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Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 24 2011 09:57 AM

I don't know what Paddy Power says but I'd bet Sandy does a lot of trading in July. Rodriguez, Beltran, Reyes, Bay are the obvious candidates but then you got a second class of "reliable veterans that all contenders could use" (Capuano, Dickey, Paulino, Hairston, Isringhausen, Byrdak). I wonder what the record for most Mets traded in July is.

Ceetar Jun 24 2011 10:18 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I suspect we might see a new bench guy and a new reliever. I don't know if there are any starters for him to pick up though.

TransMonk Jun 24 2011 10:33 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I don't see how Bay is going anywhere.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2011 10:50 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Me neither. Bay is certainly someone the Mets would like to trade, but I can't imagine they'd find any takers. I think Rodriguez is the most likely to go, with Beltran a close second. My hunch is that they don't trade Jose, hoping to sign him during the Piazza Period. Izzy, Dickey, and Cappy all seem pretty tradeable too. And Pelfrey is also a possibility.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 24 2011 10:56 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Seems to me that it's about the time that Bay transitions to a Veteran Slugger role a la Dave Justice or Jeff Conine or whatever in their final year(s). I know the $$ is going to be an issue, but perhaps the contract comes along in a deal. I could see a team like the MFYs using Bay as a pinch hitter in a World Series game.

metirish Jun 24 2011 11:09 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

my man in Ireland Staff going over the odds with the team nearly ten out in the division and nearly six games out and seven teams behind in the WC the Mets should be sellers Odds on current roster of players getting traded PITCHERS Manny Acosta - 4/1 - Manny who is the response from a lot of people Pedro Beato - 50/1 - not going anywhere Tim Byrdak - 2/1 - lefties are always hot property in the bookies shop Chris Capuano - 5/1 tough call what with his nagging injuries , gets through his next two starts odds cut dramatically D.J. Carrasco - 3/1 - look for him on a west coast team R.A. Dickey - 10/1 - hard to see him going really , especially as it was this front office that gave him the contract. Dillon Gee - 50/1 - nowhere baby Jason Isringhausen - 1/2 , if he stays healthy he's gone Jon Niese - 50/1 nowhere baby Bobby Parnell - 30/1 - not going Mike Pelfrey - 7/1 could go easily with the right offer Francisco Rodriguez - 1/2 he wants to go , front office wants him to go, gone baby gone CATCHERS Ronny Paulino - 2/1 - see ya.....in the Bronx? Josh Thole - 100/1 INFIELDERS Daniel Murphy - 100/1 - who'd take him? Jose Reyes - 3/1 generous odds , a lot of money in from Asia(Wilpon?) Ruben Tejada - 100/1 - Justin Turner - 100/1 OUTFIELDERS Jason Bay - 50/1 unless Mets pay most of his salary he's going nowhere just like his power swing. Carlos Beltran - 2/1 - a lot of teams would want him Lucas Duda - 100/1 - odds he'll be in Buffalo - 1/2 Scott Hairston - 2/1 - I'm sure someone will take him Willie Harris - 5/1 not sure anyone will take him Angel Pagan - 50/1 - Jason Pridie - 50/1

Edgy DC Jun 24 2011 11:11 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

22 cranes on Pelfrey. His money going forward could be an obstacle to the Reyes Fund.

TransMonk Jun 24 2011 11:14 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I'd put money on Pelfrey as well.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 24 2011 11:32 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I got 50 Cranes on Capuano at those odds.

metirish Jun 24 2011 11:34 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I got 50 Cranes on Capuano at those odds. this is how we reel you in you know?

Ceetar Jun 24 2011 11:43 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

doubt Pelfrey gets traded. I think pitching of his talent is in demand. And the Mets need more pitching, not less. They'll end up spending at least what they got for him, in either prospects or money, trying to replace him.

Edgy DC Jun 24 2011 11:52 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Just get your money on the table.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2011 12:04 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Do we have a budget on how many cranes we can bet? I'll assume it's 100. I'll put 40 on Frankie, 40 on Beltran, 10 on Dickey and 10 on Capuano.

metirish Jun 24 2011 12:08 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

bookie outside Citi Field revised Odds some heavy money coming in from the Jersey area Mike Pelfrey - 5/1

metirish Jun 24 2011 12:19 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

proposed new sign to replace Pepsi at Citi Field Trifecta odds Beltran to the yankees Reyes to the Reds Izzy to the Brewers 80/1 - for two days only Beltran Reyes Izzy - all to stay with the Mets 50/1 - two days only through the weekend you can choose whatever trifecta you wish and get 30/1 odds

bmfc1 Jun 24 2011 12:40 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

FLOYD: Takin' bets today, Red? RED: (pulls notepad and pencil) Bear Catholic? Pope shit in the woods? Smokes or coin, bettor's choice. FLOYD: Smokes. Put me down for two. RED: High roller. Who's your horse? To be traded (with a budget of 100): Capuano (25), Isringhausen (25), Beltran (35), Hairston (5)... and one long shot, Pagan (10).

TransMonk Jun 24 2011 12:56 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: doubt Pelfrey gets traded. I think pitching of his talent is in demand. And the Mets need more pitching, not less. They'll end up spending at least what they got for him, in either prospects or money, trying to replace him. What if we get a league minimum back-end starter (with a few years left before free agency) back in a deal for Rodriguez or Beltran? Statistically speaking, Pelfrey is the worst horse in our stable right now. I think he's shown exactly what he will continue to be: a guy who is going to win about 12 games with an ERA between 4.00 and 4.50. $4M-$5M is a lot to pay a guy that puts up those type of numbers. Pelfrey is a nice guy who has stayed healthy...but he is what he is at this point.

Edgy DC Jun 24 2011 12:59 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Yeah, I don't want the Mets to trade anybubby, but I think Pelfrey is replaceable to a modestly clever team.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 24 2011 01:15 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I walk around thinking Pelfrey is an adjustment or two away from domination. Big strong healthy guy, I know the results aren't there but I dunno, I feel like we wouldn't get much back for him and could lose that trade big-time.

