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The Terry Temperature

I love Terry.

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I like Terry.

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Meh, Whatever.

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I dislike Terry.

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I hate Terry.

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TransMonk Jun 02 2011 07:29 AM

So, after 55 games, the Mets are 25-30. Terry got all red-faced after the game last night and per Metsblog gave the following rant: “I don’t know how to describe (the 7th inning). I’m sick of trying to describe 7th innings. … I’ll tell you what, Andrew McCutchen plays the game right. That son of a bitch runs down there 3.9, 4 flat, and you better catch it and execute it. He gets a ground ball to third base and beats it out. That’s how you play, and that’s how we’ve got to start playing. … I’m running out of ideas here. You know, do we play hard? Absolutely. That’s not the issue. The issue is not effort. It’s about execution. We need to add on points when we get the lead. I’m not looking for home runs. I’m looking for quality at bats. We can’t make careless mistakes, but we do. We give up at bats. We can’t do that. We don’t have that kind of team. … Make no mistake about it, I truly believe in the players we have. I don’t care where they started the season. I don’t care. I don’t care who were All Stars, who weren’t All Stars, this is a team thing; it’s not one guy, it’s not two guys; it’s a team thing. I sit up here every night trying to figure out what can we do to get us over the top. Should we hit and run more? Well, who do you have up there? You have guys up there you shouldn’t hit and run with. Should we bunt more? Well, if we don’t get bunts down, then you’re putting them in situations to fail. Guys are pitching good, but we get in situations where when guys need to make a pitch they don’t make the pitch. I don’t have the answers. I’m searching. I’m ringing the rag dry, coming in here, having to look at you guys looking at me like I’m a stinking fool. I told these guys, ‘We’re good enough, but we have to play the game right.’ We just can’t continue to make foolish mistakes. … They’re big-league players. They should be able to do it. They should be able to do it. I don’t know if it’s not anticipating the play. I’m not in their minds. But, it’s how you play the game. This is a team thing. And, I’m not just pointing the finger at the players. I told the coaches, ‘We’ve got to do a better job, we’ve got to take responsibility for this.’ I’m the manager. It comes back on my shoulders. … In that 7th inning, those were my players I put out there, who I believe in. So, therefore, maybe I need to make some adjustments. And, by God, they’ll be made. I don’t know it comes with finding different players. But, they’ll be made. Something’s going to be changing.” So where do Cranepoolers stand on Terry Collins through the first 1/3 of his debut season managing the Mets? What do you like? What don't you like?

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 07:41 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

He ain't talking about 2014. I'm OK with that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 02 2011 07:48 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

It's a small miracle they're not getting killed every night, much less winning a few here and there. Most teams have more talent and fewer problems. I think Terry's doing fine, his job is to make sure they don't completely surrender when these hard times come, and they will. We've had a few strategic disagreements, but I feel like I had more with Jerry Manuel over the course of a single game than with Terry in a week.

TransMonk Jun 02 2011 08:00 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

I like him. I'm with JCL that I don't find myself exasperated several times a night like I did with Jerry. 25-30 is about what I expected out of this team...and that would have been without losing Davis and Wright to DL stints. I think he's rotating the young guys in well, he's mixing up the lineup to see what works and I really like that he hasn't been babying Beltran and is letting him play. I'm still not sure what his bullpen strategy is...and this bullpen has been really good at times and downright awful at times, so it is still seems ot be a work in progress. IMO, he's doing pretty well with the talent that he has to work with on a nightly basis. He's had a couple of head scratchers, but overall, I'm not consistently cursing his moves as he's making him, which is a nice change of pace. I also like his moxy.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 08:03 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

It's probably a good idea not to get too crazy over the bullpen in these situations. If you find yourself failing to protect 2-1 leads in the seventh, you may get further trying to get more out of your second- and third-best hitters than out of your ninth- and tenth-best pitchers.

metirish Jun 02 2011 08:09 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Agree with above posts , to be even competitive with the players he's putting out there nightly is doing good I think. I’m running out of ideas here. probably not the best ting to say.

