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WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 03:01 PM

Back home after a 6-4 road trip that was somewhat disappointing when you consider the competition and looking to get August off to a good start. Vazquez v Pelfrey

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2011 04:57 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

This is the official one by 20 minutes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2011 04:57 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

G-Fafif wrote: Let's steam the Marlins on a muggy night in Flushing. McKeon's nightmare (other than remembering he used to manage Fran Healy): Jose Reyes, ss Justin Turner, 2b Daniel Murphy, 1b David Wright, 3b Angel Pagan, cf Jason Bay, lf Lucas Duda, rf Ronny Paulino, c Mike Pelfrey, rhp

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 05:58 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

We've been in the top of the third for about 15 minutes, thanks to the usual Pelfy laboring*/a string of two-out hits. *OE: 28 pitches. Bully.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 06:44 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

what, does no one watch baseball anymore? This game has sudden 6 run outburst chasing Vazquez written all over it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2011 06:50 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2011 06:51 PM

dagnabbit (refers to Reyes thrown out at home by 12 feet)

TransMonk Aug 01 2011 06:50 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Lost a run there.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 06:57 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: dagnabbit (refers to Reyes thrown out at home by 12 feet) Granted you generally send Reyes always, but I was surprised they sent him with 1 out and Stanton and not a hard hit and all that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 07:02 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Objectively decent outing by Pelf, and my stomach's still uneasy after it all.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 07:04 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Objectively decent outing by Pelf, and my stomach's still uneasy after it all. some errors made it worse, but i'll take QS every time..the offense is supposed to be awesome, not 'bleh, here's a home run or two' average. We're not the Phillies.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 07:10 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

TransMonk wrote: Lost a run there. Between Sunday's GiDPs (2), caught stealings (2 more), Murphy's base-running gaffes and other assorted hi-jinks, and now Jose being nailed at the plate, we've been getting a lot of our base-runners erased lately.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 07:13 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Seems we have a pitcher here in Igarashi, huh?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 07:43 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Seems we have, like, nothing else tonight, huh?

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 07:50 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

We _could_ use more walk-offs.. *crosses fingers*

metirish Aug 01 2011 07:55 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Pagan you fucking twat.....

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 07:56 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Seemingly unnecessary double by Pagan buys the Mets one more out as Bay's limp grounder doesn't go for a game-ending DP.

TransMonk Aug 01 2011 07:57 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

[bigpurple:2lijbcva]DUDA!!![/bigpurple:2lijbcva]

metirish Aug 01 2011 07:57 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Duda Duda.....Duda ties this fucker up

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 07:57 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 07:58 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Lucas Dudu Lucas Duda That's all I want to say to you.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 07:58 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Edgy DC wrote: Seemingly unnecessary double by Pagan buys the Mets one more out as Bay's limp grounder doesn't go for a game-ending DP. Remember this.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 07:58 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

And a HR by Hairston is pretty much a foregone conclusion, no?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2011 07:59 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Duda remembers that he's Beltran's replacement!

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2011 08:00 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Frayed Knot wrote: And a HR by Hairston is pretty much a foregone conclusion, no? They'll hold him to first by thumping him!

PiggiesTomatoes Aug 01 2011 08:01 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Worked late and just turned the game on 10 minutes ago. Love that Manchild.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 08:04 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

At least this game we've got the home-field advantage after tying it up ... that supposed to count for something. Tied it up in the 9th yesterday and then never even got to extras.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 08:07 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

How about Acosta? Two perfect with four whiffs.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 08:08 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Edgy DC wrote: How about Acosta? Two scoreless with four whiffs. good stuff. looked good. was cringing when they sent him back out for a second..

metirish Aug 01 2011 08:10 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Oh my...what the fuck

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 08:11 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Wise pulls a Muffy, but then Muffy pulls a Muffy.

TransMonk Aug 01 2011 08:11 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Frayed Knot wrote: Wise pulls a Muffy, but then Muffy pulls a Muffy. That earned a chortle!

metsmarathon Aug 01 2011 08:11 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

[facepalm]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 08:12 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Got that play covered from both ends, doesn't he?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2011 08:12 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Bear down, Izzy!

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 08:14 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Yeah, that didn't work out.

TransMonk Aug 01 2011 08:14 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Wow.

metirish Aug 01 2011 08:14 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

LOL

PiggiesTomatoes Aug 01 2011 08:15 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2011 08:15 PM

Oy. I want to see Murph cry.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2011 08:15 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Are you kidding me? That's a page right out of last year's script.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 08:15 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

^^ Yup. Gotta go after these big guys early in the count. You get behind them with nowhere to put them and they know you're going to feed them one.

metirish Aug 01 2011 08:17 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Keith earlier when reviewing the Murphy play last night wondered if Murphy had good or any baseball instincts, then said he thought he didn't and has proven it over and over....I paraphrase there but he was tough on him.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 08:27 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble. But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton.

smg58 Aug 01 2011 08:28 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

OK so what happened? (The GS I know about.)

metirish Aug 01 2011 08:29 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Ceetar wrote: granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble. But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton. WOW

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 08:32 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

smg58 wrote: OK so what happened? (The GS I know about.) 1 out, on the third hit of the inning to Duda, Murphy cuts it off, the runner doesn't round third, and the runner at first takes the turn and runs to second. He's halfway when he realizes and starts retreating. Murphy runs at him, and as he gets close, glances to third a little too long, which gives the runner an opportunity to dive back to first safely.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2011 08:34 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Izzy fucked up, plain and simple including that hit to a 180-hitting weakling with fucking Stanton on deck. That old fart can retire for all I care.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2011 08:35 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Is a late-inning reliever without strikeout stuff really a late-inning reliever?

