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Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Marv Throneberry, 1962-1963

5 votes

Jimmy Piersall, 1963

0 votes

George Altman, 1964

0 votes

Chuck Hiller, 1965-1967

0 votes

Phil Linz, 1967-1968

0 votes

Bob Aspromonte, 1971

0 votes

Jim Fregosi, 1972-1973

0 votes

Brock Pemberton, 1974-1975

0 votes

Roy Staiger, 1976-1977

0 votes

Tom Grieve, 1978

0 votes

Phil Mankowski, 1980

0 votes

Jose Oquendo, 1983-1984

1 votes

Larry Bowa, 1985

0 votes

Kevin Elster, 1986

1 votes

Bill Almon, 1987

0 votes

Mackey Sasser, 1988-1992

5 votes

Wayne Housie, 1993

0 votes

Doug Saunders, 1993

0 votes

Damon Buford, 1995

0 votes

Justin Turner, 2010-2011

7 votes

Edgy DC Jun 03 2011 07:27 AM

I mentioned in the PotM thread that Justin Turner looked to have a chance to become the best two in Mets history. Justin Turner! Still technically a rook and it only the first week in June. That's how sick and depraved the assignment of that number has been. It's sick. All Stars became embarassments in two. Journeymen journeyed on in two. Prospects became... well, they became Wayne Housie. All of them. So I ask you, gun to your head, with KISS in the background playing "Deuce," which player (no managers or coaches here, includding Valentine) made two shine the brightest in Mets history? *Thank you, MbtN.

MFS62 Jun 03 2011 07:31 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Marvelous Marv still has a place in my heart. Anyone who votes for the guy they got for Nolan Ryan should be banned forever from all things Metly. Later

Edgy DC Jun 03 2011 07:38 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

That won't happen. I mean sheesh, I love Doug Flynn. If he called me up right now and said, "Edgy, I need you," I'd drop everything and fly to his his side. Just to sit there and be. If he said, "Edgy, it's so good of you to be here... considering who I was traded for," I'd say, "Hush." That said, there seem to be three good candidates.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 03 2011 07:46 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

My vote is for Mackey Sasser. But Justin Turner definitely has a chance to unseat him. I'm already starting to wonder who Justin's Rookie-of-the-Year competition will be.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2011 08:15 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I was kinda into Jose Oquendo back then.

Edgy DC Jun 03 2011 08:17 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: My vote is for Mackey Sasser. But Justin Turner definitely has a chance to unseat him. I'm already starting to wonder who Justin's Rookie-of-the-Year competition will be. Your vote isn't showing.

TransMonk Jun 03 2011 08:21 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Gun to my head with the choices above, I go with Turner for hope and lack of a better option. Bobby Valentine was the best two I've seen in a Mets uni, but I guess managers aren't being included.

Edgy DC Jun 03 2011 08:26 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

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metirish Jun 03 2011 08:26 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I'm all Bachman Turner Overdrive

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2011 08:31 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

The face of the franchise before the arrival of the franchise's Franchise. Bad, but good bad.

seawolf17 Jun 03 2011 08:33 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Throneberry because of his semi-iconic status, but 2 is Bobby V for me.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2011 08:36 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

What other deuce made the cover of a book in a Mets uniform?

metsmarathon Jun 03 2011 08:38 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

per fangraphs, mackey sasser is the most productive metly deuce at 2.9 WAR per his career in the number. next comes roy staiger at 1.9 WAR, then chuck hiller at 1.2 WAR, and finally justin turner at 1.0 WAR. it's certainly his number to take. but he's gotta wrest it from mackey

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2011 08:44 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2011 08:44 AM

If I owned the Mets, this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion. I'da retired Marv's # a long time ago. [youtube:286iynnc]dY-ZtKpSkzE[/youtube:286iynnc]

Edgy DC Jun 03 2011 08:44 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

seawolf17 wrote: Throneberry because of his semi-iconic status, but 2 is Bobby V for me. That gun is cocked and loaded, buddy.

themetfairy Jun 03 2011 08:46 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

TransMonk wrote: Gun to my head with the choices above, I go with Turner for hope and lack of a better option. Bobby Valentine was the best two I've seen in a Mets uni, but I guess managers aren't being included. This

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2011 09:11 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I picked Mackey. But I did hesitate once or twice before doing so.

The Second Spitter Jun 03 2011 09:23 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I never knew the Genius didn't wear 2 as a player. Huh.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2011 10:05 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

CPF Rankings has Sasser at 146th on the list just nudging out Elster at 150 No one else after that is particularly close Turner almost certainly could not catch either just via this season alone, but could put a sizable dent in their lead.

sharpie Jun 03 2011 10:15 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Marv over Mackey over Justin. Maybe next year for Justin.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2011 10:40 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I'm giving Elster a vote. A decent SS gets it over an erratic catcher, and while I understand the Marv love but it's almost entirely symbolic and a bit before my time to boot. I always thought the Elster shoulder injury and the subsequent parade of low-rent SS brought in to replace him was one of the under-reported factors of the post-'80s NYM collapse. He may not have developed into an All-Star, but a solid glove-man at that spot who could put up even average numbers is not so easy to find and s having one usually puts you a leg ahead of your competition. The Jeter article in the other thread, while fucking ridiculous in its steered-to conclusion, makes some of those same points.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2011 10:52 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Ah, but Elster was only a #2 for one year. So Elster only gets #2 credit... for one year.

TransMonk Jun 03 2011 10:54 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ah, but Elster was only a #2 for one year. So Elster only gets #2 credit... for one year. That's how I figured it as well.

sharpie Jun 03 2011 10:56 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Elster also barely played that year. If it was a career for Elster he would win.

G-Fafif Jun 03 2011 11:58 AM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Swear I've been mulling this since Saturday night in LF stands, Turner's 2 in my face (albeit from a distance). I've always thought two numbers above all others suck for ballplayers: 2 and 59. Seeing Turner in 2 brought that back from the days of Wayne Housie. Throenberry may have something 2 do with defining the number in my mind, and he deserves all the accolades (relatively speaking). But I ticked Turner here because Turner turns me on RIGHT NOW!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2011 12:21 PM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

Here's a little background on No. 2 Damon Buford I did a little while back: [url]http://mbtn.net/six-degrees-damon-buford

G-Fafif Jun 03 2011 01:02 PM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I had really hoped my calling out to "Demon" Buford would catch on in the latter stages of 1995. He'd steal bases -- be a base-stealing Demon -- and a legend would be born. That didn't seem to happen.

Fman99 Jun 04 2011 01:22 PM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

I picked Turner as well. Most of these guys who wore #2 also played like it.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2011 03:54 PM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ah, but Elster was only a #2 for one year. So Elster only gets #2 credit... for one year. Then forget everything I just said.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2011 04:37 PM Re: Who's the Ace of Deuces?

You are then encouraged to change your vote. Two votes seperate first and third.