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Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fans

Yes

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No

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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 11 2011 07:43 AM

Pirates have a few pretty good prospects and are 1 game back of loathsome Milwaukee and boring St. Louis in the NL Central race. They could use our help and us theirs. Let's get behind the Bucs here and give them the difference-making right fielder they need to hurtle beyond their shit-eating NL Central brethren and the division title that's eluded them for 20 years. We'll take P Jameson Taillon and/or OF Sterling Marte if we must.

metirish Jul 11 2011 07:47 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Yes on both , will easily root for the Pirates ...... who owns the Pirates?, whoever it is they deserve some credit for sticking with Neal Huntington.

TransMonk Jul 11 2011 07:49 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

If we have to trade him, I'd rather him have a better chance at a ring.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 11 2011 07:54 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

When we were at the Pirates game Edgy remarked that the one separating factor between us and them was that we had Beltran and they didn't have anything quite as good. Garrett Jones and Xavier Paul are playing right field for them, and even tho they're doing OK upgrading to Beltran would be an enormous lift for everyone. Heck, we might have to be forced to take 22-year-old Jose Tabata back. Trading therm Jason Bay just wouldn't be the same.

G-Fafif Jul 11 2011 07:58 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'm in a "hands off" mode when they start talking about Carlos, as in "get your grubby hands off our All-Star right fielder," so no. But it's an intriguing thought. It was in Pittsburgh that Beltran, having an All-Star year in 2009, first had to start sitting out games en route to missing significant time. Also in Pittsburgh where he slugged in an All-Star Game. They have my N.L. Central support and all, but still. Mets fans pulling for the Bucs...what's this post-realignment world coming to?

Willets Point Jul 11 2011 08:27 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I like Beltran. I like him as a Met. But logically he is not part of the Mets future and his value in a trade is not going to get any higher than it is now. The Mets need to plan for their future and I think that should start with trading Beltran for well-scouted, talented young players. However, keep your hands of my Reyes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 11 2011 08:31 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I could get into some of this [Starling Marte] is built in the mold of Darryl Strawberry, a sleek, athletic 6 feet 2, 179 pounds. He has the speed and grace of an Omar Moreno, the kind seldom seen with that size. He already can cover as much of center field -- maybe even more -- than Andrew McCutchen. And his arm, already the Pirates' best at any level among outfielders ... well, no need to go there. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10073/10 ... z1Ro6kB6wh

metirish Jul 11 2011 08:47 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

No pressure on young Marte with that write up.

TransMonk Jul 11 2011 09:07 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

As I was speaking this weekend to non-Mets fans about Beltran going to the AS Game, it finally hit home how much I am going to miss Beltran when he is gone and what an under-appreciated all-time Met he is. My goal for the next few weeks is to take advantage of watching as many remaining Beltran at bats as I can.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 11 2011 10:33 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

If Beltran's to be a Buc: 1) The Mets will likely have to eat most/all of his remaining salary. 2) Salary having been eaten... they ain't getting no Tabata back. (Anything resembling a Tabata that they'd get would be, like, low-A with swing problems.)

Edgy DC Jul 11 2011 10:40 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I could get into some of this [Starling Marte] is built in the mold of Darryl Strawberry, a sleek, athletic 6 feet 2, 179 pounds. He has the speed and grace of an Omar Moreno, the kind seldom seen with that size. He already can cover as much of center field -- maybe even more -- than Andrew McCutchen. And his arm, already the Pirates' best at any level among outfielders ... well, no need to go there. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10073/10 ... z1Ro6kB6wh 6'2" 179 sounds more like young Jose Reyes than Darryl Strawb.

seawolf17 Jul 11 2011 10:43 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I could get into some of this [Starling Marte] is built in the mold of Darryl Strawberry, a sleek, athletic 6 feet 2, 179 pounds. He has the speed and grace of an Omar Moreno, the kind seldom seen with that size. He already can cover as much of center field -- maybe even more -- than Andrew McCutchen. And his arm, already the Pirates' best at any level among outfielders ... well, no need to go there. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10073/10 ... z1Ro6kB6wh 6'2" 179 sounds more like young Jose Reyes than Darryl Strawb. Or...

