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Beltran to Giants

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 11:22 AM

just minor details to finish on Beltran with @sfgiants. major help for the world champions. #tradedeadline

bmfc1 Jul 27 2011 11:23 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2011 11:27 AM

Gary Brown seems to be a key: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... own-005gar http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6990 ... outfielder tobyhyde Top 3, I think. RT @Rob_Zloto: for perspective, if brown included where he'd rank among mets elite prospects?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 11:23 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

I do hope he's to be known as "Downtown" Gary Brown

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 11:27 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

Come on, Bumgarner. (Then we can have "face"-offs with Dickey Face!)

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 11:30 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

Gulp. Just dropped $100 on four ticks to see him on Friday, too.

metsmarathon Jul 27 2011 11:31 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

if we were to get bumgarner, i'd hope that the beltran trade didn't garner a bum.

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 11:33 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

Brown looks like an eighth-grader who gets his milk money stolen.

bmfc1 Jul 27 2011 11:36 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

More from Toby Hyde: I have not seen Gary Brown, the Giants first round pick out of Cal State Fullerton in 2010, but if the Mets are doing a deal with San Francisco, the 22-year old is easily target #1. He’s hit .317/.386/.466 with 24 doubles, six triples and eight homers with 39 stolen bases in 95 games for San Jose in the California League. Yes, it’s a hitters’ league, but San Jose has the most pitcher-friendly ballpark on the circuit. Bottom line: a premium defender in center with speed, average and a little pop. Yes, please. Brown and Nimmo--2/3ds of the Mets OF of the future.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 11:40 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

KenDavidoff Ken Davidoff #Mets are expected to get Gary Brown and, most likely, two other players in return for Beltran. #Giants

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 11:46 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

Intrigue: Buster_ESPN Buster Olney The Giants are expected to give up pitcher Zach Wheeler as the centerpiece of the Beltran trade.#trades

metirish Jul 27 2011 11:47 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: KenDavidoff Ken Davidoff #Mets are expected to get Gary Brown and, most likely, two other players in return for Beltran. #Giants I'm chuffed I think, seems to be plenty of positive reaction going around about the trade from a Mets perspective .

TransMonk Jul 27 2011 11:49 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

I like Gary Brown. If there's more, I am very pleased.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 11:49 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman

I'm taking "Heyman" out of the thread title, because he's a doosh and this seems to go beyond him anyway; don't want him in there getting credit when we archive this.

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 11:50 AM Re: Beltran to Giants

sad day, but at least initial reports seem to suggest quite a haul.

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 11:53 AM Re: Beltran to Giants: Heyman Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2011 11:56 AM

I'd be stunned if Bungarner is any part of this. But, only a timely basis, John Sickels was nice enough to have recently complete his mid-season review for his list of Giants prospects. The rank and grade for each are John's pre-season opinions and then he gives an update based on the half-season since he made them. 2) Gary Brown, OF, Grade B: Hitting .313/.382/.469 with 39 steals for High-A San Jose, drawing raves for speed and defense. Has a few rough edges but overall I'm impressed, and pre-season concerns I had about his bat have been eased. 3) Zack Wheeler, RHP, Grade B: 3.70 ERA with 95/46 K/BB in 83 innings for San Jose, 64 hits, 1.29 GO/AO. K/IP and H/IP remain excellent, reflect plus stuff, still needs to sharpen command. Wheeler just turned 21 in May; Brown will be 23 in September remainder of list

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 11:55 AM Re: Beltran to Giants

Now just Wheeler, not Brown.

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 12:01 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

I'd like to find out what Brown can do for us.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 12:01 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Rubin now saying that Giants are including Kevin Boss AND Mathias Kiwanuka.

Farmer Ted Jul 27 2011 12:03 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

The Giants are a good landing spot for Beltran, if this holds. Glad he'll have nice scenery on the west coast before signing a two-year deal with the Mets in the offseason.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 12:04 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Farmer Ted wrote: The Giants are a good landing spot for Beltran, if this holds. Glad he'll have nice scenery on the west coast before signing a two-year deal with the Mets in the offseason. Plus he gets to plant the bug in the ear of guys like Posey and Cain about how fuckin' awesome it is playing in Queens.

