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J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage Jul 28 2011 09:10 AM

Lockout is over, free agents signing, Santonio returns, time to crank it up, guys!

MFS62 Jul 28 2011 09:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I'm anxious to hear how the pending assault/self defense charge against their 3rd round pick (the DT from Hampton) will play out. The hearing was originally scheduled for July, but no word yet. The team needs an inside pass rush to counter the latest craze of three step drops and the short passing game. An outside rush can't get to the QB in time to stop it, so IMO collapsing the pocket to hurry the QB will be the emerging defensive scheme to counter it. Later

Vic Sage Jul 28 2011 03:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Brad Smith to sign with Buffalo, 4yr/$15M deal. I liked Smith, but he's a luxury.

Ashie62 Jul 28 2011 03:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: Brad Smith to sign with Buffalo, 4yr/$15M deal. I liked Smith, but he's a luxury. Yeah, liked him alot also...

Nymr83 Jul 29 2011 08:38 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

we want namdi!!! didnt we have a 2011-2012 thread already where we discussed draft picks? maybe we needed a post-lockout purge

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2011 09:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

No dice, Vic. NNamddmmi to the Iggles, 5/60. (25 guaranteed)

Kong76 Jul 30 2011 06:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: Brad Smith to sign with Buffalo, 4yr/$15M deal. I liked Smith, but he's a luxury. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2011 08:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Want a brand-new-for-2011 jersey, but you're short on cash? Put some tape over the name on that Braylon Edwards jersey... and scribble "Burress" on there.

MFS62 Jul 31 2011 11:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

He had shot himself with an illegal hand gun, so that would have made him an ideal Raider. If he had shot someone else, that would have made him an ideal Raven. But it looks like his legal issues are behind him, and some of Edwards' are still ahead of him. Welcome to the Jets, Plaxico. Later

Kong76 Jul 31 2011 11:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Great pick up! Don't know what's dumber, shooting yourself in a night club or a millionaire not having the sense to carry a legal gun. I think he's going to be huge!!

Vic Sage Jul 31 2011 07:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

i'm happy as a little girrrrrrl...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2011 08:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Would have rather had Edwards, by a long way. (It's amazing how complete a receiver he is, now that he actually catches the ball-- the downfield run blocking is generally superb, and done with gusto.) But he's not a bad consolation prize, assuming he's operable. (He "visited." Was there a workout/audition for his guaranteed money?)

MFS62 Aug 02 2011 09:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I don't know if this belongs in this thread or a WTF thread, but the Bearsss signed ex-Jet Vernon Gholston. That might be the worst personnel move by that team since George Halas cut George Blanda because he couldn't play linebacker. Now for the Jets, keep an eye on Garrett McIntyre. He is a big (6-3 270) pass rushing outside linebacker the Jets signed during the lockout. He was an effective pass rusher in the CFL last year. The Jets worked him out and really liked him. They gave him a 3 year contract with a signing bonus, so there is at least some interest there above a normal tryout player. He could turn out to be a real contributor for us in 2011. Of course, he could be a bust, too. My prediction, he ends his NFL career with more sacks than Gholston. (Right now I'm tied with Gholston for career NFL sacks) Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 02 2011 10:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

MFS62 wrote: I don't know if this belongs in this thread or a WTF thread, but the Bearsss signed ex-Jet Vernon Gholston. That might be the worst personnel move by that team since George Halas cut George Blanda because he couldn't play linebacker. He's a highly-motivated, physically-talented failure brought in on a one-year, non-guaranteed contract, on whom they're not counting for anything in particular. It's not a dumb move.

MFS62 Aug 03 2011 08:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: MFS62 wrote: I don't know if this belongs in this thread or a WTF thread, but the Bearsss signed ex-Jet Vernon Gholston. That might be the worst personnel move by that team since George Halas cut George Blanda because he couldn't play linebacker. He's a highly-motivated, physically-talented failure brought in on a one-year, non-guaranteed contract, on whom they're not counting for anything in particular. It's not a dumb move. I know. But I needed it as a setup line for my Halas/Blanda factoid. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 03 2011 10:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Oh, you! MLB David Harris signs an extension (4/36M... with 29.5 guaranteed!). As yet, DE Shaun Ellis has not. There may be a good reason for that, as first-round pick Mo Wilkerson looks DAMN good in the early going.

Vic Sage Sep 12 2011 02:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

The Jets eke out a season-opening win against Dallas and twin brother Rob's big D defense. I'm not sure how they did it, since the 3/4 of the game i watched, the Jets sucked eggs. when Sanchez threw that INT at the end of the 3rd Q, and the Jets went into the 4th down 14 points, having shown no running game, and with the O-line giving the Sanchize little time to throw, i just rolled over and went to sleep. Not only that, the D was giving up big chunks of yardage to Whitten, Austin and felix Jones, and Dez Bryant seemed like he could do whatever he wanted. Woke up to learn that the Jets D forced a bunch of turnovers in the 4th, the special teams got a blocked punt/TD and Folk kicked a 50-yarder after a Revis INT. so that doesn't change the fact that the O-line played for shit, the game plan ran away from the run, and Sanchez is only ever good when on the run, or in a 2-minute drill, or in the playoffs ... which is the mirror image of Romo, who is great, but only for 3.5 quarters of non-post season games. But its a win, and i'll take it.

Ashie62 Sep 12 2011 06:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Leon Lett snapped the airball to Romo.

Fman99 Sep 12 2011 07:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I dragged ass all day at work today because I stayed up to watch last night's game in its glorious entirety.

MFS62 Sep 13 2011 07:31 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Fman99 wrote: I dragged ass all day at work today because I stayed up to watch last night's game in its glorious entirety. Dear Abby, There is a major YLDB a work. You know, the kind that wears the Subway Series World Series and "Mutts" t-shirts and asks me "what do ya' think of this one. I try not to talk to him much. I would have sworn he woud be a Jints fan. But yesterday, he showed up with a Jets "Namath 12" jersey and a Jets sweat shirt. What do I do? (Signed) Confused

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 13 2011 11:31 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: The Jets eke out a season-opening win against Dallas and twin brother Rob's big D defense. I'm not sure how they did it, since the 3/4 of the game i watched, the Jets sucked eggs. when Sanchez threw that INT at the end of the 3rd Q, and the Jets went into the 4th down 14 points, having shown no running game, and with the O-line giving the Sanchize little time to throw, i just rolled over and went to sleep. Not only that, the D was giving up big chunks of yardage to Whitten, Austin and felix Jones, and Dez Bryant seemed like he could do whatever he wanted. Woke up to learn that the Jets D forced a bunch of turnovers in the 4th, the special teams got a blocked punt/TD and Folk kicked a 50-yarder after a Revis INT. so that doesn't change the fact that the O-line played for shit, the game plan ran away from the run, and Sanchez is only ever good when on the run, or in a 2-minute drill, or in the playoffs ... which is the mirror image of Romo, who is great, but only for 3.5 quarters of non-post season games. But its a win, and i'll take it. Yeah, pretty much. The Jags should be a team against whom they can dictate pace, including getting the running game back on track. If that doesn't happen, then it's time for some uh-ohs-- three road games against Oakland, New England and Baltimore follow.

Ashie62 Sep 18 2011 11:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Jets 49 Jags 6 uh oh, the fugly unis

metirish Sep 18 2011 02:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Noticed a lot of empty prime seats throughout the game , of course it's often hard to see as CBS seem loath to show empty seats. Big win though, and yeah those unis are awful.

MFS62 Sep 18 2011 03:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Ashie62 wrote: Jets 49 Jags 6 uh oh, the fugly unis I've been rooting for the team since those were their full time unis. And they are now 5-1 when wearing them when they go retro. Later

Frayed Knot Sep 18 2011 03:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

metirish wrote: Noticed a lot of empty prime seats throughout the game , of course it's often hard to see as CBS seem loath to show empty seats. There's no truth to the rumor that NFL execs have guns trained on the heads of network producers ready to pull the trigger if/when they allow shots of empty seats to be shown to the viewing public ... but I think the network guys take great care to play it safe just in case.