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2011 10:48 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Yeah, Beltran as a Pirate is unlikely for several reasons: - money and the diminishing haul of prospects you'd get the less of it you're willing to eat - his no-trade power which he could use to block deals to non-contenders (or questionable contenders) I also think it's safe to say that we're not getting Taillon. Don't know much about this Starling Marte guy although John Sickels wasn't quite as high on him prior to this season as the article in that above link. Good athlete but the power and plate discipline are both questioned. Hitting decently in AA this year though few walks and HRs A quick glance at the Pitt system from a few months back http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/1/3 ... s-for-2011

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 11 2011 11:48 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Being a tiny bit facetious here. It's more like, IF we gotta trade Betran, then to whom would it be most palatable, and which package of prospects can we then soak them most for.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 11 2011 11:56 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'm pretty sure my temperature killed my humor reserves for the month. If anyone's got some to spare, that would be great. (Also, coffee. Also, also, bread. We really need to do some shopping.) Also, also, also... I think I'd rather super-stack a non-Phils team, like the Jints, in the partial service of ruining the next year-or-two for them (y'know, when their payroll takes that job over for us).

TransMonk Jul 11 2011 12:03 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'm agreed, I'd like to see him go to the Jints. They have a couple of nice looking A-level teenaged starters. I'd be happy to take one and pay some cash to see Carlos play by the bay.

Vic Sage Jul 11 2011 12:15 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

yeah, with Beltran's no-trade, he'll likely veto any team that isn't a clear playoff contender. Plus any team getting him owes about $6M due after 7/31st, and he is unrestricted FA with no draft picks going to them if they don't re-sign. So, its a PURE rental for a big-market team 1 bat short of a playoff run. I don't know that we can get very much in that scenario, even if we pick up some of the $6M. But if we can get at least 1 blue chip prospect, we should absolutely do it.

Ceetar Jul 11 2011 12:18 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Vic Sage wrote: yeah, with Beltran's no-trade, he'll likely veto any team that isn't a clear playoff contender. Plus any team getting him owes about $6M due after 7/31st, and he is unrestricted FA with no draft picks going to them if they don't re-sign. So, its a PURE rental for a big-market team 1 bat short of a playoff run. I don't know that we can get very much in that scenario, even if we pick up some of the $6M. But if we can get at least 1 blue chip prospect, we should absolutely do it. Are we sure it's $6million? Beltran deferred some of his salary this year, so does that deferred salary only apply to the "Mets portion?" Or is it all deferred and closer to $4million?

Ashie62 Jul 11 2011 12:43 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

The best the Mets may be able to do in Trading Beltran is save two months of salary. He is a pure rental. You are not likely to land much of a prospect. Anyone for keeping Carlos and resigning him? You need an RF.

metsmarathon Jul 11 2011 12:46 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

if we do decide to trade him away, i see no reason why we necessarily wouldn't entertain bringing beltran back.

Edgy DC Jul 11 2011 12:46 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'm certainly for keeping him. Re-signing him would be a decision for the offseason.

Ceetar Jul 11 2011 12:49 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

metsmarathon wrote: if we do decide to trade him away, i see no reason why we necessarily wouldn't entertain bringing beltran back. Wouldn't lose a draft pick for doing so.

attgig Jul 11 2011 01:05 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

it seems like duda's bat is getting an extended look for the majors once carlos is gone. We also have kirk, evans, and there still is fmart who seem deserving of regular ab's. I don't see us keeping beltran around next year.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 11 2011 01:30 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Going into the season, Carlos seemed certain to be an ex-Met by 2012. Now, I'm not so sure. It's probably still the more likely outcome, but I can see the possibility of him returning.

Gwreck Jul 11 2011 01:48 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I would offer Beltran 2 years at, say, $7.5M a year. Would he get more from an AL team that could put him at DH if necessary? Probably.