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 12:05 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

seawolf17 wrote: Rubin now saying that Giants are including Kevin Boss AND Mathias Kiwanuka. actually he merely says someone said to pay at tention to those names. so basically he's just listing Giants prospects. Problem is, i could see Beltran liking SF, and staying there.

bmfc1 Jul 27 2011 12:09 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Ceetar wrote: Problem is, i could see Beltran liking SF, and staying there. I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping for Texas since he's already left that state once.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 12:10 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Word now on the Twitters is that the Mets have mistakenly acquired DAN Wheeler and EMIL Brown.

Farmer Ted Jul 27 2011 12:11 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

...Kevin Boss AND Mathias Kiwanuka... I don't follow pro football much but don't these guys play for the NY Giants?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 12:16 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Ceetar wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Rubin now saying that Giants are including Kevin Boss AND Mathias Kiwanuka. actually he merely says someone said to pay at tention to those names. so basically he's just listing Giants prospects. whoosh

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 12:20 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Rubin now saying that Giants are including Kevin Boss AND Mathias Kiwanuka. actually he merely says someone said to pay at tention to those names. so basically he's just listing Giants prospects. whoosh sorry, this: I'm told to pay attention to two Giants prospect names: LHP Eric Surkamp and OF Francisco Peguero.

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 12:26 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Surkamp: curveballing lefty with no heat but a lot of strikeouts. Produced nicely at AA this year. Loves America. If Barry Zito can make a career on that, that so can Surkamp. Not a Hot 100 prospect, though.

metirish Jul 27 2011 12:29 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Ceetar wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Rubin now saying that Giants are including Kevin Boss AND Mathias Kiwanuka. actually he merely says someone said to pay at tention to those names. so basically he's just listing Giants prospects. Problem is, i could see Beltran liking SF, and staying there. funny

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 12:33 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Not for nothing but I'd be more excited to get a hitter than a pitcher for Belty, even if this Wheeler dude is the shitzzz

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 12:34 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Per Sickels: 4) Francisco Peguero, OF, Grade B-: Late start due to knee injury, hit .324/.387/.441 in 16 games for (A+) San Jose, .276/.291/.439 win 25 games for Double-A Richmond. Speed/power potential remains impressive, still raw with the strike zone. 12) Eric Surkamp, LHP, Grade C+: 2.05 ERA, 118/32 K/BB in 101 innings for (AA) Richmond, 84 hits. Excellent season in all respects, transition to Double-A very successful.

Willets Point Jul 27 2011 12:34 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Has any player traded mid-season ever signed with the team that traded them after the season? Seems unlikely.

Gwreck Jul 27 2011 12:35 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Mike Bordick

metirish Jul 27 2011 12:36 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not for nothing but I'd be more excited to get a hitter than a pitcher for Belty, even if this Wheeler dude is the shitzzz yeah , i was excited there about Brown.

Willets Point Jul 27 2011 12:37 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Gwreck wrote: Mike Bordick Has any good player traded mid-season ever signed with the team that traded them after the season?

Gwreck Jul 27 2011 12:38 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Rickey Henderson

TransMonk Jul 27 2011 12:43 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Yeah, I'd rather have Brown...but this Wheeler kid is supposed to be decent. Either way, it's more than I thought we would get for Beltran at the start of the season.

bmfc1 Jul 27 2011 12:57 PM Re: Beltran to Giants Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2011 01:27 PM

From Toby Hyde: I’m very skeptical on Zack Wheeler. The 21-year old has fanned 10 batters/9 in the Cal League but walked 4.8 batters per nine. I saw him for five innings in 2010, and the velocity was plus. His breaking ball was crude and he was very wild. The numbers say, he’s still wild. He has a long way to go. http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/meet ... co-giants/ http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7366 ... em/page/10

metirish Jul 27 2011 01:02 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Brown twitter feed https://twitter.com/#!/garybrown909 nothing today Brown and Wheeler both trending