Ceetar Jun 24 2011 01:17 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

TransMonk wrote: Ceetar wrote: doubt Pelfrey gets traded. I think pitching of his talent is in demand. And the Mets need more pitching, not less. They'll end up spending at least what they got for him, in either prospects or money, trying to replace him. What if we get a league minimum back-end starter (with a few years left before free agency) back in a deal for Rodriguez or Beltran? How many guys are consistantly back end starters? That aren't a coin flip away from being back-end AAA starters? That teams are actually willing to trade? I think Pelfrey's an above average pitcher who will occasionally struggle but works hard and has the talent to recover and make adjustments. I'm sure the right deal may be out there if Sandy's willing to roll the dice, but what you're basically saying is you can probably get somewhat of a Pelf equivilency in a deal for Frankie or Beltran (I'm not convinced Beltran will be traded all now, given Duda/F-Mart/etc. Too much of an offensive dropoff). I'd just as soon keep Pelfrey in that regard..Devil you know.. Mets would _still_ probably need another pitcher. At least. I mean, Pelfrey's bWAR was 2.9, 0, 2.4 and stands at .5 right now. If we assume he'll have just a slightly better second half than first, he'll probably get to around 1.5 this year. Only about 120 pitchers did better than that last year, including relievers. I don't think $5, or $12/2 is a lot for a guy like that.

TransMonk Jun 24 2011 01:19 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011 Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jun 24 2011 01:24 PM

I walk around thinking Pelfrey is an adjustment or two away from domination. I've been thinking this for 4 years now. What's the definition of insanity? He's pitched well at times, but I just can't expect dominance from him anymore and his price tag is not in line with rebuilding for the stats he is most likely to give us going forward. Maybe a change of scenery turns him into a top of the line starter, but I think we've seen what he's got to give. OE: Ceetar disagrees with me (or maybe I disagree with him)...and honestly, I'm not trying to turn this into a Pelfrey sucks thread. I just see it as an opportunity to cut salary without giving up too much on the stat line.

metirish Jun 24 2011 01:21 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I walk around thinking Pelfrey is an adjustment or two away from domination. Big strong healthy guy, I know the results aren't there but I dunno, I feel like we wouldn't get much back for him and could lose that trade big-time. This is exactly what I find so frustrating with pelfrey, and in five years we could be saying the same thing.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 24 2011 01:48 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Do we have a budget on how many cranes we can bet? I'll assume it's 100. I'll put 40 on Frankie, 40 on Beltran, 10 on Dickey and 10 on Capuano. Grimm bet 40 to win 20 on Frankie. He knows somethin' we don't know about Dickey & Carp! Me, I just made out at the craps table and had three bourbon/rocks, so I'm calling Paddy Power & betting 75 cranes on Daniel Murphy, super-sub to a hard-up contender, and my leftover 25 on Jason Bay and a suitcase full of ca$h back to Boston! Why yes, darlin', I will take another Makers on the rocks...

soupcan Jun 24 2011 01:55 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

TransMonk wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I walk around thinking Pelfrey is an adjustment or two away from domination. I've been thinking this for 4 years now. What's the definition of insanity? Yup - I'm here too. At 14 I thought Pete Falcone was worth hanging on to too.

seawolf17 Jun 24 2011 02:10 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

How about Bay (11:$16M, 12:$16M, 13:$16M, 14:$17M club option/$3M buyout) and Pelfrey to the Yankees for Burnett (11:$16.5M, 12:$16.5M, 13:$16.5M), Romine (the catcher), and one of the Trenton pitchers (Betances or Banuelos)?

Ceetar Jun 24 2011 02:17 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

seawolf17 wrote: How about Bay (11:$16M, 12:$16M, 13:$16M, 14:$17M club option/$3M buyout) and Pelfrey to the Yankees for Burnett (11:$16.5M, 12:$16.5M, 13:$16.5M), Romine (the catcher), and one of the Trenton pitchers (Betances or Banuelos)? we just got rid of Perez. no. That's a horrible contract, for about as much WAR as Frankie, who only has one year. Hughes instead of Burnett? no, I'd rather Pelfrey than Hughes anyway.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2011 02:21 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I see where seawolf is going. Bay is in fact tradeable, but you have to get another awful contract back in order to deal him. Conceivably, the Mets could do something with Bay like the Astros did with Derek Bell: they told the Mets, if you want Mike Hampton, you have to take Derek Bell. The difference is that the Mets don't have a Mike Hampton to trade, and Jason Bay has 2.5 years remaining on his contract, where Bell only had one. So to make something like that work, Sandy would have to be very very creative. I doubt it could happen, but Sandy may be able to come up with the magic combination.

metirish Jun 24 2011 02:36 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

In theory iT might work like this..... Sandy - " if you really want Manny fucking Acosta you need to take Bay from us, that's it OK?"

HahnSolo Jun 24 2011 02:46 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Has Frankie told teams he'd waive the vesting option or something that I missed? Otherwise what team is going to make a trade for him (I don't believe a deal with the Yankees is in the cards) with $17 mil staring them in the face for next year?

metirish Jun 24 2011 02:47 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

HahnSolo wrote: Has Frankie told teams he'd waive the vesting option or something that I missed? Otherwise what team is going to make a trade for him (I don't believe a deal with the Yankees is in the cards) with $17 mil staring them in the face for next year? if he is a setup guy then it wouldn't vest right?

TransMonk Jun 24 2011 02:48 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Frankie said...relax. He's open to discussing the waiver of the option if the trading team is open to discussing a contract extention.

HahnSolo Jun 24 2011 02:50 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

There's some big ifs there. I'll believe it when I see it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 24 2011 04:53 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

metirish wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I got 50 Cranes on Capuano at those odds. this is how we reel you in you know? And a damn fine job you did. I'll go 50 on Capuano... and I'll go for 20 on Murph and 10 on Turner as a surprise toss-in to a Beltran or Rodriguez trade.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 28 2011 06:10 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

"I have a well-structured sense of humor, but I need laughs now."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 06 2011 08:11 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Trackie reports this morning that Sandy is shopping Jizzringhausen, Byrdak and Rodriguez. Wouldn't miss any of them. Hey'd ya see where we signed 40-y.o. Miguel Batista and tossed him onto the Buff roster?

