explicitly objecting to Alderson saying "we're not going to punt" --- not to how he presented his position, but that position itself. It all seems pretty much the same to me. Punting = a football team giving up completely on a drive to hopefully put themselves in better position for a future drive down the road. Baseball GM's apparent metaphorical equivalent of punting = giving up completely on a season to hopefully put his team in better position for a future drive down the road. Quittting = giving up completely on this coming season. Meanwhile, it's November first.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 01 2011 07:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I don't think they're going to "give up completely." I think they'll make the team as good as they can, within their current constraints, and hope that they catch some breaks, and if the team is competitive going into the summer, they'll buy up. Do I think their best team will be good enough? No, I think it's unlikely. But I wouldn't call it "giving up completely."

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 08:02 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Certainly.

TransMonk Nov 01 2011 08:10 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But I wouldn't call it "giving up completely." No one else is calling it that either...except Edgy.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 08:14 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, I wrote really carefully above. If I'm somehow making something up, what does punting in fact mean?

TransMonk Nov 01 2011 08:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

[crossout:3qatetqj]Giving up completely on this coming season[/crossout:3qatetqj] Going with some cheaper and/or younger players to hopefully put his team in better position for a future drive down the road. If I had given up completely, I wouldn't be here. I'm not going to continue to argue what Alderson meant by his shitty metaphor. I agree with what BG said above and wish Alderson would have said something closer to that. The way Sandy framed his answer...it comes off to me as disingenuous considering what he has to work with...but what else is he going to say, I guess? He should hire BG to go over his presser notes for him.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 08:57 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, if you're not going to continue to argue about "We're not going to punt," except to call it "shitty," I remain perplexed as to what's so objectionable about it. You're not giving up completely on the season, and he's not giving up completely on the season. There should be no problem. I think he said the same thing last year.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 01 2011 09:07 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If there's anything that bugs me, it's that I let myself have the impression that 2011 would be the one "punt" year and that the Mets would be ready to go to town in 2012. I don't know if that was my own faulty assumption, or if I got that impression from the Mets. I think it's the latter, but like I said, I'm not certain.

TransMonk Nov 01 2011 09:42 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: I remain perplexed as to what's so objectionable about it. I guess I'd like to know what his definition of not punting is...specifically. But like you said, it's early.

Ceetar Nov 01 2011 09:46 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I remain perplexed as to what's so objectionable about it. I guess I'd like to know what his definition of not punting is...specifically. But like you said, it's early. When you punt, you ultimately want the ball back. When you get the ball back, Having Jose Reyes on the field would be a good way to not have to punt again.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 09:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

My understanding is that not punting is continuing to endeavor to put a competitive team on the field in 2011. I don't have any problem with that (I'd expect any GM to say it), and I don't think it should necessarily undermine any future.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2011 11:18 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

GM Sandy Alderson says Mets plan to make low contract offer to free agent SS Jose Reyes http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... e-1.970263 My take on this is that the Mets don't expect to retain Reyes and are now clearly in face saving mode. To me, this business about not extending an offer to Reyes during their exclusive period or going out of their way to announce it whenever they can -- like every four seconds -- that if they do make an initial offer, it'll be on the lowball side, is to save themselves the embarrassment of being blown out of the water by competing offers that they won't be able to afford to match. This way, they'll say that they had more money to offer Reyes but decided not to because the market got out of control. "It's not that we can't afford Reyes, but that we choose other options", is what they'll likely say, more or less. The way I see it, if Reyes is still a Met next year, it'll be because he's a Met at heart, a Met all the way, and is willing to leave mucho bucks on the table to stay here.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 11:21 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Same quotes as above.

Centerfield Nov 01 2011 11:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I don't see anything in those quotes to suggest the Mets will make a low-ball offer, or that the Mets will not be willing to beat the highest offer out there. Nothing suggests that they will either, but I can't see how any of the Alderson quotes can be seen to confirm anything. Actually that's not true. Alderson's quotes confirm what was first reported by CF last week that Alderson plans not to give away his post-season strategy to reporters prior to the expiration of the exclusive FA window.

Centerfield Nov 01 2011 12:15 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

ALDERSON: METS WILL GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO RETAIN REYES By Centerfield / cranepoolforum.net NEW YORK -- Although it is not clear what it will take to retain Jose Reyes, the free-agent shortstop remains the Mets' top priority this winter, and a recent interview with General Manager Sandy Alderson suggests that the Mets would be willing to surpass what the market bears in order to retain him. "We all have to recognize that certain players are more important to the fan base than others," said Alderson while speaking to the press on Monday. Alderson's position conflicted with earlier reports, like that of douchebag Andy Martino, that stated that the Mets were going to lowball the free-agent shortstop. Alderson went on to explain that such misconceptions probably arose due the anticipated lengthy negotiations on tap for the ball club. "Things are going to go slow, which I think is typical of most if not all free agents," Alderson said. Still, Alderson remained optimistic that such prolonged negotiations should not be taken as a negative, and still believes Reyes prefers to stay home, rather than relocate to another club. "That's not just because players are attracted to other clubs, but because they're not really sure what the market is." For now, the Mets will simply proceed with their other offseason priorities -- bullpen help and rotation depth -- and deal with Reyes later. Even in the unlikely event the shortstop does not re-sign with New York, the club still plans for its final 2012 payroll to fall in the $100-$110 million range. "We're not going punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said.

Ceetar Nov 01 2011 12:26 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I should reblog that 'article'.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 12:35 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I re-facebooked it, or something. Done mighty well.

Ceetar Nov 01 2011 12:39 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: I re-facebooked it, or something. Done mighty well. I'm pondering if I should edit out the "douchebag Andy Martino" line to be professional or something.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2011 12:42 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And tie the legs of a stallion?

Ceetar Nov 01 2011 12:49 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: And tie the legs of a stallion? went for excerpt and link.

Ashie62 Nov 01 2011 06:43 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Fred...Need Money for Reyes?

PiggiesTomatoes Nov 01 2011 09:17 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

That Corzine pic and caption is hilarious!

Edgy MD Nov 02 2011 02:41 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Mets settled two lawsuits today. Two! In one day! Unrelated! First one with a former employee or employees who claimed that the Mets led them to blow their money with Madoff. The second was from the lady injured when the big dude fell on her. Maybe now we see if we have Reyes money left over. You want unbecoming statements from a GM, how about if he says, "Can we sign him? I dunno. How much is that fat guy gonna cost us?"

bmfc1 Nov 03 2011 03:38 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

According to Rubin's survey of beat writers for opposing teams, there is no interest in Jose: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... s-on-reyes Let's hope so.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2011 04:19 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It may be true. And I think that article would be different if Jose had played 156 games in 2011 instead of 126. Those two DL stints just have to be worrisome. I'd be very surprised if they didn't end up costing Jose millions of dollars.

metirish Nov 03 2011 07:03 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

bmfc1 wrote: According to Rubin's survey of beat writers for opposing teams, there is no interest in Jose: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... s-on-reyes Let's hope so. one of the best players in the game and not wanted.......the mind boggles

Ceetar Nov 03 2011 07:08 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metirish wrote: According to Rubin's survey of beat writers for opposing teams, there is no interest in Jose: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... s-on-reyes Let's hope so. one of the best players in the game and not wanted.......the mind boggles and yesterday there were supposedly like 18 teams rumored?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2011 07:12 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I can guarantee the number of suitors for Jose Reyes will be somewhere between zero and 18. I'm guessing three or four teams will be seriously involved. If health concerns hold them back from going over five years and going over $20 million per, then the Mets have a shot. But if there's a team willing to go all Crawford on him, then he's gone. I'll be sorry if he goes, but having survived the loss of Seaver and Strawberry and others, I know I'll be able to move on.