Ceetar Jul 11 2011 01:55 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Gwreck wrote: I would offer Beltran 2 years at, say, $7.5M a year. Would he get more from an AL team that could put him at DH if necessary? Probably. I think that's too much. But I don't think his ego (Boras) would settle for even that much of a paycut. I'd like the second year to be an option of some sort. (Not vesting, I fully believe there should be no vesting options in MLB) The thing is, if the Mets are in any sort of financial budget that they need to be careful what they spend on, I'm pretty sure offense is pretty low down on the list.

Gwreck Jul 11 2011 04:35 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Ceetar wrote: Gwreck wrote: I would offer Beltran 2 years at, say, $7.5M a year. Would he get more from an AL team that could put him at DH if necessary? Probably. I think that's too much. But I don't think his ego (Boras) would settle for even that much of a paycut. So....you want the Mets to re-sign him? You want him re-signed cheap but don't think he will? You don't want the Mets to re-sign him? What's your actual opinion here?

Ceetar Jul 11 2011 05:30 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Gwreck wrote: Gwreck wrote: I would offer Beltran 2 years at, say, $7.5M a year. Would he get more from an AL team that could put him at DH if necessary? Probably. I think that's too much. But I don't think his ego (Boras) would settle for even that much of a paycut. So....you want the Mets to re-sign him? You want him re-signed cheap but don't think he will? You don't want the Mets to re-sign him? What's your actual opinion here? depends if you're asking emotional, logistically, or something else.. I want him to end his career with the Mets, have a couple more good years and go up on the wall. I'm not sure a player of his age with the lack of cartilidge in his knee (though maybe he's found a way to manage that) can be given a multi-year contract. Especially if the Mets are truly going to have to pick and choose the holes they fill, budget-wise. Offense probably won't be a problem next year, even if they downgrade to Duda/Evans/Fmart, etc. On the other hand, if they 'can' afford it, you have a decent shot of calling one of those guys up and them being helpful, so that the risk of injury to Beltran is not that big a deal, they've got the horses to cope. But I'm not hopeful, as much as I truly believe Beltran does like it here, that he'll sign somewhere south of 2 years/20 million, which I think might be above what's financially wise for the Mets. Actually, I pretty much wrote just that, back in February, before he even moved to RF. Beltran in 2012

Farmer Ted Jul 12 2011 01:52 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Rangers fan in the office (really) says Beltran to Texas for Tanner Scheppers (Rangers first round pitcher from 2009) is a hot topic on the airwaves in Dallas. Hamilton or Beltran to roam center; Endy not cutting it. Do we have a trade rumor thread?

bmfc1 Jul 12 2011 02:00 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Jonah Keri: Mets should trade Carlos Beltran to Rangers for Tanner Scheppers and Michael Kirkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Rang ... _Scheppers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kirkman Scheppers has had injury problems: http://rangers.scout.com/a.z?s=324&p=9& ... 0653&fhn=1 Scheppers video: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic ... id=7150811 Kirkman has a great year in 2010: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... rkma001mic

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 12 2011 02:37 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Tanner Schleppers sounds like a brand of beach tote bag.

G-Fafif Jul 12 2011 02:42 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

TransMonk Jul 12 2011 02:58 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

bmfc1 wrote: Jonah Keri: Mets should trade Carlos Beltran to Rangers for Tanner Scheppers and Michael Kirkman I'd pull the trigger on that pretty quickly.

TransMonk Jul 13 2011 08:06 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Brian Wilson likes Beltran to Giants ESPN New York wrote: PHOENIX -- San Francisco Giants closer Brian Wilson hears his club may be interested in New York Mets right fielder Carlos Beltran. Wilson is all for it. "He's a pretty awesome hitter," Wilson said after notching the save as the National League beat the American League, 5-1, on Tuesday night at Chase Field. "I have no qualms about it. Come on over. I don't want to be the guy that's traded, though. OK? Let's make sure that doesn't happen." Beltran, along with Mets teammate Jose Reyes, had accompanied the Giants contingent from San Francisco to Arizona after the teams completed the first half with a series. Wilson had made similar comments while reading the NL lineup on Fox, introducing Beltran as a player the Giants need to acquire. "I didn't see that. I didn't hear that, either," Beltran said. "I mean, I know there's been a lot of rumors -- different cities. They always say I might end up in this city, in that city. But right now I'm part of the New York Mets, and we're playing good baseball." The Mets enter the second half one game over .500. They trail the division-leading Philadelphia Phillies by 11 games and the wild card-leading Braves by 7½ games. Where will Beltran be in a month? "Where? I hope so in New York," Beltran replied. "I hope we continue to play good baseball. But, at the same time, if the team starts not playing good baseball, something might happen -- not only with me, but with a few of the other guys, like Francisco [Rodriguez]. They have mentioned Jose Reyes. But right now we cannot worry about that. We need to continue to play the game hard and focus on trying to win ballgames." Later Tuesday, Rodriguez was traded with cash to Milwaukee for two players to be named.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 13 2011 08:14 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