Ceetar Jun 02 2011 08:12 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

metirish wrote: Agree with above posts , to be even competitive with the players he's putting out there nightly is doing good I think. I’m running out of ideas here. probably not the best ting to say. nah, I like that he's been willing to admit that he doesn't have all the answers, and that he's done things wrong in the past. He also said he's going to make changes. [crossout]And then he cracked a joke and laughed maniacally.[/crossout]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2011 08:23 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

I like that he cares. I'm concerned-- and I anticipate-- that'll be his eventual undoing.

TransMonk Jun 02 2011 08:25 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like that he cares. I'm concerned-- and I anticipate-- that'll be his eventual undoing. Do you mean that we'll see more rants like the one above and that he'll consistently be blowing a gasket when things don't go right?

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 08:30 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: Agree with above posts , to be even competitive with the players he's putting out there nightly is doing good I think. I’m running out of ideas here. probably not the best ting to say. nah, I like that he's been willing to admit that he doesn't have all the answers, and that he's done things wrong in the past. He also said he's going to make changes. [crossout]And then he cracked a joke and laughed maniacally.[/crossout] This is where I thought he was borderline between Lasorda and Elia --- that his tirade may break down from the exasperated to the bizzarre. I got the idea that with just one push, he'd say something like, "I don't know --- maybe I'll send Murphy out there with no shoes! See how he likes that! There's this cute girl selling ice cream on the concourse and I'm thinking of batting her cleanup! She wears this little half-shirt and... what's that? NO, I'M NOT GONNA CALM DOWN! This son of a bitch asked me a QUESTION! Maybe we rub some fuckin' pine tar in Jason Bay's JOCKSTRAP and he might get an extra base HIT! I'm thinking of trying that. These are some of my GENIUS! FUCKING! IDEAS!" I actually got nervous and scared for him waiting to see if the crazy was going to come out last night.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 02 2011 08:32 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like that he cares. I'm concerned-- and I anticipate-- that'll be his eventual undoing. Yabbut, "eventual" meaning at the end of his (2-years?) contract at the earliest. My take is that Terry's here to serve a specific role as part of the turnaround management team. He's a specialist in advocating "playing the game right" as a means to acceptable play in the near term while the long-term financial and operational changes get made. Emotional outbursts when things get unacceptable is probably expected and I am sure forgiven.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2011 08:36 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Yeah, but I think, given a few more moments like these, that the crazy will leak out, all over the front pages. And then he'll be a red-faced joke. And I don't know how "eventual" that eventuality is.

Ceetar Jun 02 2011 08:38 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

hey, Guillen had a nice rant on Sunday and they went out and swept the other Sox. Look out Braves!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 02 2011 08:40 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Do people really think he's crazy? The shitshow this team has put on recently deserves a far worse lashing than he gives.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 08:43 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Don't get me wrong. I don't think he's crazy. But I think he's vulnerable to going over the edge. I think teams in this state can push an intense guy like him to the tipping point. Art Howe would never be undone by a team like this. Billy Martin, on the other hand, would've killed a guy by now. Killed him, driven him out to the desert, buried him, and been back in time for a day-night doubleheader the next day.

TransMonk Jun 02 2011 08:51 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

My underlying concern with Terry is the stories of the clubhouse that he lost in Anaheim. Granted, that was a long time ago, and I'm hoping and guessing that he has learned from whatever mistakes he may have made. I like the fire he showed after the game last night, and let's face it, the team deserved it. I'm thinking he needs to make sure this type of ranting only happens every once in a while at the lowest of lows. Otherwise, people may stop listening everytime he goes off.

metirish Jun 02 2011 08:57 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

If it means anything the players laud him for his communication with them , how longs that lasts?, fuck the players I say.

themetfairy Jun 02 2011 09:09 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Like, but not love. It's not like he's Bobby....

Ashie62 Jun 02 2011 10:05 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

I like him. I will be interested to see how he holds up during the dog days.