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 01:03 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

metirish wrote: Brown twitter feed https://twitter.com/#!/garybrown909 nothing today Brown and Wheeler both trending well, presumably him or Wheeler would be the last to know.

seawolf17 Jul 27 2011 01:03 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

http://twitter.com/#!/Wheelerpro45

Farmer Ted Jul 27 2011 01:07 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

NYPOST. Last sentence cracks me up. The Mets traded Carlos Beltran and cash to the Giants for one of the best pitching prospects in the majors, Zach Wheeler, multiple sources confirmed to The Post. Because there is a no-trade clause involved with Beltran, there is a 24-hour grace period that most be observed. So it is conceivable that an issue could crop up that would kill the deal. But officials involved in the process felt that only minor details needed to be finalized and that all the heavy lifting was done. The Mets picture Wheeler, who is pitching at High-A San Jose for the Giants, as a top-of-the-rotation pitcher. This deal shows that GM Sandy Alderson favored quality over quantity when it came to dealing Beltran. Outfield prospect Gary Brown and lefty Jonathan Sanchez were other names involved in the talks, but the teams eventually settled on Wheeler. Wheeler was the No. 6 pick in the 2009 draft and ranked the 35th best prospect by Baseball America. In 13 starts this year, Wheeler was 7-5 with a 3.99 ERA. Beltran invited Mets teammates and staffers to a going-away party in Cincinnati on Tuesday night after the team’s 8-6 win over the Reds.

metirish Jul 27 2011 01:12 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Im Zack Wheeler I play in the San Francisco Giants organization. Im Blessed to be playing professional baseball. It has always been my dream. I'm a chilled guy

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2011 01:20 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

metirish wrote: Im Zack Wheeler I play in the San Francisco Giants organization. Im Blessed to be playing professional baseball. It has always been my dream. I'm a chilled guy Jeez

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 01:27 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Farmer Ted wrote: NYPOST. -- The Mets traded Carlos Beltran and cash to the Giants for one of the best pitching prospects in the majors, Zach Wheeler, multiple sources confirmed to The Post. Keep in mind this is the same Post that told us a few days ago (Sherman, I think) citing several factors which said that there was no way the Mets were going to get even a medium-good prospect for Beltran - even if they paid his freight. And, yeah, I realize that this is two different stories and one's a source and the other an opinion ... but still.

metirish Jul 27 2011 01:29 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Frayed Knot wrote: Farmer Ted wrote: NYPOST. -- The Mets traded Carlos Beltran and cash to the Giants for one of the best pitching prospects in the majors, Zach Wheeler, multiple sources confirmed to The Post. Keep in mind this is the same Post that told us a few days ago (Sherman, I think) citing several factors which said that there was no way the Mets were going to get even a medium-good prospect for Beltran - even if they paid his freight. And, yeah, I realize that this is two different stories and one's a source and the other an opinion ... but still. this exactly , and on top of that the same writers on twitter were quick to tell us how Sabean in no way will ever trade top prospects...."he hates doing that"...

bmfc1 Jul 27 2011 01:30 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

What happened to the theory that the Mets would only get mid-level prospects? They got the 55th best prospect in the country. I would have preferred a hitter but this is a good return.

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 01:30 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Frayed Knot wrote: Farmer Ted wrote: NYPOST. -- The Mets traded Carlos Beltran and cash to the Giants for one of the best pitching prospects in the majors, Zach Wheeler, multiple sources confirmed to The Post. Keep in mind this is the same Post that told us a few days ago (Sherman, I think) citing several factors which said that there was no way the Mets were going to get even a medium-good prospect for Beltran - even if they paid his freight. And, yeah, I realize that this is two different stories and one's a source and the other an opinion ... but still. multiple sources? How many legitimate sources could there really be? Do you ask Alderson and then DePodesta? I gues by now it's probably sent to Boras and out and stuff, but these reporters make it sound like Alderson has a phone list and he calls every paper in America when the terms change. I don't think we have any official confon on Wheeler either. I mean, they say it's official, but I'm pretty sure they said that about Brown too.