My friend the Pirates fan refuses to trade Marte for Beltran but he appreciates my offer.

TransMonk Jul 20 2011 10:22 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Carlos to the Phillies would be pretty hard to swallow. But, Dominic Brown would be a nice lozenge.

soupcan Jul 20 2011 10:26 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

TransMonk wrote: Carlos to the Phillies would be pretty hard to swallow. Why? He'd only be there until the end of the year. It's not like we're fighting them for a playoff spot and they ain't resigning him. He's going AL.

TransMonk Jul 20 2011 10:29 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

soupcan wrote: Why? Watching him help a division rival get to the WS is enough to turn my stomach...even if it's only for 2 and a half months.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2011 10:30 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

soupcan wrote: TransMonk wrote: Carlos to the Phillies would be pretty hard to swallow. Why? He'd only be there until the end of the year. It's not like we're fighting them for a playoff spot and they ain't resigning him. He's going AL. Hard to swallow, as in it's tough to get down immediately. The visual image of him hitting a game-winning home run in red stripes to complete another Philly playoff comeback produces an almost visceral disgust in me. It's ultimately digestible, though, should they get good value. And if they'll overpay for him, with Brown or Bastardo? I'll pay the bus fare.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2011 10:31 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: soupcan wrote: TransMonk wrote: Carlos to the Phillies would be pretty hard to swallow. Why? He'd only be there until the end of the year. It's not like we're fighting them for a playoff spot and they ain't resigning him. He's going AL. Hard to swallow, as in it's tough to get down immediately. The visual image of him hitting a game-winning home run in red stripes to complete another Philly playoff comeback produces an almost visceral disgust in me. It's ultimately digestible, though, should they get good value. And if they'll overpay for him, with Brown or Bastardo? I'll pay the bus fare. It'd be hard to take, but it would (theoretically) weaken the Phils down the road, so I'm okay with it. I love Beltran, but he's always been a hired gun here. It's sad, but okay to see him go.

attgig Jul 20 2011 10:35 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

TransMonk wrote: soupcan wrote: Why? Watching him help a division rival get to the WS is enough to turn my stomach...even if it's only for 2 and a half months. same here. I know that he won't be there beyond this year... but man. if the phillies were to win the world series because of beltran... man. that would piss me off. oh and seeing beltran in a phillies uniform in the end of september at citifield... that would suck too same with the braves. for some reason, if the yankees were to win with a mets player, it wouldn't make me as mad...

TransMonk Jul 20 2011 10:36 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Hired gun? He's been here 7 years. He's 17th on the all-time games played as a Met list...even after all of the injuries.

Edgy DC Jul 20 2011 10:37 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

[list:b2up4onv][*:b2up4onv]"...turn my stomach..."[/*:m:b2up4onv] [*:b2up4onv]"...visceral..."[/*:m:b2up4onv] [*:b2up4onv]"...digestible..."[/*:m:b2up4onv][/list:u:b2up4onv] Very interesting.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 20 2011 10:42 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Carlos to the Phillies would be pretty hard to swallow. Why? He'd only be there until the end of the year. It's not like we're fighting them for a playoff spot and they ain't resigning him. He's going AL. Hard to swallow, as in it's tough to get down immediately. The visual image of him hitting a game-winning home run in red stripes to complete another Philly playoff comeback produces an almost visceral disgust in me. It's ultimately digestible, though, should they get good value. And if they'll overpay for him, with Brown or Bastardo? I'll pay the bus fare. I root for a team that plays in the biggest market in the world and yet finished in first place in their five team division* just once in the last 23 years. So I figure: Who the hell am I to say what other team should or shouldn't finish in first? Bring me the head of Dominic Brown, I say. *Since 1994

