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Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

G-Fafif Jun 28 2011 09:23 PM

As you probably know, Cleon Jones batted .340 in 1969, an unassailable team record for nearly three decades. Then John Olerud came along in 1998 and batted .354, smashing Cleon's record and establishing a standard I for one never thought would be neared. But it's half a season just about and it's being neared. Let us track how the Mets' most above-average player is doing when it comes to average. BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 79 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .354 2011: REYES -- .349 1998: Olerud -- .326

dinosaur jesus Jun 28 2011 09:35 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

I'd love to see it. Olerud was only getting started, by the way. He hit .378 the rest of the season. That guy could hit.

G-Fafif Jun 28 2011 09:51 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Olerud was just finishing up his only bad month -- only sub-.300 month -- of 1998 that June, when he hit .222. He really did pour it on late, batting .413 in September.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2011 04:57 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 29 2011 06:50 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

300/400/500. That's really beautiful when a guy does that.

G-Fafif Jun 30 2011 03:17 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 80 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .352 2011: REYES -- .349 1998: Olerud -- .328

G-Fafif Jun 30 2011 04:56 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 81 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .352 (.3519) 2011: REYES -- .352 (.3517) 1998: Olerud -- .330

G-Fafif Jul 02 2011 02:51 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 82 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .352 1969: Jones -- .347 1998: Olerud -- .326

G-Fafif Jul 02 2011 06:32 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 83 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .354 1969: Jones -- .346 1998: Olerud -- .326

G-Fafif Jul 03 2011 05:59 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 84 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .354 1969: Jones -- .349 1998: Olerud -- .325

G-Fafif Jul 04 2011 11:13 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 85 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .354 1969: Jones -- .350 1998: Olerud -- .320

G-Fafif Jul 06 2011 12:15 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 86 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .354 1969: Jones -- .349 1998: Olerud -- .330 Ten-point leap for Oly, going 4-for-4 in the 86th game of the 1998 season, the same night Todd Hundley returned from the DL and mastered left field.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2011 07:15 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Gilkey 1996 is down to .302. Wright 2007 is at .293, with his best yet to come.

G-Fafif Jul 07 2011 12:19 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 87 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .354 1969: Jones -- .345 1998: Olerud -- .328 In case you're beginning to wonder, Jose has enough plate appearances right now to keep him eligible for the batting title through 122 games. (Biting my tongue even as we speak.)

G-Fafif Jul 08 2011 02:25 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Batting average tracker suspended until Jose is again batting.

Ceetar Jul 19 2011 07:56 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 96 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .355 1969: Jones -- .342 1998: Olerud -- .323

G-Fafif Jul 21 2011 01:17 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 97 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .350 1969: Jones -- .344 1998: Olerud -- .324

G-Fafif Jul 21 2011 01:19 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 98 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .349 1969: Jones -- .346 1998: Olerud -- .325

G-Fafif Jul 22 2011 11:11 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 99 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .349 1969: Jones -- .346 1998: Olerud -- .323 This is the nadir for Olerud's BA. Watch out!

Edgy DC Jul 23 2011 08:52 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Always nice to see a Met living on such a lofty plane that he goes 2-6 only to see his batting average drop.

G-Fafif Jul 23 2011 09:42 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 100 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .352 1969: Jones -- .346 1998: Olerud -- .325

G-Fafif Jul 24 2011 04:32 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 101 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .353 1969: Jones -- .348 1998: Olerud -- .328

G-Fafif Jul 25 2011 11:35 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 102 NYM Games 2011: REYES -- .351 1969: Jones -- .350 1998: Olerud -- .329

G-Fafif Jul 26 2011 11:08 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 103 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .347 2011: REYES -- .346 1998: Olerud -- .334 Closest three-man gap since we began tracking 24 days ago.

G-Fafif Jul 27 2011 10:20 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 104 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .351 2011: REYES -- .347 1998: Olerud -- .337

G-Fafif Jul 29 2011 05:31 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 105 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .352 2011: REYES -- .343 1998: Olerud -- .336

G-Fafif Jul 29 2011 10:44 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 106 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .351 2011: REYES -- .343 1998: Olerud -- .338

G-Fafif Jul 30 2011 09:56 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 107 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .350 2011: REYES -- .340 (.339901) 1998: Olerud -- .340 (.339779) Oly on a tear, Jose in a swoon.

G-Fafif Jul 31 2011 04:44 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2011 11:13 PM

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 108 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .350 2011: REYES -- .341 1998: Olerud -- .340

batmagadanleadoff Jul 31 2011 05:42 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 107 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .350 2011: REYES -- .341 1998: Olerud -- .340 BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 107 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .350 2011: REYES -- .34146 1990: Magadan --.3405 1998: Olerud -- .33978 =

G-Fafif Aug 01 2011 11:19 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 109 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .353 2011: REYES -- .340 1990: Magadan -- .338 (.338028) 1998: Olerud -- .338 (.337838)

G-Fafif Aug 02 2011 10:58 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 110 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .351 1998: Olerud -- .340 2011: REYES -- .339 NOTE: Dave Magadan 0-3 vs. Cubs, falls to .334.