Vic Sage Jun 02 2011 12:21 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Terry the Cuntbunter is just another in the recent string of smallballers filling out our lineup card and i'm so sick of it, i can't even READ about a game (much less watch one) without getting pissed off at something he does or doesn't do. I'm not saying he's worse than Willie or Jerry in this regard, but the cumulative effect has worn me down to the nub. And when he brings in FRod to finish games, even in NON-SAVE SITUATIONS, while scrupulously avoiding him in the high-leverage late-game situations when the game is really on the line, i want to rip my teeth out of my head. In terms of his disposition, i've got no problem with it so far. If he can manage this entire season without actually punching one of these cocksuckers in the face, i'll say he will have shown incredible restraint. I would like him a whole lot better if he pulled a reverse Lenny Randle and actually tried to choke willie harris to death.

metirish Jun 02 2011 12:27 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Vic Sage wrote: Terry the Cuntbunter is just another in the recent string of smallballers filling out our lineup card and i'm so sick of it, i can't even READ about a game (much less watch one) without getting pissed off at something he does or doesn't do. I'm not saying he's worse than Willie or Jerry in this regard, but the cumulative effect has worn me down to the nub. And when he brings in FRod to finish games, even in NON-SAVE SITUATIONS, while scrupulously avoiding him in the high-leverage late-game situations when the game is really on the line, i want to rip my teeth out of my head. In terms of his disposition, i've got no problem with it so far. If he can manage this entire season without actually punching one of these cocksuckers in the face, i'll say he will have shown incredible restraint. I would like him a whole lot better if he pulled a reverse Lenny Randle and actually tried to choke willie harris to death. you're on fire today...maybe Collins can reach in and rip Dunst's larynx out.

Vic Sage Jun 02 2011 12:32 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

you're on fire today...maybe Collins can reach in and rip Dunst's larynx out i was at the game last night, and it is still fueling my fury.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 02 2011 12:34 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Vic Sage wrote: Terry the Cuntbunter is just another in the recent string of smallballers filling out our lineup card and i'm so sick of it, i can't even READ about a game (much less watch one) without getting pissed off at something he does or doesn't do. I'm not saying he's worse than Willie or Jerry in this regard, but the cumulative effect has worn me down to the nub. And when he brings in FRod to finish games, even in NON-SAVE SITUATIONS, while scrupulously avoiding him in the high-leverage late-game situations when the game is really on the line, i want to rip my teeth out of my head. In terms of his disposition, i've got no problem with it so far. If he can manage this entire season without actually punching one of these cocksuckers in the face, i'll say he will have shown incredible restraint. I would like him a whole lot better if he pulled a reverse Lenny Randle and actually tried to choke willie harris to death. I'm leaning with Vic. I don't get all the Terry love. Because he's better than Randolph? Talk about having your expectations lowered. Re: K-Rod: I wonder if the FO hasn't specifically spelled it out for Terry for fear that should the issue ever be arbitrated at a grievance hearing, the Mets had to consider the possibility that Collins might not be a Met by then, and that Collins might testify against the Mets.

TransMonk Jun 02 2011 12:44 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm leaning with Vic. I don't get all the Terry love. Because he's better than Randolph? Talk about having your expectations lowered. Check the poll above. I see zero "love". Vic's underwhelmed even with the shittiest of expectations, so I'm not sure about that one either.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 12:53 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I don't get all the Terry love. Because he's better than Randolph? "I love Terry" has zero votes so far.

Ceetar Jun 02 2011 01:06 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Edgy DC wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I don't get all the Terry love. Because he's better than Randolph? "I love Terry" has zero votes so far. When was the last time you loved a manager? I wouldn't haved picked that one for any of the managers I've seen.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 02 2011 01:18 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Are you too young to remember Mike Cubbage?

Ceetar Jun 02 2011 01:23 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Are you too young to remember Mike Cubbage? yes. I'd say my first 'real' manager is Valentine. I was too young to really pay much attention to the manager before that. He doesn't hit after all. (And definitely too young for Torre)

seawolf17 Jun 02 2011 01:44 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Are you too young to remember Mike Cubbage? yes. I'd say my first 'real' manager is Valentine. I was too young to really pay much attention to the manager before that. He doesn't hit after all. (And definitely too young for Torre) I loved Davey Johnson.

bmfc1 Jun 02 2011 02:14 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

I think that Terry is going to have a big smile during today's presser. And he should. Good for him.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 02:27 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Frank Howard. Grrrrow!

