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IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Frayed Knot Jun 15 2011 06:57 AM

The undefeated and still champion Dillon Gee takes his now 3rd place Mets up against Tim Hudson in yet another attempt for .500 status.

Ceetar Jun 15 2011 07:03 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Frayed Knot wrote: The undefeated and still champion Dillon Gee takes his now 3rd place Mets up against Tim Hudson in yet another attempt for .500 status. I believe we're 3-2 in .500 attempts right?

Gwreck Jun 15 2011 08:03 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Theoretically, although that includes game #2 of the year (pulling the team to 1-1) and game #8 (to make the Mets 4-4). In more recent attempts, they hit .500 after defeating the Yankees on May 22; attempts to reach .500 on both Saturday and Monday didn't work.

G-Fafif Jun 15 2011 12:55 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Bay is back! Reyes-SS Tejada-2B Beltran-RF Murphy-3B Pagan-CF Bay-LF Duda-1B Thole-C Gee-RHP

Gwreck Jun 15 2011 01:39 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Braves Jordan Schafer CF Dan Uggla 2B Brian McCann C Chipper Jones 3B Eric Hinske 1B Alex Gonzalez SS Jason Heyward RF Joe Mather LF Tim Hudson P

Ceetar Jun 15 2011 01:48 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Gwreck wrote: Braves Jordan Schafer CF Dan Uggla 2B Brian McCann C Chipper Jones 3B Eric Hinske 1B Alex Gonzalez SS Jason Heyward RF -sure you didn't need another two days of rehab? Joe Mather LF Tim Hudson P

Benjamin Grimm Jun 15 2011 01:52 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

And today, I should mention, is "Good-bye Tom, Hello Keith" Day.

G-Fafif Jun 15 2011 02:00 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

And "Hello Donn" day (or dayy).

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 02:28 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And today, I should mention, is "Good-bye Tom, Hello Keith" Day. Hows' that?

Frayed Knot Jun 15 2011 02:47 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Ashie62 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: And today, I should mention, is "Good-bye Tom, Hello Keith" Day. Hows' that? June 15th - the old trading deadline date which resulted twice upon a time in the aforementioned "Good-bye Tom" and "Hello Keith" stuff.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 03:52 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Oh yeah..

TransMonk Jun 15 2011 05:08 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Delayed due to rain. Looking at the weather in Atlanta...I'm not so sure about this one.

duan Jun 15 2011 05:31 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

any update on the weather - i can stay awake for a while working or not.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 05:51 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

No estimate as yet, although at last Gary report, the teams were "committed" to getting this one in. Meanwhile,as per LobbyMan, it's hailing.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 06:06 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

First pitch in about 25 minutes.

metirish Jun 15 2011 06:11 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Love the year book programs , great weather delay stuff, I notice that whenever they go to someone in the crowd they are always very optimistic about the Mets chances , bunches of optimistic Mets fans everywhere.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 06:14 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

metirish wrote: Love the year book programs , great weather delay stuff, I notice that whenever they go to someone in the crowd they are always very optimistic about the Mets chances , bunches of optimistic Mets fans everywhere. I like em also, but this one was on last week. But then again there are only so many. How about Cinemax like soft core Porn, or the XXX stuff is fine also.

metirish Jun 15 2011 06:17 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

How about the doll sitting on yer mans lap front and center?, it's like the Mets were super cool and happening in 1980.

TransMonk Jun 15 2011 06:34 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Reyes is good.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 06:35 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

For fuck's sake, I'm starting to take Jose-at-third-nobody-out for granted.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 06:37 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

1-0 Mets.

metirish Jun 15 2011 06:39 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

It's almost , no , it's nearly , damn it, it's a fucking privilege to watch him.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 06:47 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

metirish wrote: It's almost , no , it's nearly , damn it, it's a fucking privilege to watch him. No! Thats that Jeter fellow you are referring too..

metirish Jun 15 2011 06:49 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

No no , with Jeter it's "Biblical".