G-Fafif Aug 05 2011 11:31 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 111 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .351 1998: Olerud -- .342 2011: REYES -- .336 NOTE: Dave Magadan 0-4 vs. Cubs in 1990, falls to .330.

G-Fafif Aug 07 2011 12:43 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 112 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .351 1998: Olerud -- .343 2011: REYES -- .337 1990: Magdan -- .329

G-Fafif Aug 07 2011 05:07 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 113 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .348 1998: Olerud -- .344 2011: REYES -- .336 1990: Magdan -- .329

Ashie62 Aug 07 2011 05:40 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Dave Magadan..wow..

batmagadanleadoff Aug 07 2011 05:52 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 113 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .348 1998: Olerud -- .344 2011: REYES -- .336 1990: Magdan -- .329 BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 113 NYM Games 2000: Piazza -- .351 (In 2000, Piazza was MVP bound until he wore down over the last four or five weeks of the season). 1969: Jones -- .348 1998: Olerud -- .344 2011: REYES -- .336 1990: Magdan -- .329

G-Fafif Aug 09 2011 01:44 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Dear Jose's Hamstring, You're making gaining 19 points on John Olerud's final 1998 average very difficult.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2011 08:48 PM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 132 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .351 1998: Olerud -- .344 2011: REYES -- .336 Get hot. Stay hot.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2011 04:42 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

BEST SINGLE-SEASON BATTING AVERAGE IN METS HISTORY Through 133 NYM Games 1969: Jones -- .348 1998: Olerud -- .343 2011: REYES -- .335

G-Fafif Aug 31 2011 07:55 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

After doing the math, it saddens me to announce the dream is essentially over. To edge John Olerud's team record batting average of .354 (.35368), Jose Reyes would need 53 hits in 126 at-bats over the Mets' final 29 games, meaning he'd have to bat .420 the rest of the way to finish at .354 (.35409). That's assuming Terry Collins starts him every day, which he's said he won't, and that he gets about as many ABs per game as he's gotten thus far in 2011. Then there's the little matter of batting .420 over 29 games. At their hottest down their respective standard-setting stretches, Lance Johnson batted .411 in 29 games in 1996 and John Olerud batted .406 in 27 games in 1998 (while Moises Alou, during his 30-game hitting streak of late 2007, batted .403). It would seem a bit much to ask Jose to top those searing paces from here on out. He certainly has motivation to finish strong (besides the fact that he's a professional and every player should want to finish strong), but it's a lot of ground to make up, even with the healthiest of hamstrings. Here's hoping he catches Cleon at least -- and tops all 2011 comers from all other teams, of course.

Ceetar Aug 31 2011 08:18 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

G-Fafif wrote: After doing the math, it saddens me to announce the dream is essentially over. To edge John Olerud's team record batting average of .354 (.35368), Jose Reyes would need 53 hits in 126 at-bats over the Mets' final 29 games, meaning he'd have to bat .420 the rest of the way to finish at .354 (.35409). That's assuming Terry Collins starts him every day, which he's said he won't, and that he gets about as many ABs per game as he's gotten thus far in 2011. Then there's the little matter of batting .420 over 29 games. At their hottest down their respective standard-setting stretches, Lance Johnson batted .411 in 29 games in 1996 and John Olerud batted .406 in 27 games in 1998 (while Moises Alou, during his 30-game hitting streak of late 2007, batted .403). It would seem a bit much to ask Jose to top those searing paces from here on out. He certainly has motivation to finish strong (besides the fact that he's a professional and every player should want to finish strong), but it's a lot of ground to make up, even with the healthiest of hamstrings. Here's hoping he catches Cleon at least -- and tops all 2011 comers from all other teams, of course. I was resigned to this with the last DL stint. He's still got a shot at the NL title though at least.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 31 2011 08:48 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

Yeah, I'm more interested in his battle with Ryan Braun than I am with the Cleon/Olerud thing. Jose winning a batting title would be as big a chunk of Mets history, if not bigger, as his setting a new club record.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2011 09:16 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

I'd go with "as big". Win a batting title and you've beaten an entire league for one season. Set a team record and you've beaten an entire franchise for fifty seasons. I think I was more turned on by Hundley setting the NYM HR mark in 1996 than I was by Kingman and HoJo leading the league in 1982 and 1991, respectively. Though it was all good.

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2011 10:08 AM Re: Jose vs. Cleon vs. Oly

I'm more disappointed that the two DL stints ruined his shot at the triples record - or at least a place high up on the list one triples in a season.