Willets Point Sep 18 2011 06:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Shouldn't they save those throwback uniforms for a game against another original AFL team. Maybe old Boston Patriots or Oakland Raiders uniforms could come out for the occasion.

Fman99 Sep 18 2011 07:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Encouraging stuff, nice to see them take care of the shitty teams on their schedule. Next up is Oakland.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 18 2011 09:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Fman99 wrote: Encouraging stuff, nice to see them take care of the shitty teams on their schedule. Next up is Oakland. Something they haven't done enough of in the last two seasons (and the reason they've had to beat a generous Indianapolis and Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh each of the last two years, respectively, just to get in). Oakland may be a little tricky on the road-- the front four are nasty when healthy, and their running game is as good as any.

Vic Sage Sep 19 2011 02:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2011 11:57 AM

the most important unit of any team is the offensive line, and ours is shockingly bad so far this year. We were lucky to escape with a W in Dallas, and the Jags just suck. I think Oakland will give us a all we can handle this week, and if we don't start keeping extra blockers in on passes, we could get the Sanchize hospitalized.

HahnSolo Sep 20 2011 08:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

And no Mangold for 2-3 games.

MFS62 Sep 20 2011 08:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

My grandson plays quarterback for his pee-wee team (he throws lefty), and just told us he wants Jets gear (shirts and hat) from Santa. Later

HahnSolo Oct 03 2011 08:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

It's getting late early for this team. OL without Mangold is dreadful (and it wasn't all that hot when Mangold was there). Shonn Greene is not a feature back. Nor is LT. Still no front four pass rush, though the different looks last night certainly confused Flacco enough. The defense did enough last night.

Vic Sage Oct 03 2011 11:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: the most important unit of any team is the offensive line, and ours is shockingly bad so far this year. We were lucky to escape with a W in Dallas, and the Jags just suck. I think Oakland will give us a all we can handle this week, and if we don't start keeping extra blockers in on passes, we could get the Sanchize hospitalized. this, again, plus no pressure on D. Flacco had time to knit a sweater. we suuuuuuuck. The decision to trade up for Sanchez, instead of just waiting for Josh Freeman, is looking worse and worse.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 03 2011 12:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: the most important unit of any team is the offensive line, and ours is shockingly bad so far this year. We were lucky to escape with a W in Dallas, and the Jags just suck. I think Oakland will give us a all we can handle this week, and if we don't start keeping extra blockers in on passes, we could get the Sanchize hospitalized. Pretty damn close, after last night. Hell, the nightmares alone should land him in a mental hospital for some "rest."

Fman99 Oct 03 2011 06:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I thought the Raiders game was a blip. Now I'm antsy. They looked hellabad yesterday.

Fman99 Oct 17 2011 07:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

These guys suck a big green cock.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 17 2011 08:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

They're more awkward-above-clothes-rubbing since the first quarter. Thankfully, they're playing the AFC East's blowjob queens.

Ashie62 Oct 17 2011 09:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Miami is horrid. David Harris drilled QB Matt Moore..bad...Jets 3-3.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2011 09:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

The ESPN-led assault on the senses - **GRAPHICS, ANNOUNCERS, COMMERCIALS, PROMOS, STATS, CRAWLS** (not to mention Berman) - is reminding me why I rarely watch MNF unless one of the locals is involved. And it would be real nice if the pundits (not just on MNF but virtually everywhere) stopped blaming every dropped pass, blown coverage, and sloppy tackle on the lockout and its associated missed off-season workouts and reduction in full-contact practices. -- 'Gee, if only we could take these guys and lock them in dorms 24/7 with the same restrictions as those in private school sororities circa 1955, then we could drill them in two-a-days and skull sessions for six months on end prior to the season starting and really see some good football !'

MFS62 Oct 17 2011 09:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

This win is going to look like the last girl in the bar at closing time - good tonight, but terrible tomorrow. You've got to tell us more about being locked in a private school sorority house. Later

Vic Sage Oct 18 2011 09:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

as bad as they looked throughout most of the 1st half, they beat a bad team by 18 points, so a little credit is due. but all those 3-and-outs and blown coverages (guys were all alone waiving their hands in the air; the Miami QB just didn't see them) continue to be a bad indicator of what this team is. and is not.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2011 10:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Salfino has a point here. And it's a little galling. On first and 10 in the first quarter, the Jets are 51.72% run and 48.28% pass. However, in the first quarter, on second and 10 (presumably on incompletions), the Jets run 100% of the time. Last year in the first quarter on second and 10, they ran 82.35% of the. But on second and 9 in the first quarter (presumably after a failed run) the Jets PASS 100% of the time in 2011 and 75% of the time in 2010. So, fail a pass play, run. Fail a run play, pass. This doesn’t seem that hard to defend, does it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 21 2011 05:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Francesa's branching out! And then something strange happens around the 4:10 mark of the video. Revis says, "I don't care who said it [was a penalty]. You, Jon Gruden, whoever. I don't care." Followed by: "Darrelle, stop," from a previously unknown, heavy-breathing voice. Francesa: "Who's that talking?" No-longer mystery man: "This is Jared Winley from the Jets PR staff." (Note: Last year, we explained how Winley allegedly was the go-between for Brett Favre's seduction of Jenn Sterger.) Revis: "This is why nobody wants to get interviewed by him!" Francesa: "Oh stop, get back. What're you getting on there for?" Revis: "Whatever, dude." Winley: "Darrelle, hang up." Revis: "Bye." Francesa: "What is he hanging up for?" (Dial tone.)

Fman99 Oct 21 2011 07:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

You mean, someone hung up on him? Just because he's a big fat cunt? SHOCKING.

Edgy DC Oct 24 2011 01:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

That's what I want to hear more of.

metirish Oct 24 2011 01:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Listening to the whole thing it wasn't handled at all good by the PR guy.......kudos for hanging up on the smug fucker, it only fueled Francesa though listening to his big rant after the hangup......Mike as victim.

Vic Sage Nov 07 2011 11:59 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

big win over the Bills in Buffalo. The D played a whole game against a good buffalo attack. The offense tried to shoot itself in the foot (again) but turned it on in the 2nd half. Plax has another good game. Better running game, too. I still wish we had taken Josh Freeman over Sanchez and saved the draft picks, but that's for another day. With the Giant win over Shady Brady and Bellicheat, the Jets/Pats game next week features hated rivals, tied with Buffalo atop the AFC East, facing off in a big game on Sunday night, at the Meadowlands (or whateverthehellitscalled) J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!

Ceetar Nov 07 2011 12:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: With the Giant win over Shady Brady and Bellicheat, the Jets/Pats game next week features hated rivals, tied with Buffalo atop the AFC East, facing off in a big game on Sunday night, at the Meadowlands (or whateverthehellitscalled) Metlife stadium, which has been in existence for all of like 2 months, is already dealing with some dead lightbulbs. Half the M and all of the F are dark.

metirish Nov 07 2011 12:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

A guy I work with was at Metlife stadium last week and said the food choices were bad and compared to Citi Field awful.

Ceetar Nov 07 2011 12:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

metirish wrote: A guy I work with was at Metlife stadium last week and said the food choices were bad and compared to Citi Field awful. I was there last summer, wasn't great.

G-Fafif Nov 07 2011 04:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

If you miss the Jets at Shea -- or still idealize Matt Robinson as I do -- this is the book for you. Terrific oral history covering the Michaels and Walton eras.

HahnSolo Nov 14 2011 11:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Not much to say about last night. But I would like to give a big "F you" to the NFL and its TV-schedule partners. The Jets next game is this Thursday night. it will be their 10th game, however it will be their fifth game in prime time. I've got an 8-year-old who is crazy about the Jets, but will not be able to watch a complete game, again, on Thursday. Boo!

metirish Nov 14 2011 11:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

HahnSolo wrote: Not much to say about last night. But I would like to give a big "F you" to the NFL and its TV-schedule partners. The Jets next game is this Thursday night. it will be their 10th game, however it will be their fifth game in prime time. I've got an 8-year-old who is crazy about the Jets, but will not be able to watch a complete game, again, on Thursday. Boo! that sucks, I went to be , checked some scores a little after 11pm and saw the 4th quarter had 11 minutes to go, way to fecking long and boring.

