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Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain
metirish May 21 2011 11:39 AM |
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Damn
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TransMonk May 21 2011 11:53 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Yeah...that sucks.
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G-Fafif May 21 2011 11:57 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Geez. Here's hoping everything goes all right.
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Fman99 May 21 2011 02:36 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
We're pulling for you, Kid.
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themetfairy May 21 2011 09:21 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Damn!
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The Second Spitter May 22 2011 05:44 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Gut-wrenching news.
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Benjamin Grimm May 22 2011 06:32 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I too am hoping all goes well.
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cooby May 22 2011 06:46 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
oh no!
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Valadius May 22 2011 01:05 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
If there were ever any plans to retire his number, the Mets should do so soon.
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The Second Spitter May 22 2011 08:36 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Forget that. His illness won't stop the indignation he receives from most Mets fans.
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TheOldMole May 22 2011 09:37 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Not from me. I always loved the Kid.
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Edgy MD May 23 2011 07:01 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I don't know who most Met fans are. I think most folks like him. Those who hate him are more likely folks predisposed to hating a lot of things. More generally, I think folks are have a broad enough perspective to know what he is and what he isn't, and put those things in the proper boxes.
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Benjamin Grimm May 23 2011 07:11 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I may roll my eyes at him sometimes, and I don't want him to manage the Mets, but I'll always have good feelings about Gary Carter. 1985 and 1986 were awesome, and Gary Carter was a big part of that awesomeness.
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metirish May 23 2011 07:14 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I'm sure I've called Carter a self serving arsehole here on this forum in the past but that hardly means I'm not rooting for the guy.
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Edgy MD May 23 2011 07:21 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Any word on how this surgery came out?
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batmagadanleadoff May 23 2011 08:51 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Since the terrible news about Carter broke, I haven't read or heard anyone say something about Carter that was in bad taste.
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TransMonk May 23 2011 09:01 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Directly from the press release issued by the Mets on Saturday. No surgery yet.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 23 2011 09:08 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Less "bad," more "questionable".
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The Second Spitter May 23 2011 10:52 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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For starters, "fans" who concoct bullshit stories about him and post them on Internet message boards. For seconds, "fans" who read Jeff Pearlman's twisted bullshit and take it at face value. (You may also want to check out what's written on Bonilla's Umdb page) Carter is a way too easy target. Mets fans talk about him with a level of vitriol usually reserved for someone like Slappy and I'm not even sure Slappy deserves it.
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Edgy MD May 23 2011 11:00 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I agree he catches a lot of shit. I've given him some myself. I don't think that adds up to most Met fans treating him indignantly. Those that do, I imagine, are just indignant folks.
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TheOldMole May 24 2011 11:29 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Remember when they traded for Carter? I was sorry to see Hubie go, but I said "The Mets just won the World Series."
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dgwphotography May 24 2011 10:14 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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I always remember Kid playing basically wrapped up like a mummy and being incredibly clutch during the '85 stretch run. Maybe he can be entirely too self-serving, but give me 25 guys with his drive and ability to play with pain, and I'll take my chances. Every. single. day.
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metirish May 27 2011 04:35 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Not good news
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Edgy MD May 27 2011 05:40 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Bad news. But that exclamation point at the end made the smile. His daughter is clearly cut from the Carter cloth.
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Met Hunter May 27 2011 05:45 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Three things I remember about Carter.
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Ashie62 May 27 2011 07:43 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Big 1986 HR against the Sawx, get well kid!
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soupcan May 27 2011 07:46 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Opening Day 1985.
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Methead May 27 2011 11:31 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I remember how psyched I was as one of those homers nestled into the netting atop the green monster...
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Edgy MD May 28 2011 11:44 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Actual conversation with my father after the Mets fell behind two games to none in 1986.
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G-Fafif May 28 2011 01:08 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Dad: Son, this calling you by your future screen name feels a bit creepy.
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The Second Spitter May 29 2011 02:31 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Brain cancer picked a fight with the wrong warrior !!!!!
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G-Fafif May 29 2011 05:04 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Nice DiamondVision "our thoughts are with you" message to Gary Saturday night. And definitely noticed in an uptick in CARTER 8's in the stands.