Edgy DC Jul 06 2011 08:23 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Missed it. I'm guessing they're maybe looking at Capuano as bullpen lefty if and when they get Johan back. O'Connor hasn't been pitching well. Tankersley hasn't done well all year. Hampson is a possibility.

MFS62 Jul 06 2011 08:31 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey'd ya see where we signed 40-y.o. Miguel Batista and tossed him onto the Buff roster? He got lit up for 4ER in 1/3 IP in his first appearance for the Herd. He's gotta' have more left in the tank. Right??? Later

Benjamin Grimm Jul 06 2011 08:32 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I read that they signed him to fill in some innings for the Bisons, and not with Flushing in mind, unless there's an emergency need for a spot starter.

MFS62 Jul 06 2011 09:17 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Lester got hurt for the RedSox last night, the estimate is 2-4 weeks right now. Buchholz is already on the DL. Dice-K is out with Tommy John surgery. A call to Boston might be in order. Later

seawolf17 Jul 06 2011 09:51 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I read that they signed him to fill in some innings for the Bisons, and not with Flushing in mind, unless there's an emergency need for a spot starter. He's 40 years old and has started exactly two games since 2008. If it gets that bad, we're in serious trouble.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 06 2011 10:23 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Second Wolf. Batista = Lima Time 2011.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 06 2011 11:04 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I don't know about "serious trouble." A spot start is when you need somebody for one day, maybe when there are back-to-back doubleheaders after a few rainouts or something like that. It's when you reach down to AAA to get whichever starter is rested and available. If he's needed to join the rotation, then yeah, it's a bad sign. But for one start? Not so much? (This raises the question, though. Who is the sixth starter on the Mets depth chart right now? Carrasco? If they had to summon someone from Buffalo, who would it be? Misch?)

Ceetar Jul 06 2011 11:16 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't know about "serious trouble." A spot start is when you need somebody for one day, maybe when there are back-to-back doubleheaders after a few rainouts or something like that. It's when you reach down to AAA to get whichever starter is rested and available. If he's needed to join the rotation, then yeah, it's a bad sign. But for one start? Not so much? (This raises the question, though. Who is the sixth starter on the Mets depth chart right now? Carrasco? If they had to summon someone from Buffalo, who would it be? Misch?) Schwinden's been floated, but he's not on the 40man.

DocTee Jul 06 2011 11:29 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I read that they signed him to fill in some innings for the Bisons, and not with Flushing in mind, unless there's an emergency need for a spot starter. He's 40 years old and has started exactly two games since 2008. If it gets that bad, we're in serious trouble. MB was a member of the last Pittsburgh team to post a winning record-- 19 years ago. Pass.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2011 11:30 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I'm fine iwth Carrasco, but Dylan Owen is viable too. Options abound, but this isn't what the thread is about.

Ceetar Jul 06 2011 11:33 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: I'm fine iwth Carrasco, but Dylan Owen is viable too. Options abound, but this isn't what the thread is about. tangentially, if we're talking about trading relievers and replacing them with guys from the minors. Or even trading Capuano (seen Pelfrey tossed about too, but hard to tell if that's just because he's taken the Ollie/Castillo role on this team). And presumably trading a guy opens up a 40 man spot if you're trading for prospects, so you could add Schwinden then, who'd be the third Chris to make a start for the Mets this year.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2011 12:04 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I don't advocate for trading Pelfrey (or anybody), but I have noted that trading him as a serious option, if you're in the trading business. His performance has stagnated, but his salary is about to get large. On the other side, he's healthy and strong and impressive enough when on to be diserable to a team who thinks they're one starting pitcher away. Salary dolllars are dear things for the Mets right now. I invoke him merely to be prepared should he depart.

Ashie62 Jul 06 2011 01:10 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Mike Cameron, 38 now, takes his .149 BA to the Marlins..he can retire in Florida.

metirish Jul 12 2011 01:59 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

metirish wrote: my man in Ireland Staff going over the odds with the team nearly ten out in the division and nearly six games out and seven teams behind in the WC the Mets should be sellers Odds on current roster of players getting traded PITCHERS Manny Acosta - 4/1 - Manny who is the response from a lot of people Pedro Beato - 50/1 - not going anywhere Tim Byrdak - 2/1 - lefties are always hot property in the bookies shop Chris Capuano - 5/1 tough call what with his nagging injuries , gets through his next two starts odds cut dramatically D.J. Carrasco - 3/1 - look for him on a west coast team R.A. Dickey - 10/1 - hard to see him going really , especially as it was this front office that gave him the contract. Dillon Gee - 50/1 - nowhere baby Jason Isringhausen - 1/2 , if he stays healthy he's gone Jon Niese - 50/1 nowhere baby Bobby Parnell - 30/1 - not going Mike Pelfrey - 7/1 could go easily with the right offer Francisco Rodriguez - 1/2 he wants to go , front office wants him to go, gone baby gone CATCHERS Ronny Paulino - 2/1 - see ya.....in the Bronx? Josh Thole - 100/1 INFIELDERS Daniel Murphy - 100/1 - who'd take him? Jose Reyes - 3/1 generous odds , a lot of money in from Asia(Wilpon?) Ruben Tejada - 100/1 - Justin Turner - 100/1 OUTFIELDERS Jason Bay - 50/1 unless Mets pay most of his salary he's going nowhere just like his power swing. Carlos Beltran - 2/1 - a lot of teams would want him Lucas Duda - 100/1 - odds he'll be in Buffalo - 1/2 Scott Hairston - 2/1 - I'm sure someone will take him Willie Harris - 5/1 not sure anyone will take him Angel Pagan - 50/1 - Jason Pridie - 50/1 Farmer ted talk has the odds on Beltran slashed to 1/2 on.....the Rangers look likely suitors says the farmer.