Vic Sage Jun 02 2011 03:04 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

[u:1zpeudcw]Mets managers:[/u:1zpeudcw] Loved = Gil, Davey, Bobby V Liked = Casey, Yogi Meh = Westrum, Frazier, Torre, Harrelson, Randolph Disliked = Bamberger, Manuel Hated = Torborg, Dallas, Howe Incomplete = McMillan, Cubbage, F.Howard, Salty Parker, Terry Collins

Frayed Knot Jun 02 2011 04:18 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Bunting -- I haven't found Terry's over-bunting tendencies to be anywhere close to those of Willie - who did so seemingly on auto-pilot, or of Jerry - who bunted in insane situations and seemed to get worse at it as time went on. A couple of disagreements but very minor on my radar so far. Bullpen? -- I dunno. When the relievers get guys out the manager looks like a genius and when they don't (or when the left-in starter gives it up) he looks like a dope. Terry isn't trying to shoe-horn someone into specific roles the way Jerry did and then toss them aside for another attempt. Yeah, he's too by the book with the closer but that puts him in with the other 29 skippers currently drawing paychecks and most of the questions I've had about who was brought in and when falls more in the 'reasonable people can disagree' category than in 'WTF?!?!' territory. The Frankie stuff is driving fans nuts mainly because of of the vesting clause although that part really shouldn't concern him. Management -- Jerry's light-hearted Q&A's sounded, at first anyway, like a breath of fresh air compared to Willie's dour "I'm a winner" insistence, and now Terry's bluntness comes as a welcome change from the 'everything's fine' metronome of his predecessors. We like that he got mad last night because we did, but is he truly better at people mgmt or is the style just fresher? ... probably too soon to tell. In all, I'm somewhat north of 'Meh' but probably a bit below 'Like'. Let's go with a B- even though 1/3 of one season is too quick to cling too tightly to a specific grade on anyone.

Ceetar Jun 02 2011 05:28 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Frayed Knot wrote: Bunting -- I haven't found Terry's over-bunting tendencies to be anywhere close to those of Willie - who did so seemingly on auto-pilot, or of Jerry - who bunted in insane situations and seemed to get worse at it as time went on. A couple of disagreements but very minor on my radar so far. Bullpen? -- I dunno. When the relievers get guys out the manager looks like a genius and when they don't (or when the left-in starter gives it up) he looks like a dope. Terry isn't trying to shoe-horn someone into specific roles the way Jerry did and then toss them aside for another attempt. Yeah, he's too by the book with the closer but that puts him in with the other 29 skippers currently drawing paychecks and most of the questions I've had about who was brought in and when falls more in the 'reasonable people can disagree' category than in 'WTF?!?!' territory. The Frankie stuff is driving fans nuts mainly because of of the vesting clause although that part really shouldn't concern him. Management -- Jerry's light-hearted Q&A's sounded, at first anyway, like a breath of fresh air compared to Willie's dour "I'm a winner" insistence, and now Terry's bluntness comes as a welcome change from the 'everything's fine' metronome of his predecessors. We like that he got mad last night because we did, but is he truly better at people mgmt or is the style just fresher? ... probably too soon to tell. In all, I'm somewhat north of 'Meh' but probably a bit below 'Like'. Let's go with a B- even though 1/3 of one season is too quick to cling too tightly to a specific grade on anyone. I think it's too early to tell. I think he's doing a lot of safe things with bunts and handedness but there have been signs as guys earn (or unearn) roles he's willing to do something differently. Pinch hitting Murphy against a lefty? Granted it might've had more to do with the short bench, but it worked. Learning who he can trust and he he can't in what situations and he'll have that to go off of in August and September instead of the book.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2011 07:02 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

There was no righty there, was there? Seems to me Murphy was the clear choice.

Ceetar Jun 02 2011 07:43 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Edgy DC wrote: There was no righty there, was there? Seems to me Murphy was the clear choice. Either Wayne or Howie said there was. Was Hairston used already? I was at work so the stuff before that is fuzzy. Maybe not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 02 2011 07:44 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Hairston had an earlier PH appearance.

86-Dreamer Jun 17 2011 07:32 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Terry Collins when asked if Reyes could use a day of rest: "What the hell you want - eggs in your beer?" Never heard that one before and not really sure what it means, but I like it.