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metirish May 29 2011 06:38 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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The news gets worse by the day it seems
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Benjamin Grimm May 29 2011 06:42 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Geez. I saw a report the other day that suggested it was very treatable, and that chemo would likely take care of it.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 29 2011 06:58 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
terrible news. yuk.
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metirish May 31 2011 08:36 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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NYT
you see those names and you go damn, not good outcomes....his doctor says average survival rate for patients after surgery, radiation and chemotherapy is 14 ½ months. the whole article is here http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/sport ... &seid=auto
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Fman99 May 31 2011 08:37 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
That sucks.
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seawolf17 May 31 2011 08:38 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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That. I don't know what else there is to say.
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Valadius May 31 2011 08:48 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
It brings to mind Ted Kennedy. Again, if there were ever any plans to retire #8, you'd better do it now.
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Edgy MD May 31 2011 08:54 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Well, he's 22 years younger and presumably in far superior condition otherwise, so all other things being equal, I'd bet on the Kid.
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metirish Jun 01 2011 06:18 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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it brings to mind Bobby Murcer and Tug McGraw, Murcer was diagnosed on Christmas Eve, 2006 and died July 2008.Tug was diagnosed in March 2003 and dead by Jan. 2004. Not trying to be doom and gloom here but it's as serious as it gets for Kid. If you retire his # now it looks like you are doing it because he's not expected to be around? , how would it look , know what I mean?
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HahnSolo Jun 01 2011 07:03 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I wish health to Gary and peace to his family.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2011 07:15 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I agree. I don't think there are any additional numbers that ought to be retired, but if they were to retire a number, it should be 17.
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Edgy MD Jun 01 2011 07:30 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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At the risk of being insensiitve, Carter might not mind such a scenario. An historical marker, a valedictory appearance, a chance to say goodbye. He wouldn't count it as surrender, either. Micheal Landon was on Johnny Carson as his scenario was looking bleaker. He laughed and joked and frankly looked like a million bucks. He took the time to plug his new show and told CBS that they're gonna be sorry if he beats the cancer, because the show's gonna be a hit and he's gonna squeezed them for every penny. He was gone like a week later. I guess my point is that you can say goodbye while maintainig that it's not necessarily goodbye.
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bmfc1 Jun 01 2011 07:51 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
The "pro" argument is that he was big part of the Mets '86 WS team and he has been deemed worthy of admission to Cooperstown.
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metsguyinmichigan Jun 01 2011 07:53 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I don't have a problem retiring his number -- Greg can print more shirts! -- and I think it would be nice to have some kind of Gary Carter Day.
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soupcan Jun 01 2011 07:54 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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If they decide to retire 8, they could do a couple of things - They could present the situation to Carter and let him decide whether he would like them to retire his number now. If he gave them the go-ahead then it's not insensitive. To get around the '17 or 8' question, they could retire both numbers together in the same ceremony. I suppose Mex might feel slighted at having to share the ceremony but then again, maybe not.
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themetfairy Jun 01 2011 08:09 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I don't think the Mets are retiring any more numbers until Mike Piazza enters the Hall of Fame with NY on his plaque cap.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2011 12:00 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Part of the reason the Mets have skimped on retiring numbers is evident in the records books: they haven't produced-- or held, at least during their prime, and for several years-- that many capital-G great players.
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Met Hunter Jun 01 2011 01:51 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Didn't they have a Gary Carter Day back in 2003 after he made the Hall?
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Edgy MD Jun 01 2011 01:57 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Good thinking.
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G-Fafif Jun 01 2011 02:00 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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They did. It was incredibly lame, but they did. I second your emotion on gathering the champions this summer and making Gary the focal point as they did with Tug eight years ago. The Mets have have wormed away from doing an OTD for the 25th anniversary (cost, mostly) but this seems like a good impetus to get the band back together. Hell, half of them work for the organization anyway.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2011 03:24 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Here's an idea (that isn't likely to come to pass):
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Frayed Knot Jun 01 2011 03:32 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
The Nats barely acknowledge the existence of the Expos.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2011 03:44 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Acknowledged. My idea isn't a realistic one.