Frayed Knot Nov 14 2011 11:56 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

That's the curse in the NFL of having a good team - the better you are the fewer day games you get. And even the day games you do get are more often 4PM games, something which is OK for TV watchers but suxx for ticket holders because, at least for cities in the east or upper mid-west, once you get past about November 1st a 4 o'clock game might as well be a night games from a temperature/darkness standpoint.

Vic Sage Nov 14 2011 12:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

so my brother calls me before the game, to make sure i'm going to watch and to assure me that we're going to kick Brady's ass. But here's the problem... my brother is about 9 years older than me. He was about 16 when the Jets won their super bowl. I was 7. I have no recollection of it. So his fandom is formed by first-hand experience of the Jets' 1 and only championship, and thus he continues to operate under the delusion that it can happen again. I am under no delusion. I recognize the huge cosmic "fuck you" that being a Jets fan signifies. So when he called, i told him the fact that we'd been playing well lately and the Pats poorly and that this was a key game in taking control of the divisional race were all factors that REQUIRED the Jets to crash and burn. Because they had to set us up for the disappointment first, or it would not be sufficiently painful. He scoffed. But he didn't take my call this morning.

Fman99 Nov 16 2011 06:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

HahnSolo wrote: Not much to say about last night. But I would like to give a big "F you" to the NFL and its TV-schedule partners. The Jets next game is this Thursday night. it will be their 10th game, however it will be their fifth game in prime time. I've got an 8-year-old who is crazy about the Jets, but will not be able to watch a complete game, again, on Thursday. Boo! I love the prime time games. The 1 PM starts here are often not shown thanks to the 'Cuse being a secondary market for Buffalo Bills "football."

Edgy DC Nov 16 2011 08:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

50 greatest Jets, and yet no Richard Todd.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 17 2011 11:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Well, yeah. Because he kind of sucked. You know, like this year's Jetly edition.

TransMonk Nov 18 2011 07:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Well, my favorite NFL team may not win another game this season, but I'm seriously thinking about cheering for Denver for the rest of this season. Their style of play is destined to fail in the long term, but the excitement around Tebow is interesting to me. Also, that was a tough loss for the Jets. But, IMO their schedule gives them a chance to get things right down the stretch.

MFS62 Nov 18 2011 07:34 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

They lost to a college player, who was playing a high school style offense. No excuses, they should be ashamed. It was an embarrasment. Later

Fman99 Nov 18 2011 10:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I went to bed, tired and drunk, after three quarters. I wish they had started at 8 instead of 8:30. And now I'm glad I missed the end of this debacle. Fucking hell.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2011 01:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

TransMonk wrote: Well, my favorite NFL team may not win another game this season, but I'm seriously thinking about cheering for Denver for the rest of this season. Their style of play is destined to fail in the long term, but the excitement around Tebow is interesting to me. It is weirdly fascinating. Even as it was happening, a tiny part of me was excited about the improbability of that last drive. Plus, between the offense, the cult around the QB, and the bouncy vibe around Denver, the whole thing feels very "Friday Night Lights." Even with the Tebow media overkill, it's oddly charming.

Edgy DC Nov 18 2011 08:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Well, yeah. Because he kind of sucked. You know, like this year's Jetly edition. Oh, come on, like his legacy doesn't hold up perfectly well next to the likes of Ken O'Brien (#24). To say nothing of Pennington and Testeverde (35 and 34). Richard Todd is beautiful.

Vic Sage Nov 18 2011 08:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I saw him beat Kenny Stabler and the Raiders on a beautiful fall day at Shea. He was flawed but i liked him. unlike the Sanchize, who i dislike more each time i see him. i want to rip that mole off and shove it down his throat. and Tim Tebow is so uncharming to me, i'd set him on fire except he'd think it was a promotion.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2011 09:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

He had one decent season, and was a semi-lovable awful gunner for the rest of it. Testaverde led maybe the best Jet offense/overall team ever, Pennington was the most efficient QB the Jets ever had, and Ken O. outpassed Marino, Kosar and Elway a few times way back when, and had several good years for playoff contenders. Hell, I'd take Pat Ryan over Dick Todd every Alabamming time.

Edgy DC Nov 18 2011 09:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Was his decent season 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, or 1983? (Probably not 1980, but still.) Compares perfectly fine to O'Brien. He's top 15 or 20 if not for AJ Duhe. But O'Brien crumbled in the big one against Miami too. Except it was more literal in his case. Is O'Brien so grossly superior? Check the numbers. Only if you discount rushing yards and getting sacked and sacked and sacked and sacked and sacked. I've long since given up interest in football. But not in justice!

Ashie62 Nov 18 2011 10:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Edgy DC wrote: 50 greatest Jets, and yet no Richard Todd. A.J Duhe.

Ashie62 Nov 18 2011 10:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Edgy DC wrote: 50 greatest Jets, and yet no Richard Todd. A.J Duhe.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2011 10:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

1981, but 1982 was good, too. So, granted, a good season-and-a-half. But take away Duhe, and Hot Toddy still threw something like 150 interceptions in green (as compared to 120-something scores). Jay Cutler led the league in picks in '09 with 26, and Phillip Rivers is on pace for 29 this year; Cutler's season ranks among the most quizzically awful seasons for an established QB in the last several decades, and Rivers is on the way there. Todd's career INT percentage is worse than either QB's in those seasons. It's worse than Bobby friggin' Douglass'. O'Brien at his best equaled or surpassed Todd at his best. O'Brien at his worst didn't do much to win ballgames; Todd at his worst-- which was often-- actively murdered his teams' chances to win at all.

Edgy DC Nov 19 2011 06:32 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Good double-post, Ashie. You're comparing guys across several decades when teams were looking for different things at different times from their quarterbacks. Joe Namath, completing 50.1% of his passes, threw for more picks than touchdowns also. He led the league in interceptions four times. And he's number one. I just want Richard Todd to get some of the same breaks as his QB brethren. Ten Cool Things About the Mixed Legacy of Richard Todd [list=1][*]Followed Namath and Stabler at Alabama.[/*:m] [*]Would go on to replace Namath and Stabler with the Jets and the Saints, respectively[/*:m] [*]Once joined Namath in the only game in which two quarterbacks put up a zero passer rating. (Namath's last game.)[/*:m] [*]Had a violent locker room confrontation with Steve Serby, and any press (and fan) support was hard won after that.[/*:m] [*]Threw for 400 yards on two different occasions.[/*:m] [*]About the Mud Bowl game, he said, "We were prepared. I was ready."[/*:m] [*]Throughout his career and still today has been a licensed pilot.[/*:m] [*]Still in the top 100 in passing yards in NFL history.[/*:m] [*]Saved the world from certain doom at the hands of Ming the Merciless, but they had to change his name for the movie.[/*:m] [*]Is now a big shot with Bear Stearns.[/*:m][/list:o]

batmagadanleadoff Nov 19 2011 09:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

> (But We Want Matt).

