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Weekend Post-Mortem

Frayed Knot May 22 2011 07:17 PM

Stayed w/Pelfrey too long; Misch instead of O'Connor, bad luck 7th inning on Sunday; yadda, yadda, yadda, .... Bottom line is we didn't hit enough to win the series and were probably lucky not to get swept. As forewarned in the Good-news/Bad-news thread, scoring just a couple runs per game might work with the Natl's but not with those fucks from the Bronx even while missing Sabathia. Game 1 -- A 2-1 squeaker despite facing Freddie Freakin' Garcia on the mound. Fortunately Dickey was back on track and backed with a great pen for 3 IPs or we'd be looking at a sweep here. Game 2 -- Had Burnett on the ropes early and let him partially off. Loaded the bases with no outs in the 1st but the Turner 2-out/RBI was the last hit until two singles in the 5th gave us our last run. Burnett's exactly the type of guy who'll fall apart if you jump on him early. Game 3 -- Bunch of hits but almost all were singles, most of them weren't bunched well enough to produce runs, plus we threw in two GiDPs for good measure. Gotta take better advantage of the Ivan Novae of the world. Now obviously missing the #2, #3, and #5 hitters is a big factor. Even though the scores of games 2 & 3 don't show it, a couple of key hits here or there and those could be completely different games. But relying on the redhead for timely hits every night is only going to get them in trouble.

Ceetar May 22 2011 07:52 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

In the end we lost to what's probably a better team, and healthier one, on the road. While the scores looked it at the end, all three games were close and could've gone either way if you flipflop a hit or a pitch here and there. They're still keeping themselves in games for the most part, are 3-3 since [crossout:2vfg4k2u]I had a eggplant parm at the game on Monda[/crossout:2vfg4k2u]y David Wright went on the DL. Stay on track and beat the Cubs and let's see what we can do against the Phillies at home.

metirish May 22 2011 08:07 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

Neither of these teams are going to win the WS, one expects to though and are delusional. All things considered I thought the Mets did fine coming in here , the series went like they typically do. MFY fans should be worried though as that team is very flawed and the heart of that team will be there for a while yet.

Ceetar May 22 2011 08:10 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

metirish wrote: Neither of these teams are going to win the WS, one expects to though and are delusional. All things considered I thought the Mets did fine coming in here , the series went like they typically do. MFY fans should be worried though as that team is very flawed and the heart of that team will be there for a while yet. Presumably Yankee fans will mistake that dribbler up the middle that simply found holes as some sort of confirmation that he doesn't in fact suck anymore. Watching him play shortstop was kind of laughable.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 23 2011 05:08 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

I don't think the point is to look at either team's chances for the World Series but how they did against one another. Turner's GIDP was the real killer yesterday, as was Bay's failure to get Beltran in from 2nd just before it went bad. A complete failure in the "role" of cleanup hitter.

Ashie62 May 23 2011 05:43 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

It was the norm. Mets lose 2 of 3 at the MFY's.

metirish May 23 2011 06:44 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't think the point is to look at either team's chances for the World Series but how they did against one another. . True , in that regard it went like they always do it seems for the Mets , win one , could have should have won two, when you compare both starting teams I thought the Mets did good, especially with Bay being zero threat at the plate and really the bullpen wasn't going to hold up and carry this team for long.

Edgy DC May 23 2011 07:20 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

I'm still trying to sort out the pen situation. Terry seems intent on using everybody in game situations. I guess that's OK. I wish he dipped two batters earlier. I still think it all happened so strangely: Jeter's grounder possing through Pelfrey like a ghost. A-Rod's topper dying on the turf. Miserable. Depending on the Bisonian likes of Harris, Pridie, Turner, Fartinez, and such, we knew we were up against it. At least we got a good start out of Dickey and almost one out of Pelfrey. Trust the process and pass the gin. Bay is a generous target, but he actually strode a little forward this weekend. Reyes had a really nice game in game two, but looked bad in games one and three. He looks like he's really trying to step up and carry the team. I saw some cool thing when he got walked and Turner got the big blow with a double. After Reyes scored he turned around and pointed to Turner as if to say, "That's what you do when somebody insults you by walking the guy in front of you to pitch to you." Maybe he's looking to take the leadership reins of this team. They're available.

HahnSolo May 23 2011 08:33 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

I'll argue against the first game for Reyes "looking bad", because I think they lose without his diving play on ARod.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 23 2011 09:05 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

HahnSolo wrote: I'll argue against the first game for Reyes "looking bad", because I think they lose without his diving play on ARod. Not to mention 3-4 others that night that didn't make the highlights. He swung for the fences in the first game (and still stung 1-2 balls, only right at fielders), had/executed a good plan against Burnett on Saturday, and seemed a little screwed-up at the plate yesterday and yesterday only.