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2011 10:46 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Mind you, I'm fairly certain* that they WON'T do Brown or Bastardo for a two-month rental. *DISCLAIMER: Me being some imbecile who's spent several hundred dollars and counting to wear various hats and shirts with a garish corporate logo and other grown men's names/representations on them.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 20 2011 10:51 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Mind you, I'm fairly certain* that they WON'T do Brown or Bastardo for a two-month rental. *DISCLAIMER: Me being some imbecile who's spent several hundred dollars and counting to wear various hats and shirts with a garish corporate logo and other grown men's names/representations on them. You're probably right, imbecile or not. But Jon Heyman, who's right more often than anybody else when it comes to predicting future Mets moves, imbecile or not, implies that the chances of the Mets landing Brown for Beltran are greater than one might ordinarily think. Whatever happens, I give you my personal guarantee that Beltran won't be the marginal difference that makes the Phillies a better team than the Mets.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2011 11:13 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'd be more inclined to buy it if, say, Ruben Amaro's last name rhymed with "horas" or "morass." It would take ridiculously good leveraging of the supposed Giants/Braves interest by Sandy to squeeze anything of real substance out of the Phils, methinks.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 20 2011 11:21 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'm naturally a little skeptical of pitching prospects and while I'd prefer to get the best we can get in a Beltran trade, I'd sure like a young outfielder who can kill it. That's why my deal for Starling Marte makes so much sense.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2011 11:23 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

TransMonk wrote: Hired gun? He's been here 7 years. He's 17th on the all-time games played as a Met list...even after all of the injuries. I understand that, but I just don't have the gut connection to Beltran (or Santana) the way I do to Wright and Reyes.