G-Fafif Nov 03 2011 07:15 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2011 07:44 AM

Collusion! Or not. Despite all of Rubin's buds being so in-the-know, I'm guessing nobody's doing more than educated-guessing right now. All it takes is one suitor to get the ball rolling, and it may be none of those mentioned. But if it helps Jose circle back to the Mets, fine. The article mentions concerns by the Phillies about chemistry. If that's real, then eph them. They're as dumb as Gary Matthews and Shane Victorino if they don't glean the joy from Jose. But eph them, mostly.

TransMonk Nov 03 2011 07:17 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

G-Fafif wrote: I'm guess nobody's doing more than educated-guessing right now. This.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2011 07:21 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

G-Fafif wrote: The article mentions concerns by the Phillies about chemistry. If that's real, then eph them. They're as dumb as Gary Matthews and Shane Victorino if they don't glean the joy from Jose. But eph them, mostly. If they're saying they're concerned about chemistry, I suspect that they're really concerned about money and don't want to broadcast that too much. I don't know how many more times they can go to the well, especially since they may be paying Ryan Howard $25 million to sit out much of 2012.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2011 07:24 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Red Sox. Dodgers. Diamondbacks. Hello?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2011 07:25 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Marlins. They would do something like this.

Ceetar Nov 03 2011 07:30 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'll be sorry if he goes, but having survived the loss of Seaver and Strawberry and others, I know I'll be able to move on. As I didn't, I may need some serious couch time.

TransMonk Nov 03 2011 07:31 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I worry about Washington. Not so much about Milwaukee.

G-Fafif Nov 03 2011 07:44 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'll be sorry if he goes, but having survived the loss of Seaver and Strawberry and others, I know I'll be able to move on. I hear ya, but like the athletes for whom we cheer and with whom we identify, I'm finding it harder to bounce back from Met snits as I get older. Alfonzo took me a season and a quarter to unsnit. The first Collapse pissed me off for two-plus seasons. It took me three seasons to forgive Citi Field for its existence. No Reyes? I don't know.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2011 09:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Wow, according to Rubin's story, Reyes is unwanted and unloved. And destined to die miserable and alone. I had no idea!

Vic Sage Nov 03 2011 10:03 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

some of those guys are saying their teams won't be interested because OTHER teams will bid up the price too high. But the OTHER teams are also saying the same thing. this is like the Yogi-ism about the restaurant: "Nobody goes there anymore; it's too popular." or words to that affect. if injury concerns or reluctance to enter into a bidding war keep teams from getting involved, then no bidding war will ensue, meaning the price will stay low, which will get teams interested (because at the right price, Reyes is an attractive player), which will start the bidding war they were worried about in the first place. Nobody wants to SET the market (which is why Alderson isn't going to blow Reyes out of the water with an initial offer), but once offers and counter-offers start getting tossed around, the market will set itself, and teams will either deal themselves in our out at that point, regardless of all this puffery. if you think about for a second, though, we could probably see where the market is right now. All the teams in that article (including the Mets) would take Reyes at 5 years / $15m; lets assume that's the floor. Would any take him at 7 years / $20m (i.e., "Crawford money")? Unlikely, but not impossible. It only takes 1 buyer. But lets assume thats the top end. a mid-point is probably 6 years / $17.5m, which would scare off some teams, but probably not all. You could even add an option/buy out provision to bring the total package up a bit, plus incentive clauses that could all back into a "crawford" type deal, if Reyes was healthy and productive. Could the Mets do this? and should they? I don't know if they CAN, but if that's the market, i'd reluctantly agree they should. But at 7yrs+/$20m+ straight up, i'd understand if Sandy passed.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2011 10:16 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

That sounds right to me. I've been thinking $18 million per year over five years, but add an option for a sixth year and you're right around Vic's projection. Some have been saying that Jose is certain to get at least $20 million per year, but I'm not all that sure of that.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2011 10:22 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I felt he'd get his $20 million before the season.

TransMonk Nov 03 2011 10:26 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Personally, I wouldn't want to offer him any more than five guaranteed years.

Vic Sage Nov 03 2011 10:40 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

i've mentioned my ideal proposal before, but it would work like this: 5 years / $16.5m guaranteed, with $1.5m bonus upon 700 PAs, and $2m in various performance bonuses - each year he reaches 700 PAs automatically extends the deal an additional year, for up to 3 additional years. If the 3 option years do not vest, they can be bought out for $2.5m each. minimum deal = 5 years / $90m max deal = 8 years / $160m This allows Reyes to get BETTER than "Crawford money" if he stays healthy and productive, which saves face for him and basically makes him a Met for life, while offering the Mets at least some downside protection if Reyes continues to break down every year. of course, 1 owner offering 7 years/$140m will likely blow such an offer out of the water.

attgig Nov 03 2011 12:03 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Red Sox. Dodgers. Diamondbacks. Hello? I don't see the dodgers throwing in all the money, unless they get a new owner FAST. the RedSox were ruled out with their re-up of scutaro, but that would be an interesting case where they have scutaro be the solid backup in case reyes gets hurt. They already do have a solid top of the order though... and dbax? isn't Drew signed in there long term?

Edgy MD Nov 03 2011 12:11 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Dodgers: new owners could come along fast. Richie Rich folk too. Red Sox: always got money and Scutaro is a valuable trade commodity at that option price to help them add pitching. D-Backs: Steven Drew, tradeable also. I just threw them up against the wall as a f'rinstance. None of these teams are likely, but the small likelihood of each, taken collectively, makes for a challenging situation for the Mets. My dark horse bet... HOUSTON!

TransMonk Nov 03 2011 12:15 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Vic Sage wrote: 5 years / $16.5m guaranteed, with $1.5m bonus upon 700 PAs, and $2m in various performance bonuses - each year he reaches 700 PAs automatically extends the deal an additional year, for up to 3 additional years. If the 3 option years do not vest, they can be bought out for $2.5m each. minimum deal = 5 years / $90m max deal = 8 years / $160m I like this offer a lot, although it would be my final. If someone wants to offer him 7yrs/$140M, I'd help him pack.

attgig Nov 03 2011 12:16 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Vic Sage wrote: i've mentioned my ideal proposal before, but it would work like this: 5 years / $16.5m guaranteed, with $1.5m bonus upon 700 PAs, and $2m in various performance bonuses - each year he reaches 700 PAs automatically extends the deal an additional year, for up to 3 additional years. If the 3 option years do not vest, they can be bought out for $2.5m each. minimum deal = 5 years / $90m max deal = 8 years / $160m This allows Reyes to get BETTER than "Crawford money" if he stays healthy and productive, which saves face for him and basically makes him a Met for life, while offering the Mets at least some downside protection if Reyes continues to break down every year. of course, 1 owner offering 7 years/$140m will likely blow such an offer out of the water. I like it, but I doubt Reyes would accept. he hasn't touched 700 PA since '08. I'd think he'd more likely accept at 650, which, honestly, I could live with. I could see something like: 5 years 17 guaranteed. 1mil for 600, 1 mil for 650. 1mil 700 (2012-2017) 6th year at 22 mil guaranteed kicks in with MVP award, WS MVP or 600PA in 2017 or 1150 combined for 2016 & 2017. - single 5mil buyout if goals aren't met, contract over. 7th year with 24 mil guaranteed kicks in 2 MVP/WS MVP or 600 in 2018 or 1150 combined 2017 & 2018 anyways, there's my WACP....

Vic Sage Nov 03 2011 01:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Reyes has been in the majors for parts of 9 seasons. Out of those 9, he's had only 4 "full seasons" (2005-2008) where he's played at least 150 games. In each of those 4 seasons, he exceeded 700 PAs. So i don't think my proposal based on 700 PAs established an unrealistic expectation for a full-time leadoff hitter. I would only agree to move the threshold down to 650 if he was moved down in the batting order. I'm not particularly interested in Reyes for 600 PAs, when he has missed 20%-25% of the season... at least not for $17m-$20m/yr. And so I don't think the Mets should pay that unless we're getting prime/full-season production. If we do, he gets his money. If we don't, he still gets $16.5m, which ain't bad either. he just doesnt get to roll that into bonuses and additional years. would he take something like this? well, that depends entirely on his options.

