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IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 07:32 AM

Get your misery early today. Mets will have several new and/or re-cycled faces on the team by then (at least we hope they will) so that's something to look forward to ... I guess. Odds on today's DL assignee will be posted later.

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 07:34 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Frayed Knot wrote: Get your misery early today. Mets will have several new and/or re-cycled faces on the team by then (at least we hope they will) so that's something to look forward to ... I guess. Odds on today's DL assignee will be posted later. day game means I'll be at work and can't have a beer while watching.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 08:55 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

METS: 1. Angel Pagan (S) CF 2. Ruben Tejada (R) SS 3. David Wright (R) 3B 4. Lucas Duda (L) RF 5. Jason Bay (R) LF 6. Nick Evans (R) 1B 7. Josh Thole (L) C 8. Justin Turner (R) 2B 9. Mike Pelfrey (R) P MFP: 1. Shane Victorino (S) CF 2. Placido Polanco (R) 3B 3. Chase Utley (L) 2B 4. Ryan Howard (L) 1B 5. Hunter Pence (R) RF 6. John Mayberry (R) LF 7. Carlos Ruiz (R) C 8. Wilson Valdez (R) SS 9. Kyle Kendrick (R) P

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 08:57 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

I'm almost numb to the pain of this awful stretch but the MFP fan in the next office just reminded me that it's a day game and asked if I'm feeling bad about how the Mets are playing. So how about winning one so I can shut her up.

Gwreck Aug 24 2011 09:36 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Niese to DL, Nickeas up. Rubin reports that Hairston isn't on the DL yet. What, they can't be bothered?

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 09:41 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Gwreck wrote: Niese to DL, Nickeas up. Rubin reports that Hairston isn't on the DL yet. What, they can't be bothered? Bay, Pagan, Duda should be the outfield everyday anyway. Might as well actaully make sure they need to DL him.

Gwreck Aug 24 2011 09:46 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

You missed the point on several levels: 1. Playing shorthanded is stupid 2. Paulino has a toe problem and may also be hurt 3. We need bullpen help desperately etc

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 10:01 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Gwreck wrote: You missed the point on several levels: 1. Playing shorthanded is stupid 2. Paulino has a toe problem and may also be hurt 3. We need bullpen help desperately etc Not really. Every team plays shorthanded pretty frequently. That's why Nickeas was added. We didn't lose a reliever, and presumably wouldn't add one for Hairston.

Ashie62 Aug 24 2011 10:47 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Watch it Pelfrey..

metirish Aug 24 2011 11:11 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Ceetar wrote: Every team plays shorthanded pretty frequently. which really means nothing here, Collins is pretty sure his team needs bullpen help.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 11:16 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Gary: "Pagan didn't read it well." Surprise!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2011 11:17 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Doodoo up with the bases loaded RBI force play

attgig Aug 24 2011 11:18 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

at least we have a lead...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 11:18 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

First and second, and Wright singles... but everybody moves up just one base, including lead runner/presumed fast guy AP. "Pagan can't be blamed for that," says Gary. RBI FC for YayRadley.

attgig Aug 24 2011 11:20 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

EVANS!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2011 11:21 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

NICK EVANS 3 run HOMA

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 11:21 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

And Bay continues to suck. A weak flyball to left or a slow roller to SS--he's good at those but not ... forget it: EVANS!

attgig Aug 24 2011 11:21 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: First and second, and Wright singles... but everybody moves up just one base, including lead runner/presumed fast guy AP. "Pagan can't be blamed for that," says Gary. RBI FC for YayRadley. the phillies announcer said the same thing.... i'm not buying it

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 11:21 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Kindly go cry yourselves dehydrated, Philadelphia camp kids.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 11:23 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Kindly go cry yourselves dehydrated, Philadelphia camp kids. Excellent! Put that on a poster.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 11:29 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Duda plays a Polanco single like he's using a three-pound ham for his glove. Which is to say, "Duda plays right field today." Then a Howard walk. Make like Mets! Make like Mets!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 11:33 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Whew. Thanks be for VeryPoorMan'sVlad.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 11:54 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Two-out hangers? THERE's the Pelf I know.