Edgy DC Aug 01 2011 08:39 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

If you use him to relieve in the late innings, I guess so. And he kinda gets his strikeouts here and there also. He's at 7.9/9 --- which ain't Randy Myeers, but is above his career rate.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 08:42 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

yeah, he's a decent strikeout guy, and if he had thrown the pitch that either Ron or Keith suggested he probably would've gotten the K there. (the same pitch he threw 2-2) Still, Mike Stanton is pretty good, and I know it's extra innings and saving pitchers and the first two hits were seeing eye singles, but I wouldn't have keep Izzy on the mound there.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 08:46 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2011 08:50 PM

The proper play (for Murphy) - as Keith was saying - was to get the ball to Turner covering 1st behind the runner. That way he's trapped with no place to go except dislodge the other runners who wouldn't dare abandon their base at that point lest they make things worse.

Gwreck Aug 01 2011 08:47 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Ceetar wrote: 1 out, on the third hit of the inning to Duda, Murphy cuts it off, the runner doesn't round third, and the runner at first takes the turn and runs to second. He's halfway when he realizes and starts retreating. Murphy runs at him, and as he gets close, glances to third a little too long, which gives the runner an opportunity to dive back to first safely. You also forgot that instead of making a normal, overhand throw to Turner at first, Murphy flipped it sideways like a moron. To answer your question earlier, YES, people DO know what do to in that situation because they practice it. Rundowns and having runners hung up on the bases is indeed practiced and Murphy just fucked up, plain and simple. Hitting aside, he's not a good baseball player.

Ashie62 Aug 01 2011 08:51 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Ceetar wrote: granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble. But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton. Lets say with Murphy it has become a trend.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 09:06 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Frayed Knot wrote: The proper play (for Murphy) - as Keith was saying - was to get the ball to Turner covering 1st behind the runner. That way he's trapped with no place to go except dislodge the other runners who wouldn't dare abandon their base at that point lest they make things worse. yes, truly, but Turner wasn't even calling for the ball either, which he probably should've been right away. Not that I fault him there, but hey, Murphy could use some guidance if you've got an answer. My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first. Anyway, there was so many things wrong with that game. As far as Murphy's defense in terms of costing them the win? He's probably like 8th.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2011 09:12 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first. He held onto it MUCH too long.

Ceetar Aug 01 2011 09:14 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Frayed Knot wrote: My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first. He held onto it MUCH too long. it was only like 2 seconds, seems like longer. he was nearly at the runner when he slowed to look at third before attempting to tag him. It was more the looking away than not throwing to first that opened the door for him to get back to first.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 02 2011 04:57 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

I was out running on this one, so it was Wayne Hagin and Ed Coleman for me. Howie is on extended vacation. I loved the top of the 9th for being revenge on Wayne Hagin who spent the final innings talking about how great Leo F. Nunez is. Really. He relayed this whole story about how McKeon and the Marlins teased Nunez that he'd been traded the other day, compared him favorably to Robb Nen, and mostly spoke as if he was the best thing ever. He even said there was "no heir apparent" when it was plainly obvious to anyone that Mujica had superior numbers and in fact was blowing away the Mets as he spoke. Duda hit his home run just after I turned off the Williamsburg Bridge heading home, and I was like "Yeah! F you, Wayne!" (Wayne earlier had me wondering for half-a-mile whether Ramirez had advanced to second on Reyes' error or stayed at first, he never said). Both Ed (who called the 10th) and Wayne were forgiving of the Muffy play, saying the important thing was making sure the run didn't score and noting the play happened behind him. I'm not going to watch the replay to be sure. They were still talkking about it (and not the fact that Isringhausen had sucked his way to a swing from disaster) when Stanton struck just as I arrived home -- less than 2 miles from the Duda bomb. F you Mets but especially Wayne, Muffy, Ed, Izzy, and Chip "Razor" Hale for ruining my run.

bmfc1 Aug 02 2011 05:00 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2011 05:03 AM

He was overly concerned with the runner trying to score from 3d because if he throws it to Turner, Turner is facing the runner and can throw it to Thole (who might have dropped it but that's another story). "One thing about Dan, he listens and listens and wants to learn and get better. We often forget, he didn't play last year. And we forget, two years ago he played outfield and first, and this year he played three different positions. And all he does is give his best effort. He makes some mistakes, but he's not the only guy out there doing it. The thing with Dan, when it's explained to him, I bet it never happens again." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z1TrsTQM9C That might never happen again but you know that something else will.

bmfc1 Aug 02 2011 05:02 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Howie's on vacation during the season? Is he conserving energy for the Islanders? Take a weekend off connected to the All-Star break but don't abandon us during the season. Gary doesn't take a vacation--he's not a weakling like Kay who skips numerous road trips.