MFS62 Nov 20 2011 09:21 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

batmagadanleadoff wrote: (But We Want Matt). Brilliant. Later

Elster88 Dec 08 2011 10:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

No one posts when the Jets win. It must be more fun to bash them? Or is it more comfortable to be miserable that it is to be happy? Jets are 7-5 and tied with the Broncos, Raiders, Bengals, and Titans for the last playoff spot. The Jets are tied for the worst conference record of these teams (5-5) and lost to the Broncos and Raiders so it's going to be hard to win tiebreakers. The Jets need to win out to have a solid chance to get in. They aren't getting the East and the Steelers and Ravens will both go at least 12-4, even though Roesthlisbibble hurt himself today. Week 14 - 12/11 - vs Kansas City - they're saying Palko is the worst quarterback in the league. I figure if the Jets don't win this one they don't deserve to make the playoffs. I said the same things about Tebow and the Broncos before that game too. Week 15 - 12/18 - at Philadelphia - Vick will be back in Week 14, good for the Eagles because Vince Young is gawd-awful. Somehow Vick tricked people last year into forgetting that he was a terrible passer before he was locked up, but once he started bounce-passing five yard outs again people began remembering. This team has flushed its season down the toilet, Andy Reid's fat ass might finally get fired. Week 16 - 12/24 (Saturday) - vs Giants - I think this is the toughest game left on the schedule. Maybe they'll be able to run with Bradshaw back. Supposedly they're banged up on defense, but who knows what guys will be back by the time this game rolls around. I think Eli has been really good. I am always wrong when I pick this team, I'm in a picks league and I'm 1-6 picking any game involving the Giants. So since I think this is the toughest game left then the Jets will probably run away with it. Week 17 - 1/1 - at Miami - I have no fear of the Dolphins, no matter how many mediocre and shitty teams they blow out. On the other hand, the Jets might really be a mediocre-to-shitty team, especially when Sanchize is up to his tricks. Denver - vs Chicago, vs New England, at Buffalo, vs Kansas City (6-3 against the AFC, beat the Jets) Oakland - at Green Bay, vs Detroit, at Kansas City, vs San Diego (5-5 AFC, beat the Jets) The Jets only need to finish ahead of one of the Broncos or Raiders, because one of those teams will win the West. The Broncos should lose to New England, and the Raiders definitely lose to Green Bay, so one of them should max out at ten wins. Plus the Raiders have been bad since Campbell got hurt. And I refuse to believe in the Broncos. At least one of these teams will finish with less wins than the Jets. Tennessee - vs Saints, at Indianapolis, vs Jacksonville, at Houston (5-4 AFC) Chris Johnson is nasty again and their schedule isn't that bad. The Colts are going 0-16 and Jacksonville is bad. The Saints can stink it up on the road, and the Texans are on their third quarterback. Hopefully the good Saints team shows up. Maybe for Houston Tyler Yates will play well and Andre Johnson will be back and the last week will actually mean something. Cincinnati - vs Houston, at St. Louis, vs Arizona, vs Baltimore (6-4 AFC) Even though they haven't beaten a good team yet (just like the Jets), I think this is the biggest threat. I hope Houston's defense and running game is enough to get them a win, and that Baltimore still has something to play for in week 17. If Sanchez hadn't thrown that pick-six against the Broncos there's no way the Jets lose that game. That would've made this picture a lot prettier. Damn you Sanchez. For some reason I still think the guy might still become an above-average quarterback, but that's probably just because he's mysteriously performed in the fourth quarter and in the playoffs. And it's just because I'm a moron. I like the way Plaxico is starting to play, and Kerley is coming back. Hopefully they let Leonhard field all the punts from here on out. And the defense can keep playing pretty well, and Greene can run people over in the cold weather. I see it like this: Denver 9-7 Oakland 8-8 Tennessee 10-6 Cincinnati 10-6 Jets 11-5 Wildcard playoff: Jets 20, Houston 14: Yates plays poorly thrown into the fire of a playoff game Divisional playoff: Jets 17, Baltimore 7: 5 interceptions thrown by Flacco, 2 and a fumble for Sanchez AFC championship: Jets 52, New England 3: Fuck the Patriots Super Bowl: Green Bay 38, Jets 24: Jets need a pass rusher before they can slow down Rodgers. Maybin's not that guy.

Elster88 Dec 08 2011 10:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: He had one decent season, and was a semi-lovable awful gunner for the rest of it. Testaverde led maybe the best Jet offense/overall team ever, Pennington was the most efficient QB the Jets ever had, and Ken O. outpassed Marino, Kosar and Elway a few times way back when, and had several good years for playoff contenders. Hell, I'd take Pat Ryan over Dick Todd every Alabamming time. I love Vinny.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2011 09:45 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

The Jets are playing decently over the last two games, but not, y'know, all that well. Washington was in last week's game until the 55-minute mark, and the Bills game, by all rights, should have been lost. I like the Jets' chances-- to an extent-- as long as the line play remains solid, and the injuries don't pile up any more. But the difference between this team and, say, the Bengals is that the other guys have handily beaten everyone they should, while the Jets have generally escaped those sorts of games.

Nymr83 Dec 11 2011 04:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Yay,a win. Leonard out for the year with a leg injury again. FUCKKKKKK

themetfairy Dec 11 2011 05:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Injury aside, it was a fun game to attend -

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2011 05:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Great football weather. (Got to admit, though... although I make a similar seasonal transition-- at least on Sundays-- it's a little disorienting seeing the MF clan in green.)

themetfairy Dec 11 2011 07:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I wear lots of different colors - LOL

Fman99 Dec 11 2011 07:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Well I better post now that the Jets won, lest Elster judge my Jets fan street cred. Yay Jets, way to beat the shitty awful Chiefs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2011 07:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

So, yeah, there's that trap game.

MFS62 Dec 18 2011 07:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Not too many Jets fans proudly wearing the green tomorrow. That was awful. Later

Nymr83 Dec 19 2011 09:05 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I drove to Philly for that disgusting mess, it was the most miserable sports experience of my life. Fucking jets.

Fman99 Dec 19 2011 10:21 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

This game hurt my feelings.

Frayed Knot Dec 19 2011 10:24 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Weird thing about that whole debacle of an afternoon for NY/NJ football is that it didn't manage to kill either of their playoffs hopes - even though any team losing twice to the Redskins in the same season should be automatically excluded just on that basis alone. In fact neither team even seems to have their odds damaged as Pete Rozelle's dream of having every mediocre team still in the hunt heading into the final few weeks lives on. The only thing yesterday really did was kill the possibility of [u:2va2v1l7]Both[/u:2va2v1l7] teams making it and even that's only on account of their upcoming head-to-head - and that just makes Saturday's game a bit more fun.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 19 2011 10:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

The worst part of this game for me was that it sucked me back in just before halftime with stupid, stupid false hope. But then... I had the option of channel-switching. (Between the weather, the wait until the next game, and the unsympathetic drunken a-hole density, I don't think any gut-punch loss is worse to personally attend than a wintertime, away-game football loss. Condolences, Nymr.)

Nymr83 Dec 22 2011 07:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Nicks and Manning are talking about challenging Revis... Hah! Throwing the ball in the direction of Darelle Revis 10 times is a great blueprint for a JETS victory! The less passes I see against Smith/Pool trying to defend a tight end the better!

Ceetar Dec 22 2011 07:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Nymr83 wrote: Nicks and Manning are talking about challenging Revis... Hah! Throwing the ball in the direction of Darelle Revis 10 times is a great blueprint for a JETS victory! The less passes I see against Smith/Pool trying to defend a tight end the better! The Giants don't have a tight end. But Revis can only cover one of Nicks, Manning and Cruz.

Nymr83 Dec 22 2011 08:35 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Ceetar wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Nicks and Manning are talking about challenging Revis... Hah! Throwing the ball in the direction of Darelle Revis 10 times is a great blueprint for a JETS victory! The less passes I see against Smith/Pool trying to defend a tight end the better! The Giants don't have a tight end. But Revis can only cover one of Nicks, Manning and Cruz. Cromartie is no slouch, and the best part of his game is man-to-man on deep routes down the sideline, which seems to be how the Giants used Cruz last I saw (is this still the case with all 3 of them healthy?). The way to beat the Jets in the passing game is to ignore Revis and Cromartie and throw to the middle of the field. Kyle Wilson won't be stopping the Giants 3rd receiver.

Fman99 Dec 24 2011 06:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Yecch.

Nymr83 Dec 27 2011 08:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Sanchez Sucks. Schottenheimer Sucks. And its time for Rex Ryan to shut his trap at least until the Jets win the division or make it back to the AFC Championship game.

TransMonk Dec 27 2011 08:10 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Nymr83 wrote: And its time for Rex Ryan to shut his trap at least until the Jets win the division or make it back to the AFC Championship game. I'd say he can keep his trap shut until he wins a ring or three.