Ashie62 Aug 24 2011 11:56 AM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

And Bay continues to suck. A weak flyball to left or a slow roller to SS--he's good at those but not ... forget it: EVANS! Yes, I do suck.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 12:03 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

I couldn't dislike Pelfrey anymore than I do. The MFP fan next door just materialized. Not a peep out of her at 4-0 but as soon as double-flap got his hit, she came by.

attgig Aug 24 2011 12:11 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

bmfc1 wrote: I couldn't dislike Pelfrey anymore than I do. The MFP fan next door just materialized. Not a peep out of her at 4-0 but as soon as double-flap got his hit, she came by. you may not, but I think I do...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 12:14 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

bmfc1 wrote: I couldn't dislike Pelfrey anymore than I do. The MFP fan next door just materialized. Not a peep out of her at 4-0 but as soon as double-flap got his hit, she came by. Does she have children? I hope they were watching right then.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 12:24 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

I made a crack about Victorino. She couldn't understand why Mets fans dislike him. She doesn't have any MFP-lovin' kids yet.

Gwreck Aug 24 2011 12:38 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Gameday says Duda was hit by a pitch immediately following Wright's homer. For those who are actually watching -- anything we should know, or just a pitch that got away?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2011 12:43 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Wayne Hagin didn't make much of it, then again what he sees and says are rarely connected.

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 12:44 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Gwreck wrote: Gameday says Duda was hit by a pitch immediately following Wright's homer. For those who are actually watching -- anything we should know, or just a pitch that got away? Howie/Wayne didn't mention it. Kendrick's been a bit wild too. Possible though.

metirish Aug 24 2011 12:48 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Wayne Hagin didn't make much of it, then again what he sees and says are rarely connected. poor Wayne , he was probably fawning over Victorino.

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 12:53 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Wayne noting Evans has hit for the cycle in his last four AB (he must be reading my Twitter)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 01:03 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Gwreck wrote: Gameday says Duda was hit by a pitch immediately following Wright's homer. For those who are actually watching -- anything we should know, or just a pitch that got away? Not much there. Pitch was just in, off the plate. Meanwhile, Michael Schwimmer walks The One With The $66 Million Dollar Albatross and gives up a double in the RCF gap to The One Who Was Invisible To Jerry Manuel. The gapper? It was hit... on a break.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 01:19 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

At the rate this game is going it'll probably run into tomorrow's off-day. The stupid thing about this one from the Pelfrey viewpoint is that he's in constant trouble without getting hit all that hard. I think every Philly hit has been a single* and most of those have been nothing more than grounders that found a hole (some hard, others not so much) which just as easily could have been outs or even DPs. But it's the walks, the 3-2 counts, the bushel of fouls, his inability to put hitters to bed, and the S-L-O-W pace he's working at that's killing him. * Utley had a double which Pagan caught then dropped

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 01:23 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Ceetar wrote: Wayne noting Evans has hit for the cycle in his last four AB (he must be reading my Twitter) Ceetar is #1! http://twitsetters.com/

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 01:26 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

bmfc1 wrote: Wayne noting Evans has hit for the cycle in his last four AB (he must be reading my Twitter) Ceetar is #1! http://twitsetters.com/ yeah, I saw that. Not sure why exactly I get credit with setting that trend.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 01:44 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin Unless 1,000 #Phillies fans on Twitter conspiring to make something up, Gary Matthews Sr. on home telecast called #Mets "bunch of crybabies"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 01:46 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Probably referring to Pelfrey's bitching about Polanco last inning (which WAS a little pointless). That said, he calls games for a team that bitched about Jose Reyes clapping, so... On the other hand, maybe we should listen to the guy about "what it takes to win," what with all those rings he's got.

TransMonk Aug 24 2011 01:57 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern.

metirish Aug 24 2011 02:02 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team.