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Edgy MD Jun 01 2011 07:25 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I don't think it's that farfetched. The Nats could certainly awaken to reconsidering theiir Expo legacy.
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metirish Jun 01 2011 07:32 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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is it true that there is nothing in the Nats stadium to indicate an Expos past?
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Edgy MD Jun 01 2011 07:41 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I'd hesitate to say nothing. I seem to remember Tim Raines being acknowledged somewhere.
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Frayed Knot Jun 01 2011 07:48 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I've seen virtually nothing in the stadium and the only occasional mentions of the Montreal roots that come during telecasts are from trivia contests that have to go back longer than five years because there's not enough material otherwise.
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The Second Spitter Jun 01 2011 08:08 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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They finally relented and put all retired Expos numbers on display last year .......next to the Senators numbers and numbers commemorating certain Homestead Grays players. The tenuous connection with DC baseball of the latter supports the view the organization is clueless about its priorities.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2011 08:09 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Gary Carter and Andre Dawson were honored in the Nationals' ring of fame, which commemorates Expos, Washington DC greats (e.g., Walter Johnson, Harmon Killebrew, and Negro League Stars.
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The Second Spitter Jun 01 2011 09:01 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Yeah what I meant. Next year they're erecting a statue of Sir Cheswick Farnacle-Sweetshanks the founding president of the Washingtion Olympics, in left-centre field.
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Edgy MD Jun 01 2011 09:50 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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That's what I was referring to. They're not retired, but they are displayed. They honored him by displaying an ugly-assed Nats' jersey? Ugh. No wonder I forgot.
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Edgy MD Jun 18 2011 01:45 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Crazy thought, but now that the Mets are home, how about we start an internet pass-it-on campaign? We pick an inning in a hgh-profile game and start a GA-RY CAR-TER chant. When the chanting has caught on, folks can unfurl their get-well banners and make it an unofficial Gary Carter Appreciation Day.
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G-Fafif Jun 18 2011 02:34 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Every game I've been to thus far since the news (several), the Mets play a tribute on the video board to Carter. Always gets a big response. Twice I've heard such a chant go up and remain sustained shortly thereafter.
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G-Fafif Jun 18 2011 03:08 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Meanwhile, more good news.
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Edgy MD Jun 18 2011 07:54 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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That's my people.
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Edgy MD Jun 28 2011 09:20 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Signing Carter's get-well card:
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G-Fafif Jun 28 2011 01:17 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Gary's real-life Rudy efforts continue.
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G-Fafif Jul 03 2011 11:47 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Latest update from daughter Kimmy, via ESPN NY.
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Edgy MD Jul 04 2011 07:45 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Gary Carter on anti-depressants. I've got to chew that one around.
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Ashie62 Jul 04 2011 08:58 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Very common for those with life ending illnesses..
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Rockin' Doc Jul 04 2011 09:29 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Hang in there Kid. I'm praying for you an d your family.
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PiggiesTomatoes Jul 04 2011 09:17 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
The video tribute I saw at Saturday's game was very moving. It's just a sad situation. I am appreciative of the family's openness.
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G-Fafif Jul 12 2011 03:17 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Doin' better, says the family.
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G-Fafif Jul 17 2011 01:07 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Kid not gonna be able to attend HOF induction ceremonies this year. Here's hoping he's upstate next summer.
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G-Fafif Jul 19 2011 12:05 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Some progress, per ESPN NY.
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G-Fafif Jul 24 2011 09:51 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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More progress for the Hall of Famer who couldn't make it to Cooperstown this weekend.
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G-Fafif Aug 02 2011 02:41 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Encouraging news:
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Edgy MD Aug 02 2011 09:36 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I think Avastin's star is definitely falling for most uses, but is still considered effective for brain cancer.
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Rockin' Doc Aug 03 2011 06:56 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Avastin is definitely big in vision care. It is used extensively by retinal ophthalmologists in the treatment and management wet macular degeneration and neovasculariztion in diabetic retinopathy.
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soupcan Aug 04 2011 08:12 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Praise the Lord!
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G-Fafif Aug 16 2011 01:47 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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A bit of a setback.
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metirish Aug 16 2011 02:24 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Damn you Lord!