Gwreck Jul 14 2011 07:08 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Some Beltran thoughts from Buster Olney: Before Sandy Alderson closed out his deal with the Milwaukee Brewers, he made one last round of calls to other teams, diligently checking to see which team would give him the best financial deal in the salary dump of Francisco Rodriguez. He would've loved 50 cents on the dollar, but in the end, he wound up getting about 40 cents on the dollar from the Brewers, in order to run out from underneath the onerous $17.5 million contract option that scared everyone. But the Mets are giving off a very different vibe in their early discussions about Carlos Beltran, according to sources. The Mets believe they have the best available outfielder in a mediocre market for offensive players and are aiming to land a top prospect -- and they have indicated that they will keep the slugger until they get exactly what they want. It remains to be seen if the Mets' strategy can pay off, or if their early pre-trade deadline stance on Beltran will change. And as they begin to get deeper into discussions with the six or seven teams that have expressed serious interest, a major hurdle will be how much of the money still owed to Beltran -- about $8 million, at this point -- will be paid off by the Mets. But the Mets fully intend to get a prime prospect for Beltran and believe that some team in need of an upgrade will eventually submit to their demands because of Beltran's potential to impact a lineup. To review, Beltran's first-half numbers: .285 batting average, .377 on-base percentage, .503 slugging average. He has played in 89 games this year, eliminating doubts about whether he can hold up in 2011, and rival executives know that he is eligible for free agency in the fall and has every reason to thrive and remain in the everyday lineup. Beltran is hitting .337 with runners in scoring position and has a 1.020 OPS in those situations, which ranks 13th in the majors. The Giants would love to have him. He could help the Red Sox, although some executives wonder how Boston would fit him into its payroll without paying the luxury tax the team's owners work to avoid. The Yankees are not interested, but perhaps the Tigers are, and they have always been known to be more aggressive than most teams and not shy about taking on a big contract. Beltran could provide for the Rays the kind of offense they had hoped to get out of Manny Ramirez. The Indians aren't limiting themselves to small-budget options, and if the Braves got serious about Beltran, they'd be in position to offer a wider range of pitching prospects than any other team (and the fact that Alderson was willing to deal K-Rod to the Yankees tells you he's not concerned about dealing his assets to perceived rivals, if he thinks the trade works well for his side.) Beltran would fit the Pirates; heck, the way he's playing, he'd fit almost any team. And this is why the Mets have let it be known to other teams: Beltran will cost you, and if you don't want to say yes to our demands, we believe some other team will, and we will wait for that moment.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2011 07:25 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Go, Sandy. Can't remember the last time the Mets had a hammer in negotiations. You know, aside from the Nick Evans contract, etc.

Ceetar Jul 14 2011 07:49 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

It also appears to me, that Alderson isn't afraid to not trade him either. If the Mets gain 2+ games on the Braves in the next two weeks, if the crap they get back isn't worth it. Maybe that's just a ploy to make him not sound desperate, but still. It's also nice to see that Terry said something like "If players feel like the K-Rod trade is the organization giving up, and they stop giving it their all, they'll find someone else to take that spot."

Edgy DC Jul 14 2011 08:48 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I don't think they're being offered crap. Sandy has been repeatedly explicit that the team isn't waiving a white flag, and I expect him to hang onto Beltran as long as he can, and give the SHaMs a chance to earn Beltran's continued pressence. it's possible that he panics and is afraid his best offer is falling off the table, but I hope not.

Gwreck Jul 14 2011 10:43 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: the crap they get back The whole point is that Beltran is only going if they can get something OTHER than crap back.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 05:50 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: the crap they get back The whole point is that Beltran is only going if they can get something OTHER than crap back. Hard to tell what's a genuine leak and what's rumor and crap. There are certainly those saying the Mets _have_ to trade Beltran no matter what since they won't get draft picks. And hey, maybe 2 pretty pathetic 'prospects' is better than nothing if the Mets lose 5 games in the standings before August (not that I expect that)

Edgy DC Jul 15 2011 06:58 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Your optimism defintely doesn't see to apply to trade acquisitions.

TransMonk Jul 15 2011 07:38 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Buster Onley wrote: But the Mets are giving off a very different vibe in their early discussions about Carlos Beltran, according to sources. The Mets believe they have the best available outfielder in a mediocre market for offensive players and are aiming to land a top prospect -- and they have indicated that they will keep the slugger until they get exactly what they want. This attitude is awesome. it's really nice to be in this position.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 07:45 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: Your optimism defintely doesn't see to apply to trade acquisitions. Should it? How can you realistically analyze a trade before it happens?

Edgy DC Jul 15 2011 07:48 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

How can you realistically analyze a game before it happens? I guess you start by analyzing the positions the parties are working from. Realism and optimism make for challenging bedfellows. Optimism, I gather, is almsot all about your attitude toward something that hasn't happened yet.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 07:55 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: How can you realistically analyze a game before it happens? I guess you start by analyzing the positions the parties are working from. Realism and optimism make for challenging bedfellows. Optimism, I gather, is almsot all about your attitude toward something that hasn't happened yet. well the game I know the players do I not? I can look at a statsheet and note that Daniel Murphy is trending upwards, etc. There's just too many unknowns for trades. What's Alderson actually thinking that he doesn't tell anyone? Which team are we talking about? Is it now or in the offseason? Is the trade made with this year in mind? next year? just a dump of a player? And I don't really think I was being negative about it? I was suggesting I don't think that Alderson will trade Beltran for crap. And doesn't being optimistic that the Mets get a good haul mean being pessimistic about the Mets chances over the next two weeks?

Ashie62 Jul 15 2011 08:07 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

To me, the opportunity for the Mets to extricate themselves from Rodriguez was truly a gift from God. The San Francisco Giants have a young highly regarded corner OF named Brandon Belt. If Beltran were headed to the left coast thats who I want.

Edgy DC Jul 15 2011 08:08 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Well, you suggested the "crap" was a matter of fact, as if it's a question of whether they're crap that's worth it or crap that isn't, but they will be crap under any circumstances. And the "players" in a trade are the men (and presumably women) making the trade.