TransMonk Jul 27 2011 01:38 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

I'd rather Carlos had gone to Pittsburgh. I can't bring myself to root for any team that has Brian Wilson on it.

metirish Jul 27 2011 01:43 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

giving hope to optimists everywhere @AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin Carlos Beltran jersey still hanging in locker.

metirish Jul 27 2011 01:45 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

hold the hope Buster Olney Confirming what @joelsherman1 is reporting: the Mets are eating $4 million of the $6 million owed to Beltran for rest of the season.

Farmer Ted Jul 27 2011 01:46 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

24 hours to approve. Boras is prolly working out an extension. Ass.

metsmarathon Jul 27 2011 01:52 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

sigh. unlike mike cameron, i'm gonna miss carlos beltran.

Ashie62 Jul 27 2011 01:53 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Olney, and yes it is Wheeler.. [url]http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/07/27/carlos-beltran-to-the-san-francisco-giants/

attgig Jul 27 2011 01:53 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Is Duda our RF for the rest of the year? and who gets called up now?

Ashie62 Jul 27 2011 01:55 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Zach Wheeler 2009 6th overall pick.. Throws hard, somehat wild.

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 01:57 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

attgig wrote: Is Duda our RF for the rest of the year? and who gets called up now? no one until tomorrow. I wonder who it'll be. Can't be Evans. Pascucci?

TransMonk Jul 27 2011 01:58 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

attgig wrote: Is Duda our RF for the rest of the year? and who gets called up now? Terry has said that Duda will play RF.

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 02:02 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

TransMonk wrote: attgig wrote: Is Duda our RF for the rest of the year? and who gets called up now? Terry has said that Duda will play RF. of course, he's been reluctant to play him against lefties so far. So we'll see how much time he actually gets.

metirish Jul 27 2011 02:10 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Encouraging, yikes AdamRubinESPN Lucas Duda, and other OFs, have been working with Mookie in RF recently. Duda ranked most comfortable position as 1B then LF then RF.

metsmarathon Jul 27 2011 02:28 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

can bay play right?

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 02:29 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

metsmarathon wrote: can bay play right? Yes, but he can't hit there either.

Gwreck Jul 27 2011 02:35 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

If this trade's not official, why the hell are we holding him out of the lineup tonight?

Ceetar Jul 27 2011 02:37 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Gwreck wrote: If this trade's not official, why the hell are we holding him out of the lineup tonight? one of those courtesies teams do when a deal is 'official' but not 'final'.

Gwreck Jul 27 2011 02:38 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Yes, I know. Rhetorical question borne out of frustration.

metirish Jul 27 2011 02:39 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Frayed Knot wrote: metsmarathon wrote: can bay play right? Yes, but he can't hit there either. Ha! Love this from Terry AdamRubinESPN Terry Collins said Lucas Duda will be primary RF. "He better get comfortable really fast," Collins said. "He's got about an hour and a half"

metirish Jul 27 2011 02:41 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Gwreck wrote: If this trade's not official, why the hell are we holding him out of the lineup tonight? I had similar thoughts AdamRubinESPN Terry Collins doesn't know if Beltran will be here. "I can't use him," the manager added. Mets play with 24 tonight.

metsmarathon Jul 27 2011 02:43 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

because you'd hate for him to twist an ankle or pull a hammy tonight and get nothing for him. or maybe he just takes a golden sombrero and kicks around a few balls in the outfield and san francisco has second thoughts on whether or not they really want him for the tentatively-agreed-upon price.