Ceetar Nov 03 2011 02:16 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

this thread needs more ! because it doesn't appear to be getting through to Sandy/Jose.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2011 02:52 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Well, you could set a lower bonus at 650.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 03 2011 02:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Vic Sage wrote: some of those guys are saying their teams won't be interested because OTHER teams will bid up the price too high. But the OTHER teams are also saying the same thing. If you want everybody else to spend more than you would, wouldn't the only guys you publicly say "no" to be the guys you actually want?

Vic Sage Nov 03 2011 03:06 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Well, you could set a lower bonus at 650. YOU could, but i wouldn't. As far as i'm concerned, it's a slippery slope. Sure you could give them a lower bonus at 650, and a lower bonus at 600, and at 550 too. My point to them would be "I'm already paying you $16.5m if you play less than a full season. If you want that big money bonus PLUS the addition of another year to the deal, then show up healthy and play a full season." I'm not even tying these particular bonuses to PRODUCTION... if he just shows up and plays, he keeps getting $18m and another year added to the deal. If he produces, too, he could add up to another $2m per season. I don't know, i think its more than fair. is it enough to get a deal done? Again, depends on his options. I'm with Monk, though... if he gets 7yrs/$140m guaranteed, i'll drive him to the airport.

attgig Nov 03 2011 03:27 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I think the problem is that there will be another team that will guarantee more without that 700 PA. I don't think i've ever seen anyone take a 700 PA option. looking at some other players options based on plate appearances: Bobby Abreu has a 550 PA or 1100 over 2 years. Jason Bay has a 600 PA or 1000 PA over 2 years. Chipper had a 450 PA option in '07 & 08. Rickie Weeks has a 600PA or 1200 PAS over 2 years. Furcal has a 600 PA option in '11 list can go on, but... nobody even has an option that kicks in for 650PA's. that in itself would be unprecedented. I just don't see anyone accepting something that's so out of the norm.

attgig Nov 03 2011 03:29 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

and. 700 is 153+ games a year (2006). 650 is probably in the 140-145 range. I think I would be pretty happy seeing him play 140-145 games. allows for 1 15day dl stint a year or just a good number of off days spaced well through the year.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2011 06:01 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, you want to reward a guy for staying healthy, not force him to be an iron man, or to play through discomfort when it's not wise. That 700 number leaves almost no margin for error, and negotiators of good faith have to leave some.

Ceetar Nov 04 2011 07:38 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, you want to reward a guy for staying healthy, not force him to be an iron man, or to play through discomfort when it's not wise. That 700 number leaves almost no margin for error, and negotiators of good faith have to leave some. It wouldn't be hard to speculate, and Terry even did some of this, that the "iron man" attitude may have led to some of the hamstring issues. Also, perhaps playing every damn day at 110% may have contributed to a mental/physical wearing down in September of 07/08? This is reading WAY too much into it (isn't that what the offseason is about?) perhaps Reyes managing to play through a similar tightness in his hammy this September was both a sign that he can slow down when it's in his best interest (Of course, very easily could've been just a financial decision to avoid a third DL stint) AND can still contribute at a pretty high level even without his legs being 100%.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2011 07:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

As far as slowing it down, he didn't play particularly well in July and August.

Ceetar Nov 04 2011 07:57 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: As far as slowing it down, he didn't play particularly well in July and August. well, comparing him to say..Jose Reyes, he didn't. But he still pretty much played above average level for SS.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2011 09:28 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The Mets insist they want to retain Jose Reyes, but at their reasonable price and, well, they really should stop saying that. It is akin to going into a Mercedes dealership, badly wanting a new model and telling a salesman you are willing to go as high as $5,000 to get one. Free agency has begun and, thus, the fantasy that Reyes will fit into some bargain slot for the Mets is over. Whatever his injury history -- and it is concerning -- Reyes is one of the three or four most attractive players on the market and is going to have multiple bidders for his services. That combination will assure his payday soars well above the Mets’ budget. As a Mets official told me this week after the familiar mantra of we want him at our price, “I think he will be blown away by someone else.” Another Mets official said, “My instinct is no shot. Rest of article at http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/tri ... z1ckZzar4T I'm posting this excerpt from Joel Sherman's piece mainly because it's perfectly consistent with what I believe. I think Reyes will get a huge contract offer, hammies notwithstanding. For two months last year, Reyes was baseball's best player. He's now the reigning batting champ, and baseball's most exciting player. He's a shortstop ferchrisakes. He's still only 28 and won't turn 29 until about the middle of next season. And if you believe that a baseball player's prime begins at 30, as many do, well then Reyes' prime won't begin until ... ah, do the math. I'm speculating that the Mets, privately, probably believe that they have no realistic chance at all of retaining Reyes.

Vic Sage Nov 04 2011 09:34 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 04 2011 09:38 AM

well, comparing him to say..Jose Reyes, he didn't. But he still pretty much played above average level for SS. yeah, no. he didn't. July = ops+ 62; August = 63, and that's over a combined 100 PAs for the 2 months, which is 1/2 of the PAs you get from the "average level for ss". in other words, he was mediocre when he played, but he didn't play much. Guys aren't great when they don't play. Except Capuano. Apparently, according to m.e.t.b.o.t., the less he pitches the more he helps the team. So if he's out for the season, he becomes the team MVP. But when Reyes showed up, from 2005-2008, he was an MVP candidate and the kind of guy you could build around. the guy who has otherwise played 120-140 games? Not so much. Even when he produces at a great rate, as he did this past season, his 2nd half coincided with their decline from .500 team to stinky cheese. Winning a batting title on your ass is all well and good, but you don't win a division that way.

metirish Nov 04 2011 09:36 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

From said article I still suspect Reyes will get six years in the $114 million range, but to get there he will have to patiently let negotiations for Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols play out and/or let the other NL East teams fret about what happens if a switch-hitting, multi-talented, 28-year-old shortstop ends up with a competitor. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/tri ... z1ckdh6Jjq Mets better not think this is Reyes getting blown away.

Frayed Knot Nov 04 2011 09:42 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And if you believe that a baseball player's prime begins at 30, as many do ... Many do? Really?

Ashie62 Nov 04 2011 09:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I though age 26 was the breakout year....

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2011 09:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Vic Sage wrote: Ceetar wrote: well, comparing him to say..Jose Reyes, he didn't. But he still pretty much played above average level for SS. yeah, no. he didn't. July = ops+ 62; August = 63, and that's over a combined 100 PAs for the 2 months, which is 1/2 of the PAs you get from the "average level for ss". in other words, he was mediocre when he played, but he didn't play much. Guys aren't great when they don't play. Except Capuano. Apparently, according to m.e.t.b.o.t., the less he pitches the more he helps the team. So if he's out for the season, he becomes the team MVP. But when Reyes showed up, from 2005-2008, he was an MVP candidate and the kind of guy you could build around. the guy who has otherwise played 120-140 games? Not so much. Even when he produces at a great rate, as he did this past season, his 2nd half coincided with their decline from .500 team to stinky cheese. Winning a batting title on your ass is all well and good, but you don't win a division that way. It's well established by now, as you'd probably agree, that when healthy, Reyes is a superstar MVP caliber player. I say well established because it's based, not only on his 2011 batting champ campaign, but on Reyes's last six seasons (06-11). And he's still 28. Of course, a rational person shouldn't discount the injury history but I'm guessing that when 31 potential bidders are in the mix, someone's gonna bust their budget for Reyes. Barring collusion, has their ever been an offf-season where at least one free agent didn't sign a contract that exceeded expectations?