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Ashie62 Aug 16 2011 02:29 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
The steroids can be debilitating on their own. Keep him comfortable.
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G-Fafif Aug 24 2011 04:44 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Next round of treatment -- the intense kind -- a go.
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G-Fafif Sep 02 2011 08:16 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Another complication, since addressed.
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Edgy MD Sep 20 2011 08:05 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Kimmy tells all.
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G-Fafif Sep 26 2011 01:51 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Edgy MD Sep 26 2011 06:45 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
That Lindsay Nelson quote at the bottom of your post had a new resonance.
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G-Fafif Sep 28 2011 04:25 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Edgy MD Oct 12 2011 02:58 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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G-Fafif Jan 09 2012 05:29 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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The latest, via Rubin:
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Mets – Willets Point Jan 09 2012 05:47 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
My stomach lurches every time I see this thread bumped to the top.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2012 06:51 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I know what you mean.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2012 06:52 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
It's not as though the news is getting better.
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Ashie62 Jan 09 2012 07:06 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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I think we kinda know how this ends.
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G-Fafif Jan 09 2012 07:31 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Trying to ferret out some upbeat developments. As of last week, he still intends to host the dinner this Sunday at his golf tournament, according to the Palm Beach Post.
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Edgy MD Jan 09 2012 07:55 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Carter getting along with Andre Dawson. That's something.
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G-Fafif Jan 17 2012 07:55 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Kid made it to his golf tournament.
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Valadius Jan 18 2012 09:59 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Retire his number already.
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metirish Jan 18 2012 10:26 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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problem is that it looks like you are retiring it because he is dying.
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Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 10:28 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I'd say retire his number for the Gulf Coast Mets, who he managed to an incredible .698 winning percentage and a GCL championship in 2005. He wouldn't even have to leave Florida for the ceremony.
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metsguyinmichigan Jan 18 2012 02:08 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
They should have retired it already.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2012 02:16 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
They took 8 out of circulation following Carter's Hall of Fame election in 2003. I'm not sure but maybe his behavior in the managing ranks (refusing an job at Bingo while campaining for Willie's job) may have caused delays in honoring him.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 18 2012 02:17 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
That would lower the bar for retired numbers by way too much. He only had two good years with the Mets!
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Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 02:21 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Johnson. El Sid. Franco.
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Nymr83 Jan 18 2012 02:32 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Beltran. I could argue Cone, Matlack, and maybe others too. Carter just wasnt here long enough, imo.
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Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 02:39 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
If you believe Baseball-Reference.com, Tom Glavine has a higher WAR figure as a Met than Carter, 11.3-11.2.
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Ashie62 Jan 18 2012 05:02 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
You can retire #8. Gary and family might like it?
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Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 05:41 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
That's a question?
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Valadius Jan 19 2012 08:07 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
He's a Hall of Famer who distinguished himself with the team and won a championship. The number's been out of circulation for 9 years. I don't understand how you take a number out of circulation and not retire it.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 19 2012 08:47 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Exactly! Put it back in circulation! And 24 too!
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Edgy MD Jan 19 2012 08:58 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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I do.
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Nymr83 Jan 19 2012 03:02 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
You take the number out of circulation so that you can take your time to figure out what you want to do. Because what you DON'T want is to hand the number to (for example) Lastings Milledge and have him turn into a homegrown all-star wearing number 8 and then you're looking to retire it for someone else. I'd open the number up now, or soon, though.
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TransMonk Jan 19 2012 03:11 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Gary Carter MRI reveals new tumors
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Ashie62 Jan 19 2012 03:30 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Not really...its only a friggin number..there are many many others to use.
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Ceetar Jan 19 2012 05:27 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Unlike 15,16,17,18 who they've tossed around willie (who's number they were much less cavalier with) nillie, not issuing 8 is a tribute in it of itself. These numbers should go to the Reyes' and Wrights of the world imo, to bridge old stars with new. There's a way to honor Carter without the extreme. Have Mr. Met wear 8. Could start a process of naming things, concession booths, stairwells, etc. Something that's a little more plentiful and would actually solve their problem of feeling like guys are 'fringe' guys. 8, 17, etc.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 19 2012 06:00 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Is Carter in the Mets Hall of Fame? If not, he should be.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 19 2012 06:24 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
He's there. Been there for a while.