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2011 02:46 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

metirish wrote: Gwreck wrote: If this trade's not official, why the hell are we holding him out of the lineup tonight? I had similar thoughts AdamRubinESPN Terry Collins doesn't know if Beltran will be here. "I can't use him," the manager added. Mets play with 24 tonight. I mean theoretically it would be legal to use him, but they're not going to do that and jeopardize the deal. At the same time until it's official he can't be replaced on the roster so, yeah, they're going to be a bat short today ... two if you include the fact that Bay is still here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2011 02:56 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

TransMonk wrote: Yeah, I'd rather have Brown...but this Wheeler kid is supposed to be decent. Either way, it's more than I thought we would get for Beltran at the start of the season. I'm was already inviting Brian Sabean to my year-end pretend poker game. Now I'm double-inviting him. Brown would've been nice. I hope we get a throw-in or two; it's always nice to have a two-or-three-in-a-million chance instead of one, y'know?

attgig Jul 27 2011 02:56 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

yup. no way you risk injuring beltran and the giants pulling out of the deal. same the other way. if wheeler were to be slated to pitch today, no way they let him pitch, and risk an injury and have the mets pull out of the deal.

metirish Jul 27 2011 03:09 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: TransMonk wrote: Yeah, I'd rather have Brown...but this Wheeler kid is supposed to be decent. Either way, it's more than I thought we would get for Beltran at the start of the season. I'm was already inviting Brian Sabean to my year-end pretend poker game. Now I'm double-inviting him. Brown would've been nice. I hope we get a throw-in or two; it's always nice to have a two-or-three-in-a-million chance instead of one, y'know? One of the twatters mentioned that the Mets FO was interested in what they believed was the best quality prospect rather than a bunch of lesser ones, quality over quantity. I'll find that tweet in a bit......Waldstien IIRC.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2011 03:17 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

metirish wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: TransMonk wrote: Yeah, I'd rather have Brown...but this Wheeler kid is supposed to be decent. Either way, it's more than I thought we would get for Beltran at the start of the season. I'm was already inviting Brian Sabean to my year-end pretend poker game. Now I'm double-inviting him. Brown would've been nice. I hope we get a throw-in or two; it's always nice to have a two-or-three-in-a-million chance instead of one, y'know? One of the twatters mentioned that the Mets FO was interested in what they believed was the best quality prospect rather than a bunch of lesser ones, quality over quantity. I'll find that tweet in a bit......Waldstien IIRC. Oh, I like the quality. I just wouldn't mind a scratch-off lottery ticket with my Happy Birthday bearer-bond.

Willets Point Jul 27 2011 03:19 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

metirish wrote: One of the twatters mentioned that the Mets FO was interested in what they believed was the best quality prospect rather than a bunch of lesser ones, quality over quantity. Ha, reminds of the old Metsonline WATP's that ended "and throw in a couple of prospects."

MFS62 Jul 27 2011 09:35 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

When I heard the report that the Mets had traded Beltran for Wheeler, my first thought was "Dan?" Then I remembered that Alderson is at the controls now. And I let out a sigh of relief. Later

Edgy DC Jul 27 2011 09:55 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Cheap shot. Not funny.

Farmer Ted Jul 28 2011 06:45 AM Re: Beltran to Giants

Apparently trading one switch hitter for another. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y20 ... nt=wheeler

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2011 08:52 AM Re: Beltran to Giants

BA's take on Wheeler - who they ranked 35th in their mid-season Top-50 list The sixth overall pick in 2009, Wheeler logged just 59 innings last season as he dealt with a cracked fingernail on his pitching hand—though he used the down time to iron out his pitching mechanics. A full recovery is evident in Wheeler's performance this season. He ranks among the California League leaders in strikeout rate (10.0 per nine innings, fifth) and opponent average (.224, fourth). But while he's given up just seven homers in 16 starts, he's been too liberal with walks, handing out 4.8 per nine innings. Wheeler sits in the low- to mid-90s and can dial his plus fastball up to 96 mph with a quick, easy arm action. His curveball doesn't always feature power or shape at this stage, and his changeup sometimes lacks finish, but he's flashed plus with both pitches at various points. If Wheeler sharpens at least one of them to above-average status, he's got front-of-the-rotation potential. In the end this was a good deal. Even if draft picks were a possibility by holding onto him until the end of the year, those picks couldn't have been any higher than #16 and could both have been 35th and higher making it unlikely that you'd ever get a prospect as good as Wheeler, a guy who was not only a #6 overall pick but also has 150 or so successful professional innings under his belt.