Edgy MD Nov 04 2011 09:51 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And letting the market come to you, while terribly risky, is in no way analogous to setting your price ceiling at $5,000 at a Mercedes Benz dealership. Most obviously, the Mets haven't set a ceiling --- not one that he or I are privy to. Seriously, Sherman?

attgig Nov 04 2011 09:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If I were another team, I'd be willing to bet that my team's medical staff will do a better job than the Mets staff, and he'll be a lot healthier going forward, even if he does turn 30 in a couple. Risk that I'd be willing to take. there was an article on espn giving a plan B if the cardinals didn't resign pujols, which included moving Berkman to 1b, craig to RF, and then signing both Reyes and Kelly Johnson (for ~price of what they would pay pujuls). it seems like a very solid plan b if they don't get pujols...

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2011 10:01 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: And letting the market come to you, while terribly risky, is in no way analogous to setting your price ceiling at $5,000 at a Mercedes Benz dealership. Most obviously, the Mets haven't set a ceiling --- not one that he or I are privy to. Seriously, Sherman? I will guess that we will never officially learn the Mets top number for signing Reyes. This way, they can always claim, after they get blown out of the waters, that they had a competitive offer but chose not to sign Reyes. On Sherman ... well , yeah ... the Mets won't offer Reyes $5,000. Sherman's $5,000 was not literal, dont'cha think? $5,000.00 was simply a figure of speech, applied to something to which the figure is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. You know, like a metaphor. I think that what Sherman is really saying is that the Mets can't afford Reyes but have too much pride to admit it, so they engage in, or will engage in these machinations to make it appear that they are in complete control of the situation.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2011 10:12 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

That's a lot of sarcasm.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2011 10:22 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I could do more.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2011 10:25 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Please do less.

Vic Sage Nov 04 2011 10:30 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Nov 04 2011 10:57 AM

I say well established because it's based, not only on his 2011 batting champ campaign, but on Reyes's last six seasons (06-11). No it's not. Our "MVP" evaluation of his talent rests entirely on 2 great full seasons out of 9 years he's played to date: 2006 and 2008, with a great 2011 marred (to some extent) by missing 1/4 of season. These great years are supported by 2 other good (non-MVP type) full seasons in 2005 and 2007, and some decent and less-than-decent partial years, all well short of "MVP all-star caliber". So, no i don't think that its actually "established" that he's a perennial MVP all-star type player. I think he has been that intermittently, and there is no guarantee that paying him like one going forward will change his inconsistency. That's why i suggested a proposal that only paid him like a superstar when he was healthy enough to play every day. He's still only 28 and won't turn 29 until about the middle of next season. And if you believe that a baseball player's prime begins at 30, as many do, well then Reyes' prime won't begin until ... ah, do the math. i don't think chronological age is the risk factor here. sure, the next contract buys him from age 29-34 or 35, and those are (theoretically) still productive years, even if just past the prime ages of 25-29 (nobody thinks a player's prime begins at 30... at least not since the juice era ended). But insofar as his game is his legs, and legs are the first to go, and his have been going consistently, with his last 3 years all marred by injuries (to a greater or lesser degree), I don't think it's AGE that is at issue with him. But while realizing the injuries shouldn't be "discounted", you then go on to do so, in effect, by blaming any potential met failure to resign him on a pre-ordained secret strategy to NOT sign him due to their poverty (or penuriousness), rather than a rational decision not to over-invest in a high-risk/high-reward player coming off 3 consecutive seasons of significant leg injuries, who has been a "superstar" in 3 years out of 9, but wants to be guaranteed superstar salary over many years to come.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2011 10:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Please do less. Moderate this. (Please).

Edgy MD Nov 04 2011 10:48 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I don't know what that means. I guess "no" is the bottom line.

Ashie62 Nov 04 2011 08:15 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Is Jose Reyes worth the pissing contest?

smg58 Nov 04 2011 08:25 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'd argue that the prime of a player whose game revolves around speed is more likely to end at 30 than begin.

Ashie62 Nov 04 2011 08:40 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Scroll on ESPN says Reyes not likely to give Mets a discount and wants to play for a contender.

Ceetar Nov 05 2011 11:52 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

That anyone is arguing that a legendary Met who's barely, if at all, middle-aged in baseball terms and who's one of the most exciting players to watch and extremely talented should _not_ be a Met is just ridiculous. It's really very very simple. Either you're a professional baseball team that wants to build a winning team, or you're not. If there's a scenario where having Jose Reyes on your team is a bad idea..then I dunno that I can watch baseball anymore. Even if Joker was holding Jose at gunpoint, I'd still say the chances of Reyes being healthy in 2012 are vastly greater than the chance that Ruben Tejada even gives us anything close to what Reyes does.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2011 12:03 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The scenario is whether he's worth the price, or whether, on the other hand, if the money he'll cost is better invested elsewhere. And that's not so simple.

Ceetar Nov 05 2011 12:15 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: The scenario is whether he's worth the price, or whether, on the other hand, if the money he'll cost is better invested elsewhere. And that's not so simple. I disagree. I'm no the GM/owner. I don't care how the finances are. They've been making a point of it not being impacted by Madoff..well fine, keep great/loved players.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2011 12:46 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I didn't think you were the GM or the owner. But you're clearly speaking to the actions and choices of the management. If the reality that teams can't always afford everybody we want them to sign is enough to make you quit, then it is. But it's nothing new.

TransMonk Nov 05 2011 01:02 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: I disagree. I'm no the GM/owner. I don't care how the finances are. They've been making a point of it not being impacted by Madoff..well fine, keep great/loved players. Going beyond 5 years guaranteed at the annual salary we're talking about is a BAD business move...no matter how exciting Jose is at 28. THAT is the deal breaker. I think if Jose were looking for a short-term deal for the most $$$, the Mets would have him signed by now. But paying 34-35 year old shortstops ~$20M is going to handcuff whatever team offers that kind of deal down the line.

Ceetar Nov 05 2011 01:38 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: I think if Jose were looking for a short-term deal for the most $$$, the Mets would have him signed by now. But paying 34-35 year old shortstops ~$20M is going to handcuff whatever team offers that kind of deal down the line. Says who? I don't know if that's true. Especially for Reyes, who likely will still be a pretty damn good player. 35 isn't 55. And winning in the interim will raise payroll. ideally the Mets will only have ~40ish invested in what may be overpaid players in 2016, and Wright and Reyes should still be productive. building wisely _around_ them in the meantime, as well as being successful, makes it much less likely that it'll handcuff the Mets.

Ashie62 Nov 05 2011 02:21 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Are you optimistic or just enjoy being stubborn?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2011 02:51 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

He made the same vacuous argument about Frankie Rodriguez. Ceetar seems to think that if a player is good, it doesn't matter how much you pay him.

TransMonk Nov 05 2011 03:01 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: Says who? Me. Ceetar wrote: I don't know if that's true. Especially for Reyes, who likely will still be a pretty damn good player. His legs (and excitement) will be the first to go. There aren't a lot of 35 year old base stealers who leg out triples. His average (I know how you feel) defense will decline as his legs go, too. Ceetar wrote: 35 isn't 55. When you're comparing MLBers with average Joes, I would say they are mighty comparable. Ceetar wrote: And winning in the interim will raise payroll. ideally the Mets will only have ~40ish invested in what may be overpaid players in 2016, and Wright and Reyes should still be productive. building wisely _around_ them in the meantime, as well as being successful, makes it much less likely that it'll handcuff the Mets. But they have only been marginally successful with Wright and Reyes in the past 7 when they were underpaying them. They brought in Pedro and Carlos and Johan and Bay, but for what? Calling baseball personnel moves wise is usually only something you can do in the past tense.