Chad Ochoseis Jul 15 2011 08:52 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

The Indians aren't limiting themselves to small-budget options Northeastern Ohio is beautiful this time of year. And the Indians are in a serious fight for the AL Central even without their starting RF, who is out for the season with a thumb injury. They've got 2B Jason Kipnis to give in return for Beltran. My Indians fan buddy says we can't have him. But, fortunately, he's not the Indians' GM.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 09:01 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Chad Ochoseis wrote: The Indians aren't limiting themselves to small-budget options Northeastern Ohio is beautiful this time of year. And the Indians are in a serious fight for the AL Central even without their starting RF, who is out for the season with a thumb injury. They've got 2B Jason Kipnis to give in return for Beltran. My Indians fan buddy says we can't have him. But, fortunately, he's not the Indians' GM. This reminds me of something, and it probably is more an offseason thing than a tradeline thing, but say they did get Kipnis. Where do Murphy and Turner go? Same argument if they get an OF guy back. We've got a fair amount of those messing around in the high-minors. Is a trade where we GET major league talent on the horizon?

Ashie62 Jul 15 2011 09:04 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Sandy wouldn't trade anyone for crap, would he?

Edgy DC Jul 15 2011 09:50 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: Is a trade where we GET major league talent on the horizon? See this sort of sarcasm is what I'm talking about? It's kind of stunning. What is it about? "Major talent"? I know we're not going to get Walter Johnson, but....

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 12:16 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Is a trade where we GET major league talent on the horizon? See this sort of sarcasm is what I'm talking about? It's kind of stunning. What is it about? "Major talent"? I know we're not going to get Walter Johnson, but.... Now you're just being difficult. Established major league player that's significantly above replacement for prospects/excess instead of established major league veteran for prospects/depth. A good percentage of trades are where one team is trading a established guy that makes the other team better, for prospects and depth chart guys. I wouldn't say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran for Hiroki Kuroda, but it seems like we're talking about trading him for futures. I'm merely talking about the possibility of something going the other direction.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 15 2011 12:27 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: I wouldn't say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran for Hiroki Kuroda... I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Hiroki Kuroda. I will LITERALLY go out on a limb and stake, say, my left hand on it.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 12:35 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 15 2011 12:37 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: I wouldn't say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran for Hiroki Kuroda... I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Hiroki Kuroda. I will LITERALLY go out on a limb and stake, say, my left hand on it. How about Jeremy Guthrie? (not happening, I just saw someone tweet that he could get traded this year)

Edgy DC Jul 15 2011 12:36 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Is a trade where we GET major league talent on the horizon? See this sort of sarcasm is what I'm talking about? It's kind of stunning. What is it about? "Major talent"? I know we're not going to get Walter Johnson, but.... Now you're just being difficult. Established major league player that's significantly above replacement for prospects/excess instead of established major league veteran for prospects/depth. A good percentage of trades are where one team is trading a established guy that makes the other team better, for prospects and depth chart guys. I wouldn't say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran for Hiroki Kuroda, but it seems like we're talking about trading him for futures. I'm merely talking about the possibility of something going the other direction. I don't think I'm being difficult at all. I truly don't get the sarcasm. The Mets have made a tremendous amount of trades of prospects for established veterans in the last decade. Some in the offseason like the package for Alomar, and some as the deadline approached like trading Evan MacLane for Shawn Green. We all know that if Carlos Beltran is going, it will be in a trade for developing talent, because if you want a table-ready dish for the final two months, you'd find it hard to do better than Beltran himself. That won't surprise anybody, because that's how those trades work. But if it must happen, it's not unthinkable that it could work well, is it?

attgig Jul 15 2011 12:36 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ashie62 wrote: The San Francisco Giants have a young highly regarded corner OF named Brandon Belt. If Beltran were headed to the left coast thats who I want. Chad Ochoseis wrote: They've got 2B Jason Kipnis to give in return for Beltran. My Indians fan buddy says we can't have him. But, fortunately, he's not the Indians' GM. either is fine, but I would be surprised if we can get either. We'd have to pretty much pay Beltran's salary to get Kipnis (indians have no $ flexibility), and the giants don't need our money that bad to offer Belt even if we're paying the whole thing.

Edgy DC Jul 15 2011 12:38 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I'd only trade Beltran for Belt if they agreed to throw in Ran.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 12:43 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Is a trade where we GET major league talent on the horizon? See this sort of sarcasm is what I'm talking about? It's kind of stunning. What is it about? "Major talent"? I know we're not going to get Walter Johnson, but.... Now you're just being difficult. Established major league player that's significantly above replacement for prospects/excess instead of established major league veteran for prospects/depth. A good percentage of trades are where one team is trading a established guy that makes the other team better, for prospects and depth chart guys. I wouldn't say it's impossible that we trade Carlos Beltran for Hiroki Kuroda, but it seems like we're talking about trading him for futures. I'm merely talking about the possibility of something going the other direction. I don't think I'm being difficult at all. I truly don't get the sarcasm. The Mets have made a tremendous amount of trades of prospects for established veterans in the last decade. Some in the offseason like the package for Alomar, and some as the deadline approached like trading Evan MacLane for Shawn Green. We all know that if Carlos Beltran is going, it will be in a trade for developing talent. That won't surprise anybody, because that's how those trades work. If they must happen, it's not unthinkable that it could work well, is it? I'm pretty sure i didn't suggest it couldn't work well. I feel like you're upset that i used the word 'crap'. Perhaps that's too ambigious, becuase I think the problem is you're assuming I'm saying something much worse than I actually am. crapshoot? longshot? low-impact player? just stick with the generic prospect?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 15 2011 12:46 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I like that Alderson's aiming high. I really do. But if he-- or any of you-- think that he's bringing home a cost-controlled blue-chipper for a 1/3 of a season of a right fielder who's worthless come October, then you're ACTUALLY high. Also, why on EARTH would the Mets aim for a right-now upgrade, Cee, when they're moving a right-now asset? If they're playing for this year, they're holding onto Beltran. If they're moving him, they're not aiming for Pelfrey II or a bullpen upgrade, dig?