Gwreck Jul 28 2011 10:38 AM Re: Beltran to Giants

Analysis from ESPN's Keith Law: Keith Law wrote: In acquiring pitching prospect Zack Wheeler from the San Francisco Giants for Carlos Beltran, the New York Mets made out like bandits. The Giants get a piece to help them substantially this year, but with the risk of an enormous long-term cost. Wheeler, who ranked No. 31 on my most recent prospect rankings, is an elite pitching prospect with a high ceiling. The right-hander will most likely be a solid No. 2 starter, but there is some chance he will be better than that because of the big fastball. He'll touch 97 mph and sits 91-94 or better with an above-average curveball that has shown it can miss bats. He has a fringy changeup that's a little too firm, and left-handed hitters are not impressed yet, as they've hit .292/.404/.487 against him this year. The fastball-breaking ball combo is top-notch, but between the changeup and a few other issues, Wheeler is high-risk as well as high-reward. His control is below average, with three starts this year in which he walked five or more batters, and he'll have to show durability to match his frame, as he's retired more than 18 batters just twice this year. You have to add an arm like that to your system any time you get the opportunity, but even as a fan of Wheeler's I admit he's no sure thing. Beltran's value to the Giants depends largely on who he replaces. Of course, what the Giants should do is send Aubrey Huff out to pasture, but with their $12 million commitment to him next year (including his option buyout), that's not likely. They should at least park him on the bench and play Brandon Belt every day at first and Beltran in left field, which is their best offensive and defensive alignment. In the best-case scenario, if Beltran replaces Huff -- who has actually been below replacement level this year -- it's worth two wins to them the rest of the way, perhaps more given Huff's recent performance (.217/.295/.275 in July) and an obvious inability to play any position. If Beltran replaces Belt, the impact is limited, probably cut in half while also hampering Belt's development. Any other alignment is also suboptimal. Beltran's contract includes a clause forbidding his team from offering him arbitration, meaning that the Giants can't get any draft picks for him if and when he departs as a free agent. San Francisco gave up six years of control of Zack Wheeler for about 60 games of Carlos Beltran. If Wheeler sees the big leagues at all, the deal will probably end up a losing one for the Giants.

Ceetar Jul 28 2011 12:46 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Beltran to take Bochy's 15. he'll switch to 16.

themetfairy Jul 28 2011 01:31 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Ceetar wrote: Beltran to take Bochy's 15. he'll switch to 16. That's a nice gesture by Bochy.

attgig Jul 28 2011 02:43 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

mlb.com has live press conference. he's in a giants hat.... weird...

Ashie62 Jul 28 2011 02:56 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Farmer Ted wrote: Apparently trading one switch hitter for another. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y20 ... nt=wheeler Who is the last switch hitter to win the AL MVP award?

Gwreck Jul 28 2011 03:24 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Mantle. Chipper Jones for the NL.

metirish Jul 28 2011 03:33 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

themetfairy wrote: Ceetar wrote: Beltran to take Bochy's 15. he'll switch to 16. That's a nice gesture by Bochy. As long as Bochy doesn't decide to offer him his hat, he still has the biggest hat size in MLB probably .

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2011 03:45 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Ashie62 wrote: Apparently trading one switch hitter for another. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y20 ... nt=wheeler Who is the last switch hitter to win the AL MVP award? Vida Blue

sharpie Jul 28 2011 03:46 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Vida Blue is the last AL MVP switchy.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 28 2011 04:19 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

he looks sad. he misses us. all of us.

Farmer Ted Jul 28 2011 05:58 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Groundout to start his stint for SF.

Ashie62 Jul 28 2011 06:13 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

Gwreck wrote: Mantle. Chipper Jones for the NL. Nope..Vida Blue.

metirish Jul 28 2011 07:31 PM Re: Beltran to Giants

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: metirish wrote: Im Zack Wheeler I play in the San Francisco Giants organization. Im Blessed to be playing professional baseball. It has always been my dream. I'm a chilled guy Jeez Im Zack Wheeler I play in the New York Mets organization. Im Blessed to be playing professional baseball. It has always been my dream. I'm a chilled guy