Ceetar Nov 05 2011 03:07 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He made the same vacuous argument about Frankie Rodriguez. Ceetar seems to think that if a player is good, it doesn't matter how much you pay him. no i didn't, and for the most part, it doesn't matter.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2011 08:31 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

smg58 wrote: I'd argue that the prime of a player whose game revolves around speed is more likely to end at 30 than begin. Baseball players' overall peak (that's peak, not prime years) is at about 30; a tad earlier for triples; a tad later for walk rate, among other stats. Given this, it's not unreasonable for a player's prime years to be his early thirties: if his 31-32 years are closer in performance to his 30/peak than his 28-29 years, than his prime would be 30-32. Of course it'll be years before we can identify Reyes' peak or prime, or whether Reyes' next deal will have been worth it. I agree that Reyes might have already peaked, if that's what you're suggesting, not that I really know for sure.. All I'm saying is that I believe that some owner is going to lavish him with an amount of money that the Mets can't match. What I've been saying all along is that I believe that the Mets won't be able to retain Reyes even if they privately want to go all Mo Vaughn on him.

dgwphotography Nov 06 2011 08:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm already sick of this - let's just shit or get off the pot. If this off-season is going to be a daily dose of will he return or not, wake me up in April.

MFS62 Nov 06 2011 08:56 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

We all have to remember what an emotional roller-coaster it means to be a Mets fan. That tradition tells us two things will happen: 1) The Mets will re-sign Reyes. 2) The very next day, MLB will put his thyroid medication on the banned substances list. Later

Ceetar Nov 06 2011 08:58 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

MFS62 wrote: We all have to remember what an emotional roller-coaster it means to be a Mets fan. That tradition tells us two things will happen: 1) The Mets will re-sign Reyes. 2) The very next day, MLB will put his thyroid medication on the banned substances list. Later funny, but luckily he's not taking medication. :-D dgwphotography wrote: I'm already sick of this - let's just shit or get off the pot. If this off-season is going to be a daily dose of will he return or not, wake me up in April. yeah..while it could end tomorrow, seems unlikely to be a quick thing. I really hope afterwards they call up Wright and get that extension done too. Don't want to have to put up with this again next year.

Centerfield Nov 08 2011 11:09 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Latest rumors have the Marlins threatening to go all Tom Hicks on Reyes. I know these are just rumors, and writers want to make it seem like he is leaving, but this does not make me happy.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2011 11:12 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'm coming to accept that he'll be gone, and if it doesn't work out that way, I'll be very pleasantly surprised.

metirish Nov 08 2011 11:13 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I keep opening this thread hoping that the latest poster is about to tell us that Jose has signed with the Mets.

TransMonk Nov 08 2011 11:26 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm coming to accept that he'll be gone, and if it doesn't work out that way, I'll be very pleasantly surprised. I adopted that line of thinking earlier this season. Now I'm just hoping that he'll leave the division so we don't have to see him 19 times a year.

Ceetar Nov 08 2011 11:36 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metirish wrote: I keep opening this thread hoping that the latest poster is about to tell us that Jose has signed with the Mets. That deserves it's own thread. But that's the feeling i get everytime the Mets send me a press release.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2011 11:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And it's a bit of a letdown to find out that the press release is about blue paint.

Ceetar Nov 08 2011 11:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And it's a bit of a letdown to find out that the press release is about blue paint. holiday food drive this time.

Ashie62 Nov 08 2011 12:13 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Heyman has the Brewers, Giants and Marlins pursuing Reyes. Thankfully its only Heyman.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2011 12:44 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Giants loading for bear. They traded for Melky F Cabrera yesterday

Vic Sage Nov 08 2011 02:57 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm coming to accept that he'll be gone, and if it doesn't work out that way, I'll be very pleasantly surprised. I adopted that line of thinking earlier this season. Now I'm just hoping that he'll leave the division so we don't have to see him 19 times a year. well, that means he won't actually play against us more than 12-14 times a year. And if he's had a good season, we might not see him at all at the end.

TransMonk Nov 08 2011 03:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Vic Sage wrote: well, that means he won't actually play against us more than 12-14 times a year. And if he's had a good season, we might not see him at all at the end. BOC!

metsguyinmichigan Nov 08 2011 07:46 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

TransMonk wrote: Vic Sage wrote: well, that means he won't actually play against us more than 12-14 times a year. And if he's had a good season, we might not see him at all at the end. BOC! I confess if took me a while to get this. Nice job!

Edgy MD Nov 09 2011 10:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Reports have the Marlins in for three years. ~$60 million. Healthy, but I imagine he'll keep browsing.

metsmarathon Nov 09 2011 10:59 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

whither hanley?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2011 11:03 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

"reports" i.e., John Harper's shitty column advocating that Sandy Alderson publicly declare the team out of the Reyes sweepstakes and by extension, the 2012 season. He also "reports" that the Mets' likely offer would be ~80 million for 4 years.

metirish Nov 09 2011 11:05 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 09 2011 11:07 AM

Kevin Kernan in the Post has this song from Reyes as a sign of Jose's true feelings [youtube:222f1txe]VorzKV5g498[/youtube:222f1txe] "No Hay Amigo" - means there are no friends http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/tha ... o73416Y02L

Edgy MD Nov 09 2011 11:06 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, it looks like most, if not all, of the stories have Harper DNA. Kiernan definitely wins the Dumb of the Day Award.

metirish Nov 09 2011 11:09 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Dumb as shit but apparently Kernan takes this seriously, he actually wrote this In his song and video “No Hay Amigo’’ that was released in July, Reyes sings the following powerful words: “There are no friends. A friend is a dollar in my pocket. As soon as you turn your back your friends want to stab you in the back. A real friend is a glass full of water in the desert to quench your thirst. ... Where were you when I used to practice without any food to eat or when I used to spend a week with the same T-shirt? There are no friends. My friends are my mother and my father, the ones who struggled with me to make me who I am.’’ The Mets are no longer Reyes’ friends. The Mets are financially strapped and seemed to have taken the following approach when it comes to their game plan for getting back into the thick of the NL East race some day: “Let’s wait until the Phillies get old.’’ Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/tha ... z1dEVIJYbf

Edgy MD Nov 09 2011 11:15 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The Apple wasn't particularly funny, but it gets points for going the way it did before reading Kiernan's article. With no NBA, the Reyes Sweepstakes is going to get a lot of mid-week backpage ink, news or no.

Ceetar Nov 09 2011 11:38 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: The Apple wasn't particularly funny, but it gets points for going the way it did before reading Kiernan's article. With no NBA, the Reyes Sweepstakes is going to get a lot of mid-week backpage ink, news or no. also, The Apple is an onion-style parody and supposedly Kiernan is a 'legitimate journalist'.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2011 11:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

i think that's abundantly clear.

Ceetar Nov 09 2011 12:01 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: i think that's abundantly clear. I think reasserting is helpful to realize how differently the words are treated, despite often being pretty similiar.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2011 02:31 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Heyman sayeth that the Giants are cold. Marlins still hot. Tigers and Brewers warm. Nats are warmish. Mets are the Mets. It's all just noise!

Ceetar Nov 09 2011 02:39 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Heyman sayeth that the Giants are cold. Marlins still hot. Tigers and Brewers warm. Nats are warmish. Mets are the Mets. It's all just noise! Is this on the Kelvin scale?

Edgy MD Nov 10 2011 01:12 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Walt Jocketty has been in meetings this week formulating the Reds budget. It sounds like the the club did not suddenly discover an extra $10 or $20 million. That means another year of mostly being on sidelines when it comes to free agent shopping. So no calls to agents for Jose Reyes or C.J. Wilson. “Oh, God, no,” Jocketty said. “We’d love to but we won’t be doing anything like that. We’ve got to be more creative.” That's one!

G-Fafif Nov 10 2011 03:20 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Utterly misleading, typically careless MetsBlog headline (it's a hardhat, in deference to the construction site, not a "helmet"), but still chilling. The video: [youtube]3_GbSqq9tsM[/youtube]

Edgy MD Nov 11 2011 09:52 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

A Marlins source returning from the Cespedes workout relayed to Marlins broadcaster that Reyes is "almost a done deal."