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 12:50 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like that Alderson's aiming high. I really do. But if he-- or any of you-- think that he's bringing home a cost-controlled blue-chipper for a 1/3 of a season of a right fielder who's worthless come October, then you're ACTUALLY high. Also, why on EARTH would the Mets aim for a right-now upgrade, Cee, when they're moving a right-now asset? If they're playing for this year, they're holding onto Beltran. If they're moving him, they're not aiming for Pelfrey II or a bullpen upgrade, dig? I was more referring to guys like Justin Turner and Daniel Murphy. and Tejada. presumably one guy holds down 2B, Wright, Reyes, Ike. That's excess. Probably more of an offseason thing, but if the Mets fall out of it and see an opportunity to get a good pitcher with a couple of years left?

attgig Jul 15 2011 12:53 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: But if he-- or any of you-- think that he's bringing home a cost-controlled blue-chipper for a 1/3 of a season of a right fielder who's worthless come October, then you're ACTUALLY high. yeah, he struck out that one time... but its unfair to characterize him as worthless come october... http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ca01.shtml great post season numbers overall (obviously skewed by the time on the astros), but even his 07 post season numbers were pretty good. (978 ops)

attgig Jul 15 2011 12:55 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: I was more referring to guys like Justin Turner and Daniel Murphy. and Tejada. presumably one guy holds down 2B, Wright, Reyes, Ike. That's excess. Probably more of an offseason thing, but if the Mets fall out of it and see an opportunity to get a good pitcher with a couple of years left? but the names that you're throwing out there are from teams who are out of it and are looking to dump payroll to get prospects. the dodgers and o's aren't looking to add someone that they'll have to pay a lot and then lose for nothing next year. they're building for the future.

Ceetar Jul 15 2011 12:57 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

attgig wrote: But if he-- or any of you-- think that he's bringing home a cost-controlled blue-chipper for a 1/3 of a season of a right fielder who's worthless come October, then you're ACTUALLY high. yeah, he struck out that one time... but its unfair to characterize him as worthless come october... http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ca01.shtml great post season numbers overall (obviously skewed by the time on the astros), but even his 07 post season numbers were pretty good. (978 ops) you mean '06 no? he's got a 1.3 OPS in the postseason over 22 games. but I think he meant worthless come November.

attgig Jul 15 2011 01:01 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: But if he-- or any of you-- think that he's bringing home a cost-controlled blue-chipper for a 1/3 of a season of a right fielder who's worthless come October, then you're ACTUALLY high. yeah, he struck out that one time... but its unfair to characterize him as worthless come october... http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ca01.shtml great post season numbers overall (obviously skewed by the time on the astros), but even his 07 post season numbers were pretty good. (978 ops) you mean '06 no? he's got a 1.3 OPS in the postseason over 22 games. but I think he meant worthless come November. ooops. i meant '06. let's not talk about '07 again. and that 1.3 ops is with the astros as well and that sick series. the 978 ops was only in '06. so, even if we throw out the astros series, he was still pretty awesome in '06 post season, except for that last pitch...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 15 2011 01:07 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I wasn't denigrating his postseason work; I meant November. (As in, "He's inferior to most 'pennant-run' rentals as a commodity-- thanks to Omar and the no-arb clause-- because he's ONLY worth what he gives you on-field right now.")

Chad Ochoseis Jul 15 2011 02:39 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I wasn't denigrating his postseason work; I meant November. (As in, "He's inferior to most 'pennant-run' rentals as a commodity-- thanks to Omar and the no-arb clause-- because he's ONLY worth what he gives you on-field right now.") I'm not going to call Omar or any of the other schmucks in Met management to task for this one. The sides negotiated, they agreed on $17M per year for seven years plus a no-arb clause, Beltran got rich, and we got the best CF of the decade. I'd make this deal again, even with the no-arb clause at the end.

Edgy DC Jul 26 2011 08:58 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Rockies' trade deadline chip Jason Giambi pulled up with a strained hammy on an infield grounder last night. On one hand, that swings the market toward the remaining sellers that much more. On the other, it's a cautionary tale for sellers to move their players before they, too, come up hurt. Cubs --- specifically Carlos Peņa and Aramis Ramirez --- look to be dumping liberally.

Ceetar Jul 26 2011 09:04 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: Rockies' trade deadline chip Jason Giambi pulled up with a strained hammy on an infield grounder last night. On one hand, that swings the market toward the remaining sellers that much more. On the other, it's a cautionary tale for sellers to move their players before they, too, come up hurt. Cubs --- specifically Carlos Peņa and Aramis Ramirez --- look to be dumping liberally. Pena basically sucks. Ramirez could be interesting though, I've always liked him. Obviously not for the Mets, but couldbe interesting to see where he goes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 26 2011 09:38 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Was worried for a moment last nite that we'd lose our chance to deal Izzy.

Edgy DC Jul 26 2011 09:54 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

When he contorted himself to keep from crushing Murphy's skull?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 26 2011 10:13 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

During my intermittent radio coverage Wayne Hagin told me Izzy was hurt.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 26 2011 03:12 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Was worried for a moment last nite that we'd lose our chance to deal Izzy. I don't think that's happening. The righty reliever market being clogged and whatnot, what are the Mets likely to get for a fragile, non-dominant 38-year-old version? Now, Byrdak? Mebbe.

Ashie62 Jul 26 2011 05:12 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Renting out Beltran is going to return so little why not keep him for the fans and tell the other teams to fuck off.

themetfairy Jul 26 2011 07:09 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ashie62 wrote: Renting out Beltran is going to return so little why not keep him for the fans and tell the other teams to fuck off. I agree.

Ceetar Jul 26 2011 09:12 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

wait, why did the Nats trade for Gomes?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 26 2011 09:33 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

They didn't give up much, are getting paid to take him, and I guess, could use a RH bench power threat.