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 02:07 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 02:13 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good. If Duda were faster and darker and a righty and threw harder, he'd be Roberto Clemente.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2011 02:15 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

For the 2d time in the game, Bay can't get a runner in from 3d with less than 2 outs.

Ceetar Aug 24 2011 02:16 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good. If Duda were faster and darker and a righty and threw harder, he'd be Roberto Clemente. I think Pagan not overthrowing every ball he fields is more likely than that one.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 02:21 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Another half-inning that wouldn't have beens scoreless if Jason Bay were still alive.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 02:23 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good. If Duda were faster and darker and a righty and threw harder, he'd be Roberto Clemente. I think Pagan not overthrowing every ball he fields is more likely than that one. It's a LITTLE more than the throws. It's the baserunning, it's the batting approach, it's the routes to the ball... over the better part of this year, he appears to have regressed to what his detractors said about him prior to last year.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 24 2011 02:25 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

How has Jason Pridie and his .225 stick remained the team for almost the entire season? Is he strictly a defensive replacement, or is the Herd that thin on potential outfielders? Am I missing something?

TransMonk Aug 24 2011 02:27 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's a LITTLE more than the throws. It's the baserunning, it's the batting approach, it's the routes to the ball... over the better part of this year, he appears to have regressed to what his detractors said about him prior to last year. This. If Pagan is going to bat .260 with limited power, then he needs to have outstanding defensive and baserunning skills, which he doesn't.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 02:29 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 24 2011 02:33 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How has Jason Pridie and his .225 stick remained the team for almost the entire season? He's remained upright.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 02:33 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Turner starts what was probably (hopefully) the game-winning GiDP - bailing out Duda's ass. Or, to put it another way, if that ball gets through I think the odds of the Mets winning this game sink below 50/50

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 02:42 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Oh good Bobby, let's start our first official save opp with a four pitch walk. It's not like Howard & Pence are due up or anything ... oh wait.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2011 02:46 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Nice recovery, so far. I'd be okay if he put one in Mayberry's ear-- tying run be damned-- just for the hell of it.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2011 02:50 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Walking Mayberry there and letting him hit a HR is essentially the same thing. but he gets Ruiz on the first pitch as I'm typing and our (sort of) long (not really) national nightmare is over.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2011 02:51 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Bobby Pee puts it in the books.

TransMonk Aug 24 2011 03:03 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Ceetar wrote: You're overlooking that Pagan's poor start was mainly bad luck and that he's almost got his numbers back up to career norms anyway. He played a fine outfield last year, so it's not like it's beyond him. So really it's about some of the insane defensive moves he's made and how likely he is to at least significantly cut back on them. I'm not overlooking anything. How can you tell the difference between bad luck and poor preparation and execution? I'm looking at the whole of his Mets career as well as the whole of this season. He played well in 2010, not so well in 2009 and this season. If we have to start someone who hits as mundanely as he does, that stater should play exemplary defense. Additionally, any speed that he possesses is wiped out by the incorrect way he runs the bases. His mistake yesterday (breaking for home with less than two outs and nobody behind him on an infield grounder) was inexecuable for someone who makes millions of dollars a year playing a game. I play rec-league softball and I wouldn't make that mistake.

smg58 Aug 24 2011 05:22 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

Evans has raised his OPS from .688 to .914 in two days. Hairston's injury might be a blessing in disguise. Somehow, some way, somebody other than Jason Bay needs to be our starting leftfielder next year.

Ashie62 Aug 24 2011 05:24 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

smg58 wrote: Evans has raised his OPS from .688 to .914 in two days. Hairston's injury might be a blessing in disguise. Somehow, some way, somebody other than Jason Bay needs to be our starting leftfielder next year. How about you?

metirish Aug 24 2011 05:37 PM Re: IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

smg58 wrote: Evans has raised his OPS from .688 to .914 in two days. Hairston's injury might be a blessing in disguise. Somehow, some way, somebody other than Jason Bay needs to be our starting leftfielder next year. Bay is going to have a wonderful September and carry it over to ST, just you wait and see.