Centerfield Jul 20 2011 11:35 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I want him to be traded to the Phillies for Domonic Brown and whatever other prospects we can get for him. Then I want him to suck for Philadelphia. Batting average under .120, dropping balls in RF all over the place. I want him to play so bad that he gets benched mid-September. I want him to come back to CitiField and fraternize with the Mets to such an extent that the Philly papers call him out on this, and the Phillies front office has to tell him to cool it. I want him to be questioned by the NY media about his poor play and I want him to answer with a knowing smile that prompts an investigation as to whether he is tanking on purpose. I want the Phillies to file a grievance. I want him to "accidentally" back his car into Shane Victorino's ridiculously pimped out BMW while backing out of the Citizen's Bank Ballpark parking lot causing him over $15k in damage, most of it relating to Shane's custom-made hood ornament. I want to hear that the investigation and grievance were ultimately abandoned for lack of evidence. I want the Phillies to lose in the playoffs when Beltran loses track of the number of outs and throws a ball into the stands, allowing 3 runs to score. I want him re-signed to an incentive laden deal three hours after players are allowed to file for free agency. At his press conference, I want him to talk about how excited he is to be back with the Mets, especially in light of the extension Reyes signed during the ten day exclusive window. I want to read reports that Boras, Beltran and Alderson are in a corner snickering with each other, then suddenly shush each other when Ruben Amaro Jr. walks by. In October 2012, I want Beltran to talk about how the World Series MVP crown means nothing to him, he's just happy that the Mets are champions. This is what I want for Carlos Beltran.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 20 2011 11:42 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Centerfield wrote: I want him to be traded to the Phillies for Domonic Brown and whatever other prospects we can get for him. Then I want him to suck for Philadelphia. Batting average under .120, dropping balls in RF all over the place. I want him to play so bad that he gets benched mid-September. I want him to come back to CitiField and fraternize with the Mets to such an extent that the Philly papers call him out on this, and the Phillies front office has to tell him to cool it. I want him to be questioned by the NY media about his poor play and I want him to answer with a knowing smile that prompts an investigation as to whether he is tanking on purpose. I want the Phillies to file a grievance. I want him to "accidentally" back his car into Shane Victorino's ridiculously pimped out BMW while backing out of the Citizen's Bank Ballpark parking lot causing him over $15k in damage, most of it relating to Shane's custom-made hood ornament. I want to hear that the investigation and grievance were ultimately abandoned for lack of evidence. I want the Phillies to lose in the playoffs when Beltran loses track of the number of outs and throws a ball into the stands, allowing 3 runs to score. I want him re-signed to an incentive laden deal three hours after players are allowed to file for free agency. At his press conference, I want him to talk about how excited he is to be back with the Mets, especially in light of the extension Reyes signed during the ten day exclusive window. I want to read reports that Boras, Beltran and Alderson are in a corner snickering with each other, then suddenly shush each other when Ruben Amaro Jr. walks by. In October 2012, I want Beltran to talk about how the World Series MVP crown means nothing to him, he's just happy that the Mets are champions. This is what I want for Carlos Beltran.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2011 11:44 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Seawolf wrote: I understand that, but I just don't have the gut connection to Beltran (or Santana) the way I do to Wright and Reyes. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Edgy DC Jul 20 2011 12:06 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Centerfield wrote: I want him to be traded to the Phillies for Domonic Brown and whatever other prospects we can get for him. Then I want him to suck for Philadelphia. Batting average under .120, dropping balls in RF all over the place. I want him to play so bad that he gets benched mid-September. I want him to come back to CitiField and fraternize with the Mets to such an extent that the Philly papers call him out on this, and the Phillies front office has to tell him to cool it. I want him to be questioned by the NY media about his poor play and I want him to answer with a knowing smile that prompts an investigation as to whether he is tanking on purpose. I want the Phillies to file a grievance. I want him to "accidentally" back his car into Shane Victorino's ridiculously pimped out BMW while backing out of the Citizen's Bank Ballpark parking lot causing him over $15k in damage, most of it relating to Shane's custom-made hood ornament. I want to hear that the investigation and grievance were ultimately abandoned for lack of evidence. I want the Phillies to lose in the playoffs when Beltran loses track of the number of outs and throws a ball into the stands, allowing 3 runs to score. I want him re-signed to an incentive laden deal three hours after players are allowed to file for free agency. At his press conference, I want him to talk about how excited he is to be back with the Mets, especially in light of the extension Reyes signed during the ten day exclusive window. I want to read reports that Boras, Beltran and Alderson are in a corner snickering with each other, then suddenly shush each other when Ruben Amaro Jr. walks by. In October 2012, I want Beltran to talk about how the World Series MVP crown means nothing to him, he's just happy that the Mets are champions. This is what I want for Carlos Beltran. This is why they come.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2011 12:25 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Centerfield wrote: I want him to be traded to the Phillies for Domonic Brown and whatever other prospects we can get for him. Then I want him to suck for Philadelphia. Batting average under .120, dropping balls in RF all over the place. I want him to play so bad that he gets benched mid-September. I want him to come back to CitiField and fraternize with the Mets to such an extent that the Philly papers call him out on this, and the Phillies front office has to tell him to cool it. I want him to be questioned by the NY media about his poor play and I want him to answer with a knowing smile that prompts an investigation as to whether he is tanking on purpose. I want the Phillies to file a grievance. I want him to "accidentally" back his car into Shane Victorino's ridiculously pimped out BMW while backing out of the Citizen's Bank Ballpark parking lot causing him over $15k in damage, most of it relating to Shane's custom-made hood ornament. I want to hear that the investigation and grievance were ultimately abandoned for lack of evidence. I want the Phillies to lose in the playoffs when Beltran loses track of the number of outs and throws a ball into the stands, allowing 3 runs to score. I want him re-signed to an incentive laden deal three hours after players are allowed to file for free agency. At his press conference, I want him to talk about how excited he is to be back with the Mets, especially in light of the extension Reyes signed during the ten day exclusive window. I want to read reports that Boras, Beltran and Alderson are in a corner snickering with each other, then suddenly shush each other when Ruben Amaro Jr. walks by. In October 2012, I want Beltran to talk about how the World Series MVP crown means nothing to him, he's just happy that the Mets are champions. This is what I want for Carlos Beltran. Yeah, this sounds about right.