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G-Fafif Jan 19 2012 06:35 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Gary inducted into Mets HOF 8/12/2001. Looked like Kid in a candy store.
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smg58 Jan 19 2012 07:44 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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I had a feeling this was coming, but that doesn't make it less horrible.
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metirish Jan 20 2012 06:03 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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yeah, sad news.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 22 2012 04:17 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Talking Gary Carter on the bladio tonight (8:40ish?): [url]http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nybaseballtalk/2012/01/23/tom-seaver-the-last-icon
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Edgy MD Jan 22 2012 06:16 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Tuning in NOW!!!!
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Edgy MD Jan 22 2012 06:28 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Oooh, he just described Grant and Young as "rightly excoriated."
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Edgy MD Jan 22 2012 06:33 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Really doing a good job in describing Seaver's aloofness from mere mortals.
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Edgy MD Jan 22 2012 06:45 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Hanging in there. Good job so far.
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Ashie62 Jan 22 2012 09:03 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Hojo Grote
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Edgy MD Jan 22 2012 09:12 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
[youtube:e3ma89n5]hIIQULPkWnk[/youtube:e3ma89n5]
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G-Fafif Jan 24 2012 04:17 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Richard Sandomir on Kimmy's diary.
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metirish Jan 24 2012 07:23 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 24 2012 08:04 AM |
I've a lump or something in my throat. I think in many ways reading his daughters postings makes it sadder in some respects to see what Kid is going through a long with his family.
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soupcan Jan 24 2012 08:03 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Not only do I like Sandomir, I love what he writes about.
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Edgy MD Jan 24 2012 09:01 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Jeff Pearlman turns in his cynic card.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 24 2012 09:41 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
eh. I made fun of him when it was cool to, now that he's gonna die in 2 weeks, I can admit that was unfair.
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dgwphotography Jan 25 2012 12:06 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Jerry Izenberg on Gary Carter:
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metirish Jan 25 2012 05:55 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Good for Pearlman if he feels the need to apologize but I don't think he does.
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Edgy MD Jan 25 2012 06:04 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I think maybe he does. Not for Carter, but for himself.
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G-Fafif Jan 25 2012 06:28 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Great quote from a great writer about a great player from a great book about The Greatest Game Ever Played.
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G-Fafif Jan 25 2012 06:35 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I don't remember thinking Pearlman was unfair to Carter in the book. What made that such a compelling team was the contrast in personalities. Gary and Mookie were the sunnier or straighter side of a bunch of alleged (or actual) reprobates. I just took another look at the first part of Chapter 6 and none of it puts Carter in a bad light. Just different from his teammates as portrayed by the author.
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Centerfield Jan 25 2012 07:49 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I made fun of Gary Carter too. But, let's face it, he gave the world plenty of material. From the Hall of Fame party he threw for himself, to the unabashed campaigning for Jerry Manuel's job, it was hard not to make fun of the guy.
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G-Fafif Jan 25 2012 07:53 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Hardly the point of any of this, but...
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2012 08:05 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Geez. Guy makes me wanna kill people sometimes.
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Edgy MD Jan 25 2012 08:40 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Certainly, and the soap commercial I posted above is a great example. I think a more grown up and self-aware Pearlman maybe realizes it was too easy to title a chapter "Gary Carter Is a Geek." Just give the facts and let it roll out as it will. We're mostly all more nuanced than that. It is, after all, Carter's own lack of self-awareness that has made him such an easy target, and a small tragedy among the greater tragedies that were the downfalls of so many of his teammates. So I'll give Pearlman a manly heteronormative hug for wanting to shed some smug and grow some self-awareness himself. (As the Cosell fabrication above shows, he certainly could have used some back then.) It doesn't change the facts about Carter, only the perspective of those facts. It doesn't have to be about Gary vs. Jeff and I think Jeff realizes it. Reading The Last Icon, you realize the same thing sort of happened with Tom Seaver. He was a decent, honorable sort, which his teammates initially could respect even if they were sometimes a little less decent and less honorable. It was when he realized and exploited the marketability of that image that they saw it as a little less honorable and a little more worthy of eye-rolling. It didn't make him a phony asshole --- like, say, Steve Garvey --- just maybe a little bit of a tool. But the Crowmarties and the Swobodas who resent it usually come back decades later saying something like, "You know, I was more than a little bit of a tool, myself."