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2011 09:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

That's a bit hard to believe. Unless Jose's plan all along was to be a Marlin (like it was with Darryl and the Dodgers) I would think that there's still a way to go with this.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2011 09:58 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Agreed. But maybe they made the old pre-emptive offer, and that three-year stuff was crap. And maybe he does want to be a Marlin --- live in a Dominican clime and such. Maybe.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2011 10:05 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, I suppose that's a definite possibility. I don't think he's in "I wanna get out of New York" mode like Darryl was, but he may have no interest at all in places like Detroit and Milwaukee. Maybe if the Marlins make him a good offer, and the Mets won't top it/match it/come close, he'll be done shopping.

TransMonk Nov 11 2011 10:08 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Maybe he REALLY wants to wear contruction worker orange and fell in love with the new unis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2011 10:24 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If you play the B side of his raaggaetron record backward, the lyrics clearly spell it out.

seawolf17 Nov 11 2011 10:29 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Someone update the 2012 Roster thread STAT, just in case.

Centerfield Nov 11 2011 10:58 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

FUCK THE MARLINS

metsguyinmichigan Nov 11 2011 11:05 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I call BS. There is no real advantage to signing soon. Even if he is blown away by an offer, he can play one team against the other for a while -- or, in the case of ARod and the Rangers, play a team against itself.

metirish Nov 11 2011 04:09 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

@Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: #Marlins have made substantial offers to both Reyes and Pujols. #STLCards #Mets #mlb

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2011 04:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Looking forward to the 2013 dismantling already.

Ceetar Nov 11 2011 05:00 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

metirish wrote: @Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: #Marlins have made substantial offers to both Reyes and Pujols. #STLCards #Mets #mlb *snicker* I kinda doubt it. What, they're going to suddenly had $50++ million a year to the payroll?

metirish Nov 11 2011 05:08 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: @Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: #Marlins have made substantial offers to both Reyes and Pujols. #STLCards #Mets #mlb *snicker* I kinda doubt it. What, they're going to suddenly had $50++ million a year to the payroll? I wouldn't be surprised, need to fill that new stadium.

Centerfield Nov 12 2011 07:19 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

WE GONNA FUCKING LOSE HIM. OFFER 7 YEARS NOW!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2011 09:48 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I dreamed last night Reyes signed a 2-year contract with the Marlins for $60 million.

Ashie62 Nov 12 2011 05:41 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The Miami Marlins, new name, logo and apparently budget.

bmfc1 Nov 13 2011 03:33 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

A lot of Twitter noise that Jose is about to sign with Miami.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2011 03:44 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

A lot of Twitter noise that Jose is about to sign with Miami. Report: Jose Reyes to Marlins Done Deal Posted by: Howard Megdal - Posted in Business of Baseball, Player moves, Today's Mets headlines on Nov 13, 2011 Both Dino Costa of Sirius/XM Radio and Business of Baseball’s Maury Brown are reporting that Jose Reyes to the Marlins is complete. Terms still unknown, and each has a caveat (Costa says Hanley Ramirez needs to sign off on a move to third base, MLB Network Radio says it pending a physical). I’ve made no secret here and in my other reporting how this seemed to be a near-certainty, given ownership’s financial situation. But my only reaction right now is anger that my daughter won’t get to grow up watching Jose Reyes play on a regular basis. And if the deal is short, for more annual value, as has been rumored, the one remaining reason not to sign Reyes (beware the ides of long-term contracts) didn’t even apply here. Ridiculous. The Marlins first arrive at Citi Field on Tuesday, April 24 for a three-game series. It is a Tuesday-Thursday, so good news for the Mets- they’ll sell plenty of tickets for some weeknight games. But without Reyes, they probably shouldn’t get used to that. http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2011/11/13/r ... done-deal/

Edgy MD Nov 13 2011 03:52 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, I caught that too. Maybe, but we don't have much in the way of new sources. Costa --- a gun jumper --- was the original source. Brown's tweet was "MLB Network Radio saying they are NOT reporting Reyes to Marlins. Hearing elsewhere it IS happening."

metirish Nov 13 2011 03:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Never stood a chance, will be interesting to hear his thoughts on the Wilpons, if he has any.

SteveJRogers Nov 13 2011 03:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

As much as I'm on the "Reyes leaving isn't as big as Seaver/Strawberry leaving" side of things, I'd be highly disappointing if it turned out the Mets never made an offer or were at least given the right to counter. Seems WAY to fast for this to have happened without something from the Met camp. And this actually gives Reyes bowing out of the final game an even more distasteful feeling. Seriously, that was it? THAT is your final moment as a Met? No chance for fans to give you a possible final farewell? And don't give me the "blah blah Ted Williams blah blah, Gods don't take curtain calls blah blah" Updike crap. Alright, rant over... Oh, for what it's worth, MLB Network is saying that the above report is NOT true. So we do have some conflicting stories going on.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 13 2011 03:59 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Rotoworld, quoting someone from the Palm Beach Post wrote: Jose Reyes and the Marlins have not agreed to contact terms, according to Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post.Capozzi cited a Marlins team source. Dino Costa of SiriusXM reported Sunday evening that Reyes had agreed to terms with the Marlins and Jorge Sedano of 790 AM The Ticket in Miami followed with a report that a deal was almost completed. But Capozzi is a far more reliable source. We'd expect Reyes to visit more teams before agreeing to a contract. Sounds like the news is that the Marlins think Jose is a good shortstop and would really like to have him on their team.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 13 2011 04:16 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Apparently premature. Still, though.

Frayed Knot Nov 13 2011 06:50 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Saying that 'Hanley needs to agree first' as the snag holding up the deal sounds like a cheesy excuse for jumping the gun on calling the deal - otherwise known as 'Screwing the Pooch'. I understand why the Marlins would want to get Ramirez involved but it's not like he has a choice in the matter and if he takes the tact that he's going to refuse to play (like anyone has ever actually followed through on that threat) you either deal him or tell him to suck it up for another year or two until HE is a FA and then he can go play SS anywhere he wants (assuming some other team sees him still playing there in another few seasons).

Edgy MD Nov 13 2011 06:56 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Alfonso Soriano followed through on the refuse-to-move threat --- for, like, two spring training games.

metirish Nov 13 2011 07:02 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

And hasn't Ramirez already said he would move?

metirish Nov 14 2011 05:45 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Sandy speaks Mets GM discusses Jose Reyes' future By Adam Rubin ESPNNewYork.com Archive MILWAUKEE -- New York Mets general manager Sandy Alderson has spoken with the representatives for Jose Reyes since the free-agent shortstop's visit last week to Miami. And Alderson is under the impression that Reyes is not signing quickly with the Marlins ... or anywhere else. Then again, Alderson noted, closer Jonathan Papelbon already has signed with the Philadelphia Phillies. So you never know. "I've said in the past, these things typically go slowly," Alderson said on Monday afternoon, after arriving at the Pfister Hotel ini Milwaukee for the annual GM meetings. "But apparently Papelbon is already signed." Alderson said he does not expect Reyes' agent, Peter Greenberg, to meet with teams at the GM meetings because Greenberg is out of the country. ESPN's Buster Olney expects Reyes ultimately will land with the Marlins for five years at $90 million to $100 million. As for the Mets' dialogue with Reyes, Alderson said: "We've had some conversations. I wouldn't classify them as substantive -- more than phone tag. ... I don't want to get into any detail. But I also while saying I don't want to comment, I don't want to give you the false impression that we are anywhere along the road. I still think it's early, notwithstanding all the background noise from the last week." Alderson expects to be given a chance to make an offer once it gets late in the process. "Nobody has promised us we'll have the last clear chance, but I would expect we would continue to talk with Jose's agents," Alderson said. "It's been amicable to this point." If Reyes were to end up with the Marlins, or anywhere in the division, the Mets would see the 2011 NL batting champ 18 times a season. Alderson confirmed Ruben Tejada would be the shortstop in Reyes' absence. He did not commit to Daniel Murphy being the primary second baseman in that scenario, but that is expected to be the case. "I don't think Jose ending up anywhere outside the Mets is ideal," Alderson said. "In terms of in the division or out of the division, ultimately that's not something we control." It would be a double-whammy if Reyes ended up with the Marlins. Miami picks ninth in the draft, which means its first-round pick is protected. That means the Mets would get Miami's second-round pick for losing Reyes, not the Marlins' first-round pick. "That's not something we can control, so it's not something I can worry about," Alderson said. Alderson added that he is working under the assumption that the existing draft-pick compensation rules will be in effect for free agents signed this offseason. Major League Baseball and the players' union are nearing a new collective bargaining agreement that will alter the way draft-pick compensation works. "I'm operating on the assumption, the presumption I guess, that the old rules will be grandfathered in for next season," Alderson said. "But I don't know that." Alderson has suggested the Mets' payroll could go from $140 million this past season to less than $100 million on Opening Day in 2012. Asked if the payroll constraint was fueling the Mets' approach to Reyes, Alderson said: "I wouldn't say that's strictly the case -- that if the payroll were higher we would definitely re-sign Jose. I wouldn't say that was necessarily the case." Alderson added that dialogue with other teams is not far enough along that he can conclude that the Mets do not have a shot at re-signing Reyes. Follow Adam Rubin on Twitter: @AdamRubinESPN