soupcan Jul 20 2011 12:29 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Whatever happens, I give you my personal guarantee that Beltran won't be the marginal difference that makes the Phillies a better team than the Mets. This is what I'm thinking. Centerfield wrote: I want him to "accidentally" back his car into Shane Victorino's ridiculously pimped out BMW...causing him over $15k in damage, most of it relating to Shane's custom-made hood ornament. Just did a Google search looking for said same hood ornament. No luck. Is it real (Please! Please!) or just another awesome figment of CF's imagination?

Frayed Knot Jul 20 2011 12:33 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I'm of the opinion that Shane Victorino [u:1ma6qcs9]IS[/u:1ma6qcs9] a hood ornament.

Centerfield Jul 20 2011 12:33 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Sorry, I made that up. I mean, I know he has one. I just don't have any proof. But I know he has one.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2011 12:49 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Full disclosure: I just quoted you, CF, on our local Patch -- I'm our new "Mets blogger." (Like the world needs more of those.)

Ceetar Jul 20 2011 12:54 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

seawolf17 wrote: Full disclosure: I just quoted you, CF, on our local Patch -- I'm our new "Mets blogger." (Like the world needs more of those.) I don't think I'm "allowed" to Patch (despite my one comment on your first post). a friend of mine works for a local newspaper group and they're all mildly paranoid that Patch is going to put them out of business.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2011 01:13 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

As I think I said a few days ago, I'm no longer absolutely convinced that the Mets won't offer Beltran a contract for 2012. (If they trade him I think it becomes a little less likely, but still possible.) How much do we think he'll get as a free agent this winter? I know these things can be wildly unpredictable, but my guess would be around $9 per year for two years. I think the Mets can pay that, and I don't see that their next great young outfielder, whoever he may be, is going to be ready to take over in 2012. (Unless, I suppose, said player is someone who comes to the Mets in exchange for Beltran.) Sure he's having a very good season this year, but those knees are what they are, and Carlos is in his mid-thirties. (He'll turn 35 next April.) His annual salary just about has to take a big drop from where it was. Doesn't it?

Edgy DC Jul 20 2011 01:16 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

They paid more to Moises Alou. But that... didn't work out. Such guys should certainly be more attractive to AL clubs. On the other hand, Alou could have unleashed holy thunder from the DH position, but ended up on the Mets.

Ceetar Jul 20 2011 01:52 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

What if Carlos Beltran is the difference between the Phillies making it out of the first round, and not? What if the financial benefits of the Phillies going to the WS again are what allows them the financial boon to next year acquire Beltran, or the righty-power bat they covet that makes the Mets 2012 that much more difficult? Is that worth trading him to the Phillies in exchange for a guy that so far looks like Lucas Duda in as many AB in the majors?

Edgy DC Jul 20 2011 01:55 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

I don't know if he's a jerk or what (Florida-born --- you can't be too careful), but Domonic Brown could sweeten in any deal. Number four prospect according to Baseball 'Merica, and ready to leave the minors behind.

TransMonk Jul 20 2011 01:56 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Ceetar wrote: Is that worth trading him to the Phillies in exchange for a guy that so far looks like Lucas Duda in as many AB in the majors? Yes. I will feel bad because I like the guy as a Met. But he must be traded. For as much as we can get. Brown is a top-level prospect.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2011 02:56 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Something like Mike Minor would work, too. If either of those offers come across Alderson's desk, I'd imagine he'd pull the trigger so fast, he'd sprain a ligament. There appears to be MLBTR buzz that the Bravos are looking for something in a Ludwick or Willingham... or, perhaps, a Pence (if you're Wren, and you've got the choice of Beltran, or someone comparable and team-controllable, you'd rather give up something big for the latter than for the former).

A Boy Named Seo Jul 20 2011 03:02 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Minor would a be a haul, a Major one. Would be awesome if Sandy could extract either that guy or Brown. Like that he doesn't give a crap about trading within the division, either.