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dgwphotography Jan 31 2012 03:55 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I don't know if something is, imminent, or if this is just preparation, but I was just told that ESPN just put Kid's obituary into rotation.
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metirish Jan 31 2012 04:06 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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damn
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G-Fafif Jan 31 2012 04:11 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Kid has a game Thursday night.
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Edgy MD Jan 31 2012 05:18 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Edgy MD Feb 02 2012 08:50 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Opening day grand slam.
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G-Fafif Feb 03 2012 07:45 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Gosh darn, that's the stuff.
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metirish Feb 03 2012 08:02 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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wow, great story, way to go Kid. the pictures of him are unrecognizable , cancer is a bastard.
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Edgy MD Feb 03 2012 08:06 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Yeah, I thought maybe I should give folks fair warning on that. In his case, I imagine it's the cure as much as the disease, and he's roided to the gills.
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Edgy MD Feb 03 2012 08:30 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
And, somehow, his team pulled off the walkoff victory.
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themetfairy Feb 03 2012 08:41 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
He's probably on steroids as part of his treatment, which can cause pretty horrible physical changes.
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metsguyinmichigan Feb 03 2012 01:43 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I didn't recognize him either. That's a heart-breaking story.
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Ashie62 Feb 03 2012 07:35 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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A common cancer addon a dexamethasone. 10x stronger than prednisone
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attgig Feb 16 2012 03:15 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
RIP Gary Carter
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 16 2012 03:18 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Dammit.
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SteveJRogers Feb 16 2012 03:21 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 08:33 AM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Mets at batting practice. And, well, this is what I'm talking about. Or what I should be talking about. Good show, Mets.
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The Second Spitter Apr 05 2012 02:07 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
So I guess the unveiling of the sign in LF means 8 won't be retired.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:14 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Yeah, let's Fuck Up Fort Worth!
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Mets – Willets Point Apr 05 2012 02:18 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Tornadoes got that covered a couple of days ago.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:23 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Um, yeah, let's Fuck Up Funky Winkerbean! Yeah!
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Valadius Apr 05 2012 02:33 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Very appropriate, but they still should retire his number already.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2012 02:38 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Maybe after Jerry Koosman and Jerry Grote get their numbers retired.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:42 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
And that is, and always shall be, the problem. Howard Johnson had twice the Mets career that Carter had. You want to advocate for his number retirement, that's fine, but there are plenty of issues involved. Let's not take a solemn occasion to bring the fuck-you hammer down on the other side.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2012 02:51 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I didn't realize that I was wielding a fuck you hammer. So let me apologize before this degenerates into another monthly and nasty personal attack against me on account of me expressing an unpopular but eminently logical opinion. Funny thing, because I thought that it was the posters I was responding to that were swinging fuck you hammers. What? They don't want the Mets to retire 36? Why not? And why shouldn't I be offended by that? After Carter, I guess the Mets should retire Dennis Bennett's number too.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:54 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
I wasn't speaking of your hammer at all. You wielded no such tool in your post. Maybe a Jerry sieve, but that's it.
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Mets – Willets Point Apr 05 2012 02:54 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Uh, it was Second Spitter who said FU to Fred Wilpon. Edgy was addressing him.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2012 03:00 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
You don't think I knew that?
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Mets – Willets Point Apr 05 2012 03:03 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Just trying to play peacemaker. It's my natural inclination.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2012 03:08 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
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Actually, I didn't. I grossly misinterpreted that exchange. How embarraskin. But I'm leaving my post up there as a preemptive strike should anyone now really accuse me of swinging the FU hammer.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2012 03:11 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
This is why I usually quote the post I'm responding to. It often clarifies the exchange. I remember a discussion here a few weeks ago where someone, under some circumstances, was against quoting the post being responded to. I disagreed, buy stayed out of that discussion.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 08:09 PM Re: Gary Carter diagnosed with small tumors on his brain |
Well, I'm sorry if I was being unclear.
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