MFS62 Jul 26 2011 09:42 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: wait, why did the Nats trade for Gomes? To fuck up my KTE. Later

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 08:28 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ashie62 wrote: Renting out Beltran is going to return so little why not keep him for the fans and tell the other teams to fuck off. Because the fans don't ACTUALLY give enough of a crap to buy tickets between now and the end of September, sadly.

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 08:34 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

When did it become a fact that he was going to bring so little in return?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 08:41 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Really, man. Tracky today quoted an anonymous Met exec on the truth of reports they'd lowered their asking price: "Nope."

Ashie62 Jul 27 2011 08:48 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Beltran could be kept at 7 1/2 games back...

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 08:54 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Think it was an Olney quote that said they weren't getting top prospect. Whatever. someone obviously has to take the dissenting point, to seem like they're doing the work of reading every GMs mind. My intepretation of all the reports (which I'm not sure is any less accurate than anyone elses) is that if Alderson doesn't get someone he actually likes in return, he may just keep Beltran. Between his and Terry's quotes I think they're competing to fielding a competitive team, even if that's only the .500 competitive they've been doing for a while now. With the Mets OF struggling (Lucas Duda may be the next best OFer..which is..disturbing) maybe they keep him. Or maybe that's just the threat Alderson's using to get that top prospect. who knows?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2011 09:49 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Rockies' trade deadline chip Jason Giambi pulled up with a strained hammy on an infield grounder last night. On one hand, that swings the market toward the remaining sellers that much more. On the other, it's a cautionary tale for sellers to move their players before they, too, come up hurt. Cubs --- specifically Carlos Peņa and Aramis Ramirez --- look to be dumping liberally. Pena basically sucks. Ramirez could be interesting though, I've always liked him. Obviously not for the Mets, but couldbe interesting to see where he goes. Ramirez-- a 10-and-5 guy who has said publicly that he will not approve ANY trade-- ain't going nowhere.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 10:10 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen from the White Sox to the Blue Jays for Jason Frasor and minor league pitcher Zach Stewart.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 10:30 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

wow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 10:33 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Reports say Toronto is expected to swap Jackson to St. Louis for Colby Rasmus.

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 10:46 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Rasmus: Another young ballplayer that LaRussa doesn't like for no apparent reason (see Rolen, Scott)

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 10:48 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I cannot understand why the Cardinals would trade Rasmus.

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 10:51 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I'm guessing he's not a drinker. Isn't LaRussa at the end of his deal anyway?

DocTee Jul 27 2011 11:55 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Octavio Dotel and Corey Patterson join Jackson in St. Louis, Brian Tallet goes with Rasmus to Toronto, per ESPN

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2011 03:03 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

seawolf17 wrote: I cannot understand why the Cardinals would trade Rasmus. A whole lotta this. If they wanted to shore up their pitching, I'd have driven Gee to the Arch myself.

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 07:08 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Can anybody catch me up on the genesis of the LaRussa/Rasmus feud?

metirish Jul 27 2011 07:12 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

As much as there is positive vibes on twitter for the Beltran trade there is as much WTF vibes regarding the Rasmus deal.

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 07:14 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: Can anybody catch me up on the genesis of the LaRussa/Rasmus feud? I never did get the details but it's not something that just cropped up; it's been brewing since last year at least.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 07:15 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Can anybody catch me up on the genesis of the LaRussa/Rasmus feud? I never did get the details but it's not something that just cropped up; it's been brewing since last year at least. LaRussa thinks he's uncoachable; doesn't listen. Probably because he's too busy hitting the snot out of the ball.

metirish Jul 27 2011 07:21 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

As FK noted it goes back http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=11925 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... s-coaches/

attgig Jul 28 2011 08:15 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

just to stirr up the pot, do any other mets get traded now? I've heard izzy mentioned, but now shot down for mentoring purposes. I've also heard about capuano being a possible target, but never had any legs... anyone else get traded?

Ceetar Jul 28 2011 08:21 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

attgig wrote: just to stirr up the pot, do any other mets get traded now? I've heard izzy mentioned, but now shot down for mentoring purposes. I've also heard about capuano being a possible target, but never had any legs... anyone else get traded? Maybe Ruben Tejada?

Edgy DC Jul 28 2011 08:25 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I don't think Izzy's off the table at all. A lot of folks could go. With Voltran gone, Mets can tend to smaller business. I can see them moving a lot of folks or none. My top ten I'm mentally preparing to see go: 1. Isringhausen 2. Byrdak 3. Hairston 4. Harris 5. Pelfrey 6. Capuano 7. Paulino 8. Bay (if we're gotta eat it, why not now?) 9. Carrasco 10. Murphy

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2011 08:49 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I cannot understand why Capuano isn't up there among targets. Are all the contenders so happy with their starting pitching that they couldn't use an inexpensive, experienced, inexpensive lefty having a pretty good season?

attgig Jul 28 2011 08:51 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

fukudome to the indians. i guess since beltran didn't want to go there, fukudome was the best rental they could get (sucks for them :-/)

TransMonk Jul 28 2011 08:51 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I cannot understand why Capuano isn't up there among targets. Are all the contenders so happy with their starting pitching that they couldn't use an inexpensive, experienced, inexpensive lefty having a pretty good season? Agreed.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2011 08:55 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I like that i used inexpensive twice in that sentence.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2011 08:59 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

attgig wrote: fukudome to the indians. i guess since beltran didn't want to go there, fukudome was the best rental they could get (sucks for them :-/) Last one out of Wrigley please turn off the lights.

metirish Jul 28 2011 09:00 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I like that i used inexpensive twice in that sentence. I think it really hammers home your point, I think.

Edgy DC Jul 28 2011 09:03 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Tell us how you really feel, Lunch!