Ashie62 Nov 14 2011 07:09 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Fuck you Sandy

Edgy MD Nov 14 2011 07:11 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Where the heck is Greenberg?

Ceetar Nov 14 2011 08:10 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: Where the heck is Greenberg? I don't know, but it'd be a quite a coup if the Marlins are in the process of signing Reyes while he's out of the country. I'm sure those reports were all totally accurate.

Ashie62 Nov 15 2011 07:17 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

My temporary favorite player is Hanley Ramirez. Hold em up bitchboy.

Edgy MD Nov 15 2011 07:35 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The more I look at this, the more I look at Alderson and Ricco trying (and struggling) to construct a scenario whereas they can retain both Reyes and Wright and it means not only backloading, but austerity in almost all other departments. It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. Capuano wants two years? Give him two beers and tell him to get lost. We'll find some other post-op dude to be 2012's Capuano. It would mean perhaps somehow eating 70% of Bay's remaining contract. It has meant kicking AAAA players to the curb. It has meant cutting administrative staff. I think they've already closed their Venezuelan Academy. The head-scratcher is that they're still looking to add a veteran closer. That's Reyes money, you fools.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2011 07:37 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Edgy DC wrote: It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. I agree with every one of your statements. Shed, shed, and toss.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 07:39 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. I agree with every one of your statements. Shed, shed, and toss. Except Alderson has pointed out that he feels he can afford to sign the other players they need AND Reyes. So the Mets aren't looking to pinch pennies from one to pay for another. Yes, it could get sticky if the the team plays worse next year, but it definitely will if they don't sign him.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2011 07:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: It would mean likely shedding Pelfrey and Pagan and perhaps promoting not-yet-ripe rookies as their replacements. It would mean tossing Paulino over and living with Thole plus Nickeas plus rookies and journeymen. I agree with every one of your statements. Shed, shed, and toss. Except Alderson has pointed out that he feels he can afford to sign the other players they need AND Reyes. So the Mets aren't looking to pinch pennies from one to pay for another. Yes, it could get sticky if the the team plays worse next year, but it definitely will if they don't sign him. I'm just saying that lost in this whole thing is that I think those three specific guys should be former Mets.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 07:46 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Yeah, I disagree, but that's perhaps better for the Non-Tender Pelf thread. I just mean that it doesn't seem like the Mets need to non-tender Pagan and play F-Mart to save 4 million in order to give that to Reyes.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2011 07:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Maybe, but that's the perception when Reyes is a Marlin and Pelf gives up fourteen runs in two-thirds of an inning on April 6, 2012, abetted by four Pagan errors.

Edgy MD Nov 15 2011 07:49 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Except Alderson has pointed out that he feels he can afford to sign the other players they need AND Reyes. So the Mets aren't looking to pinch pennies from one to pay for another. Every word I read from Alderson seems to be carefully designed to be prepare me for the harsh reality that signing Reyes is no likelihood. If he signs Reyes and "the other players they need," they will mostly be cheapo versions of the other players they need. And I'm OK with that.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 07:57 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

"I don't think Jose ending up anywhere outside the Mets is ideal," Alderson said. "In terms of in the division or out of the division, ultimately that's not something we control." that quote doesn't sound like spin to cushion the blow. It makes it sound like a priority to me.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2011 08:08 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Sandy isn't saying that he thinks Jose will return, nor that he thinks he'll be gone. He's preparing us for his loss, but not telling us to give up hope that he'll stay. In other words, he's acknowledging that it can go one way or the other, which may very well be true. (We, the fans, have no real idea of what the Mets can and can't spend.) Having said that, I agree with the approach that Edgy is spelling out. I'd be fine with the Mets going cheap at several positions in 2012 if it means keeping Jose and David for the long haul. They have a shot at being cheap and fairly productive at first base and second base (and shortstop if Jose leaves). Give Thole a chance to mature, or get a journeyman veteran to catch, or both. I don't have a strong preference there. Centerfield? Ditch Pagan and get a stopgap if you think Angel will be seriously overpaid. If you can keep him at an acceptable price, do so and hope that his 2012 will be more like his 2010.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 08:15 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

It's not about what Sandy thinks Jose thinks. But the "It's not ideal" quote, among many many others, is suggestive of what Sandy thinks.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2011 08:24 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I feel so prepared for JoseJose's departure that I'm cycling though all kinds of potential upsides. Practice being an Optimistic Met Fan with me: "I don't like how so-called "speed guys" age generally, and think Reyes is already sliding defensively." "It's a relief to not have so much of the team's fortunes invested in one guy." "Sure we'll miss Reyes, but we can get 2 guys for what he'd cost!"

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 08:25 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I feel so prepared for JoseJose's departure that I'm cycling though all kinds of potential upsides. Practice being an Optimistic Met Fan with me: "I don't like how so-called "speed guys" age generally, and think Reyes is already sliding defensively." "It's a relief to not have so much of the team's fortunes invested in one guy." "Sure we'll miss Reyes, but we can get 2 guys for what he'd cost!" none of those scenarios make the Mets better.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2011 08:30 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Listen to the Pessimistic Met Fan. Geez.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2011 08:31 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If Jose plays 90 games per year over the next six years, and is paid close to $20 million per year to do it, it would be far better for the Mets if he did that for someone else. That, I think, is the key. If he's healthy, the Mets are better with him. And if his injury rate accelerates, which it very well might, they're better off without him.

G-Fafif Nov 15 2011 08:39 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Marlin offer reportedly (per Rosenthal via McCullough) is 6 for 90. The first solid offer for the services of Jose Reyes has seen the light of day – and it foretells bad news for the Mets. The reliable Fox Sports duo of Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi reported early this morning that the Miami Marlins have extended an initial offer of six years, $90 million for Reyes.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 08:41 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Jose plays 90 games per year over the next six years, and is paid close to $20 million per year to do it, it would be far better for the Mets if he did that for someone else. That, I think, is the key. If he's healthy, the Mets are better with him. And if his injury rate accelerates, which it very well might, they're better off without him. he could also never miss a day. I doubt he plays merely 90/yr. Maybe 120-130 a year if he deals with some injuries, but injuries aren't exactly something you can measure. If you only take risks on guys that have never gotten injured, all you get is guys that haven't been injured yet. I especially don't know how you can guess that his injury rate accelerates, since his injuries have been one serious leg injury from which he recovered, and some minor hamstring tightness. some sore hamstrings are expected occasionally, but as he "slows down" he'll be less likely to tweak a muscle tearing around second base at the speed of light, his drives into the gaps will result in doubles instead of triples, and that's clearly still very valuable.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2011 08:43 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Doesn't appear as though Mets would exceed 6/90 by much. But who knows.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2011 08:48 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

That's "only" $15 million per year. I don't see how it would blow the Mets out of the water.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2011 08:51 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If the Mets can't afford 6/90 then I suspect that the Mets finances are like the economy: they're in far worse shape than they are willing to admit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2011 08:51 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Mets would prolly prefer more $$, fewer years.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2011 08:54 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Mets would prolly prefer more $$, fewer years. I don't get it. You mean like Mets: We'll pay you more than $90M. But you can leave before the sixth season?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 15 2011 09:07 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

No I was just relaying what Tracky was telling me this morning in the Snooze about the Mets preferring not to exceed 4 years for Reyes.