MFS62 Dec 27 2011 08:32 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

First, the Mets lost Reyes. Then, The Nets' Brook Lopez broke his foot. Now, the Jets lost. Forget any other holiday seasons. Since then end of the baseball season, it has been passover for my teams. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 27 2011 09:49 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Not only did they reward our faith with a gigantic, nerve-tweaking turd of a performance, but that last we-don't-give-a-shit-anymore TD they let up to Bradshaw ended up being the losing margin and then some of my fantasy championship game. So, y'know, thanks for that, too. I hope the next 16-year-old you molest has the clap, Pretty Boy.

Ashie62 Dec 28 2011 05:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Jetsies...draft a QB.

TransMonk Dec 29 2011 07:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I was surprised after making my game picks yesterday to find that if the games go the way I picked them, the Jets squeak into that last playoff spot. It's a longshot, but still possible.

Nymr83 Dec 29 2011 12:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Yo picked Houston, who I believe are locked into the 3 seed and therefore likely to rest starters, to defeat the Titans?

TransMonk Dec 29 2011 01:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Yup. A) I believe Houston is already starting backups at many key positions. I'm not sure who they would sit them for. B) In my mind, it would behoove them to play the Titans as hard as they can in preparation for the playoffs. They may be the 3 seed, but they are not the third best team in the conference playoffs. If they have any hope at all of winning playoff games, they need all the Sunday practices they can get. The pick is certainly not a lock. If you know how confidence points work, I only have it as a five. I've done quite OK picking games this year, though.

Frayed Knot Jan 01 2012 12:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

You might be able to find a sloppier half of football played this season than the front half of this Jets-Dolphins tilt but, if so, it would probably involve a game with a dozen or so hungover 30-somethings at your local park trying to keep their traditional two-hand touch 'Turkey Bowl' game alive for one more year.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 01 2012 02:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Between the cavalcade of inexplicable Sanchez INTs, the rejoicing fair-weather fans, and the Buffett playing loudly after every score, this game's ending couldn't have been more offensive to my sensibilities had Greg Gumbel started talking about how stupid my daughter looks, with the producers then cutting to a shot of drunk guys in MFY hats pawing my topless mom.

Ashie62 Jan 01 2012 02:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Mark Sanchez sucks.

MFS62 Jan 01 2012 05:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Ashie62 wrote: Mark Sanchez sucks. I had been mesmerized by the flashes he had shown late in playoff games and all those regular season come-from-behind wins. I was ready to chalk up this year's problems to the Offensive Coordinator and the O-line. But Sanchez still makes mistakes he shouldn't be making in his third full year. I'm beginning to think he might be the Angel Pagan of quarterbacks. Oh, and Schottenheimer has to go. Quickly. Later

Nymr83 Jan 01 2012 08:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

This loss was 90 percent on Sanchez, who can't hit a receiver wide open or apparently even get the ball past the line sometimes! The Jest will never win a superbowl with him at QB, even if the running game returns to its lofty level of 2 years ago. I know its painful because he was a high pick, makes lots of dough, and shows flashes of decency, but its time to move on.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 01 2012 10:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

After taking a little time to breathe and think about it calmly, it occurs to me that he may not be done. -- A change of QB coach might do some good. Matt Cavanaugh's most recent jobs before coming to the Jets? OC of the Ravens during the Dilfer/Grbac era (the ne plus ultra of "you don't need offense to win"); later, after being relieved of playcalling duties, he served as their de facto QB coach, grooming Kyle Boller; then, OC at Pitt, where he chose to start Tyler Palko over Joe Flacco. It occurs to me that this guy-- whose only real "success" has been in play-not-to-lose offenses-- MIGHT not be the guy to maximize Sanchez's potential. -- Sanchez has never been a super-accurate short-pass QB; forcing him to check-down continually over the course of two seasons may have messed with his confidence/timing on the intermediate-to-long-range stuff, while producing only limited improvement (and that's being kind) on the short stuff. His judgement issues on some short stuff-- in full evidence today-- may have their roots in this, as well. -- The massive WR churn during these three years can't have helped. With timing and hot routes becoming an ever-more important part of the passing game, the lack of continuity here (especially during/between the last two years) has almost-definitely disrupted this portion of the offense to some extent. And though his accuracy was at times brutal, this year's iteration of the corps dropped a TON of balls on him (by my count, Holmes had at least five key drops in the last 2 games). He's been terrible, and a big part of the reason I haven't been able to watch these last few games with my curse-absorbent daughter awake or in the room. But he ain't necessarily done.

Nymr83 Jan 02 2012 06:08 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I used to be a "defender of the Sanchize" but, much like trying to defend Rey Ordonez at the plate, it just doesn't work. -blaming the QB coach is a cop-out. Coaches don't fumble the ball, they don't throw interceptions straight to defensive linemen, and they don't check-down to Shonn Greene on every 3rd and long. -Sanchez is completely inaccurate on long throws and not even accurate on short ones! Most of the INTs/drops are HIS fault, even when he hits a receiver they often have to stop for the ball, I've never seen him hit a guy in-stride down the field. This isn't a small thing. Chad Pennington was successful with a noodle arm because he completed a high percentage of his passes and properly led receivers. If you can't throw down the field and you can't be 60+% accurate (and Sanchez isn't even close) then what DO you bring to the table? -the nicest throw down the field that I saw yesterday was thrown by Jeremy Kerley. Just saying. Its true that Jets receivers (and Shonn "stonehands" Greene) drop some balls, but I don't think they drop more than most other teams and I do think that a lot of their drops are partially a result of Sanchez constantly throwing behind them.

Frayed Knot Jan 02 2012 07:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Just watching (much of) the two games yesterday pointed out stark differences in how to handle trouble. * Eli, when things broke down, managed to heave the ball away safely and legally (no grounding penalties) most of the time * and even Romo, a guy I'm pretty sure isn't spending his off days at MENSA picnics, at least had the good sense to take a sack when all his other options were spent * Sanchez, on the other hand, would have several 300-pounders hanging off him but even that never stopped him from trying desperation shot-put-like passes which, more often than not, wound up in the hands of Dolphins usually after first hitting off two helmets and some lineman's ass.

Fman99 Jan 02 2012 07:40 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Fboy wants the Jets to "free agent him." I didn't argue.

Nymr83 Jan 02 2012 08:16 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

In case anyone was wondering, the Jest will be finding new and exciting ways to lose to these teams in 2012, according to The Post: The Jets 2012 schedule will be: Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, Cardinals, Texans, Colts, 49ers and Raiders at home; and Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, Jaguars, Seahawks, Rams, Titans and Steelers on the road

HahnSolo Jan 02 2012 11:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I'm OK with seeing what Sanchez can do with a new OC. Ditto Shonn Greene. But my patience with both is wearing thin. This is a big offseason for Tanny. They need a major talent overhaul in a lot of places.

HahnSolo Jan 02 2012 11:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Nymr83 wrote: In case anyone was wondering, the Jest will be finding new and exciting ways to lose to these teams in 2012, according to The Post: The Jets 2012 schedule will be: Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, Cardinals, Texans, Colts, 49ers and Raiders at home; and Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, Jaguars, Seahawks, Rams, Titans and Steelers on the road Is that right about the NFC West. Last time they played that division, they had road games at SF and SEA (remember the SEA loss, after which we all thoguht for sure Schotty would get canned) and were home for ARI (the Anquan Boldin broken face game) and STL. I thought things would flip next year, so we'd be at ARI and STL and have the west coast teams come here.

Nymr83 Jan 02 2012 12:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Hahn, I only posted what the Post's beat writer said. Brian Schotteheimer will interview for the Jaguars vacant HC position!! Please let it happen!

Ashie62 Jan 02 2012 01:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Nymr83 wrote: Hahn, I only posted what the Post's beat writer said. Brian Schotteheimer will interview for the Jaguars vacant HC position!! Please let it happen! Marty S. get your kid the job!!!