Ceetar May 23 2011 09:07 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I'll argue against the first game for Reyes "looking bad", because I think they lose without his diving play on ARod. Not to mention 3-4 others that night that didn't make the highlights. He swung for the fences in the first game (and still stung 1-2 balls, only right at fielders), had/executed a good plan against Burnett on Saturday, and seemed a little screwed-up at the plate yesterday and yesterday only. yeah, some of them were hit well. He puts the ball in play a lot, sometimes it'll be at guys. In fact, (I don't know if it's changed in the last couple of days but) he's one of the hardest guys in the league to strike out.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 23 2011 09:17 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

Ceetar wrote: yeah, some of them were hit well. He puts the ball in play a lot, sometimes it'll be at guys. In fact, (I don't know if it's changed in the last couple of days but) he's one of the hardest guys in the league to strike out. Oh, yeah. 8th in the majors and 4th in the NL among BA-title qualifiers so far this year. (Just above him? Troy Tulowitzki... who also has, by far, the highest ISOp among the top 50 lowest-K-raters. Yeah, Tulo's pretty decent.)

Edgy DC May 23 2011 12:32 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

Yeah. you're right. I'm not giving him enough credit for fine non-box-score work in game one.

TheOldMole May 23 2011 01:29 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

It was just a three-game series. We're shorthanded. We took a game. We're still going to take the wild card and go all the way.

attgig May 23 2011 01:37 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

playing in bronx made citifield look that much bigger. some o those homeruns off of yankee bats were just barely in the stands. BARELY. I don't think they even make the warning track in citi field... (ok, maybe they do, but seriously looks tiny). honestly, it's ridiculous how small that park is, and makes me feel bad for all non-pitchers on the mets roster.

Ashie62 May 23 2011 01:59 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

attgig wrote: playing in bronx made citifield look that much bigger. some o those homeruns off of yankee bats were just barely in the stands. BARELY. I don't think they even make the warning track in citi field... (ok, maybe they do, but seriously looks tiny). honestly, it's ridiculous how small that park is, and makes me feel bad for all non-pitchers on the mets roster. So was Daniel Murphy's homerun to be fair..

attgig May 23 2011 02:12 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

that one was right down the line, and at least 5+ rows deep. of course, it's a weak hr, but down the line in a lot of parks is a hr - perhaps even in citifield. but take saturday for example, granderson's was similarly down the line, but maybe 2 rows deep - definitely questionable anywhere else. and then arod's home run was right at the wall to left - he didn't even know it was a home run at first. (tex's homerun would die in the mo zone, but - that's just shitti field for you...).

Ceetar May 23 2011 02:17 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

attgig wrote: that one was right down the line, and at least 5+ rows deep. of course, it's a weak hr, but down the line in a lot of parks is a hr - perhaps even in citifield. but take saturday for example, granderson's was similarly down the line, but maybe 2 rows deep - definitely questionable anywhere else. and then arod's home run was right at the wall to left - he didn't even know it was a home run at first. (tex's homerun would die in the mo zone, but - that's just shitti field for you...). It's not just distance, there's supposedly that air stream going out in the gaps to right especially. the 330 foot home run that wouldn't be out anywhere else is also probably only 310 elsewhere.

Frayed Knot May 23 2011 03:05 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

attgig wrote: that one was right down the line, and at least 5+ rows deep. of course, it's a weak hr, but down the line in a lot of parks is a hr - perhaps even in citifield. but take saturday for example, granderson's was similarly down the line, but maybe 2 rows deep - definitely questionable anywhere else. and then arod's home run was right at the wall to left - he didn't even know it was a home run at first. (tex's homerun would die in the mo zone, but - that's just shitti field for you...). Teixeira's ball would have died in most little league fields - don't have to invoke the Mo Zone for that. The 'air-stream' theory to RF in that park is mostly speculative, it started as a way to explain the real high number of HRs hit there in the opening months in year one of that place. The more logical answer - as alluded to by both Gary in one of the telecasts this weekend and also by Chip Hale in whichever game where they had him miked (Friday it must have been) - is that while the markings down the RF line and also in CF are the same as in the old place (and by old we mean the newly remodeled old one) the wall cuts across more directly and with less curve through RCF so at least some of the wall between the markings is closer than it was in the supposedly exact dimensions of YSII. Hale was even making references to the specific advertising sign where the new wall was pulled in and did so right before Teixeira hit his HR just one ad over. ARod's HR was a different story. It might have just made it over the fence but did so on a line and that's a legit poke to that part of the field.

Ceetar May 23 2011 05:24 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

yeah, I don't know how you judge air streams. I mean,beyond the obvious ones. If you hit the ball two high in Citi Field in April, oh my the swirls! Oddly it sorta resembles what people describe Candlestick as. There's an homage to the Giants in a roundabout way? It does seem the ball carries a little to the left and right of the bleacher sections where it's a little more open, but who knows. I remember someone blaming the old stadium still being up for part of it, although i'm not sure how.

Frayed Knot May 23 2011 08:12 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

Yeah, there was a theory that the wind coming off the old place created a current that swept down and then out towards RF in the new. Supposedly there was going to be some difference once the old building was taken down but since the original theory was never proven in the first place it was tough to show whether or not it went away.

Edgy DC May 23 2011 10:44 PM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

The death of George Steinbrenner has certainly subtracted from the wind current at the stadium. OOOOOhhhh Yeahhhhh!

Ceetar May 24 2011 06:41 AM Re: Weekend Post-Mortem

Edgy DC wrote: The death of George Steinbrenner has certainly subtracted from the wind current at the stadium. OOOOOhhhh Yeahhhhh! Why do you think they built a giant statue and have a giant billboard of him? That place really is a mausoleum.