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 06:54 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Duda half-swings his way to a strikeout, rung up on a questionable third strike when the third-base ump says he went around. Take a guess where Phil Cuzzi is tonight.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 06:59 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Good one...Ya know if the Mets hold on they are at .500!

Lefty Specialist Jun 15 2011 07:01 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Well, there goes the no-hitter. Again.

TransMonk Jun 15 2011 07:05 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

I like this Gee kid more and more every time I see him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 15 2011 07:30 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Hey, a home run.

soupcan Jun 15 2011 07:30 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

kaboom...?

TransMonk Jun 15 2011 07:31 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

metirish Jun 15 2011 07:34 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Gary "If anyone knows how to pitch in bad weather it's Mr. Gee"

Fman99 Jun 15 2011 07:37 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Quit dicking around, fucko, get back in the box. Let's get these innings in and make this official please.

Fman99 Jun 15 2011 07:40 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Aw, crap. Rain delay.

TransMonk Jun 15 2011 07:41 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

I hope we don't get fucked out of 4 good innings there.

Fman99 Jun 15 2011 07:44 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

I can't watch these Mets yearbooks without thinking that most of the people being interviewed are dead now. How macabre, I know.

metirish Jun 15 2011 07:44 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Gee won't be back by the looks of that rain, that sucks for him but lets get the win.

Ceetar Jun 15 2011 07:56 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

I kinda miss the "view active topics" link.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 15 2011 08:40 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Resuming at 10:50

Fman99 Jun 15 2011 08:49 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Game on! Carrasco in for Gee, Christian Martinez for Hudson. I'm still in but I'm fading fast.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 08:54 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Fman99 wrote: Game on! Carrasco in for Gee, Christian Martinez for Hudson. I'm still in but I'm fading fast. Hang in there Hunterpants!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 08:56 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Rain forecasted again within an hour. Which might be for the best, considering the movement on Martinez' stuff in that last inning.

Frayed Knot Jun 15 2011 09:02 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

NOW we're official so it can be a Rainy Night in Georgia all it wants.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 09:25 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Bases loaded after two nice at-bats to work walks from Duda and Thole. Harris on to PH. Come on, insure-runs!

Gwreck Jun 15 2011 09:36 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Well, we got one additional run at least.

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 15 2011 09:40 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Couple of nice plays by Hinske. Let's see some outs from Parnell.

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 09:40 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Bobby Parfait is throwing nicely.

MFS62 Jun 15 2011 09:47 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Parnell is so happy that he has feeling back in his finger that he just gave the Braves one - 3 Ks. EDIT: Make that 5 Ks in 2 IP. Later

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 10:01 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

That was quite the non-slide by Pagan..

themetfairy Jun 15 2011 10:10 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

K-Rod comes into a non-save situation and gets two quick outs in the 9th.

themetfairy Jun 15 2011 10:10 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

And a K for the third - Books!

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 10:10 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

BOOKS!

Ashie62 Jun 15 2011 10:11 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Even Steven, baby!

themetfairy Jun 15 2011 10:12 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Why was the win awarded to Parnell over Carrasco?

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 15 2011 10:12 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Happy recap.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 15 2011 10:17 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

themetfairy wrote: Why was the win awarded to Parnell over Carrasco? Scorer whim, pretty much. (Perhaps the five Ks had something to do with it.)

Edgy DC Jun 15 2011 11:17 PM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Chicks dig the two-hit shutout. This chick does, anyhow. Three-point-five out of second and three-point-five out of the wildcard. Still a half game behind the Bucs, in sixth WC place.

bmfc1 Jun 16 2011 05:37 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

So when the SP doesn't pitch at least 5 complete innings, the official scorer can decide who gets the win but cannot select the SP. "Change the rule!" (says Warner Wolf). If the SP doesn't pitch at least 5 complete innings but would have gotten the win if he did, then official scorer can select any of the pitchers, including the SP, to be credited with the win.