Vic Sage Jan 02 2012 01:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

i have been unhappy with Sanchez's development, too, but lets shed a little reality on the situation. 1) His QB rating, and all his other stats, indicate substantial improvement in each of his 3 seasons (including this one) [the only negative stat that went up this year was the number of sacks his offensive lineman caused him to take]; 2) He came out after his freshman year, so he's only now at the age that most NFL quarterbacks get drafted in the first place; 3) He has decent arm strength and adequate mobility, with more than average overall athleticism; 4) He has already shown an ability to win games -- to win them late, to win them at the end of the season, to win them in the playoffs. Before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, i would like to see him get another shot under a different OC, who devised an offense around his strengths (play action, throwing on the run, rolling out) and a re-emergent running game, rather than Shotty's plan of giving Sanchez all kinds of options and calls to make at the line, while under ridiculous amounts of pressure. The fact is, Sanchez has twice taken us to the AFC finals, so he's not incapable of leading a winning team. And he is still at an age and point in his development where improvement is not only possible, but likely, given his history of improvement to date. "Sanchez Sucks" is just a knee-jerk reaction to a shitty season. About a dozen teams in the league would be glad to take a chance on him. Now, whether he can climb into the top-tier of QBs is yet to be determined, but it's too soon to give up on him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 02 2012 02:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I'm also quite certain that I heard the very same sort of things out of Giants fans in, say, the 2006 offseason about Eli. There's room for growth here. Whether he eventually achieves that, well, that's something else.

Nymr83 Jan 02 2012 02:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I disagree strongly with regard to your statement that his arm strength is adequate... He completed TWO passes over 30yds all season! And I still maintain that his accuracy stinks, particularly for someone who can't throw deep. I'd also take issue with the statement that "he" got us to two AFC championship games... The defense and the running game did that with Sanchez along for the ride. Would a "dozen" teams in the league want him as you claim? I'd say no. But more importantly I think he has NO SHOT at "elite" status. His upside is Joe Flacco and I think the improvements have been too few and too small. Its hard to break it down, because you can't account for who would rather have a tiny upgrade now and who would rather have a prospect or a guy with greater potential for later, but here's my best guess based on the logic that you'd take all the guys currently better than Sanchez over him plus the guys who are about equal to him NOW but with higher upside, plus the guys slightly behind him but with much higher upside (but leaving out guys who have done nothing at all like Ponder): Its a rough sketch, but a basis for further conversation/debate: Teams that would not want Sanchez AT ALL: NYG (Manning), PHI (Vick), DAL (Romo), GB (Rodgers), CHI (Cutler), DET (Stafford), NO (Brees), ATL (Ryan), CAR (Newton), NE (Brady), IND (Manning), HOU (Schaub), BAL (Flacco), PIT (Roethlisberger), CIN (Dalton), SD (Rivers), KC (Cassel) Teams that arguably are upgraded by Sanchez, I'd rather stick with who they have personally: TB (Freeman), STL (Bradford), OAK (Palmer) Teams that arguably are upgraded by Sanchez, I'd stick with Sanchez personally but I think its pretty debateable: SF (Smith), ARZ (Kolb), MIA (Moore), BUF (Fitzpatrick), TEN (Hasselbeck/Locker), DEN (Tebow) Teams that WOULD be upgraded by Sanchez: WAS (Grossman), MIN (Ponder), SEA (Jackson), JAC (Gabbert), CLE (McCoy) You can also add the following QBs, presently backups, free agents to be, or draft picks, that some of the team at the bottom would arguably rather have (to me I'd rather have the first 3 given the choice): Andrew Luck, RG3, Matt Flynn (FA after this year), Jason Campbell (also a FA) So its 11 (8 after the draft and Flynn signing) by my count but as few as 2 (the 2 draft picks, Flynn, and if you like Campbell) and as many as 14 if you give Sanchez all the toss ups and don't like either FA or draft pick.

Frayed Knot Jan 02 2012 03:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: 2) He came out after his freshman year, so he's only now at the age that most NFL quarterbacks get drafted in the first place; Huh? He's now 25, having entered USC in Fall 2005 and wasn't drafted until Spring 2009 He didn't start all the time in college so maybe only had one full year as the main guy under center before arriving at the NFL but certainly wasn't a freshman or 19 y/o at draft time. And, yes, I had to look all that up, but did so specifically because I knew that the NFL retains a tight set of reins on when players can declare for the draft meaning there was no way he could simply waltz into the league after just his freshman year.

Nymr83 Jan 02 2012 03:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Sanchez redshirted his 1st year (Matt Leinart was the Sr. QB), he sat his 2nd year behind John David Booty, he started a bit his 3rd year (only after Booty got hurt), and was the starter his 4th year as a "redshirt junior"... He gave up one year of eligibility to enter the draft, which is pretty much the norm. The only thing abnormal for him (compared to most top pick QBs) is that he was only the starter in college for one full year.

Vic Sage Jan 02 2012 09:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

1) analyzing EXACTLY how many teams might want him, as opposed to the 12 i threw out there for arguments' sake, is an intriguing waste of time, especially considering the analysis ended up with a result of between 2 and 14, which is as meaningless a result as one could expect. 2) He played 1 year of college QB; that isn't like "most QBs coming out" nor is it even like very many. It's the experiential (not chronological) equivalent of a freshman coming out, who has now completed 3 more seasons at the pro level, instead of the college level. He was unusually inexperienced to come out and become a starting QB. 3) yes, the team made it to the AFC finals two years based on defense and a running game, but those folks who actually watched him play instead of barking at him from behind beer glasses, saw him play pretty well in those post-seasons. And for better or worse, QBs lead their teams. And his leadership qualities are some of his strongest attributes, so dismissing them utterly is predictable but unpersuasive. 4) the number of deep balls he threw this year is ENTIRELY about the OC and the play-calling and says NOTHING about his arm strength. He doesn't have a cannon, but a blind drunk can still see he has plenty of arm. More than Montana ever had, and enough to be a successful pro QB. Yes, inaccuracy is always going to be a problem for him, but every year his % has gone up, his TDs have gone up, his INTs have gone down. And I don't think his improvement has leveled off. You do, apparently. OK. Time will tell.

Ashie62 Jan 02 2012 10:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Mark Sanchez sucks.

Nymr83 Jan 02 2012 10:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Vic Sage wrote: 1) analyzing EXACTLY how many teams might want him, as opposed to the 12 i threw out there for arguments' sake, is an intriguing waste of time, especially considering the analysis ended up with a result of between 2 and 14, which is as meaningless a result as one could expect. I was pointing out the possible answers, to me the number is 8 (11 teams are worse-off but 3 of those teams will get Luck, RG3, and Flynn) 2) He played 1 year of college QB; that isn't like "most QBs coming out" nor is it even like very many. It's the experiential (not chronological) equivalent of a freshman coming out, who has now completed 3 more seasons at the pro level, instead of the college level. He was unusually inexperienced to come out and become a starting QB. Thats not what you said, though. You claimed that he came out after his freshman year and that he was "only now at the age that most NFL quarterbacks get drafted in the first place", both statements are untrue and even if you clumsily meant the first statement to mean he only started one full year in college, his current age of 25 is 3-4 years older than the age at which most are drafted. He was "unusually inexperienced" to start his first year in the NFL, but not at all unusually old. 3) yes, the team made it to the AFC finals two years based on defense and a running game, but those folks who actually watched him play instead of barking at him from behind beer glasses, saw him play pretty well in those post-seasons. And for better or worse, QBs lead their teams. And his leadership qualities are some of his strongest attributes, so dismissing them utterly is predictable but unpersuasive. He might have played well enough in those post-seasons (excepting the SD game that was one despite him) You want to talk leadership? I think Thomas Jones was the ackowledged (even by Sanchez himself) leader of that first AFC championship team, and I doubt Sanchez was last year's leader either. And this year they were led to 8-8 by whoever did the leading and had a star player quitting on the team in the last game. Not such great leadership going on. If you dont want to blame Sanchez for the offense's shitty leaderless crap this year thats fine, but then you cant credit him for past leadership successes either. 4) the number of deep balls he threw this year is ENTIRELY about the OC and the play-calling and says NOTHING about his arm strength. He doesn't have a cannon, but a blind drunk can still see he has plenty of arm. More than Montana ever had, and enough to be a successful pro QB. Yes, inaccuracy is always going to be a problem for him, but every year his % has gone up, his TDs have gone up, his INTs have gone down. And I don't think his improvement has leveled off. You do, apparently. OK. Time will tell. No, its not the playcalling. I watched him look downfield and be unwilling to throw and check down...particularly on 3rd down and long. he also flat out missed receivers when he did throw down field, potentially costing him trust (and rightfully so) such that less calls were made to throw, but he still had tewrrible numbers when trying it. you say his completion % and TDs went up while INTs went down. But i see his Yards per catch and yards per attempt number falling, proof that he cant throw down field and is actually getting worse at moving the ball. and the INTS have gone UP by 5 (13 to 18) from last year, so i dont know where you got that from. he's also managed to fumble the ball 10 times a year (29 in 3 years)... thats pretty bad (7th 5th and 6th most in the NFL in the 3 years) I just dont see improvement.

