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A record for Jose?

TheOldMole Jun 08 2011 08:17 AM

Jose on track to break Shoeless Joe Jackson's record for most total bases by a player with 7 or fewer home runs.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2011 08:21 AM Re: A record for Jose?

A few searches turned up the following old-timey facts: (1) 27 Triples? The only modern player [????????????] to hit 27 or more 3Bs in a season was Chief Wilson, who set the all-time record of 36 in 1912. (That's not the only 1912 connection for Jose, as we'll see in a moment.) The writer refers to the dead-ball era as the modern era.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2011 08:28 AM Re: A record for Jose?

I've seen the "modern era" defined as starting in 1900.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2011 08:30 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Yup. The writer is clearly stealing liberally from the "Where Mets Rank" thread.

Ceetar Jun 08 2011 08:39 AM Re: A record for Jose?

That's freaking amazin' I like the part about BABIP. So, can a career .286 hitter suddenly hit .337 for a season? Surely he can; every year, we see some veterans exceed their career BA or BAbip by 50 points or more. And don't forget that Reyes is operating in a home park that seems very much to his liking: in 120 career games there, he has slashed .324/.378/.506, with 33% of his hits going for extra bases. Finally, his current high batting average is partly supported by a decline in strikeouts; he's is on pace for 58 strikeouts, after averaging 82 Ks per 162 games in the past. It's not as nutty as it may sound (I hope) ... and until the Mets give me a better possibility to believe in, I'm believing in this one! I figured his high number .366 to career .312 would mean he wouldn't hit like this all season. But all the other numbers support it being higher this year, he's certainly not getting bloop hits and soft grounders finding holes, he's ripping the cover off the ball. He's playing in Citi Field with his legs fully healthy. He's one of the hardest players in the game to strike out. You figure he will actually slump at some point and probably be a shade off those projections (although those projections are actually on the short side after last night) but you also figure he will hit more than 3 home runs. Last night's ball was pretty much home run caliber to the wrong spot, and he said he was just trying to put a good swing on it and get the sac-fly. (Also, you gotta assume one day on one of those triples someone's going to misjudge a carem and he's going all the way around)

metirish Jun 08 2011 08:46 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Can the Mets just sign him now please. Jose is becoming national talk with his play this season.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2011 08:49 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I've seen the "modern era" defined as starting in 1900. Maybe, but tripling in the dead ball era was much easier than tripling today. Here's a list of the top 10 single season triplers. This list hasn't changed since Calvin Coolidge was the President. * 1. Chief Wilson (1912) - 36 * 2. Dave Orr (1886) - 31 * 2. Heinie Reitz (1894) - 31 * 4. Perry Werden (1893) - 29 * 5. Harry Davis (1897) - 28 * 5. Jimmy Williams (1899) - 28 * 7. George Davis (1893) - 27 * 7. Sam Thompson (1894) - 27 * 9. Sam Crawford (1914) - 26 * 9. Kiki Cuyler (1925) - 26 * 9. Joe Jackson (1912) - 26 * 9. John Reilly (1890) - 26 * 9. George Treadway (1894) - 26

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2011 08:51 AM Re: A record for Jose?

metirish wrote: Jose is becoming national talk with his play this season. If the Mets were in the thick of it, he'd be the media's leading candidate for MVP right now. I don't care what those numbers say about his defense.

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2011 08:55 AM Re: A record for Jose?

As I noted in another thread yesterday, the post-1930 record for triples in a season is Curtis Granderson's 23 in 2007 I actually think Jose's defense has been better this year also (the error v Atlanta the other night notwithstanding). Where he was never impressive before was when he had to leave his feet. It's like he's too tall to be a good diving (Ozzie, Vizquel) kind of SS but he seems more comfortable doing so lately (last night an example).

Ceetar Jun 08 2011 09:00 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Frayed Knot wrote: It's like he's too tall to be a good diving (Ozzie, Vizquel) kind of SS but he seems more comfortable doing so lately (last night an example). Wayne Hagin insisted last night that no other SS in baseball makes that play.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2011 09:03 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Well, he has to be wrong because Derek Jeter fans would disagree.

Vic Sage Jun 08 2011 10:39 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Here's a list of the top 10 single season triplers. your top 10 list has 13... just sayin'.

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2011 11:19 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, he has to be wrong because Derek Jeter fans would disagree. Jeter, you see, wouldn't have to dive for that ball because he would have been standing right there. He's always in perfect position to get it don't you know ... nevermind about those pesky facts showing that he gets to fewer balls than any other SS each year, if you'd see him every game you'd know that he's always in the right place at the right time and therefore range stats are irrelevant.

Ceetar Jun 08 2011 11:28 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, he has to be wrong because Derek Jeter fans would disagree. Jeter, you see, wouldn't have to dive for that ball because he would have been standing right there. He's always in perfect position to get it don't you know ... nevermind about those pesky facts showing that he gets to fewer balls than any other SS each year, if you'd see him every game you'd know that he's always in the right place at the right time and therefore range stats are irrelevant. The "new" thing is "He makes the plays when the ball is hit to him."

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2011 11:31 AM Re: A record for Jose?

Correction: He makes ALL the plays on balls hit to him. So whenever you see a SS bobble or just plain miss a grounder the legend of Jeter grows in your eyes but you KNOW FOR A FACT that he would have had that one. Hasn't missed one yet from what I've been told.