TransMonk Nov 15 2011 09:12 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

If the Marlins are offering 6 years guaranteed, they can have him as far as I'm concerned.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2011 09:18 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: No I was just relaying what Tracky was telling me this morning in the Snooze about the Mets preferring not to exceed 4 years for Reyes. I see. More money per season/less seasons. So something like 4/70, perhaps.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2011 09:37 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I don't think 4/70 gets him. They'll have to top $90M, regardless of years. He's not leaving money on the table.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2011 09:47 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

My sense is that he might take a little less money to stay in New York over going to Detroit or Milwaukee, but Miami is probably a different story.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2011 09:49 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

seawolf17 wrote: I don't think 4/70 gets him. They'll have to top $90M, regardless of years. He's not leaving money on the table. I agree. I threw out "4/70" only to show that I finally got what JCL was talking about with the less years. But the more I look at 4/70 (which again, is a totally hypothetical offer), the more competitive I think it is. For Reyes to accept a 4/70 deal, Reyes would be gambling that he could average at least more than $10M five and six years out from now. Put that way, 4/70 wouldn't be such an unreasonable offer, though there would be some risk involved, should Reyes accept it. 4/72 or 4/75 would be even more competitive, but at those numbers, the Mets are probably better off matching the 6/90. Anyways, assuming the 6/90 is accurate, it's only the opening offer. Those numbers should move up some during the process.

Ceetar Nov 15 2011 10:10 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'd imagine the Mets (But not necessarily Alderson) would prefer more years and less money. It only makes sense. They're likely to lose money next year, even with Reyes, unless they make the playoffs (Practically out of the question w/o him). They may even lose money the year after that. But the goal is to get revenue above payroll, and presumably by raising revenue, which means building a team that's a contender or at least a big draw in say 2016. If they've done that, even if Reyes isn't as good as his peak, it'll be a lot easier to work around his contract versus the extra $5 million+ they'd lose in the immedicity if they went high $ less year.

smg58 Nov 15 2011 10:23 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

I'd go as high as 6 and $96. I could live with that not getting it done, but I wouldn't allow Florida to sign him for less than that.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2011 10:27 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: I'd imagine the Mets (But not necessarily Alderson) would prefer more years and less money. It only makes sense. To the owners, it does. What buyer wouldn't want to pay less for more? But try getting Reyes to take less money for more years.

Edgy MD Nov 15 2011 10:55 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: "I don't think Jose ending up anywhere outside the Mets is ideal," Alderson said. "In terms of in the division or out of the division, ultimately that's not something we control." that quote doesn't sound like spin to cushion the blow. It makes it sound like a priority to me. I didn't say anything about any spin.

Ashie62 Nov 15 2011 03:07 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Reyes to the highest bidder. Sandy's shot..slim and none.

Ashie62 Nov 15 2011 04:04 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Just saw the Marlins are 6 for 90? Cmon Sandy, thats EZ

metirish Nov 15 2011 05:09 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ashie62 wrote: Just saw the Marlins are 6 for 90? Cmon Sandy, thats EZ Saw that "@SI_JonHeyman: Assuming report of $90M for 6 from miami for reyes is right, #mets think they can play there. No 1 expects that to be final # tho" More "@SI_JonHeyman: #mets believe reyes will come back to give them a chance after he's done shopping but know he isn't obligated to do so" "@SI_JonHeyman: Mets gm alderson: we're not initiating any david wright trade talk. Will only consider "if someone blows us away."" Alderson talking a lot lately

Edgy MD Nov 15 2011 05:21 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

The "blows us away" quote is at least six days old. Heyman thinks Twitter is for recycling.

TransMonk Nov 15 2011 06:30 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

SI_JonHeyman wrote: No 1 expects that to be final # tho The new journalism.

Edgy MD Nov 15 2011 06:44 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Go Joelmon!

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2011 11:23 PM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Is interest in Reyes cooling down? Competition for free agent Jose Reyes narrows as general managers say no way Excerpt: M ILWAUKEE - Amid a Fox Sports report that the money-waving Miami Marlins were already out there with a six-year, $90 million offer for Jose Reyes, there were some initially projected suitors for the Mets free agent shortstop at the GM meetings Tuesday saying they had other priorities. For those keeping score, count the Giants, Angels, Brewers and Nationals all out. Giants GM Brian Sabean’s priority is to lock up his two-time Cy Young Award-winning ace, Tim Lincecum, to a long-term deal. He also looking for a power outfield bat to replace Carlos Beltran, whom he deems too expensive. Angels rookie GM Jerry DiPoto, when asked if his deep-pocketed team might be shopping in the high-end free-agent market for a Reyes, Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder said: “I don't see it right now. I’m looking to create more (payroll) balance and not lock up a good deal of capital by chasing the biggest fish.” Brewers GM Doug Melvin, when asked if the rumors about Milwaukee being active Reyes chasers had any validity, shook his head. “As I’ve been saying, I know all the players out there,” he said, “but what I don’t know are the numbers.” And Nationals GM Mike Rizzo said he was happy with his shortstop incumbent, Ian Desmond, and sees him improving defensively. Assuming all these GMs are not just playing it coy, it could well be that the Mets’ only competition for Reyes will be the Marlins. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z1dqYl27GO

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2011 03:52 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Innnnteresting.

smg58 Nov 16 2011 05:25 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Of that group, only the Brewers were considered serious suitors for Reyes, and Melvin's quote in no way suggests they're out of it. They and the Cardinals have their own star players to worry about first, though, so Reyes is not their top priority. The other NL team I could see getting into this is Atlanta, although they're looking to free up some money first. In the AL, the Tigers have the money and Peralta could move to third base. The Yankees and Red Sox are, happily, not shopping for shortstops, and the Rangers won't be either. So I don't see more than a handful of teams getting involved, but that doesn't mean a bidding war won't happen.

Ceetar Nov 16 2011 05:50 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

well it's rare that that many teams get involved, and once they do, it easily prices out most of the tepid interest anyway. the worry was always that one team would do something completely ridiculous, but if Reyes is serious about wanting to stay, if he gives the Mets the counter opportunity on the reasonable (right now, Marlins), he might just accept it, not go back to the bidding team and get them to increase it too (like Beltran did), and then come back to the Mets again.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2011 07:22 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Commissioner's office reassures teams that they will get their free agent compensation next year no matter the collective bargaining agreement changes.

MFS62 Nov 16 2011 07:34 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

smg58 wrote: The Yankees and Red Sox are, happily, not shopping for shortstops, The Yankees don't have a shortstop. I say lock up Jose NOW! Very long term. A dollar a year for 120 million years should get it done. Later

Vic Sage Nov 16 2011 10:32 AM Re: Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

Ceetar wrote: well it's rare that that many teams get involved, and once they do, it easily prices out most of the tepid interest anyway. the worry was always that one team would do something completely ridiculous, but if Reyes is serious about wanting to stay, if he gives the Mets the counter opportunity on the reasonable (right now, Marlins), he might just accept it, not go back to the bidding team and get them to increase it too (like Beltran did), and then come back to the Mets again. why would he leave money on the table? Loyalty? Please. When you consider FLA's state tax situation, and its proximity to the DR, and the team's solvency and competitive role in the division (no worse, certainly, than the mets and probably better, with a new stadium), it will likely require the mets to not just match but meaningfully exceed the Marlins offer to persuade him to stay. And if the agent doesn't play the mets off the marlins to get the best possible deal, he should get fired.