metirish Jan 03 2012 12:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

What do you guys think about this article? Jets need to do more than not name captains January 2, 2012 9:46 PM By BOB GLAUBER bob.glauber@newsday.com FLORHAM PARK, N.J. There are months of big decisions ahead for the Jets, but Rex Ryan didn't need 24 hours to figure out one thing he'll do differently in an effort to prevent the sort of collapse that left the Jets at 8-8 and on the outside looking in at the NFL playoffs. A day after Ryan watched his team fizzle in a 19-17 loss to the Dolphins, he decided to ditch the idea of team captains. Admitting he didn't have his finger on the pulse of his team and realizing that one of his captains, Santonio Holmes, had become a divisive figure whose self-centered shenanigans helped blow apart team chemistry, Ryan will go back to the approach he took in his first two years with the team. No captains. "The issue right now is building this football team and getting it back to where you're playing against 53 of us," Ryan said Monday at his wrap-up news conference. "That's taking away the individual, but what makes us strong is that football team. I don't think we were as close as we were in the past." Ryan believed that making Holmes a team captain shortly after he was signed to a five-year, $45-million contract would prompt him to become a better leader. Instead, Holmes was at the center of a problem that festered most of the season and exploded in Sunday's finale. Holmes was benched by offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer because he'd gotten into a shouting match in the huddle. Ryan should have issued a public rebuke to Holmes but chose not to Monday, instead handling his petulant receiver with kid gloves and saying he simply "made a mistake." Sorry, Rex. This has been a pattern with one of your best players, not just a mistake. Rather than simply remove the captaincy from Holmes and appoint another more reliable leader, Ryan decided to do away with the idea of captains altogether. I can understand his desire to have better team chemistry, but eliminating captains alone doesn't strengthen unity. Choosing the right ones does, and Rex chose wrong with Holmes. Very wrong. Ryan also conceded he didn't have the right feel for this team the way he did the previous two years. "Normally I'm a guy that has the pulse of his team," Ryan said. "I don't think I had the pulse of our team the way I've done in the past. When I met with players [Monday], I think that became clear to me." But Ryan's concerns about chemistry shouldn't mask other problems that contributed to an 8-8 season. There are many issues that need fixing: Mark Sanchez took a major step back. Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum say he'll be back as the starter, but why not bring in a veteran such as Kyle Orton to compete with him, and replace him if necessary? Right tackle Wayne Hunter is a serious liability. He contributed to Sanchez's getting sacked 39 times this season. Ryan said he's retaining offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who is a candidate for the head-coaching job in Jacksonville. If he returns, he will deal with an offense that regressed significantly on his watch in 2011. The feeling here is that line coach Bill Callahan, a veteran play-caller, should be elevated. Plaxico Burress wasn't the consistent deep threat the Jets had hoped for, and they'll need to bring in another veteran or draft a receiver in April. Holmes is coming back, according to the Jets, but he needs a serious attitude adjustment. If he continues to pout, he needs to be disciplined -- or traded. Linebacker Bart Scott is likely on the way out. And the Jets need help with the pass rush. Shonn Greene had his first 1,000-yard season, but the Jets need to see if there's a better alternative in the draft or the free-agent market. And the Jets need an upgrade at safety, especially if Jim Leonhard can't get back to form after a second straight season-ending injury. Eric Smith was a huge liability in pass coverage. Throw in the chemistry issues, and there is a long way to go for this team to be in position to back up Ryan's incessant Super Bowl predictions. He said after the Miami loss that he believes "we'll win the Super Bowl and will believe it for th e next 15 years." But with all the problems facing his team, Ryan's words are starting to ring hollow. User rating:4(1)Click to rate

DocTee Jan 03 2012 12:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

I think Rex should go. Those results with that talent is unacceptable. Jeff Fisher is one good choice-- and a lot cheaper, I bet, than Cowher or Gruden (though a recent New Yorker piece claims he is very happy on MNF and not inclined to leave the booth).

Nymr83 Jan 03 2012 02:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

DocTee wrote: I think Rex should go. Those results with that talent is unacceptable. Jeff Fisher is one good choice-- and a lot cheaper, I bet, than Cowher or Gruden (though a recent New Yorker piece claims he is very happy on MNF and not inclined to leave the booth). I totally disagree. The Jets have played 6 playoff games in 3 season of Ryan and have yet to finish under .500. I don't think he had all the talent you think he did. The Jets were weaker on the O-line than last year or the year before and without getting stronger anywhere else on offense. As far as players... I've already shared my feelings on Sanchez. Mangold, Ferguson, and Moore are amazing. Slausson is fine at LG, Hunter was a great depth player but they need a starting RT and one more guy for line depth. Can we call Ducasse a bust yet? Keller is fine, if they're sticking with Sanchez I'd like to see another TE who can both block and catch because that would benefit the run game in two tight end sets, which the jets could use more of with noodle-arm. I like what Burress brought to the team in the redzone and I'd bring him back, he has a new found maturity and plays the right way. (Don't underestimate the run-blocking he brings either), I assume they're stuck with Holmes so not really worth discussing him. A better 3rd option would be nice unless Kerley really develops fast. Greene is a decent player and I think his passblocking has gotten better (he's still no tomlinson) but he is a between the tackles runner who had STONEHANDS... I'd like to see someone who can reliably catch passes out of the backfield and Tomlinson may not return. On defense the young d-line is fine, Harris is the man, Pace is ok, and Westerman/Maybin are excellent backups/roleplayers. Scott needs to go. He's old and can't cover well, he's really only a run stopper at this point. Revis and Cro are amazing, I get mad at Wilson a lot but do many teams really have a better 3rd corner? On defense I'd say the needs are an OLB pass-rusher to replace the injured Bryan Thomas' spot (and put Wetserman/Maybin in reserve where they belong) and a safety who can man-up on tough pass-catching tight ends, who burned the Jets a lot this year. If Leonard is healthy it should be him and a new guy back there with one of Smith/Pool gone. I'd also replace Folk if possible, I think he was towards the bottom of the league on kickoff length and the field position game is big for this team

DocTee Jan 03 2012 03:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Admittedly I know little of the Jets as I am 3000 miles removed, but I think your post makes my point: you refer to three-fifths of the OL as "amazing" and are content (it seems) with the TE, RB and one half (at least) of the WR corps. On D, a "fine D line" and two amazing corners...sounds like the only place you're truly unhappy with is the kicking game. Given that, Rex should've gotten more from this team, it seems. FWIW, I'm a Giants fan, and during the long swoon this season, I thought Coughlin's welcome had worn out-- and barring a deep playoff run, I still do.