Ceetar Jun 16 2011 06:15 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

bmfc1 wrote: So when the SP doesn't pitch at least 5 complete innings, the official scorer can decide who gets the win but cannot select the SP. "Change the rule!" (says Warner Wolf). If the SP doesn't pitch at least 5 complete innings but would have gotten the win if he did, then official scorer can select any of the pitchers, including the SP, to be credited with the win. I'd consider changing it if there has been an official rain delay. After all, it wasn't really due to failure of ability or anything that caused him to come out.

bmfc1 Jun 16 2011 06:17 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

I concur, Ceetar. Let's draw up the papers and make this happen. (I had that caveat in there but it got too wordy for a non-legal document.)

Ceetar Jun 16 2011 06:23 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

bmfc1 wrote: I concur, Ceetar. Let's draw up the papers and make this happen. (I had that caveat in there but it got too wordy for a non-legal document.) Someone get Bud on the phone.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2011 07:01 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Yeah, the idea that you can't give the W to a starter who doesn't go 5 is in there so as to prevent 'manufactured' wins, one where say a team scores a bunch of runs early allowing the manager to either pull his starter early or even change his starter last minute so as to direct the W to him. Manufactured saves we allow, manufactured wins not so much. But last night was clearly a different set of circumstances and in situations where the scorer's opinion enters into it the starter should be one of his options. It would be one thing if it were 2 IPs by Gee, but 4 is something else. It's also odd that the scorer treated Carrasco's 6-outs/no-hits/1-K as less worthy than Parnell's 6-outs/1-hit/5-Ks. You usually see the W given to the next pitcher after the starter unless his outing is both brief and ineffective - and especially when he's the guy pitching when the game does become official.

MFS62 Jun 16 2011 07:53 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

The scoring rules say that should the starter not go 5, the official scorer can award the win to any of the subsequent pitchers. It is usually awarded to the next pitcher. But it can be denied and awarded to another pitcher, should he pitch "briefly and ineffectively". Carrasco did neither. That "briefly and ineffectively" puzzled me, too. I wrote to MLB and presented them with this scenario. A starter has a 3-0 lead going into the top of the ninth with two out. A walk, hit and error load the bases. The manager brings in a releiver, who gives up a bases clearing triple. The hitter is tagged out oversliding third. The first batter up in the bottom of the ninth hits a game winning homer. By current rule, the win must be awarded to the releiver, because he was in the game when the winning run was scored. But, using the rule I cited above, he certainly pitched "briefly and ineffectively" Why can't the official scorer award the victory to the starter. The letter I got back was an unsatisfactory "that is the way the rule is written. The releiver gets the win", and not "Good idea, we'll take that into consideration at the next rules meeting". Fucktards. Later

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2011 08:03 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

I have seen the "briefly and ineffectively" clause come into play, but always when, like last night, there are several candidates are involved. - Say the starter is handed a big lead but struggles and can't get out of the 5th. Reliever #1 comes in w/2-outs in the 5th still with the lead and immediately gives it up: several hits, several runs (inherited and otherwise) before finally getting the last out. - Team's offense then gains back the lead in bottom 5 and holds it for the rest of the game. Reliever #1 is officially the "pitcher of record" even though he sucked while Reliever #2 maybe cruised through innings 6, 7 & 8 hitless before giving way to Reliever #3 for the save. In this case the official scorer could opt to cite the "brief and ineffective" clause and award the win to Reliever #2 The problem with your scenario is that the starter is still responsible for all those runners on base and that there's no one else to hand to win to.

MFS62 Jun 16 2011 08:06 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

Frayed Knot wrote: The problem with your scenario is that the starter is still responsible for all those runners on base and that there's no one else to hand to win to. That's why I asked if the rule might be changed so that the scorer could award the win to the starter. Later

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2011 08:14 AM Re: IGT 6/15 - Mets v Braves

MFS62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: The problem with your scenario is that the starter is still responsible for all those runners on base and that there's no one else to hand to win to. That's why I asked if the rule might be changed so that the scorer could award the win to the starter. Yeah, the reliever faced just one batter and gave up a big hit, but saddling him with the three runs he had nothing to do with being there is more unfair IMO than denying the pitcher the win. If the pitcher wants the win he shouldn't have put on all those runners.