MFS62 Jun 17 2011 07:46 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

86-Dreamer wrote: Terry Collins when asked if Reyes could use a day of rest: "What the hell you want - eggs in your beer?" Never heard that one before and not really sure what it means, but I like it. The adults in my family used that expression when I was a kid. I never really understood it either, but I think it means do you want more than just a good thing. Oh, and they used the singular "egg". Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2011 08:43 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

The bullpen usage could still use some work. Some days, it's almost ideal (see Wednesday's rain game, minus the Frankie Fists appearance), and then... he's Jerrymandering (see Wednesday's Frankie Fists appearance).

Fman99 Jun 17 2011 10:24 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The bullpen usage could still use some work. Some days, it's almost ideal (see Wednesday's rain game, minus the Frankie Fists appearance), and then... he's Jerrymandering (see Wednesday's Frankie Fists appearance). He fucked up yesterday, like a retard doing algebra. Why is Acosta lifted after eight pitches? And then, why send Carrasco to Buffalo for two months to stretch him out to start, only to bring him back and pitch him on consecutive days? And why is Frankie pitching with a four run lead at 1 AM?

TransMonk Jun 29 2011 09:45 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

Since starting 5-13, the Mets have gone 35-26 which gives them the 7th best record in baseball and the 4th best in the NL over that span. Best NL Records since 04/20/11: Philly 39-24, 0 GB Atlanta 38-24, .5 GB San Fran 36-26, 2.5 GB NY Mets 35-26, 3 GB CBS Sports lists the Mets as the 21st best team in their most recent Power Rankings (idiots), but they also say (with which I don't disagree): "...there's a lot to like about this team, starting with the fact that they show up every night. They lose because they're untalented and undermanned, not because they're outwitted or out-effort-ed. Nobody likes a losing team, but this year's model is far easier to get behind than what the Mets trotted out during the last few seasons." I think some of this has to reflect well on Terry.

Ceetar Jun 29 2011 09:49 AM Re: The Terry Temperature

The 35-26 pace would be good for about 93 wins over a full season, will get them to 87 if they continue it from here. The Mets went on a 6-game tear after that start, and from _that_ point they have yet to win or lose more than 3 games in a row, but are playing to a .527 winning percentage.

Vic Sage Jun 29 2011 12:22 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

I'm sorry, but did the 5-13 start not actually happen? was that a different manager? he gets credit for the record SINCE then, but no blame for the start itself? I'm sorry, i'm getting dizzy. i think i need to sit. Reyes is having an MVP season so the team is playing 500. I don't think that gets Terry a ride down the canyon of heroes just yet.

Edgy DC Jun 29 2011 12:39 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Which, of course, nobody came close to suggesting. I've been puzzled by bullpen selections too, but one thing he's not doing is over-using anybody --- not even his eighth-inning guy. Whether that translates into no late-season bullpen collapse remains to be seen. It does bring up the question of whether failure from fatigued overused good pitchers is a worse thing than failure from poorly performing bad pitchers being used when they optimally shoud be watching.

TransMonk Jun 29 2011 01:03 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

Vic Sage wrote: I'm sorry, It doesn't sound like you are. Vic Sage wrote: but did the 5-13 start not actually happen? I think that was clearly referenced when I started my post with "Since starting 5-13," Vic Sage wrote: was that a different manager? Nope, same one...haven't you been paying attention? Vic Sage wrote: he gets credit for the record SINCE then, but no blame for the start itself? I give him credit for helping to take an injury riddled team back to above .500 after that team started out 5-13. Vic Sage wrote: I'm sorry, i'm getting dizzy. i think i need to sit. Please do. I wouldn't want you to slip on your sarcasm. Vic Sage wrote: Reyes is having an MVP season so the team is playing 500. I think there's a bit more to it than just that. Vic Sage wrote: I don't think that gets Terry a ride down the canyon of heroes just yet. What Edgy said.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 29 2011 02:28 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

I think there's a difference between "this guy is better than we thought" and the canyon of heroes. And put me in the "better than we thought" category. If you had asked me in March to guess the team's record after playing many of the games with a lineup that includes lots of Duda, Murphy, Turner and missing Ike and Wright, I would not have said .500.

Ashie62 Jun 29 2011 02:39 PM Re: The Terry Temperature

So far so good, as in if he were a newcomer to my gin mill he would be in the mix.