Ashie62 Jul 20 2011 06:43 PM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Beltran is going to Philly for Dominic Brown.. I want to believe it and do!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 21 2011 04:34 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

From the Wall Street Journal: That the Mets will trade Beltran, though, before the July 31 non-waiver deadline seems a foregone conclusion. Even Beltran acknowledges as much. "Right now, the only way they can get something in return is if they trade me," he said. But any Beltran trade could end up being a net gain for the Mets, because Beltran suggested Tuesday night that he would be open to re-signing with them this offseason. "I'm going to let everything play the way it plays out, and if it plays out for me to return here, I have no problem," he said. "I know New York. I know how everything is here. I have produced here. I don't see it as a big deal." When asked Wednesday if the Mets would be open to signing Beltran again, general manager Sandy Alderson said in an e-mail: "Short answer: Yes, it is something we could consider." Full article

Ashie62 Jul 21 2011 06:02 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

In a world where cash has no meaning Beltran stays and the Mets push for the wildcard. I mean, its only money for chrissakes.

Edgy DC Jul 21 2011 06:26 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Cash doesn't have to have no meaning for Beltran to stay. The Mets just have to win enough by the trade deadline to force the issue.

Fman99 Jul 21 2011 09:24 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Centerfield wrote: I want him to be traded to the Phillies for Domonic Brown and whatever other prospects we can get for him. Then I want him to suck for Philadelphia. Batting average under .120, dropping balls in RF all over the place. I want him to play so bad that he gets benched mid-September. I want him to come back to CitiField and fraternize with the Mets to such an extent that the Philly papers call him out on this, and the Phillies front office has to tell him to cool it. I want him to be questioned by the NY media about his poor play and I want him to answer with a knowing smile that prompts an investigation as to whether he is tanking on purpose. I want the Phillies to file a grievance. I want him to "accidentally" back his car into Shane Victorino's ridiculously pimped out BMW while backing out of the Citizen's Bank Ballpark parking lot causing him over $15k in damage, most of it relating to Shane's custom-made hood ornament. I want to hear that the investigation and grievance were ultimately abandoned for lack of evidence. I want the Phillies to lose in the playoffs when Beltran loses track of the number of outs and throws a ball into the stands, allowing 3 runs to score. I want him re-signed to an incentive laden deal three hours after players are allowed to file for free agency. At his press conference, I want him to talk about how excited he is to be back with the Mets, especially in light of the extension Reyes signed during the ten day exclusive window. I want to read reports that Boras, Beltran and Alderson are in a corner snickering with each other, then suddenly shush each other when Ruben Amaro Jr. walks by. In October 2012, I want Beltran to talk about how the World Series MVP crown means nothing to him, he's just happy that the Mets are champions. This is what I want for Carlos Beltran. I need a towel now.

TransMonk Jul 26 2011 07:39 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Larry weighs in: Chipper doesn't see how Beltran helps the Braves

Ceetar Jul 26 2011 07:46 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Larry weighs in: Chipper doesn't see how Beltran helps the Braves It's pretty obvious Larry, if the Mets trade Beltran, it makes it harder for them to catch your 4-6 Last 10 reeling team.

metirish Jul 28 2011 08:22 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Apparently there was a deal with the Pirates but Beltran refused to go, read that late last night from one of the baseball writers.

Edgy DC Jul 28 2011 08:26 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Booo! Booo! Booooootran!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2011 08:27 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

metirish wrote: Apparently there was a deal with the Pirates but Beltran refused to go, read that late last night from one of the baseball writers. Shame.

Gwreck Jul 28 2011 08:35 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

As in, real story that they could write in the paper and have to cite a source (even if unnamed)? Or off-hand twitter comment?

metirish Jul 28 2011 08:54 AM Re: Let's Trade Beltran to the Pirates and Become Pirate Fan

Pirates beat writer I think "@AdamRubinESPN: RT @Dejan_Kovacevic: The #Pirates made an aggressive pursuit of Carlos Beltran, but he refused to come." I misread that , apologies