Edgy DC Aug 02 2011 05:22 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Terrible job by Wayne, agreed. But I get the idea almost nightly that his heart beats for the other team. And I'm figuring out plays by the sound of the crowd well before he gets finished describing them. But yeah, I'm with Terry on Pelfrey. It's an assbiting loss, but let's not make such a point of scapegoating.

Ceetar Aug 02 2011 07:39 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

bmfc1 wrote: Howie's on vacation during the season? Is he conserving energy for the Islanders? Take a weekend off connected to the All-Star break but don't abandon us during the season. Gary doesn't take a vacation--he's not a weakling like Kay who skips numerous road trips. I've noticed Howie taking more and more time off lately. (Islanders season too) Maybe he's just getting older and the whole working all the time thing isn't as fun.

TransMonk Aug 02 2011 08:03 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

The Daily News quoting Terry Collis wrote: "The thing with Dan, when it's explained to him, I bet it never happens again." IMO, if you're playing in the majors, these type of things shouldn't need to be explained. They are explained in little league, or at the high school level, or in college, or in rookie ball, or in single A, or in AA, or AAA...but this isn't the type of play you should be explaining in the highest level of the professional sport. Muffy is the poster boy for a "DH in the NL" movement. I love the way he hits, but I wish he could play better defense somewhere.

MFS62 Aug 02 2011 08:11 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

There's an old baseball expression that says "You can't hide a bad fielder. The ball will always find him." That seems the case with Muffy. Later

metsmarathon Aug 02 2011 08:19 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

the thing i love about murphy is that he plays the game like i tend to in softball. with a healthy amount of effort and good intentions, but a glaring lack of good baseball instincts. i feel like when i watch murphy, i see him do things that i've done, or will eventually do. that's probably not a good thing, but i love him just the same. every time something dumb happens on the field i find my self thinking "pleasedon'tbemurphy pleasedon'tbemurphy pleasedon'tbemurphy". but it usually is.

metirish Aug 02 2011 08:22 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

metsmarathon wrote: the thing i love about murphy is that he plays the game like i tend to in softball. with a healthy amount of effort and good intentions, but a glaring lack of good baseball instincts. i feel like when i watch murphy, i see him do things that i've done, or will eventually do. that's probably not a good thing, but i love him just the same. every time something dumb happens on the field i find my self thinking "pleasedon'tbemurphy pleasedon'tbemurphy pleasedon'tbemurphy". but it usually is. lol

bmfc1 Aug 02 2011 08:53 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

MFS62 wrote: There's an old baseball expression that says "You can't hide a bad fielder. The ball will always find him." That seems the case with Muffy. When I coached kids baseball, I would tell the boys that they had to pay attention because the ball will find them. One game, the player in RF was inspecting the grass and not paying attention. I told him that the ball would find him and he said "not here." The next batter hit a line drive to RF, my player wasn't watching so it bounced past him for a HR. That player's name was Daniel Murphy. (No it wasn't.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 02 2011 09:07 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Really, this Muffy thing is overshadowing the real goat of this game. I can think of a half-dozen other games that Muffy screwed up a lot worse.

metirish Aug 02 2011 09:10 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2011 09:22 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Really, this Muffy thing is overshadowing the real goat of this game. I can think of a half-dozen other games that Muffy screwed up a lot worse. and that's saying something yeah Izzy was fucking terrible, funny, right before he served up the granny the booth was talking up his experience in such situations.

Edgy DC Aug 02 2011 09:20 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

He must've been reading Pelfrey's book last night, because that was a page right out of it. He's been mostly living on the edge for a while now, but last night he just went out there and lept off of it.

HahnSolo Aug 02 2011 09:42 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

I thought his ineffectiveness had to do with that awful follow through on his first pitch. I thought for sure he was hurt.

seawolf17 Aug 02 2011 09:47 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

That's what happens when you use a closer in a non-save situation. Pfft.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2011 10:09 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Really, this Muffy thing is overshadowing the real goat of this game. I can think of a half-dozen other games that Muffy screwed up a lot worse. Sure, but the Murph thing was both preventable and part of an ongoing problem. It's amazing how he can screw up opposite sides of virtually the exact same play two days running. Izzy's night, bad as it was, was at least the exception for him and not the rule.

Edgy DC Aug 02 2011 10:14 AM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Nor was that play the rule for Murphy. Nor was that play the sum total of his night.

G-Fafif Aug 02 2011 04:30 PM Re: WE got a game tonight dammit! - IGT Marlins @ Mets 8/1

Wayne Hagin's as easy to follow as a Japanese electronics instruction manual translated into English. "Second base is not the base he runs to. He runs to third base after not stopping at second base." Like that.