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Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

bmfc1
Jul 03 2011 10:07 AM

Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose.

bmfc1
Jul 03 2011 10:35 AM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

Beltran makes it as a reserve.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 03 2011 10:38 AM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

Nice! I hope he's healthy enough to actually play!

Gwreck
Jul 03 2011 12:26 PM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

I'm not sure Beltran deserves to be there over, say, Andrew McCutchen.

seawolf17
Jul 03 2011 01:11 PM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

Gwreck wrote:
I'm not sure Beltran deserves to be there over, say, Andrew McCutchen.

Nah, he's earned it. That's an extra prospect we get in the trade, now, too.

metsmarathon
Jul 05 2011 02:32 PM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

if you want to look at the all star outfield spots by position, instead of as one lumped group, then carlos beltran deserves it. he's the 2nd best right fielder in the NL this year at 2.9 WAR to upton's 3.0.

i decided to run an exercise whereby i identified the top two players at each position, as well as the best player on each team, and tried to populate an allstar team with the results. i also looked at the top 8 starters and, reluctantly, the top 4 relievers, to mirror the makeup of the current all star game rosters.

here's what i get - i'll start with the AL:

for the most part, the top two position players takes care of things. only oakland, minnesota, and chicago are left out. but minnesota and chicago have the third-best centerfielder and shortstop, respectively. so it's really only oakland that mucks up the works. but we need another pitcher so gio gonzalez gets the nod, and prevents me from chosing between 1.1 war relievers.
as the rangers' best player, ian kinsler joins the squad. his teammates adrian beltre and cj wilson are among the tops in their positions, but i figured the best player on each team should play. and it's not like he hurts the roster.

so, by doing all of that, i ended up with a good, full roster.

well, sortof. i thought, hmm. what would i have to do to get jeter on the roster. well, i'd have to add a provision for living legends, i guess. well, arod kindof takes care of that for the AL, right? so we'll have two living legends. and that way derek jeter can join the squad.

in the NL, things go about as smoothly. florida, houston, and chicago get left out in the cold from the top-two position players. but gaby sanchez is the 3rd best first baseman, and while michael bourn is the 4th best centerfielder, we'd already got plenty of phillies, so shane victorino's 4.4 WAR can suck it. the cubs' best pitcher is matt garza, and even though we've already got sean marshall in the relief corps, i feel compelled to bring along the best cub as well. plus, he's better than gio gonzalez. and as the 11th best starter in the nl, he's not missing by much.
as the best padre, cameron maybin joins the party as well, though he's a weak candidate. i suppose i could give his spot to victorino, but he's a douche.

and thanks to derek jeter, we give our living legend spot to chipper jones. he's got 86 career WAR to jeter's 73, ya know. and since jeter was only the 2nd most legendary player in his league, we also get to add albert pujols and his 85 career WAR.

jeter sits behind national leaguers scott rolen (74) and pudge rodriguez (73) on the WAR leader board, and is lucky that andruw jones (70) isn't getting much playing time, or he'd be at risk of losing his AL legend spot.

anyways, my rosters:

AL:
[table:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]pos[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]#1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]#2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]other[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]more[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]c[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]avila[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.7[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]wieters[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1b[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]gonzalez[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]cabrera[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2b[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]pedroia[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]zobrist[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]kinsler[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.6[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]ss[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]peralta[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]cabrera[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]ramirez[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]jeter[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]0.4[/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3b[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]rodriguez[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]beltre[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]rf[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]bautista[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]5.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]joyce[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.5[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]boesch[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.5[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]cf[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]granderson[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.6[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]ellsbury[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]span[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.7[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]lf[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]gordon[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]gardner[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]dh[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]ortiz[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]weaver[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]haren[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]robertson[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]gonzalez[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.2[/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]sabathia[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]hernandez[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]rivera[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]verlander[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.7[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]wilson[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]papelbon[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]price[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]shields[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][/table:1u60ff4g]

NL:
[table:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]pos[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]#1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]#2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]other[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]more[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]war[/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]c[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]mccann[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]montero[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.5[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1b[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]votto[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.7[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]fielder[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.6[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]sanchez[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.6[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]pujols[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.5[/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2b[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]weeks[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]espinosa[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]ss[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]reyes[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]5.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]tulowitzki[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.7[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3b[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]sandoval[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.4[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]headley[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]jones[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]0.6[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]rf[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]upton[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]beltran[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]cf[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]mccutchen[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]kemp[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.5[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]bourn[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]lf[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]braun[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.1[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]holliday[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]maybin[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]halladay[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]4.7[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]hudson[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]kimbrel[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]garza[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.4[/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]hamels[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.8[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]lincecum[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.2[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]axford[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]kershaw[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.6[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]zimmerman[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]marshall[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][tr:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]p[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]lee[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]3.5[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]bumgarner[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]2.9[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]venters[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g]1.3[/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][td:1u60ff4g][/td:1u60ff4g][/tr:1u60ff4g][/table:1u60ff4g]

Edgy DC
Jul 05 2011 02:36 PM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

Think he'll appear?

G-Fafif
Jul 05 2011 04:47 PM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

Good ESPN piece here on longtime, relatively distinguished players who never made an All-Star team, including Mets Todd Zeile and Mike Torrez.

Ashie62
Jul 05 2011 05:00 PM
Re: Jose Reyes, Your All Star Game Starting SS

Edgy DC wrote:
Think he'll appear?


I'm gonna say Reyes has played his last game til after the break, fine by me.