Nymr83 Jan 03 2012 04:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Two points: -You generally summed up my feelings well but left one thing out: I was NOT AT ALL satisfied with the Quarterback, in terms of his overall production OR his development from last year. The QB is damn important in football and only by being the very best at all other aspects of the game (see Jets 2 years ago, 49ers this year) can you do well with a poor QB. -the jets got blown out of a few games, but 8-8 is usually a few bounces away from 10-6, that's just how the league works. I don't believe in firing coaches for going 8-8 (or even 6-10) when they have a 4 playoff wins in the previous 2 seasons. Pobodies Nerfect, as the magnet on my friend's refrigerator says. Look at how the Giants have finished every year since the Superbowl, with Giant (pun intended) collapses! Coughlin was safe though as he was riding the wave of past success. Ryan sshould be safe at least one more year off what he has accomplished to date. The coordinators, on the other hand, should be judged on the overall quality of their units, and the Jets offense was absolutely putrid. I want Schotteheimer gone.

Fman99 Jan 03 2012 08:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Nymr83 wrote: The coordinators, on the other hand, should be judged on the overall quality of their units, and the Jets offense was absolutely putrid. I want Schotteheimer gone. Yep.

Ashie62 Jan 03 2012 08:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

DocTee wrote: Admittedly I know little of the Jets as I am 3000 miles removed, but I think your post makes my point: you refer to three-fifths of the OL as "amazing" and are content (it seems) with the TE, RB and one half (at least) of the WR corps. On D, a "fine D line" and two amazing corners...sounds like the only place you're truly unhappy with is the kicking game. Given that, Rex should've gotten more from this team, it seems. FWIW, I'm a Giants fan, and during the long swoon this season, I thought Coughlin's welcome had worn out-- and barring a deep playoff run, I still do. Are you a Giant fan or an air conditioner?

DocTee Jan 04 2012 09:19 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Most think I am full of HOT air, so not an AC.

metirish Jan 04 2012 09:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Ashie62 wrote: Admittedly I know little of the Jets as I am 3000 miles removed, but I think your post makes my point: you refer to three-fifths of the OL as "amazing" and are content (it seems) with the TE, RB and one half (at least) of the WR corps. On D, a "fine D line" and two amazing corners...sounds like the only place you're truly unhappy with is the kicking game. Given that, Rex should've gotten more from this team, it seems. FWIW, I'm a Giants fan, and during the long swoon this season, I thought Coughlin's welcome had worn out-- and barring a deep playoff run, I still do. Are you a Giant fan or an air conditioner? dying

metirish Jan 05 2012 09:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Bam! Rookie Greg McElroy rips Jets' corrupt mindset Greg McElroy had a unique perspective, watching things unravel around the Jets while rehabbing a dislocated right thumb that ended his season in September. "It's definitely not a fun place to be, I can assure you," the rookie quarterback said Wednesday on a Birmingham, Ala., radio station "It's the first time I've ever been around extremely selfish individuals, but I think that's maybe the nature of the NFL. But there were people within our locker room that didn't care if we won or lost, as long as they had their good [individual] games, and that's the disappointing thing." The Jets' 8-8 season flamed out in Sunday's season-ending loss to the Dolphins, when wide receiver Santonio Holmes was pulled off the field in the closing minutes by offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer in part because teammates believed Holmes had quit and didn't like his body language. McElroy was hurt in the Sept. 1 preseason finale against the Eagles and went on injured reserve. Although he sat out the season, he was around the facility and at practices and games. "It's going to take a lot to come together next year," he said, "and I think the fact that we struggled this year really led to a corrupt mind-set within the locker room. But I think we are going to regroup and I know we'll be a better team because of the trials and tribulations this year." General manager Mike Tannenbaum, speaking to Mike Francesa on WFAN Wednesday, once again said the Jets should have done more to address the chemistry problems. But he disputed McElroy's description of the locker room. "We knew there were issues during the season and we didn't get it done," Tannenbaum said. "We thought we addressed some of them, but we didn't do a good enough job and that manifested itself in the huddle this past Sunday. We have to do a better job, Santonio has to do a better job. And we will. He added: "But I don't think we have a corrupt locker room." However, McElroy, who won the 2010 national championship at Alabama under Nick Saban, believes the me-first approach of some players cost the Jets a legitimate shot at the Lombardi Trophy. "Quite frankly, if you go down the roster, there's no reason we shouldn't have made a Super Bowl run," McElroy said. "The talent top to bottom is pretty remarkable and that's the disappointing thing . . . It doesn't matter how much talent you have, if you don't come together as a group and figure things out and withstand the difficulties of the season, you are never going to amount to anything. "Coach Saban preached that over and over again, and I think this is probably the first time it's ever applied, because we had people that refused to buy in, and I don't know if those people are going to be here next year." Notes & quotes: Tannenbaum on Mark Sanchez: "His rate of growth isn't where it needs to be, but I think the trajectory of his career after three years is . . . Do I think he's going to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Drew Brees? Obviously, that would be hard to say as of today. But I do think we can win a lot of games with Mark as our quarterback." . . . CBS studio analyst and former Jets QB Boomer Esiason said of Sanchez on Boston's WEEI: "If you watched Mark Sanchez the last month of the season, he was like a Chihuahua standing on 36th Street entering the Midtown Tunnel, eyes bigger than you know what, and just so shaky." User rating:4(4)Click to rate

Ceetar Jan 05 2012 09:40 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Clearly if Rex Ryan hadn't talked so much, they would've won those games.

Ashie62 Jan 05 2012 12:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

All will calm down in a few months.

MFS62 Jan 05 2012 09:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Let's not shoot the messsenger here. McElroy is smart. A Rhodes Schollarship entrant. Wunderlich wishes he named his test after him. And Tanny has said he has talked to him (and others) in detail about what went on there. The Jets locker room was supposedly a festering sore all season. It finally erupted and spewed its poison in front of our eyes in the last game with the benching of Holmes. I hope Tanny takes action on what he has heard. Later

Nymr83 Jan 10 2012 10:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Schotteheimer gone! allegedly of his own volition, statement released by team 11pm tonight. reminds you of the Mets midnight firings on that road trip.

TransMonk Jan 11 2012 07:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Maybe his dad has the inside track on the Tampa Bay job and he wants to go coach with the old man.

TransMonk Jan 11 2012 08:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... t-sanchez/ “Come on. That’s a no-brainer,” one Jets source told Mehta. “If you have a chance to get a healthy 36-year-old Peyton Manning and you don’t do it, then you’re stupid. If I could get a healthy 36-year-old Peyton Manning, then, hell yeah, I would trade Sanchez.” At a minimum, the feeling is that Sanchez needs to be pushed harder from within. “We have to bring in another quarterback that will make him work at practice,” one player told Mehta. “He’s lazy and content because he knows he’s not going to be benched.”

metirish Jan 11 2012 08:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

And Manning is healthy?

TransMonk Jan 11 2012 09:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Yet to be determined.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2012 10:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

"Lazy." "Content." What a brave, wonderful way to conduct your business, guys.

Nymr83 Jan 11 2012 12:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Tony Sparano is the offensive coordinator. Not really a bold statement to say you'd want a healty Peyton, but nobody is going to know that he'll be healthy until he plays and even then he may not stay healty for long. The lazyness stuff is damning though, or at least it would be with a legit source. People were criticizing McElroy for speaking up, but the real criticism should be ddirected at whoever is ANONYMOUSLY calling their teammate out in the papers. Real low.

Fman99 Jan 11 2012 07:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Enough. It's over, already. Spent the entire SYR game having to read, again and again on ESPN's fucking insipid ticker, all of the Sanchez quotes. ENOUGH.

Kong76 Jan 11 2012 07:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Mangold said the unnamed quotes are weak and bullshit. (a) I trust him more than the press any day. Still, Sanchez ... don't suck next year!! (a) I believe he said disconcerting but weak and bullshit sounds better!

G-Fafif Jan 11 2012 08:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

Sources say Sanchez and Brunell were feasting on fried chicken and beer when the defense was on the field.

Kong76 Jan 12 2012 07:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

It was pretty funny when he was eating a hot dog on the bench and got caught on camera. Sparano, eeeek, doesn't inspire much joy for me.

Frayed Knot Jan 12 2012 08:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! 2011-12 Season thread

"[Tony] Sparano, eeeek, doesn't inspire much joy for me." Yeah, but are you gonna tell him that?