MFS62 Jul 28 2011 09:16 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Here'a a thought. Do you think Ichiro will be moved? Seattle needs a lot of help. Later

attgig Jul 28 2011 09:18 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

not sure what the astros want: Yesterday we learned that the Phillies offered Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and a second-tier pitching prospect for Hunter Pence, but the Astros did not pull the trigger. Domonic Brown may have been available as well, but appears Pence will remain with Houston until the offseason at least. The latest: The Braves are the last team in on Pence, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. The Phillies "seem to have all but given up" on Pence after their big offer was rejected. from mlb trade rumors. i kinda like that the phillies can't get any better, but i don't like how they get to keep their prospects.

Ceetar Jul 28 2011 09:19 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

attgig wrote: not sure what the astros want: Yesterday we learned that the Phillies offered Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and a second-tier pitching prospect for Hunter Pence, but the Astros did not pull the trigger. Domonic Brown may have been available as well, but appears Pence will remain with Houston until the offseason at least. The latest: The Braves are the last team in on Pence, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. The Phillies "seem to have all but given up" on Pence after their big offer was rejected. from mlb trade rumors. i kinda like that the phillies can't get any better, but i don't like how they get to keep their prospects. perhaps it's because their prospects suck?

attgig Jul 28 2011 09:20 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

MFS62 wrote: Here'a a thought. Do you think Ichiro will be moved? Seattle needs a lot of help. Later that would be interesting. i wonder if the playoffs would convince ichiro to go somewhere else. i believe he would have no trade rights in his contract with lots of perks for flying to/fro japan. Only problem is, I don't see him approving a trade to go east.

TransMonk Jul 28 2011 09:27 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

He's a 10/5 guy, so he can veto any trade.

Edgy DC Jul 28 2011 09:50 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ichiro to the Yankees would make some sense, but he's signed through next year, is having a terrible year, and making a fortune. If the Mets started talking about Ichiro for Bay, the Mariners would have to listen. That's what a load he's become.

Gwreck Jul 28 2011 09:53 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Edgy DC wrote: If the Mets started talking about Ichiro for Bay, the Mariners would have to listen. That's what a load he's become. Ichiro is signed through 2012 at $17 M/year. Bay is signed through 2013 at $16M/year, plus the vesting option for 2014.

Ashie62 Jul 28 2011 09:56 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I cannot understand why Capuano isn't up there among targets. Are all the contenders so happy with their starting pitching that they couldn't use an inexpensive, experienced, inexpensive lefty having a pretty good season? Maybe cause Capuano sucks it?

attgig Jul 28 2011 10:25 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/a ... +Rumors%29 After snagging Zack Wheeler for Carlos Beltran, Mets GM Sandy Alderson is probably done dealing this month. He told reporters he doesn't expect more trades "unless something extraordinary comes up," as he's reluctant to make it tougher on the current club. So, those hoping to pluck Chris Capuano, Tim Byrdak, or Jason Isringhausen can probably stand down.

Vic Sage Jul 28 2011 10:39 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

i'm sure they could be plucked, if a team were willing to overpay for them. But Sandy isn't just going to dump them for bodies. And that's fine with me.

attgig Jul 28 2011 10:51 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

I doubt anyone would overpay for those guys unless a big injury happens.

Ceetar Jul 28 2011 09:23 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Haha, I pissed off the beat writers by responding to their silly bickering with a "who reads newspapers anymore?" tweet.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 29 2011 04:29 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: Haha, I pissed off the beat writers by responding to their silly bickering with a "who reads newspapers anymore?" tweet. HEY! LOTS of people read newspapers!

seawolf17 Jul 29 2011 12:42 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Ceetar wrote: Haha, I pissed off the beat writers by responding to their silly bickering with a "who reads newspapers anymore?" tweet. Saw that; excellently done.

metsmarathon Jul 29 2011 02:48 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

hunter pence is a little overrated isn't he?

DocTee Jul 29 2011 03:49 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

hunter pence is a little overrated isn't he? Yup. If he brings a better--or even comparable--haul than BelchRon, I'd be stunned. And pissed.

Gwreck Jul 29 2011 03:57 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

He won't be a free agent until after the 2013 season however. That's a big difference.

seawolf17 Jul 29 2011 06:08 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Plus he's only 28. I'd be surprised if he didn't bring more than Beltran.

Gwreck Jul 29 2011 07:23 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Pence was pulled in the middle of the game tonight and apparently about to go to the Phillies.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2011 07:25 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Gwreck wrote: Pence was pulled in the middle of the game tonight and apparently about to go to the Phillies. F that guy.

metirish Jul 29 2011 07:26 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

If you win the WS it's worth it I suppose but I'd hate to be giving up top prospects for Pence The "headline pieces," in this case, would appear to be the Phillies top pitching prospect, Jarred Cosart, and their top hitting prospect, Jonathan Singleton. The Phillies made those two the centerpieces of their original offer for Pence early this week.

Nymr83 Jul 29 2011 09:57 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

do their prospects just suck? i'm suprised Pence is worth someone's two best prospects.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2011 10:39 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Their prospects are toolsy, but kinda suck these days. And I'm increasingly convinced that Ed Wade is still working for the Phils (having finally found an organizational role in which he can excel).

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2011 10:49 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Cosart & Singleton are good (from what I hear ... what do I know?) prospects but they're also in low A meaning still a ways away and therefore a bit more iffy. I guess Pence means, for now, less playing time for rookies Brown & Mayberry in RF plus maybe some R/L platooning with Ibanez in LF. Then he essentially replaces Ibanez in 2012. Sounds like a good move for both sides given their specific needs. Pence is like the anti-Beltran in that he usually gets the job done but looks like an untamed colt out there, all arms & legs & effort in total contrast to Carlos's smoothness and efficiency.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2011 10:53 PM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

Frayed Knot wrote: Pence is like the anti-Beltran in that he usually gets the job done but looks like an untamed colt out there, all arms & legs & effort in total contrast to Carlos's smoothness and efficiency. He's also like the anti-Beltran insofar as he walks less than a convalescent suburbanite with the gout.

Ashie62 Jul 30 2011 04:20 AM Re: Dead Tradeline 2011

[url]http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/30976791 A very good team just got that much better. Pence .308 11HR 62RBI and he runs well, albeit goofy. Only 28 years old and in our division for a long time.